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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: kreciu on February 01, 2016, 10:09:04 PM
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I like to dream (a lot!) and I had this dream. It looks like this: Amiga 1200 Reborn (Individual Computers) + Vampire1200 (http://www.majsta.com/) + new Amiga1200 cases (http://www.a1200.net/).
...or Amiga 1200 Reborn (mATX version) + Mediator (Elbox) + Vampire 1200 + new A1200 mATX desktop...
Is this possible?
Then you just buy it... NEW. I think this would still be cheaper then AmigaPPC NG?
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I like to dream (a lot!) and I had this dream. It looks like this: Amiga 1200 Reborn (Individual Computers) + Vampire1200 (http://www.majsta.com/) + new Amiga1200 cases (http://www.a1200.net/).
...or Amiga 1200 Reborn (mATX version) + Mediator (Elbox) + Vampire 1200 + new A1200 mATX desktop...
Is this possible?
Then you just buy it... NEW. I think this would still be cheaper then AmigaPPC NG?
Don't forget the sonnet crescendo 7200 in the Mediator :)
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One of the dealers may sell that when available.
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Amiga 1200 Reborn (mATX version) + Mediator (Elbox) + Vampire 1200 + new A1200 mATX desktop...
Probably will be available before the Prisma Megamix. :laughing:
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Don't forget the sonnet crescendo 7200 in the Mediator :)
You are right... and NEW PPC board, but I think this will never happend, to be able to by NEW Amiga + new "expansion" boards.
I wish that design of A1200 Reloaded would include ZorroII. In some way I hope we could have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIVz4cmPoxQ but A1200 "guts".
I think I just woke up... but it would be nice and in some way it is "almost there", "tommorow", "next year", "5th quarter of the year".
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Probably will be available before the Prisma Megamix. :laughing:
Bet your right, lol!
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Bet your right, lol!
...but totally serious, appearance of this kind of project shows one thing: You can solder you "new" Amiga "at home", kind off.
I truly believe there is many of skilled Amiga users who could do this, I can only buy it :( and complain about lack of it ;).
BTW. This could very nice DIY package for sale. PCB + all components (some could be soldered, so it is easier) to make new mobo based on A1200 "architecture", later you get DIY graphic card, even later DIY sound card.
I'm quite sure there is PLENTY of people who are dreaming about soldering their own computer they actually can use, it is VERY original. Look at Raspberry... Amiga would be "better" since you could make it completely from scratch. I think I'm dreaming again.
Ideas are CHEAP, it is more difficult to make them happen :).
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
It confuses and annoys the **** out of me that the new Amiga Reloaded boards are going to be made to fit inside an A500 plastic case, and require the use of an Amiga keyboard.
I don't understand why the boards aren't being built in an ATX or mATX form factor, and have the native ability for for a PS2/USB Keyboard and mouse. Add a mATX slim case and you have the modern equivalent to the Amiga 1000 form factor.
#1 The system will be properly ventilated to extend the life of those new yet aging chips.
#2 Not requiring an original A500 keyboard would be a HUGE bonus. This requirement is short sighted and befuddling.
#3 The system will have a proper place to mount an IBM floppy drive instead of dealing with mounting a floppy or a floppy drive emulator into a space not made for it.
#4 The external CF card slot could me made accessible in the front of the case with a 3.5" or 5.25" faceplate that could look like a modern PC flash card reader.
Some of the cost of the extras (PS2 KB/MOUSE ports) could be offset my not needing to bundle a laptop power supply.
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
It confuses and annoys the **** out of me that the new Amiga Reloaded boards are going to be made to fit inside an A500 plastic case, and require the use of an Amiga keyboard.
AFAIK they're going to be compatible with A1200 cases, too. Hence the huge demand for new A1200 cases (the big Kickstarter project from last year (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds)), etc. There's going to be another Kickstarter for keyboards, presumably after the cases ship.
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
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#2 Not requiring an original A500 keyboard would be a HUGE bonus. This requirement is short sighted and befuddling.
Replacing a dead A500 or A1200 motherboard in it's case with an Amiga Reloaded board it makes sense to use the (existing) Amiga keyboard since it fits the case.
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
It confuses and annoys the **** out of me that the new Amiga Reloaded boards are going to be made to fit inside an A500 plastic case, and require the use of an Amiga keyboard.
I don't understand why the boards aren't being built in an ATX or mATX form factor, and have the native ability for for a PS2/USB Keyboard and mouse. Add a mATX slim case and you have the modern equivalent to the Amiga 1000 form factor.
#1 The system will be properly ventilated to extend the life of those new yet aging chips.
#2 Not requiring an original A500 keyboard would be a HUGE bonus. This requirement is short sighted and befuddling.
#3 The system will have a proper place to mount an IBM floppy drive instead of dealing with mounting a floppy or a floppy drive emulator into a space not made for it.
#4 The external CF card slot could me made accessible in the front of the case with a 3.5" or 5.25" faceplate that could look like a modern PC flash card reader.
Some of the cost of the extras (PS2 KB/MOUSE ports) could be offset my not needing to bundle a laptop power supply.
I agree with you, but some people prefer using the original case/form factor.
Why not go with something like a FPGA Arcade?
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I'd like some new FPGA hardware with PCI slots.
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
I don't understand why the boards aren't being built in an ATX or mATX form factor, and have the native ability for for a PS2/USB Keyboard and mouse. Add a mATX slim case and you have the modern equivalent to the Amiga 1000 form factor.
This is EXACTLY on topic.
Same thinking here. I really would enjoy mATX A1200 mobo (it could most likely fit original desktop case).
I understand that some people want to see "old case" for A1200, and think: "I have A1200 that runs Quake II". Whatever. A1200 will NEVER run Quake II because it is peace of crap (sorry!) by itself. Sure, if you add crapload of turbo cards, expansion it will...but it is hard to call this sandwich A1200.
#2 Not requiring an original A500 keyboard would be a HUGE bonus. This requirement is short sighted and befuddling.
I also don't understand this idea.
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I'd like some new FPGA hardware with PCI slots.
... that will be useless without drivers :(.
I have to say that total randomness of various hardware efforts is killing Amiga. If people would actually concentrate they effort on ONE project and make it viable that would benefit people MUCH more then 6(?) versions of AmigaOS4.1 for each motherboard.
We need unification of projects, ideas... but as usual I'm dreaming.
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With the current direction of the FPGA, its just a massive speedboost of the classic line, not a diversion into a new branch. Id call it a revitalization. Some will stay with the original 680x0 chips, but both versions will retain WB 3.x.
Im sure Ill try the performance hungry version of AROS for eye candy too. One SD for WB and one for AROS? ;)
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With the current direction of the FPGA, its just a massive speedboost of the classic line, not a diversion into a new branch. Id call it a revitalization. Some will stay with the original 680x0 chips, but both versions will retain WB 3.x.
Im sure Ill try the performance hungry version of AROS for eye candy too. One SD for WB and one for AROS? ;)
I don't mind some "fresh air" in Amiga world. FPGA will give some new life and more usability to old hardware.
In general A1200+FPGA accelerator with some sort of GPU acceleration that will allow watching WB in high resolutions and millions of colors would be AMAZING. It would be nice to have some Wifi (is this possible?) on it and basically at this point A1200 "desktop" become quite useful "retro" computer.
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wouldnt that be cool, an old a500 brick, yellowed as hell, stuck keys, cigarrete ash in floppy drive and fast food stains all over the hull, but runs almost as fast as pentium 4?
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No need for a PPC card for it, and I doubt it would work. Can't wait to get one for my A500 too! (on the waiting list for the A600)
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If Jens has enough information to design and build Amiga reloaded does that mean we have full (and accurate) schematics and details for the A1200 (to allow this)?
And if so, why are we waiting for Jens?
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Jens has bought up all the supplies of Amiga custom chips.
Interactive A1200 PCB http://www.amigapcb.org/
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Jens has bought up all the supplies of Amiga custom chips.
Interactive A1200 PCB http://www.amigapcb.org/
Except for the chips WE own.
How many Amiga's were cannibalized for GB1000 boards?
"Jens...bought up all" - Hey, good argument for improved FPGA implementations.
After all, those chips could use improvement.
BTW - Thanks for the reference.
The key problem I have found with all CBM and Escom machines is that they still have issues that could use work.
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I see that some of you can know this:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=70431
I need to find replacement parts...
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Hey, let's start kickstarter project to finance new company called Amiga Incorporated and then we manufacture NEW Amigas and all! Bring 'em to new century and onto the public who's sick of Windows 10 update notices and all the bull we now must muster! Yeh! And now I gulp my last drop of beer and bail out, thank you... ;)
P.S. It should be possible 'cause they did it in '82-83 so can we? All we need are innovative engineers.
P.P.S. It's like sad to look at my A4k/040 and think this very fine technology failed to prevail although it had a chance in some point in time...It must have another shot at it!
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Hey, let's start kickstarter project to finance new company called Amiga Incorporated and then we manufacture NEW Amigas and all! Bring 'em to new century and onto the public who's sick of Windows 10 update notices and all the bull we now must muster! Yeh! And now I gulp my last drop of beer and bail out, thank you... ;)
P.S. It should be possible 'cause they did it in '82-83 so can we? All we need are innovative engineers.
P.P.S. It's like sad to look at my A4k/040 and think this very fine technology failed to prevail although it had a chance in some point in time...It must have another shot at it!
Funny, that WAS McBill's plan up until he lost control, wasn't it?
Gee, it sounds weird when you're sarcastic about it.
Remember, its a hobby guys.
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Don't forget the sonnet crescendo 7200 in the Mediator :)
No need for a PPC card for it, and I doubt it would work. Can't wait to get one for my A500 too! (on the waiting list for the A600)
I was attempting you be, what do the Brits call it, cheeky :) If you are dreaming go for the maximum build possible!!!!!!
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
It confuses and annoys the **** out of me that the new Amiga Reloaded boards are going to be made to fit inside an A500 plastic case, and require the use of an Amiga keyboard.
I don't understand why the boards aren't being built in an ATX or mATX form factor, and have the native ability for for a PS2/USB Keyboard and mouse. Add a mATX slim case and you have the modern equivalent to the Amiga 1000 form factor.
#1 The system will be properly ventilated to extend the life of those new yet aging chips.
#2 Not requiring an original A500 keyboard would be a HUGE bonus. This requirement is short sighted and befuddling.
#3 The system will have a proper place to mount an IBM floppy drive instead of dealing with mounting a floppy or a floppy drive emulator into a space not made for it.
#4 The external CF card slot could me made accessible in the front of the case with a 3.5" or 5.25" faceplate that could look like a modern PC flash card reader.
Some of the cost of the extras (PS2 KB/MOUSE ports) could be offset my not needing to bundle a laptop power supply.
+1
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Slightly off topic, but I need to vent.
It confuses and annoys the **** out of me that the new Amiga Reloaded boards are going to be made to fit inside an A500 plastic case, and require the use of an Amiga keyboard.
I don't understand why the boards aren't being built in an ATX or mATX form factor, and have the native ability for for a PS2/USB Keyboard and mouse. Add a mATX slim case and you have the modern equivalent to the Amiga 1000 form factor.
I think many people prefer an Amiga to look like an Amiga and not like an anonymous PC. Desktop PCs are dying out, they fallen out of popularity with the growth in laptop and handheld devices so if you must have a desktop Amiga it's best to be in an Amiga "Keyboard/Wedge" case.
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...but totally serious, appearance of this kind of project shows one thing: You can solder you "new" Amiga "at home", kind off.
I truly believe there is many of skilled Amiga users who could do this, I can only buy it :( and complain about lack of it ;).
BTW. This could very nice DIY package for sale. PCB + all components (some could be soldered, so it is easier) to make new mobo based on A1200 "architecture", later you get DIY graphic card, even later DIY sound card.
I'm quite sure there is PLENTY of people who are dreaming about soldering their own computer they actually can use, it is VERY original. Look at Raspberry... Amiga would be "better" since you could make it completely from scratch. I think I'm dreaming again.
Ideas are CHEAP, it is more difficult to make them happen :).
Send me the parts..I would love to do that type of project...so count me in on building Amigas at home.
Rich
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...Desktop PCs are dying out, they fallen out of popularity with the growth in laptop and handheld devices...
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Desktops are dying? Where did you made this observation?
Sure, people are saying that desktops PC are dying but it is loooooooooongest death possible (like 20 years...).
Many people don't need any more "towers" under (on top of it or on the side) their desks, since there is plenty of "iMac" like solutions, super small PC, PC on the stick (if you are from MN you know what I mean ;) ) etc. etc. and this kind of "boring PC" will die (or is dead today).
Today (and few years back) there is "new" trend in desktop PC's: computer CASE mods etc. Desktop PC is not only for power, but also for DIY mods, make it beautiful etc. thing... one reason why I use... Amiga (for sure not for it's best operating system ever made...or amazing software)
Don't tell me this is going to dye soon. There will be steady desire to make case mods, it is like car mods. It is only for few, but there is enough of this few to make it stable income for companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyjWXAY1n2M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBy9Mdo_2EA
BTW. Who on earth needs faster computers anymore? This is reason why desktops are dying. You can use 9 year old Core 2 Duo PC at home and it works GREAT! My CPU that is not that new anymore is like a hot knife in a butter on a hot day... even my old 680 GTX will do for next few years. If I want power to crunch some number, I go to my work server and get CPU time...
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Send me the parts..I would love to do that type of project...so count me in on building Amigas at home.
Rich
It will never happen :(, but that would be definitely amazing to "build" your own computer.
People got rights for 3.1 ROM, AmigaOS 3.1 etc. basically someone would need to produce few hundreds of GBA1000 mobos, sell them with all components + 3.1 ROM and AmigaOS3.1 floppies.
I think this could be even sold OUTSIDE of Amiga world. I really think there is plenty of people who would love to solder this kind of stuff.
BTW. This kind of project could result in divorce... I hope not!
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Desktops are dying? Where did you made this observation?
From the published sales figures and stock prices of every major PC manufacturer with the exception of Apple. ;)
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Desktops/Towers will never die out completely. The only thing to have for a serious workstation or top notch games machine.
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From the published sales figures and stock prices of every major PC manufacturer with the exception of Apple. ;)
This is oddly more akin to what others have said, there is a decrease in need for people to upgrade. Only people who are still upgrading their desktop systems more than every 5 years or so would be gamers, and even then you have some people that only play World of Warcraft, and it's not like that's a very demanding game in current computer terms.
Apple's stock prices aren't going up due to their cylinder computers, that's for sure...
Oddly when I was hired on at my current job, they supplied me with a Dell tower running Windows 7 with a xeon in it (so hardly a typical desktop computer) and a macbook pro (which I hate). Granted I setup up a dual boot of Debian on that Dell tower and use vmware on the mac to use Debian there, but the point is, companies still buy desktop systems for their employees, even when supplying them with laptops as well. So it's not dying by any means, people just don't need to upgrade that often anymore, or if they are, they upgrade the desktop they have instead of buying a new machine.
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Interesting topic :)
But I would like something to add.
Normally we will build V500/V1200/V4000 and lot of the things are done. I m satisfied how designing is going because we are doing lot of things in parallel. But it is only matter of time when project will go beyond being "just" an accelerator and become standalone system. In fact right now Vampire card with few soldered wires can behave as a standalone system. Right now no one can compete with our design and only right way to go is standalone system and that makes perfect sense. For standalone system we want to aim for much higher values than on accelerators. Start thinking about Apollo core and ASIC and start thinking about gigahertz 68k and lots of ram. For that part of the story we will need to find good and trusted partners and we made some good contacts so far.
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After all these great news about vampire, i was wandering how about a more powerful fpga chip and its effects on amiga when it comes to satisfy our actual daily computing needs... i guess i have my answer :-) keep strong majsta and team mates!
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Thanks for the info Majsta!
With modern ethernet and decent USB performance for fast filetransfer, Workbench 3.x can be quite viable to use day to day. Espesially if termills completes his Office package.
I spent several hours yesterday transfering files from my wintel machine, and the filecopy speed was rather painful.
Either way, Im a guarranteed customer for the A1200 Vampire, AND the standalone system. :)
EDIT;
And when I say "modern", I should probarly say "reasonable" level performance. Its important to remember this is a hobby level project, and Amiga WB 3.x is anicent OS with hobby level support from bedrom coders ;)
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I'd like some new FPGA hardware with PCI slots.
It makes more sense to use PCIe or mini PCIe.
Someone would need to write software for it, but they could also implement commodores RTG plan (in one of the PDFs floating around).
For extra bonus points implement the DSP and all the other AGA extras that they never had the time/money to do.
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I think many of us simply would like to have Amiga that can be USED like regular computer (WOW!). Comfortably.
What does it mean?
- browse internet
- write letter (or two)
- make few figures and tables
- make a presentation
- make a budget
- browse my pictures
- listen to music
- check email
- print from my wifi printer
- play Canon Fodder
Seriously, 99% of us do not need anything special (Amiga itself would be quite special... and that is one reason I'm using it).
Considering that Amiga users survived so long time I would assume there is quite large "customer base" to support development of NEW hardware/software.
Only problem I see is luck of coordination among people engaged in development of Amiga hardware and software. There are people who are more then capable to do "stuff"... it seems their efforts are kind off random as a whole, not as particular projects - here FULL respect to those who develop hardware - I would not be using Amiga without you... people! :) ). Please don't stop...
I think that current development of A1200 new case show how much people are interested in this kind of projects and in general "retro" Amiga's. Now, we need fast (and USEFUL) guts for this case.
Amiga can SURVIVE only as a some kind of DIY computer + system. Regular people have completely no interest in AmigaOS and Amiga never will be an Apple kind of alternative to people who want to be "different".
Question: How to make it happen? :D
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AFAIK they're going to be compatible with A1200 cases, too. Hence the huge demand for new A1200 cases (the big Kickstarter project from last year (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/a1200housing/new-amiga-1200-cases-made-from-new-molds)), etc. There's going to be another Kickstarter for keyboards, presumably after the cases ship.
Again, this makes zero sense to me.
Instead of being able to use one of the thousands of readily available cheap cases and keyboards, we need multiple kickstarters to make the boards usable (unless you happen to have a dead A500 laying around to cannibalize).
I don't know why people love the wedge. Yes, I had an A500 back in 1987, but I dumped that thing for an A2000/A3000 as soon as I could. The wedge cases weren't made because they were cool or trendy, they were made because they were cheap.
Why pick an A500/A1200 form factor over and A3000/A40000 for factor?
(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-108-424-02.jpg)
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@kreciu
Apollo/Vampire crew has gone about it in a smart way. They are quite informative, altho not overly so. They are quite available to the "common man" thru IRC (and some forum presence).
So people on IRC picking their brains will funnel the information onto forums, leaving the team to focus on development. Seems like a smart way to go about it.
People feel connected to the project since its very visible and open.
As far as development of the classic "scene". One of the things that annoys me is every program seems to be missing xyz library or third party program.
When I came back from my Amiga hibernation, reinstalling things, getting it to work, was quite annoying. Going thru SnoopDos, seeing whats missing, and figure out what to do.
There are packs that takes some of that grief out of the process, but I still wish the standard was that EVERYTHING you need to get X program to work is included in the archive/folder/installscript. So if I installed said program on a completely clean WB 3.1 system, it would work.
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Again, this makes zero sense to me.
Instead of being able to use one of the thousands of readily available cheap cases and keyboards, we need multiple kickstarters to make the boards usable (unless you happen to have a dead A500 laying around to cannibalize).
I don't know why people love the wedge. Yes, I had an A500 back in 1987, but I dumped that thing for an A2000/A3000 as soon as I could. The wedge cases weren't made because they were cool or trendy, they were made because they were cheap.
Why pick an A500/A1200 form factor over and A3000/A40000 for factor?
(http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/11-108-424-02.jpg)
Well, these days I favor Mini ITX or DTX cases, but I am with you on this.
Wedge cases with an incorporated keyboard make no sense.
I want my keyboard seperate from my system.
heck, I'm holding my desktop keyboard with one hand right now while typing.
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@kreciu
Apollo/Vampire crew has gone about it in a smart way. They are quite informative, altho not overly so. They are quite available to the "common man" thru IRC (and some forum presence).
So people on IRC picking their brains will funnel the information onto forums, leaving the team to focus on development. Seems like a smart way to go about it.
People feel connected to the project since its very visible and open.
As far as development of the classic "scene". One of the things that annoys me is every program seems to be missing xyz library or third party program.
When I came back from my Amiga hibernation, reinstalling things, getting it to work, was quite annoying. Going thru SnoopDos, seeing whats missing, and figure out what to do.
There are packs that takes some of that grief out of the process, but I still wish the standard was that EVERYTHING you need to get X program to work is included in the archive/folder/installscript. So if I installed said program on a completely clean WB 3.1 system, it would work.
http://www.geit.de/eng_grunch.html
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@kreciu
Apollo/Vampire crew has gone about it in a smart way.
I know, those people are AMAZING, to take a lead in their projects. What I'm trying to say we need some kind of "Steve or Bill" in Amiga World. We need a face of a "leader" and at this point there is nobody like that. Sorry!
One of the things that annoys me is every program seems to be missing xyz library or third party program.
Same here, I just come back after hibernation to Amiga and... trying to install ANYTHING is as your wrote. My personal favorite is: Folder will NOT be created or "Where should I install xcvcvd.xsf file" (and I have not IDEA what this file/program is for!). It is like I need to read manual to install software (stinks like a Linux :P). BTW. No, idea of using software is not about "go figure" how to install it.
I was happy to see, that AmigaStore is kind of curating software and installation process...
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http://www.geit.de/eng_grunch.html
Thanks!
Looks nice.
Tho when trying to start the program SnoopDos tells me I need to install
petunia.library, aros.library, cgxdither.library and NList.mcc
:)
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Thanks!
Looks nice.
Tho when trying to start the program SnoopDos tells me I need to install
petunia.library, aros.library, cgxdither.library and NList.mcc
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Petunia is the 68k emulator on OS4, what are you running this on?
The 68k version should just need MUI and NList.
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/mui38usr
http://aminet.net/package/dev/mui/MCC_NList-0.120
You probably don't even need to install NList as the version that comes as part of MUI should be enough to get it up and running I think.
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I installed NList and could start Grunch.
Looks like a nice program. Its currently scanning my System:
The A1200 isnt online atm, but I guess I should try to get that sorted.
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I installed NList and could start Grunch.
Looks like a nice program. Its currently scanning my System:
The A1200 isnt online atm, but I guess I should try to get that sorted.
Excellent!
The easiest way to get an A1200 online is with the prism2.device and a cheap pcmcia wifi card, CardPatch and CardReset from aminet (to work around hardware flaws in the A1200) and I really recommend using the Roadshow TCP/IP stack over any of the others.
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Excellent!
The easiest way to get an A1200 online is with the prism2.device and a cheap pcmcia wifi card, CardPatch and CardReset from aminet (to work around hardware flaws in the A1200) and I really recommend using the Roadshow TCP/IP stack over any of the others.
Well I would prefer RJ45 pcmcia card, coz connect Amiga over wifi means lowering security of your home wifi network OR getting right wifi card, upgrade and use WPA2, but it could be slow on Amigas with 030 or less. Roadshow is the best without doubt, but some can have problems to configure it w/o GUI.
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Well I would prefer RJ45 pcmcia card, coz connect Amiga over wifi means lowering security of your home wifi network OR getting right wifi card, upgrade and use WPA2, but it could be slow on Amigas with 030 or less. Roadshow is the best without doubt, but some can have problems to configure it w/o GUI.
cnet.device it is then. :)
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I ended up installing using the 3c589.device with cabled adapter+MiamiDX for TCP/IP.
Thanks to Mech that helped me via IRC chat on Apollo-team. Not only did he sell me a excellent PSU a few weeks ago. He topped it off spending several hours helping me out with setup of online related programs. Top notch guy :)
Grunch looks like a really nice program btw. Just what I was looking for!
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mech is the man!
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I ended up installing using the 3c589.device with cabled adapter+MiamiDX for TCP/IP.
Thanks to Mech that helped me via IRC chat on Apollo-team. Not only did he sell me a excellent PSU a few weeks ago. He topped it off spending several hours helping me out with setup of online related programs. Top notch guy :)
Grunch looks like a really nice program btw. Just what I was looking for!
Glad you got it up and running. Feels odd having such an old machine connected to the net at first i found! :)
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Aye :)
What I did notice when I installed OS 3.9 and Boing Bag 1-4; I want more RAAAM!
16 megabytes work somewhat, but I hooked it up to a 24 inch monitor, and increased Workbench to 32 colors.
Getting 128 megabytes for sure. (I know, it will be redundant whenever Vampire 1200 arrives, but thats probarly 6+ months away...?