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Title: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 26, 2016, 04:05:27 PM
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
Thanks.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Acill on April 26, 2016, 04:11:15 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807572
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
Thanks.


Cygnus Editor also known as CED, and GoldED are by far the best I've used. I think GoldED is now known as Cubic IDE.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 26, 2016, 04:19:41 PM
Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: guest11527 on April 26, 2016, 06:05:13 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807572
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
Thanks.

Depending on your personal preference, I would either recommend GoldEd, or Cygnus Ed. I personally prefer the former, especially the Version 3 you'll get in the Aminet. Later versions somehow broke havoc with the look & feel of the Amiga GUI and hence didn't integrate that well into the system.

CED is also a nice editor, though I have to admit that I never really got used to its somehow non-canonical clipboard handling and text highlighting. I would have preferred if it would have followed the Amiga User Interface Style guide. Hence, it's not of much use here - development is GED based.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 26, 2016, 07:56:25 PM
Thanks.
Page Stream is something else I would not mind looking into using.
Final Writer is also another that I have heard was being worked on with improvements.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: guest11527 on April 26, 2016, 08:33:15 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807580
Thanks.
Page Stream is something else I would not mind looking into using.
Final Writer is also another that I have heard was being worked on with improvements.

Are you looking into a text editor for programming (that would be GED or CED), or a word processor for writing letters?

For the latter, there are a couple of old systems (WordPerfect wasn't bad, for Os 1.3), or not quite as old (WordWorth was quite ok). Then there are DPK programs that could do an entire page layout, with text flow between boxes. That's pagestream. It's more for the layout of a magazine or a newspaper than for writing a letter. For the latter, Pagestream is complete overshooting.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Acill on April 26, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
If its just letter writing you can also look for Kindwords. I  used that all through Junior High and High School! I loved it. I use final writer now for this though.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on April 26, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
Your post is confusing.  Might want to specify whether you're looking for a text editor (Ed, Cygnus Ed, etc. - used for entering code, editing your Startup-Sequence, etc.), a word processing program (KindWords, Final Writer, Amiga Writer, etc., used for general document creation), or a desktop publishing program (PageStream, etc.).  Oh well, plenty of options out there, in all cases.  Good luck!  :)
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: paolone on April 26, 2016, 10:21:32 PM
Text editor for Amiga? C1-Text/Personal Write from Cloanto. There was absolutely nothing better in that field, with one of the smartest mistake seek routine I've ever seen in 30 years of writing.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 27, 2016, 05:23:28 AM
What would you recommend for writing a book?
Could Page Stream make an online magazine?
If I down loaded a Commodore Free txt file what could one use to turn it into an Amiga Guide file?
edit:
What would be good software to write Interactive Fiction for Amiga 1000 and up?
I would like to have a split screen at top and text at bottom.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on April 27, 2016, 06:28:01 AM
Quote from: trekiej;807610
What would you recommend for writing a book?
Could Page Stream make an online magazine?

Amiga Writer, or Final Writer, or something of the like.  There's been some recent developments in that department, you might check on this thread, and those of the like:  http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=69443


AFAIK PageStream can't export HTML, so it's not going to work for making an "online magazine".  But newer versions are supposed to be able to export PDF, so it could work that way.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 28, 2016, 06:06:25 PM
Is it worth putting Amiga OS 4.1 FE on a laptop to run a Text Editor or Desktop Publishing app? I have a laptop on lay-away and it has Win 7 64 bit. It is at least a dual core.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: guest11527 on April 28, 2016, 06:48:52 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807610
What would you recommend for writing a book?
Take a PC, use emacs, write in LaTeX. The learning curve is steep, but you get a high-quality layout. For anything larger than an article, "Word" - or leave alone AmiWrite or WordWorth is not exactly suitable.

 PasTex on Amiga and an editor like ged might do, but typesetting the book will probably take too long and might be unpractical. AmiWrite and WordWorth are ok for a letter, or something up to 30-50 pages, but beyond that it will get too slow, and have stability problems. I stopped experimenting with these programs a long time ago, switched to LaTeX and never looked back.
Quote from: trekiej;807610
Could Page Stream make an online magazine?
Well, it's not exactly an html editor.
Quote from: trekiej;807610
If I down loaded a Commodore Free txt file what could one use to turn it into an Amiga Guide file?
A strange question to ask. Take a text editor and insert the links and markups. Then it becomes an AmigaGuide file, but it's not automatic. In the same sense, you can "of course" turn a text file into a web page, you "only" need to insert the html tags. Depending on what you expect as a result, this might be an easy going or an annoyance.
Quote from: trekiej;807610
What would be good software to write Interactive Fiction for Amiga 1000 and up?
I would like to have a split screen at top and text at bottom.

Nothing I would know of. There are a couple of professional development systems for the PC that you may use for free if you generate freeware. I do not know whether anyhting like that ever made it to the Amiga.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: dovegrace on April 28, 2016, 09:34:55 PM
I used Pagestream for a number of years to create "offline" magazines, and once to perpetrate a hoax.  I don't remember it having the ability to create "online" magazines.

For WYSIWIG HTML editing I used to use Metalweb, which I don't recommend unless you're stubborn, desperate, or very patient. I found it easier to use EditPad to create/edit pages manually.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 28, 2016, 09:43:18 PM
Thanks to all who replied.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: zylesea on April 28, 2016, 10:26:33 PM
Quote from: Thomas Richter;807677
Take a PC, use emacs, write in LaTeX. The learning curve is steep, but you get a high-quality layout. For anything larger than an article, "Word" - or leave alone AmiWrite or WordWorth is not exactly suitable.


I once set a book in Amigawriter for printing. Worked pretty nicely and was designed quite well. Unfortunately the program is a bit unstable. I don't use it any more, but I did quite some work with it (beside the book a few university protocols). But rule #1 save, save and save your work - it can crash any time.
If I use a word processor on AMiga these days it's Wordworth, but usually I don't do that, but use other systems for word processing (Win or OS X with OOo, Word or InDesign)

And for MS Word: I cannot understand the badmouthing of Word. Current Word is very capable for highly complex documents. Still I prefer InDesign for setting a document, but Word is definitely a very mature and powerful word processor.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: dovegrace on April 28, 2016, 10:35:01 PM
Any other Final Writer fans here (apart from myself)?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 28, 2016, 10:48:42 PM
What are the OS 4.1 F.E. hopefuls?
While I am at it, what office software is there for OS4?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Bodie on April 28, 2016, 11:44:09 PM
Quote from: Thomas Richter;807677
. I stopped experimenting with these programs a long time ago, switched to LaTeX and never looked back.  .

Would like to second this, particularly for large documents. I recently completed my dissertation in LaTeX. Although steep learning curve, it made handling of tables, graphics, equations and so forth so much easier than modern word processors, saving me a lot of frustration.

PS: Does OS4 or MorphOS have a LateX DISTRO?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: kolla on April 29, 2016, 08:37:20 AM
For writing a book, depending on what kind of book it is, you may just want something that is fast and non-intrucive to your typing, using anything beyond a fast and simple text editor can cause too much distraction. I am most comfortable using vim, but just use whatever text editor you find comfortable and don't worry about layout, just the text and the arrangement.

When you are done writing the book, you import your text into something that can take care of the layout for you. Ask your book press company what formats they accept, and pick your tools accordingly.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: kolla on April 29, 2016, 08:39:03 AM
Quote from: trekiej;807688
What are the OS 4.1 F.E. hopefuls?
While I am at it, what office software is there for OS4?


Well, there is rdesktop :laughing:
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: LiveForIt on April 29, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807688
What are the OS 4.1 F.E. hopefuls?

Lurking topic says 68K.

Quote from: trekiej;807688
While I am at it, what office software is there for OS4?

Well many of the old Programs for 680x0 that works on AmigaOS4.x
(While this program are not under active development anymore, they are not outdated, and might be OK for some things)

Word processing.

* WordWorth

Text editors.

* CED
* GoldED
* CubicED
* FrexxED

Check out the compatibility list:

http://www.intuitionbase.com/ossoftware.php


AmigaOS4.x software office program.

* Cinnamon Writer
(this is getting better and better for every version)

Cyngix programs, (Linux ports that need X windows).

* AbiWord
Modern word processing.

If you interested programming there there is few.

* CodeBench,
* Annotate.
* NoWinED

For more software look here:

http://www.amigaos.net/applications


I have been thinking about writing a UTF8 text editor, as thats lacking on AmigaOS3.x and AmigaOS4.x, many Text documents are in UTF8, like XML and HTML files and so on, so it makes sense.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Thorham on April 29, 2016, 08:22:37 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807572
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
FrexxEd for AOS3 (and 2 I think). Very powerful because of it's script system. The only drawback is the crappy out of the box configuration (my current config is sooooooo much better). A great editor for people who want control over EVERYTHING, and who want to add functionality.

CygnusEd is very good, but rather basic.

GoldEd and CubicIde are only good if you can bare the editing model. I personally hate them with a passion.

Bottom line: CygnusEd is a quality car repair shop. FrexxEd is a car manufacturing plant.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Linde on April 29, 2016, 10:51:51 PM
Vim is a good text editor that is still actively developed and widely used. It takes an effort to get used to it and it's probably a better fit for programming than for prose, but I use it for both.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 29, 2016, 11:22:34 PM
OS 4, oh just saying. :)
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: paul1981 on April 30, 2016, 01:42:04 AM
BED satisfies my text editing needs.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: AmiDude on April 30, 2016, 11:39:18 AM
TurboText here...
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Linde on April 30, 2016, 12:22:33 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807718
OS 4, oh just saying. :)


I'm not sure that this is a response to my post, but Vim originates from the 68k Amiga. The official website still provides 68k binaries.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: swift240 on April 30, 2016, 09:04:00 PM
Yeah I use FinalWriter 97  a lot, its very capable.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on April 30, 2016, 10:56:06 PM
It was mentioned that the subject contained 68K apps. I thought I would throw OS4 into it while I was at it. :)
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: ChaosLord on May 01, 2016, 10:25:57 AM
Based on my own personal experience:

Writing a book or serious letters:
1. Final Writer 97 (better Thesaurus)
2. Wordsworth AGA (better user interface)
3. LaTeX (You neeed to be dead serious with this one)
4. PageStream (Light, ez, fluffy)  I couldn't live without it.


Writing Code:
GoldEd / Cubic IDE  (It supports folding and unfolding & syntax hilighting so it blows away Cygus ED.

Cygnus ED.   I still use this because it is what I learned on.   Bad habits are hard to get rid of :(((((((((((



Other's I would love to try beuase I keep heaaring goood things about them:
FrexxEd
TurboText
Black's Editor
Annotate
Idea Processor


Can anyone recommend me a code editor that works in full screen mode AND supports folding / unfolding) AND supports syntax hlighting/unhililithing?   Preferably with example screenshots?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Thorham on May 01, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: ChaosLord;807767
Can anyone recommend me a code editor that works in full screen mode AND supports folding / unfolding) AND supports syntax hlighting/unhililithing?   Preferably with example screenshots?
FrexxEd.

(http://s32.postimg.org/53g9yc0r9/image.png)

(http://s32.postimg.org/onebb6g2d/asm.png)

Extremely powerful editor because of the script system (interpreted C). I use a highly customized setup (out of the box config sucks). Great editor for people who like to have control of everything. The syntax coloring isn't perfect, though, and it definitely requires an accelerator.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on May 01, 2016, 06:58:08 PM
What if I wanted to connect my writing to an outline that I have written.

I write an outline first to get my thoughts together and then I write each section.
How can I put a note in my story that would not get printed that points to its corresponding section?
I guess I could do it in reverse and put page numbers in my outline.
They would need to be updated.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: ChaosLord on May 02, 2016, 03:36:50 AM
Quote from: Thorham;807771
FrexxEd.

(http://s32.postimg.org/53g9yc0r9/image.png)

(http://s32.postimg.org/onebb6g2d/asm.png)

Extremely powerful editor because of the script system (interpreted C). I use a highly customized setup (out of the box config sucks). Great editor for people who like to have control of everything. The syntax coloring isn't perfect, though, and it definitely requires an accelerator.


I have only used 50Mhz 060+ for many years.   Izzat fast enuf 4 u?


"I prefer a w;;l"
w;;l?=??????

Quote
GoldEd and CubicIde are only good if you can bare the "editing model." I personally hate them with a passion.
 what is the definitiion of "editing model"?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Thorham on May 02, 2016, 10:27:56 AM
Quote from: ChaosLord;807820
I have only used 50Mhz 060+ for many years.   Izzat fast enuf 4 u?
That should be more than enough.

Quote from: ChaosLord;807820
"I prefer a w;;l"
w;;l?=??????
:confused:

Quote from: ChaosLord;807820
what is the definitiion of "editing model"?
The way the editor behaves. There are editors like Notepad++ on the peecee. Many Amiga text editors behave in the same way (FrexxEd, CygnusEd, and a whole bunch more). Then there are the Emacs variants, and finally GoldEd which is just, I don't know, backwards.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: dovegrace on May 02, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807783
What if I wanted to connect my writing to an outline that I have written.

I write an outline first to get my thoughts together and then I write each section.
How can I put a note in my story that would not get printed that points to its corresponding section?
I guess I could do it in reverse and put page numbers in my outline.
They would need to be updated.


Have you tried using Flow for Amiga?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on May 02, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
Sorry, I have not. Thanks, I will check that out.
edit:
 New Horizons Software, Inc. Bankrupt. :(
Where do I get their software?
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on May 03, 2016, 03:55:16 PM
I want to find out what works good with Amiga Forever 2016 and RTG.
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: Thorham on May 03, 2016, 09:03:50 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807855
Where do I get their software?
Have you tried the EAB file server?

http://grandis.nu:81/
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: nyteschayde on May 03, 2016, 10:03:20 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807572
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
Thanks.


If your are a vim fan, you may like Z. It was written by John Goodnow II and released with Manx software. The app is no longer supported but works on probably all classic systems.

I managed to track down the documentation for it, and assembled it into a clean archive and put it up on aminet.

Get Z here (http://aminet.net/package/text/edit/z)
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on May 03, 2016, 10:33:23 PM
Thanks to both of you, Nyteschayde and Thorham.
I will continue to research this, aka stuck. :D
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on August 08, 2016, 04:29:14 AM
Great
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: xenic on August 08, 2016, 04:14:40 PM
Quote from: trekiej;807572
What are the best text editors for Amiga 68K?
Thanks.

http://www.monkeyhouse.eclipse.co.uk/amiga/turbotext/
Title: Re: 68K Professional Text Editor
Post by: trekiej on August 08, 2016, 06:43:42 PM
thanks