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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: WeiXing3D on March 22, 2016, 05:19:51 PM
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OK, once again thanks to Thomas for putting me in the right path to continue with the configuration of X-Surf 100 & Rapid Road.
The X-Surf 100 board and Rapid Road are installed inside the A3000 and I can see a white light coming from Rapid Road.
I have installed Poseidon and launched Prefs/Trident where the status shows as online
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg.html)
Trident - Rapid Road photo 20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg
But plugging a USB stick doesn't do anything. I'm reading the instructions in the leaflet that came with Rapid Road but that there's no troubleshoot guide.
Any help will be very welcome. The same to help me to get online with the X-Surf 100.
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Try a USB mouse to test.
USB Sticks will need more work to get going by setting up FAT.
Good luck!
Matt
OK, once again thanks to Thomas for putting me in the right path to continue with the configuration of X-Surf 100 & Rapid Road.
The X-Surf 100 board and Rapid Road are installed inside the A3000 and I can see a white light coming from Rapid Road.
I have installed Poseidon and launched Prefs/Trident where the status shows as online
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg.html)
Trident - Rapid Road photo 20160322_101129_zpsoj0diav5.jpg
But plugging a USB stick doesn't do anything. I'm reading the instructions in the leaflet that came with Rapid Road but that there's no troubleshoot guide.
Any help will be very welcome. The same to help me to get online with the X-Surf 100.
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@matt3K
Tried with USB mouse and no luck either :(
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Do yourself a favor and buy Roadshow. It comes with a script for the xsurf 100. You basically install it, move the config over as the docs say and reboot.
As for Poseidon be sure you arw using version 4.5 and launch prefs. Tou need to also open a cli and type the command to attach the ports as mentioned in the docs, save the config in prefs and reboot. The dot next to online should be green.
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Do yourself a favor and buy Roadshow. It comes with a script for the xsurf 100. You basically install it, move the config over as the docs say and reboot.
As for Poseidon be sure you arw using version 4.5 and launch prefs. Tou need to also open a cli and type the command to attach the ports as mentioned in the docs, save the config in prefs and reboot. The dot next to online should be green.
Strangely enough the button was green yesterday before the Boing Bag updates that I made this morning. What could have happened?
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Go back into poseidon prefs and setup the device again and this time SAVE!
BTW, since you have a 3640 card in your 3000D...you might run into the dreaded 3640 issue
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I had similar problems on my a1200 with rapid road.
First time it didn't recognize my USB key or USB mouse. Rapid road was also indicated to be online according to trident. But no devices showed up on connecting (no popup too).
After i removed the rapid road device from trident and added the rapid road device again, everything worked ok.
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When you plug in a USB device it should give you some kind of notification on this screen (see attached screenshots).
Are you getting anything in the log at all? You may want to start with reinstalling Poseidon from Jen's site, now that you've got all the BB's and other stuff installed.
Note that I've found some devices that just don't work at all - one particular model of USB mouse from Microsoft that's common around my office, amusingly enough. But Dell, HP, other brands of mice and keyboards should all work fine, and flash drives / external storage devices, once you get FAT95 installed & configured. :)
Did you connect the auxiliary power cable?
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One more thing - is something wrong with the color on your monitor? That "online" indicator should be green, not black. (of course, maybe it's just my screen here, lol.)
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One more thing - is something wrong with the color on your monitor? That "online" indicator should be green, not black. (of course, maybe it's just my screen here, lol.)
The light (button) was green yesterday but today after the BB updates it is not....????
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Do yourself a favor and buy Roadshow. It comes with a script for the xsurf 100. You basically install it, move the config over as the docs say and reboot.
As for Poseidon be sure you arw using version 4.5 and launch prefs. Tou need to also open a cli and type the command to attach the ports as mentioned in the docs, save the config in prefs and reboot. The dot next to online should be green.
The instructions for X-Surf 100 say that Rapidshow would not work with this card.....???
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When you plug in a USB device it should give you some kind of notification on this screen (see attached screenshots).
Are you getting anything in the log at all? You may want to start with reinstalling Poseidon from Jen's site, now that you've got all the BB's and other stuff installed.
Note that I've found some devices that just don't work at all - one particular model of USB mouse from Microsoft that's common around my office, amusingly enough. But Dell, HP, other brands of mice and keyboards should all work fine, and flash drives / external storage devices, once you get FAT95 installed & configured. :)
Did you connect the auxiliary power cable?
The card did not include any auxiliary power cable. RR is just plug in the X-SURF 100 and the network seated in the Zorro card. The light in the RRshines brightly white.
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The card did not include any auxiliary power cable. RR is just plug in the X-SURF 100 and the network seated in the Zorro card. The light in the RRshines brightly white.
Bah, you got tricked into buying the X-Surf 100 model, not the clockport model. ;) http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/rapidroad
Difference is that that the clockport model works on an A1200, also (if you ever decide to move it), and includes the auxiliary power cable, which is recommended even in big-box systems if using power-hungry devices. I installed it right off the bat in mine, since i knew at minimum I'd be using at least a hub. Extra power never hurts, right? ;)
Wow, I completely forgotten I'd tried to write a review of this card, until my own review came up in a google search results. ;) http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68444
TL;DR. Reinstall Poseidon if nothing is showing up in the log (see my previous screenshots).
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The instructions for X-Surf 100 say that Rapidshow would not work with this card.....???
I could never get Roadshow to work to save my life, but I'm probably just a big dummy. Plenty of folks have it working with the X-Surf 100.
The GUI interface in Miami is great, too bad it's sloooow compared to Roadshow, and Holger Kruse is such a %(*%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!(#. :roflmao:
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I'm done reinstalling Poseidon and I'm sure that is version 4.5, but still it reads "on" but no green light.
I'm positive that yesterday before the BB updates, it was green.
These are some pictures of what Scout has found too:
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_141257_zpsbvytibie.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_141257_zpsbvytibie.jpg.html)
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_141620_zps5k0z2hml.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_141620_zps5k0z2hml.jpg.html)
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_141721_zpscz25rkua.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_141721_zpscz25rkua.jpg.html)
Is there any other way to check if the X-Surf 100 & RR are OK?
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So what you're saying is, when you plug in any USB device, you're getting absolutely no activity at all in the logs?
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806163&postcount=8
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So what you're saying is, when you plug in any USB device, you're getting absolutely no activity at all in the logs?
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=806163&postcount=8
nada, zero...
This is a picture of my card showing signs of being alive
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_145027_zpsqwo6hhat.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_145027_zpsqwo6hhat.jpg.html)
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Looking at the manual, it's also saying you should use the additional power connector:
Adding extra power
RapidRoad can deliver up to 1.5 amps of power to each of the two USB ports. That's three
times the specified power of a normal USB port, so it should be enough for very power-hungry
devices.
Unfortunately, it's not possible to draw this amount of power from the Zorro slot only. If you
are not using an active (powered) USB hub for such power-hungry devices, you should make a
direct connection to your power supply with one of the floppy-power connectors. You can use
any of the two white power connectors of RapidRoad.
- http://wiki.icomp.de/w/images/f/f3/RapidRoad_XS100_manual_bilingual.pdf
Light on the RapidRoad is definitely white, right? It looks red in your photo...
AFAIK not much Amiga "Scout-like" software can really detect the RapidRoad (and other software mis-detects the X-Surf 100 as some generic serial board), but what do you see in these two programs?
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Looking at the manual, it's also saying you should use the additional power connector:
Light on the RapidRoad is definitely white, right? It looks red in your photo...
AFAIK not much Amiga "Scout-like" software can really detect the RapidRoad (and other software mis-detects the X-Surf 100 as some generic serial board), but what do you see in these two programs?
The light in RR is white; the red light comes from the LAN connection.
This is a SnoopDOS report showing a few things failing in Trident:
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160322_152924_zpspzyegk4c.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160322_152924_zpspzyegk4c.jpg.html)
I hope this helps to identify the problem(s).
Thank you Oldsmobile_Mike
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@Oldsmobile_Mike
Here is a picture of a different installation in an A4000 from the blog of fitzstevens
http://www.fitzstevesamigaworld.co.uk/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/P1080409.JPG
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/A4000%20amp%20Rapid%20Road_zpsuudkneor.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/A4000%20amp%20Rapid%20Road_zpsuudkneor.jpg.html)
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What buster version do you have?
Did you try the zorro2 jumper?
Are you going to use ad power via a 4 pin cable?
What is that memory card below the xsurf?
In Poseidon prefs... Scroll down the messages as what is the newest?
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SACC has a good point. Is that a Zorro 2 memory board? Have you tried with all other cards removed?
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Roadshow works great with the xsurf 100. No issues at all for me on my 3000 with an 060.
I would bet the controller isn't enabled on Poseidon. I had fits to get that working. Delete and manually connect the rapidroadxs100usb.device and save config.
If that doesn't fix it I bet it is the 3640 which has a known issue with rapid road.
The only other option is a flaky power supply. Check to see if you have black on the connector to the mother board.
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SACC has a good point. Is that a Zorro 2 memory board? Have you tried with all other cards removed?
No, I haven't tried with all the other cards removed.
What can you tell me from the error messages (Fail) shown in SnoopDOS?
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Roadshow works great with the xsurf 100. No issues at all for me on my 3000 with an 060.
I would bet the controller isn't enabled on Poseidon. I had fits to get that working. Delete and manually connect the rapidroadxs100usb.device and save config.
If that doesn't fix it I bet it is the 3640 which has a known issue with rapid road.
The only other option is a flaky power supply. Check to see if you have black on the connector to the mother board.
Could you please explain how to do this: "I had fits to get that working. Delete and manually connect the rapidroadxs100usb.device and save config.
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Thanks
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Go to prefs and run trident. Go to controllers on left window browser. You will see the rapid road device there (if not just add it). Select new and go to deva/usbhardware and add the 100 version of the device.
The install for Poseidon is buggy and doesn't always add the controller properly.
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What buster version do you have?
Did you try the zorro2 jumper?
Are you going to use ad power via a 4 pin cable?
What is that memory card below the xsurf?
In Poseidon prefs... Scroll down the messages as what is the newest?
Did you try the zorro2 jumper? Could you please tell me hpw to do this? Change the jumper to Zorro II?
Thank you.
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After talking with you on the phone and discovering you have an A3640 in your A3000 you NEED to change the Xsurf-100 into ZII mode. The jumper is easy to spot on the board.
The RapidRoad has issues with an A3640. Here is the thread where it was discovered. I'm glad I was ale to get the Ethernet portion working for you at least over the phone!
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=75396&highlight=rapidroad
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Nice one, guys! It's stuff like this that really makes me miss user groups. I'm sure if you locked all of us into a room together we could have figured this out about 20 comments ago, lol. :lol:
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After talking with you on the phone and discovering you have an A3640 in your A3000 you NEED to change the Xsurf-100 into ZII mode. The jumper is easy to spot on the board.
The RapidRoad has issues with an A3640. Here is the thread where it was discovered. I'm glad I was ale to get the Ethernet portion working for you at least over the phone!
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=75396&highlight=rapidroad
Thank you Acill. This is my first post from my A3000 using IBrowse, and yes, it directly downloaded IBrowse in my 3000.
Thank you all of you who have been helping me in my journey with a "real" Amiga.
Now, if someone can give a little bit of help in modifying the jumper(s). I have never touch jumpers in a computer board or card.
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Now, if someone can give a little bit of help in modifying the jumper(s). I have never touch jumpers in a computer board or card.
Just one jumper, clearly marked. See the pic I added to my post right above yours. ;)
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Just one jumper, clearly marked. See the pic I added to my post right above yours. ;)
Cool :roflmao:
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What buster version do you have?
Did you try the zorro2 jumper?
Are you going to use ad power via a 4 pin cable?
What is that memory card below the xsurf?
In Poseidon prefs... Scroll down the messages as what is the newest?
Now I have the answers to your questions. This is what the previous owner wrote to me:
You got Buster 11 and the 7.1 Daughter Board. No need for jumper. That is a 2 MB 24 bit Fast RAM Board. You have the full 16 MB of 32 bit Fast RAM. (Zips). The 2 MB RAM board is not necessary. You may be able to overcome some issues you are having by taking it out as well and just sticking to the 16 MB Expansion Ram (32 Bit). I know you are working at it but remember I told you that I had to upgrade all chip revisions including the Daughter Board to get the A3640 to work properly. Your WD SCSI chips are upgraded revisions too. The chips on the A3640 are version 3.2. You're getting there it seems.
And UPDATE: As you all kn ow by now, thanks to Acill, I have Internet up and running. He also shared with me a link to a whole thread about Rapid Road used in A3000's and issues with the 3640. I read all 22 pages of it. So I 'm now aware that I have the same issue (also by reading the log in Trident).
So this is what I will do:
1. Add power to the RR
2. Change jumper to Z2 position
I'm not sure if I have another floppy power connection available inside, if not I will have to buy one, and also the ground cable.
I will report later.
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Nice one, guys! It's stuff like this that really makes me miss user groups. I'm sure if you locked all of us into a room together we could have figured this out about 20 comments ago, lol. :lol:
@Oldsmobile_Mike Do you have a larger picture of the jumper settings?
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@Oldsmobile_Mike Do you have a larger picture of the jumper settings?
Aaah, ya killing me now, man. ;) I just googled that picture, but seriously, there's only one jumper, just put it on. :D
Here ya go, a bigger picture I found. Granted, it's upside-down, but still. ;)
http://www.kinhell.amibay.com/Kin/Pics/Amiga%20Sale/X-Surf100/X-Surf100-02.JPG
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BTW, the power should be off when you do this
sigh...it's on the xsurf card right above the BIG 100 print!
It comes in the zorro3 mode (the jumper block is just on ONE pin)
Pull it off...and push it on both pins...now it's in the zorro2 mode
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Thank you guys.
Believe it or not I have never dealt with jumpers before; all plug and play :)
I know that this may be is not relevant, but why is it that the LED icon in Trident showing the device status under Controller, is at times greyed out and some other times is green; under both circumstances it reads On Line, and it works. In fact this been posted from my A3000.
Just curious.
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Mine is green all the time, not sure why yours does that. I have to assume it has something to do with the known issues the A3640 has. I'm also using a Radeon and sometimes a Voodoo 5 card to display 32 bit full color screen modes on a 27" monitor and not native A3000 modes through an Amber card like you are. It could be Mike and I are on RTG graphics and cn show more colors.
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Nice one, guys! It's stuff like this that really makes me miss user groups. I'm sure if you locked all of us into a room together we could have figured this out about 20 comments ago, lol. :lol:
Oscar is part of S.A.C.C.
He just prefers to use -ALL- the forums to solve his problems ASAP
He thinks it's faster, and NO driving. (he's not the only one... I get calls to solve issues alot)
You are right, it would have taken a lot less time, but I'm nor sure it's always better.
Chances are, we would have just set the jumper for him and he would still be hardware virgin. sigh
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Mine is green all the time, not sure why yours does that. I have to assume it has something to do with the known issues the A3640 has. I'm also using a Radeon and sometimes a Voodoo 5 card to display 32 bit full color screen modes on a 27" monitor and not native A3000 modes through an Amber card like you are. It could be Mike and I are on RTG graphics and cn show more colors.
I see what it is: Changing the ScreenMode to a lower res but 32 colors shows the light in green. I'm using NTSC Hire Res Laced but that only goes up to 16 colors.
Using PAL shows a picture a bit sharper (my monitor LG HD multi port) handles both PAL & NTSC, but still I can only use PAL High Res Laced to get a decent picture quality.
Is there any option that I could try? I don't remember how it is that one can populate the list of monitors available under SYS:Prefs/ScreenModes.
I know it's something between DEVS & Storage, but I can't remember.
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Aaah, ya killing me now, man. ;) I just googled that picture, but seriously, there's only one jumper, just put it on. :D
Here ya go, a bigger picture I found. Granted, it's upside-down, but still. ;)
http://www.kinhell.amibay.com/Kin/Pics/Amiga%20Sale/X-Surf100/X-Surf100-02.JPG
Thanks a lot for your patience with me bro.
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Open the Storage drawer, see the monitors drawer, open monitors drawer.
See all the options? Great.
Open the DEVS drawer, see monitors drawer...
Drag and drop the newer monitors options from the Storage/monitors drawer you want to the Devs/monitors drawer.
Open the Prefs drawer, open the screenmode icon. See more options?
You can test which work for you by just double clicking the icons in the Storage/monitors drawer and then testing in screenmode but to make the new monitor stay, you have to drag (or copy) it over.
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I see what it is: Changing the ScreenMode to a lower res but 32 colors shows the light in green. I'm using NTSC Hire Res Laced but that only goes up to 16 colors.
No graphics card? You're going to be stuck with a maximum of 16 colors if you want to run your Workbench at 640x400 / 640x512. No greens left in your palette? Now is the time you want to research the FullPalette program and the Rebel palette.
I'll just leave this excellent blog entry here for you to read and study at your leisure:
http://www.mfilos.com/2012/01/guide-making-workbench-prettier-using.html
Also you're going to want the Peter K. icon library: http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
(more info on that, as well as later test versions, here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079)
...now be prepared to spend the next 904857945687 hours customizing your Workbench. I've been doing mine for over 25 years and it still ain't perfect, yet. ;)
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Thanks a lot for those links. Sounds quite interesting. I will read them in detail.
Man, I know...I need a gfx card, but my wife is going to ask me for either a new diamond ring or divorce before she lets me spend more money. Btwn the A3000, the X-Surf 100, RR, a new or NOS mouse, 2 x SCS2SD adapters, my wife is giving me the look :hammer:
But anyways, are there any gfx cards still available? Used preferably.
No graphics card? You're going to be stuck with a maximum of 16 colors if you want to run your Workbench at 640x400 / 640x512. No greens left in your palette? Now is the time you want to research the FullPalette program and the Rebel palette.
I'll just leave this excellent blog entry here for you to read and study at your leasure:
http://www.mfilos.com/2012/01/guide-making-workbench-prettier-using.html
Also you're going to want the Peter K. icon library: http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
(more info on that, as well as later test versions, here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079)
...now be prepared to spend the next 904857945687 hours customizing your Workbench. I've been doing mine for over 25 years and it still ain't perfect, yet. ;)
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Thanks a lot for those links. Sounds quite interesting. I will read them in detail.
Man, I know...I need a gfx card, but my wife is going to ask me for either a new diamond ring or divorce before lets me spend more money. Btwn the A3000, the X-Surf 100, RR, a new or NOS mouse, 2 x SCS2SD adapters, my wife is giving me the look :hammer:
But anyways, are there any gfx cards still available? Used preferably.
Glad to see you got her going! Good work! You took her to the next level where I left off years ago. I got "the look" from my wife as well about spending money on the Sam. If you type in "Amiga One" in ebay and "Amiga Graphics Cards" you occasionally run into one, just watch the bidding - gets outta control sometimes. :hammer:
Glad it's working out for both of us. Cheers!!
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Glad to see you got her going! Good work! You took her to the next level where I left off years ago. I got "the look" from my wife as well about spending money on the Sam. If you type in "Amiga One" in ebay and "Amiga Graphics Cards" you occasionally run into one, just watch the bidding - gets outta control sometimes. :hammer:
Glad it's working out for both of us. Cheers!!
To me this is being a very humbling experience. When I had my first Amiga, a 500, I was fresh out college and didn't have money to buy all I could only dream of having, so I basically use my A500 to play games.
Now that I am mature (old is a better word though :laughing: I have the time occasionally, but more importantly, the resources, to buy and configure the computer I always wanted to have.
So, I'm using training wheels, but I have a big appetite to learn. The joy for me is in experimenting and learning something new about the amazing Amiga everyday.
Thank you to all of you who are helping me to make my journey easier and more enjoyable.
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Thanks a lot for those links. Sounds quite interesting. I will read them in detail.
Man, I know...I need a gfx card, but my wife is going to ask me for either a new diamond ring or divorce before lets me spend more money.
Pah....believe me, the diamond ring is much more cheaper tha a gfx card today.... Buy BOTH :laugh1: be happy :D
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@all who helped me with this project BIG thanks.
Eureka...The Rapid Road USB module is working. Just as predicted...it was just a matter of connecting to power and switching to ZII.
I just formatted my first 4GB card in my Amiga 3000.
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160324_124541_zpsoza5tpng.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160324_124541_zpsoza5tpng.jpg.html)
I will create a new thread to see if anyone maybe interested in swapping a Commodore 2065 network card with and Allied Telesyn Centrecom 210TS Twisted Pair Micro Transceiver with 4 LEDs for a graphic card...
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@all who helped me with this project BIG thanks.
Eureka...The Rapid Road USB module is working. Just as predicted...it was just a matter of connecting to power and switching to ZII.
I just formatted my first 4GB card in my Amiga 3000.
(http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo30/AmigOS923/20160324_124541_zpsoza5tpng.jpg) (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/AmigOS923/media/20160324_124541_zpsoza5tpng.jpg.html)
I will create a new thread to see if anyone maybe interested in swapping a Commodore 205 network card with and Allied Telesyn Centrecom 210TS Twisted Pair Micro Transceiver with 4 LEDs for a graphic card...
Glad to hear you got it working! Your best bet is to just sell the card and spend a bit more for a Mediator and use a Radeon 9200. You will get more RAM and the fastest RTG for classics for only a few hundred dollars. I dont see anyone trading an Amiga video card for a network card. I only got $100 each for two older network cards on ebay, and the X-surf 100 is only a bit more than that now. I see a Picasso IV for near $500 on Amibay currently.
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Or maybe a GVP Spectrum, only 2 meg but has pass-thru for Indi-ecs. I think maybe Mike has it working?
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Glad to hear you got it working! Your best bet is to just sell the card and spend a bit more for a Mediator and use a Radeon 9200. You will get more RAM and the fastest RTG for classics for only a few hundred dollars. I dont see anyone trading an Amiga video card for a network card. I only got $100 each for two older network cards on ebay, and the X-surf 100 is only a bit more than that now. I see a Picasso IV for near $500 on Amibay currently.
I don't see myself spending 500 bucks in a graphic card; definitely not for a while.:laugh1:
Please tell me more about that Mediator and Radeon card solution.
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I see what it is: Changing the ScreenMode to a lower res but 32 colors shows the light in green. I'm using NTSC Hire Res Laced but that only goes up to 16 colors.
Using PAL shows a picture a bit sharper (my monitor LG HD multi port) handles both PAL & NTSC, but still I can only use PAL High Res Laced to get a decent picture quality.
Is there any option that I could try? I don't remember how it is that one can populate the list of monitors available under SYS:Prefs/ScreenModes.
I know it's something between DEVS & Storage, but I can't remember.
move the monitor files in storage:monitors to devs:monitors. you can double click them all or reboot to make them show in prefs:screenmode
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Please tell me more about that Mediator and Radeon card solution.
You have a 3000 in a desktop chassis, right? You'll need one of these:
http://www.elbox.com/products/mediator_pci_3000di.html
Haven't seen one for sale in a while, but you might get lucky. You could always try asking on Amibay, etc.
Once you have one of those then you can use any of the compatible PCI graphics cards, which are much easier (comparatively) to come by than a native Amiga graphics card. ;)
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Towering is another option and you can look for an A4000/3000 mediator as well. I'd post on Amibay asking for the 3000di version first.
I do see them for sale quite often.
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Towering is another option and you can look for an A4000/3000 mediator as well. I'd post on Amibay asking for the 3000di version first.
I do see them for sale quite often.
And spending over $500 for all the parts he needed. (lol)
For a 3000D find a Picasso2 or Picasso2 Plus or Spectrum...all have pass thru to use with the built in 15 pin video port.
A Picasso4 is really better in a 4000 as it doesn't have the 15 pin port!
Ahhhh, I forgot about the CV64
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Picasso 2 is Zorro 2 only. I'd say a Spectrum, PIV, or CV64... of course with the exception of the Spectrum, those all go for over $500, when you can even find one. :(
http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/rtg
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Picasso 2 is Zorro 2 only. I'd say a Spectrum, PIV, or CV64... of course with the exception of the Spectrum, those all go for over $500, when you can even find one. :(
http://amiga.resource.cx/dir/rtg
Don't forget!
He had to drop to zorro 2 because of his 040 card!
Thinking about, I would like to find a Picasso2 Plus card myself.
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Don't forget!
He had to drop to zorro 2 because of his 040 card!
Thinking about, I would like to find a Picasso2 Plus card myself.
Personally I'd ditch that '040 card like a hot potato and get a model that's compatible with Zorro 3 - either a different '040, or an '060. But that's just me, I don't know OP's budget. ;)
I had two Picasso 2's and didn't like them much, but that was only because I couldn't get their pass-through to work with an Indivision. AFAIK it should work fine with the A3K's build-in HD15 output.
Never could find a PII+, GVP Spectrum is the bee's knees, however. Does Z 2 and Z 3, so if he could find one of those he could run it in 2 now, and flip it to 3 when he gets a real accelerator. Sorry OP, that's another jumper you're going to have to flip, though! :lol:
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Personally I'd ditch that '040 card like a hot potato and get a model that's compatible with Zorro 3 - either a different '040, or an '060. But that's just me, I don't know OP's budget. ;)
I had two Picasso 2's and didn't like them much, but that was only because I couldn't get their pass-through to work with an Indivision. AFAIK it should work fine with the A3K's build-in HD15 output.
Never could find a PII+, GVP Spectrum is the bee's knees, however. Does Z 2 and Z 3, so if he could find one of those he could run it in 2 now, and flip it to 3 when he gets a real accelerator. Sorry OP, that's another jumper you're going to have to flip, though! :lol:
Guys, thank you for all the advice about a gfx card for my A3000. I think I will just keep my eyes open for a PII + GVP Spectrum. No rush, since I need to recup.
I will move on to my next project in a new thread coming a forum near you...:)
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Guys, thank you for all the advice about a gfx card for my A3000. I think I will just keep my eyes open for a PII + GVP Spectrum. No rush, since I need to recup.
I will move on to my next project in a new thread coming a forum near you...:)
IMHO and being and Amiga 3000 owner since 1991 and having tried about every possible combinations of graphics cards and setups. I would stay away from the picasso II and the spectrum cards, they are both fine cards but the Cybervision 64 is the best plug and play zorro 3 card for the 3000D. In normal use it is much faster than lower end cards and is has a path through. The Retina BLT Z3 fills the space between the picasso II and the cybervision 64. It is a real fast card, not as fast as the cybervision and it lacks a paththrough. If your going to spend real money get the CV64, it makes a much better improvement in useability and speed than an 040 card does.
The only reason I would install a Mediator Board is to get DVI out and higher resolutions, other than that I haven't found any other real advantage to owning one. The speed difference between a radeon and the cv64 is not that great really, running my 3000D on the CV64 in 1024x768 and the radeon in HD (granted it is a much higher screen) is pretty close in performance.
Again this is my experience with the 3000D. Good luck.
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IMHO and being and Amiga 3000 owner since 1991 and having tried about every possible combinations of graphics cards and setups. I would stay away from the picasso II and the spectrum cards, they are both fine cards but the Cybervision 64 is the best plug and play zorro 3 card for the 3000D. In normal use it is much faster than lower end cards and is has a path through. The Retina BLT Z3 fills the space between the picasso II and the cybervision 64. It is a real fast card, not as fast as the cybervision and it lacks a paththrough. If your going to spend real money get the CV64, it makes a much better improvement in useability and speed than an 040 card does.
The only reason I would install a Mediator Board is to get DVI out and higher resolutions, other than that I haven't found any other real advantage to owning one. The speed difference between a radeon and the cv64 is not that great really, running my 3000D on the CV64 in 1024x768 and the radeon in HD (granted it is a much higher screen) is pretty close in performance.
Again this is my experience with the 3000D. Good luck.
Thank you for sharing your experience; your comments are appreciated.
Right now, I need to recup from my recent spending spree.
Honestly, I feel more attracted to the Mediator PCI solution,but I'm still open to the Picasso II alternative. I'm not building a high performance machine, but rather something functional and practical to use.
Unfortunately, either solution is a long shot due to the scarcity of those cards in the market, and when they pop up, the asking price is higher than the price of your machine :furious:
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Personally I'd ditch that '040 card like a hot potato and get a model that's compatible with Zorro 3 - either a different '040, or an '060. But that's just me, I don't know OP's budget. ;)
I had two Picasso 2's and didn't like them much, but that was only because I couldn't get their pass-through to work with an Indivision. AFAIK it should work fine with the A3K's build-in HD15 output.
Never could find a PII+, GVP Spectrum is the bee's knees, however. Does Z 2 and Z 3, so if he could find one of those he could run it in 2 now, and flip it to 3 when he gets a real accelerator. Sorry OP, that's another jumper you're going to have to flip, though! :lol:
Mike,
the 3640 is completely compatible with zorro3, its not that, its Jens cards!
all old video cards etc were compatible just fine and some even supported buster 9.
The cv64 is one of the best a3000 gfx cards with the passthru.
using the x-surf 100 on zorro2 wont likely be that much difference in speed since zorro2 is still capable of 3.5MB/s max and i dont think x-surf hits that zII or in zIII mode(i could be wrong here?)
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IMHO and being and Amiga 3000 owner since 1991 and having tried about every possible combinations of graphics cards and setups. I would stay away from the picasso II and the spectrum cards, they are both fine cards but the Cybervision 64 is the best plug and play zorro 3 card for the 3000D. In normal use it is much faster than lower end cards and is has a path through. The Retina BLT Z3 fills the space between the picasso II and the cybervision 64. It is a real fast card, not as fast as the cybervision and it lacks a paththrough. If your going to spend real money get the CV64, it makes a much better improvement in useability and speed than an 040 card does.
The only reason I would install a Mediator Board is to get DVI out and higher resolutions, other than that I haven't found any other real advantage to owning one. The speed difference between a radeon and the cv64 is not that great really, running my 3000D on the CV64 in 1024x768 and the radeon in HD (granted it is a much higher screen) is pretty close in performance.
Again this is my experience with the 3000D. Good luck.
Really? I run the radeon in the 4000 @ 1900x1200x32 and i find its sits around waiting for stuff to do, way faster than the piv and cv64 which cant even do close to the same res. as a matter of fact those cards have noticeable slowdown at 1024x768x24 in my experience.
mediator is expensive but when you pay $1 for a 100Mbit card,nec usb card(modded) and such,$5 terratec 512i sound card... etc..it might make sense.It is more of a hassle to install and configure though. don't get me wrong i love z3 cards :)
CV64 all the way for the 3000 otherwise!
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I use CV64's in all of my 3000's except for my UX which I have an a2410 in. I agree that the CV64 is the best option for the 3000. I used to pick them up pretty cheap on EBay when everyone was hot for the PIV but recently the CV64's have been going for close to the PIV prices.
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Mike,
the 3640 is completely compatible with zorro3, its not that, its Jens cards!
using the x-surf 100 on zorro2 wont likely be that much difference in speed since zorro2 is still capable of 3.5MB/s max and i dont think x-surf hits that zII or in zIII mode(i could be wrong here?)
Haha, I know, I'm just not a fan of the 3640, especially in desktop 3000's. ;)
RapidRoad gets 6+ MB/sec in ZIII, 2-3MB/sec in ZIII, and around 700k/sec on clockport. That's based on reading various reviews, my experiences, etc. Your mileage may vary! ;)
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@Oldsmobile_Mike
I'm trying to install these WB enhancing tools, but I found that these 2 links are not longer working:
FullPalette.prefs: http://home.exetel.com.au/amiga/FullPalette.prefs
Rebel’s optimized 16 colors palette for FullPalette.
SilverSkin: http://home.exetel.com.au/amiga/Skins.lha
2 beautiful Skins made by Rebel (Green-Blue) for Windows, Titlebar etc (for use with VisualPrefs).
Do you happen to know if they can be found somewhere else? Google is not helping me.
No graphics card? You're going to be stuck with a maximum of 16 colors if you want to run your Workbench at 640x400 / 640x512. No greens left in your palette? Now is the time you want to research the FullPalette program and the Rebel palette.
I'll just leave this excellent blog entry here for you to read and study at your leisure:
http://www.mfilos.com/2012/01/guide-making-workbench-prettier-using.html
Also you're going to want the Peter K. icon library: http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
(more info on that, as well as later test versions, here: http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=64079)
...now be prepared to spend the next 904857945687 hours customizing your Workbench. I've been doing mine for over 25 years and it still ain't perfect, yet. ;)