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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: fondpondforever on May 02, 2016, 12:48:45 AM
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What is the best best Accelerator for Amiga 4000T?
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for either 68k or PPC my moneys on the Cyberstorm MKIII
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ok thanks.
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As an A4000T owner with a CSPPC I am partial to that, but if you only plan to use 68k stuff and dont care about the PPC side of things you can look for a CS MKIII. Both are identical in terms of 68k operation.
If you can find the Quickpack 060 board that came in the last of the 4000T machines they produced I would grab one for sure over a MKIII.
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ok thanks.
Can you get me one while you're at it?
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The Cyberstorm Mk 1 actually runs faster than the Mk 2 from what I've heard. The benefit of the Mk 2 is that it contains a SCSI module built in and isn't modular. However the A4000T already has SCSI so the Mk1 pips the Mk2 for A4000T use. Saying that the QuickPak 4060T board is the best as it uses EDO ran and runs at 55Mhz as far as I've heard. Then the Cyberstorm Mk3 and then the Cyberstorm Mk1. If you want a PPC you are limited to the Cybertorm PPC boards but they are pricey and software/functionality of PPC classic machines is limited.
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The benefit of the Mk 2 is that it contains a SCSI module built in and isn't modular.
Incorrect, the SCSI on Mk2 is an add-on module, just like the Mk1.
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Incorrect, the SCSI on Mk2 is an add-on module, just like the Mk1.
correct, only the CSMKIII has a built in scsi3 controller
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If you can find the Quickpack 060 board that came in the last of the 4000T machines they produced I would grab one for sure over a MKIII.
Why is Quickpak better then CSMK3? Friend of mine has one and it only fits to A4000T board and nowhere else you can use it. Also SCSI is missing there (BBOAH says SCSI is ready, only controller and ROM is needed). So I dont see any advantages over the CSMK3 there (unless you are collector and you want this as rare piece of HW).
From my point of view there is no better card then Cyberstorm MK3 / PPC (depends if you want to use PPC or pure 68k). Tower is pretty spacious so there is no problem with overheating memory controller and other chips on the card.
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Why is Quickpak better then CSMK3?
As has already been pointed out in this thread, because it supports EDO memory (if you care about that sort of thing), and it's faster by default, 56MHz vs 50MHz.
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/eagle060
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/cyberstorm3
Some people care more about the other features of the CSMK3, in which case that board is better for them.
(http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/cyberstorm3)
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As has already been pointed out in this thread, because it supports EDO memory (if you care about that sort of thing), and it's faster by default, 56MHz vs 50MHz...
CSMKIII 060 can be easily boosted to 75 or 80Mhz just by switching the crystal on the MB & no mines not for sale ;-)
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CSMKIII 060 can be easily boosted to 75 or 80Mhz just by switching the crystal on the MB & no mines not for sale ;-)
Hmm, If it's that easy and safe I'll push mine to 75Mhz, don't want to push it too hard.
Chris
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The best and most cost effective accelerator is a PC running Amiga Forever ;)
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The best and most cost effective accelerator is a PC running Amiga Forever ;)
cough cough where exactly in Melbourne, Australia do you live as a few of us would like to visit with some wood torches for such sacrilege:hammer::smack::laughing:
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From my point of view there is no better card then Cyberstorm MK3 / PPC (depends if you want to use PPC or pure 68k). Tower is pretty spacious so there is no problem with overheating memory controller and other chips on the card.
The biggest advantage of CS MKIII or PPC is the 64bit access to the Fastram.....
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Hmm, If it's that easy and safe I'll push mine to 75Mhz, don't want to push it too hard.
Chris
make sure you have Rev6 060 if you want to go to 75-80 else I was running a Rev1 for years at 66 with no issues at all.
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make sure you have Rev6 060 if you want to go to 75-80 else I was running a Rev1 for years at 66 with no issues at all.
Believe it or not but the phase 5 accelerators came with better software support, including CyberPatcher to patch missing 060 functions, and in general from what I found (I've owned all of them) has a slightly higher compatibility level than the Quikpak 060 - for example, with Shapeshifter the phase 5 board works better.
The Quikpak 060 is a good board, it came in two versions, a tower version and a desktop version. The desktop version also had optional SCSI with the same connector as the phase-5 CS PPC or MK-3. They are very rare though, especially the ones with SCSI. The version I owned unfortunately had no SCSI, but I know of one user who did have SCSI on his desktop Quikpak 060 board. And yes, the desktop Quikpak 060 board (the "XP" version) does work in the A4000T, and actually shipped in later Quikpak A4000T's as the default 060 card.
Overall you can't go wrong with either, but all things being equal I'd opt for a MK-3 or CS PPC. You can also add a graphics card directly to a MK-3 or CS PPC (The CybervisionPPC) or you can add the GREX PCI expansion board, which is the fastest PCI solution for classics by far - because of the direct connection to the MK-3 or CS PPC.
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I will ask my friend to make Syspeed module and compare the memory performance between his Quickpak and my CSPPC(50MHz) and CSMK3(66MHz). Anyway as there was mentioned overall latest Cyberstorms are nice compact cards, have 64 bit memory access, fastest SCSI ever made on Amiga a good overclocking possibilities. Quickpak is nice a valuable rarity, but I prefer Cyberstorms as I use Amigas everyday.
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I will ask my friend to make Syspeed module and compare the memory performance between his Quickpak and my CSPPC(50MHz) and CSMK3(66MHz). Anyway as there was mentioned overall latest Cyberstorms are nice compact cards, have 64 bit memory access, fastest SCSI ever made on Amiga a good overclocking possibilities. Quickpak is nice a valuable rarity, but I prefer Cyberstorms as I use Amigas everyday.
I have some information here on issues with the Quikpak 060 card and some comparisons using FPM ram vs. EDO ram. EDO can make a big difference.
http://www.hd-zone.com/2011/05/quikpak-68060-information/
Darren
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Believe it or not but the phase 5 accelerators came with better software support, including CyberPatcher to patch missing 060 functions.
For other cards you had Oxypatcher and I ended up using it on my Blizzard 1260 instead of Cyberpatcher.
If you use HSMathLibs in conjunction with either patcher it should boost things a bit more.
http://www.hsmathlibs.de/index_e.html
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For other cards you had Oxypatcher and I ended up using it on my Blizzard 1260 instead of Cyberpatcher.
If you use HSMathLibs in conjunction with either patcher it should boost things a bit more.
http://www.hsmathlibs.de/index_e.html
Yes that is true. I'm not sure you can still get Oxypatcher though? I had mentioned Oxypatcher on my website in the link in my previous post.
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Thor's MMULib solution is number one. http://aminet.net/util/libs/MMULib.lha
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I will ask my friend to make Syspeed module and compare the memory performance between his Quickpak and my CSPPC(50MHz) and CSMK3(66MHz).
Was never a big fan of this type of comparison since results can vary so widely depending on what patches you both have installed, what versions of libraries, how optimized your systems are, etc. Better than nothing though, I suppose! ;)