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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: fondpondforever on May 02, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
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Can the Amiga CD32 Connect to the internet? What software do you need to make it work.
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The CD32 has a serial port that is merged with the keyboard port, so you can make (or buy) a cable splitter and connect to a serial port on another machine, and then run PPP over that, using Roadshow or AmiTCP, or any of the other IP stacks. Be aware though, that the stock CD32 only has 2MB of RAM, so it is very limited what you can actually do. And it will be very slow :)
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Ok thanks for that information. Would it run faster if you connected an SX-32 expansion board to it?
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Can the Amiga CD32 Connect to the internet? What software do you need to make it work.
The Plipbox should work providing you can afford one of those SX type expansion units to give you the parallel port (I think there's one on eBay atm for £1000).
http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/plipbox/ (http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/plipbox/)
But...Why? It's supposed to be a games console! Leave it be! Saying that, I've always wanted an 030 CD32 with a hard disk in a tower... I'll just contradict myself. These expansions are rediculously expensive though. Not sure the demand is there either.
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Thanks again for that. Will a Mouse and Keyboard connect to a CD32?
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Thanks again for that. Will a Mouse and Keyboard connect to a CD32?
Yes. An Amiga keyboard in the previously mentioned combined serial and keyboard port, and mouse in one of the joystick ports, just like on a regular Amiga.
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Ok thanks for that information. Would it run faster if you connected an SX-32 expansion board to it?
Yes, the SX32 also comes with a faster CPU (68EC030@40MHz or full 68030@50MHz, and optionally also an 68882 FPU), and up to 64MB of RAM, so it is a huge boost over a plain CD32.
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Wow, that's pretty cool. I wonder if it would be possible to upgrade 'Workbench 3.0 for CD32' into 'Classic Amiga OS4.1 Final Edition'? I know the SX32 PRO expansion accelerates a CD32 as well as turning it into a GUI enviroment. Maybe the SX32 Pro is the equivalent of a Blizzard PPC for this console. Now i'm getting very excited. If I can run OS4.1 Final Edition on a CD32, then I don't need to buy a new computer as I can use this modern software such as word processing, digital art creation and an an up to date internet application to do all of my work on this piece of magic. :banana:
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Wow, that's pretty cool. I wonder if it would be possible to upgrade 'Workbench 3.0 for CD32' into 'Classic Amiga OS4.1 Final Edition'? I know the SX32 PRO expansion accelerates a CD32 as well as turning it into a GUI enviroment. Maybe the SX32 Pro is the equivalent of a Blizzard PPC for this console. Now i'm getting very excited. If I can run OS4.1 Final Edition on a CD32, then I don't need to buy a new computer as I can use this modern software such as word processing, digital art creation and an an up to date internet application to do all of my work on this piece of magic. :banana:
Not possible. OS4 requires a BlizzardPPC or a CyberstormPPC accelerator, neither of which can be used with a CD32.
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SX32 Pro is equivalent to for example Blizzard-1230 or ACA1230 card, nowhere near 040/060/PPC cards. I can confirm that CD32 with SX32 Pro runs OS3.9 just fine.
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You would think if it runs OS3.9, it would run OS4.1.
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You would think if it runs OS3.9, it would run OS4.1.
No, one wouldn't think that, if they'd read any of the comments that came before this one or spent 30 seconds on google. 4.1 for Classics requires a PPC processor. There are no PPC processor boards available for CD32. Ergo, CD32 can't run 4.1.
http://blog.hyperion-entertainment.biz/?p=138
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Wow, me think fondpondforever has limitless time and money on his hands to start thinking about sourcing and modding CD1200 prototypes and reverse engineering rare SX32-Pro expansions into PPC accelerators! That would have been insane for DCE to attempt back in 1997/98 never mind by an eccentric (possibly millionaire) Amigan in 2016 who thinks AmigaOS 4.1FE has even a chance of running without a PPC processor!
I like your optimism but I can't help think you'd be happier messing around with a A-EON AmigaOne X5000 than rewiring a rare and valuable Amiga Classic museum pieces to get the same functionality. P.S. An internet enabled machine running AGA screenmodes isn't going to be much fun or very fast even if it has a 030 accelerator.
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Is fondpodforever starting an Amiga museum? That's the only reason I can see that he's sourcing a classic Amiga collection of these ultra-rare items.
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gotta agree, but my 040/25, egs spectrum 24/28 a3000d w 2mb chip and 16mb fast ram runs the internet at a tolerable pace, even downloading from aminet.
but this souped up CD32 i would love to see, especially in a 24kt gold tower case and keyboard. i think we are all kinda intrigued right now.
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Let's just leave the CD32 as a Games Console then. ;)
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You would think if it runs OS3.9, it would run OS4.1.
I guess you are just young, and didn't follow the history as it unfolded? :)
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We're not discounting the benefit of turning a CD32 into a fully functioning 030 50Mhz CD based Amiga computer, it is quite frankly awesome as a OS3.9 machine with full CD32 compatibility and highly portable! However, it will never run OS4.x as no one is going to retrofit a CD32 with a PPC accelerator at this point in our history. What would be the point? Where is the market? The SX32 line only sold around 2,000 units from 1995-98 as far as I can remember. An awesome product but the market simply wasn't there. People ditched the CD32 to buy a Playstation and didn't think to upgrade their Amigas like I did.
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Bought the SX32 Pro to run Linux, believe it or not :)
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We're not discounting the benefit of turning a CD32 into a fully functioning 030 50Mhz CD based Amiga computer, it is quite frankly awesome as a OS3.9 machine with full CD32 compatibility and highly portable! However, it will never run OS4.x as no one is going to retrofit a CD32 with a PPC accelerator at this point in our history. What would be the point? Where is the market? The SX32 line only sold around 2,000 units from 1995-98 as far as I can remember. An awesome product but the market simply wasn't there. People ditched the CD32 to buy a Playstation and didn't think to upgrade their Amigas like I did.
Wasn't there a 68K version of OS4? :laugh1:
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Let's just leave the CD32 as a Games Console then. ;)
And why would we do that? Certainly we haven't explored all the possible options with the world's first CD-based 32-bit gaming console. After all, by basing it on the A1200 Commodore released a machine with so much latent power we would be fools not to exploit it:
- Can we upgrade the CD drive to a CD burner and attach it to another computer for burning tasks?
- Can we upgrade the CD drive to a DVD drive and play movies?
- Can we replace the CD drive with a 3.5" floppy drive to play floppy-based games?
- Can we run ShapeShifter on it and turn into a Pippin?
- Can we get AROS 68k on there and move all the screen drawing routines through the Akiko chip for a 3D user interface?
- Can we use the the DSP logic in the Akiko chip to play SACDs?
- Can we boost the CD laser so the CD32 can be turned into a cost-effective laser lithography 3D printer?
The questions are almost endless, but invariably the answer will be No to every one of them.
The CD32 is not even all that good at being a games console. About the only thing it does well is play music CDs.
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In all seriousness though, the best thing that could happen to the CD32 hardware today is that someone designs and manufactures an adapter board that converts the CD32 (male) expansion port to an A1200 trapdor (male) expansion port. That way we could use any of the existing boards in circulation. Even a Mediator board.
Also, it would be cool if when the Apollo Team is done with the A1200, A2000, A3000, and A4000 FPGA expansions they design and manufacture an FPGA expansion for the CD32. Then potentially one could load many types of cores and play NES/SNES, Master System/Mega Drive (Genesis), and games from other classic systems.
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Hi,
I've connected a CD32 with an SX-1/8 Meg Fast RAM to a Dial-Up connection using the Serial Port OK.
Using Amiga OS Ver 3.1 and Miami with the Reaction GUI and WookieChat.
Regards, Michael.
aka rockape
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In all seriousness though, the best thing that could happen to the CD32 hardware today is that someone designs and manufactures an adapter board that converts the CD32 (male) expansion port to an A1200 trapdor (male) expansion port. That way we could use any of the existing boards in circulation.
I agree with this, and it should be quite doable.
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- Can we replace the CD drive with a 3.5" floppy drive to play floppy-based games?
Don't forget, there's always this thing:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1880
Although for the love of g**, why didn't they at least spray paint them gray to match the color? :lol:
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Don't forget, there's always this thing:
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1880
Although for the love of g**, why didn't they at least spray paint them gray to match the color? :lol:
Analogic Computers still list the floppy drive. The 15 pin port on the back is an RGB and they also sell a SCART cable to connect this to a TV.
Because the board has a pass though for the RTC, you should be able to connect an alternative internal expansion if such a thing existed.
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Wasn't there a 68K version of OS4? :laugh1:
No.
I'm still hoping that eventually someone will do an FPGA accelerator for the Amiga that does PPC and then maybe they'll do a CD32 version. Maybe another 30 years or so.
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In all seriousness though, the best thing that could happen to the CD32 hardware today is that someone designs and manufactures an adapter board that converts the CD32 (male) expansion port to an A1200 trapdor (male) expansion port. That way we could use any of the existing boards in circulation. Even a Mediator board.
You'd still meed mass storage. Not all accelerators have the option of SCSI and the modules are rarer than the cards they fit. All this adds up and SCSI hardware tends to be more pricey.
Putting an SD card reader an/or IDE/SATA could be an option but if you're doing that it make more sense to add ram and maybe a CPU.
Also, it would be cool if when the Apollo Team is done with the A1200, A2000, A3000, and A4000 FPGA expansions they design and manufacture an FPGA expansion for the CD32. Then potentially one could load many types of cores and play NES/SNES, Master System/Mega Drive (Genesis), and games from other classic systems.
Wish they did a Vampire daughter board and open the specs so that other hardware makers can do carrier cards for the different Amigas. That way they just have to concentrate on making one board for all systems.
The way they are currently produced is too time consuming and restricts the number of people able to get the hardware even if it doesn't make the hardware too cheap. Kipper2K can't be expected to keep producing these boards especially if new cards are being added in the future and it will be a long time before we see A3000 CPU slot and CD32 version anytime soon, if ever.
Vampire 2 is €150 I reckon many people would be happy to pay another €100 for the power it offers so I don't understand why they don't at least sort out some sort of production run.
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Simple clockport, roadshow/subway, usb-stick for mass storage, ethernet... done. My idea is to use an ACA1221 that is tiny and comes with high speed clockport.