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Title: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 01:35:31 AM
So I've got my A2000 with an A2091 SCSI card and have a SCSI cd rom drive installed. AsimCDFS sees the drive on SCSI 0 (hard drive is on SCSI 2) but after reboot when I put cd in drive nothing shows up on the workbench? I've placed the CD0 into the devs drawer. Am I missing a step?
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: giZmo350 on January 07, 2016, 01:45:05 AM
Excellent program but was a little tricky if you didn't have the manual....
Here it is in PDF format. Read it carefully :rtfm:

http://www.bombjack.org/commodore/amiga/applications/Asim_CDFS_Version_3_Users_Guide.pdf

I seem to remember that if changed the SCSI ID of the unit I would simply rerun the installation and save the config.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 01:51:28 AM
Did you edit the CD0 file to point to the correct device # and L: handler?
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 01:56:27 AM
No Mike, what should I do?
I have the "information" for the cd0 open as I type this.
Default tool has c:mount
Tooltypes has DONOTWAIT
And that's it
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 02:15:40 AM
Drop down to the shell and type:

Code: [Select]
cd devs:dosdrivers
ed CD0
Change the lines for Filesystem, Device, Unit, etc. to match your configuration.  Here's a screenshot of mine for reference, but obviously yours will be different:
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 02:28:11 AM
This is at the top of the list:

Device =SCSI.device
Unit =0
Mount =1
Should the mount not also be 0? It shows file system is AsimCDFS so that part is good.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 02:34:24 AM
Hummm, sounds right so far.  I think the 2091 identifies as 7, so 0-6 should be fine.  If you pop a CD in and do a "diskchange CD0:" at the shell, anything happen?

Or what about just a straight up "cd CD0:"?  If it's recognizing the drive at all it should say "no disk present", or something to that effect.

Is it a known-good drive?  Have you tested it on any other machines?

Edit - you might want to go back and review Gizmo's link to the manual.  I've been spoiled with CacheCDFS in 3.9, which "mostly works", "mostly better", haha. ;)  Probably some AsimCDFS quirks I'm not aware of, though.  :(
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 02:48:24 AM
Ok, cd cd0: comes back with nothing.

I'll do some reading and see what I can figure out. AsimCDFS has always worked on my 4000. So this is a bit different with scsi
Drive was working but no way of testing now. It does light up briefly when I insert a cd
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: QuikSanz on January 07, 2016, 05:05:38 AM
Um, I don't have one but is SCSI.device what the 2091 calls for?
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 05:41:03 AM
Quote from: QuikSanz;801598
Um, I don't have one but is SCSI.device what the 2091 calls for?

99% sure, yes.  ;)

As a side thought, what version ROM's are in your 2091?  You'll want at least 6.6.  7.0 are the latest (http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1161), although I've heard mention of some kind of "homebrew" 8.0 ROM's, as well.

I almost forgot I've still got a 2091 sitting on my shelf, I've gotten halfway through that SpeedGeek overclock mod (http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?14706-A2091-14Mhz-SCSI-mod) on it.  One of these days!  ;)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: gertsy on January 07, 2016, 06:02:50 AM
What OS ver are you using?  If its a later OS the settings are done in the tooltypes section of the icon information and not in the CD0 device file.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 06:10:38 AM
Quote from: gertsy;801601
What OS ver are you using?  If its a later OS the settings are done in the tooltypes section of the icon information and not in the CD0 device file.

What version are you talking about?  4.0?  :p
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: gertsy on January 07, 2016, 06:11:38 AM
3.9. ;)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 06:12:45 AM
Quote from: gertsy;801604
3.9. ;)

Buzz!  Wrong answer!  :p

(http://www.icacidaho.org/images/SorryIncorrect.gif)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 06:15:28 AM
Haha, just messing with ya.  You could probably do it either way, but for the sake of consistency here, let's stick with the actual file, eh?  Trust me, I run 3.9 all day long, and I'm looking at a file as I type this.  ;)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: gertsy on January 07, 2016, 06:19:53 AM
Well I can tell you mine is in the tooltypes section of the CD0: Icon information.  Considering its not working the conventional way perhaps tony can try it and see. :)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 06:27:55 AM
Quote from: gertsy;801608
Well I can tell you mine is in the tooltypes section of the CD0: Icon information.  Considering its not working the conventional way perhaps tony can try it and see. :)

So you're saying you have no mount file in your Devs: Dosdrivers at all?  Just the .info files?  I don't believe it could possibly work that way.  But if it does for you...  :laughing:
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 02:35:02 PM
Im using OS3.1
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: mechy on January 07, 2016, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: tonyvdb;801626
Im using OS3.1


Remember asim uses the cd0: icon in storage not in devs/dos drivers.
check storage/dosdrivers/cd0(or whatever its named) for the right device number.. if you picked CD0 in the asim install, it sets unit number to 0.. if you select cd2 its 2,etc. remove any cd0 or anything from devs:dosdrivers.
is the scsi cd drive known to be a working drive?
some old scsi cdroms had very buggy firmwares but i suspect its not that.
when testing use a pressed cd,not a copy you made,again some buggy firmwares in drives dont like some burned cd's
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 07, 2016, 05:37:24 PM
Quote from: mechy;801653
Remember asim uses the cd0: icon in storage not in devs/dos drivers.
check storage/dosdrivers/cd0(or whatever its named) for the right device number.. if you picked CD0 in the asim install, it sets unit number to 0.. if you select cd2 its 2,etc. remove any cd0 or anything from devs:dosdrivers.

Really? On the 4000 you have to put the CD0 into the dosdrivers drawer. Im confused.
Quote
is the scsi cd drive known to be a working drive?

It was working last time it was used.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: scuzzb494 on January 07, 2016, 05:39:44 PM
Quote from: tonyvdb;801585
This is at the top of the list:

Device =SCSI.device
Unit =0
Mount =1
Should the mount not also be 0? It shows file system is AsimCDFS so that part is good.


I have no CD0 in my Devs. AsimCDFS is run from your user-startup. Open the user-startup from S with a text editor and see if you have a line starting ;BEGIN AsimCDFS

There are two folders in Workbench one called AsimCDFS and the other AsimCDFS Buffer

In the main folder you will be able set the prefs

Like...

CD0
asim.atapi.device
Unit#: 001
Autostart DC: 2+partitions
Change Path AsimCDFS:Dis
Autoboot Never
rest empty

Get DOpus on your machine so you can interogate folders, files, icons etc without having to keep opening folders. Icons are not always visible. You can also use the Configure function to see what drives are mounted.

When you mount the CD you should get the diskchanger window for ISO9660 or Juliet.

My guess is that you have a conflict at the moment between two mounting procedures and one is cancelling the other.

Mine works fine with AsimCDFS.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on January 07, 2016, 05:41:22 PM
Quote from: mechy;801653
Remember asim uses the cd0: icon in storage not in devs/dos drivers

Wow, that's crazy.  :angry:

Also what ROM version on your 2091?  Not sure the exact nature of the fixes but if you read the BBOAH link (http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1161) it says at the bottom that 7.0 "fixed removable media recognition".
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: mechy on January 07, 2016, 06:15:00 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;801656
Wow, that's crazy.  :angry:

Also what ROM version on your 2091?  Not sure the exact nature of the fixes but if you read the BBOAH link (http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.com/bboah/product.aspx?id=1161) it says at the bottom that 7.0 "fixed removable media recognition".

good point, the wd33c93 -04 also sometimes had problems with more than 1 drive.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: delshay on January 07, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Quote from: scuzzb494;801655
I have no CD0 in my Devs. AsimCDFS is run from your user-startup. Open the user-startup from S with a text editor and see if you have a line starting ;BEGIN AsimCDFS

There are two folders in Workbench one called AsimCDFS and the other AsimCDFS Buffer

In the main folder you will be able set the prefs

Like...

CD0
asim.atapi.device
Unit#: 001
Autostart DC: 2+partitions
Change Path AsimCDFS:Dis
Autoboot Never
rest empty

Get DOpus on your machine so you can interogate folders, files, icons etc without having to keep opening folders. Icons are not always visible. You can also use the Configure function to see what drives are mounted.

When you mount the CD you should get the diskchanger window for ISO9660 or Juliet.

My guess is that you have a conflict at the moment between two mounting procedures and one is cancelling the other.

Mine works fine with AsimCDFS.


AsimCDFS: during installation it is best to let the program detect your device. You should see it during installation, then the program saves it in the user-startup.

you must find your device during installation otherwise it will not work, unless you know how to EDIT the user-startup.

MasterISO which also works with AsimCDFS also saves its configuration in the user-startup.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 08, 2016, 04:07:34 AM
Ok, so I got it working. I changed my hard drive to be device 0 and the CD-ROM drive to be device 1 re ran AsimCDFS And all is good.
The a2091 is revision 6.6 rom
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: giZmo350 on January 08, 2016, 04:10:41 AM
Quote from: tonyvdb;801709
Ok, so I got it working. I changed my hard drive to be device 0 and the CD-ROM drive to be device 1 re ran AsimCDFS And all is good.
The a2091 is revision 6.6 rom


You're welcome! :)
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: gertsy on January 08, 2016, 05:50:34 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;801609
So you're saying you have no mount file in your Devs: Dosdrivers at all?  Just the .info files?  I don't believe it could possibly work that way.  But if it does for you...  :laughing:


No, now you're being silly. Just the parameters "device=device.type" and "unit=n", IIRC, Maybe something about active too.  But I could be thinking of IDEFIX.
Never knew about Asim using the device under storage. Perhaps they thought storage meant actual storage devices. LOL.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: scuzzb494 on January 08, 2016, 11:37:20 AM
Quote from: tonyvdb;801654
Really? On the 4000 you have to put the CD0 into the dosdrivers drawer. Im confused.

It was working last time it was used.


Quick tip. Write down everything that happened in a way you can fully understand. Write all files to an adf format and store off the computer. Also save any pages and sites you may have visited to discuss the issue.

You really never want to be scratching your head regarding a similar problem. Also it helps when someone else has an issue.

Well done. Half the fun is solving the problems.
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: tonyvdb on January 08, 2016, 02:21:51 PM
Thank you to all who participated in this thread, it was very helpful
Title: Re: SCSI cd rom with AsimCDFS
Post by: delshay on January 11, 2016, 09:23:36 AM
If I remember correctly if at first the device is not detected, you can run the software as many times you want, it should edit/overwrite the user start-up for you.

the only problem I had with this software is it does not show list of audio files when using a SCSI DVD rom drive, but works fine with a normal drive.

Software needs an update as MasterISO needs it to work correctly. As far as I know only SCSI DVD drive is affected.

It can still play audio files, but list of tracks is not listed and this is where MasterISO fails, as tracks are not listed and audio files can't be edited from MasterISO.