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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: tonyvdb on December 11, 2015, 10:52:06 PM
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.[/QUOTE
They were affordable(the 7720u,7722,7720uw etc) were affordable and downright cheap on the used market for many years, but they have been snapped up by everyone and are more costly now. the 7730a was for 68pin uwscsi to sata. i currently use it in my 4k with a samsung 850 pro ssd. there is the same thing under addonics name(i think i got it for $79? new a year or 2 ago). addonics # is ADSALVD160 just a rebadged acard. the firmware upgrades work on it from acard site. you might find a good price with some google digging. any of the above would work to use a cf in a ide to cf adapter(except 7730a and addonics which is sata).
another option might be:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CF-AztecMonster-CF-3-5inc-SCSI-Converter-New-Condition-for-Vintage-Computer-/301820877738?hash=item4645ed1baa:g:F3MAAOSw1XdUXEEp
Not any cheaper though ;/
I dont think the scsi2sd will work for a flyer, its pretty darn slow:
http://shop.codesrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=58
i think amigakit sells these cheaper,at least i believe it to be the same thing. they run maybe 2 MB/s so it may be too slow for video.
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A few users have reported problems with the AztecMonster on some SCSI controllers. For instance, I can't get it working on my A3000. I'm going to give it a try on my CSPPC however. There's another board by the maker of the AztecMonster that's a direct SATA adapter, meaning it plugs into a SATA drive like the ACard. The same seller on eBay has them.
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.
another option might be:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CF-AztecMonster-CF-3-5inc-SCSI-Converter-New-Condition-for-Vintage-Computer-/301820877738?hash=item4645ed1baa:g:F3MAAOSw1XdUXEEp
That's an option for sure but not really cheap. I do like that it's all in one with the CF card. I guess some more research is needed.
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This one looks interesting,
https://www.itead.cc/scsi2sd.html?gclid=CNrusevv28kCFQEaaQodc4EACA
Would the transfer rate be fast enough, Any thoughts?
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This one looks interesting,
https://www.itead.cc/scsi2sd.html?gclid=CNrusevv28kCFQEaaQodc4EACA
Would the transfer rate be fast enough, Any thoughts?
That is the same thing i showed above, amigakit sells them now and a host of others.. they only do around 2MB/s i believe.
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2mb per second, I wonder if thats fast enough? What was the old SCSI 2 transfer rate on the flyer card?
Here is the data I found on the flyer:
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/flyer
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Confirmed, we now have them in stock: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1264
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Anyone tried one of these in an A590? I would love to pull my Mechy multi-card reader out of the A590 and pop it into my A2000. :)
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My concern is the transfer speed, its only 2.5mbps where SCSI2 is between 10 - 20mbps
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This one looks interesting,
https://www.itead.cc/scsi2sd.html?gclid=CNrusevv28kCFQEaaQodc4EACA
Would the transfer rate be fast enough, Any thoughts?
check the disk speed of your current setup. maybe use it to compare. Other wise the only way to know is to buy one and try it :)
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The Aztec works fine in my A3000. I have the newer SCSI chip, and I had to disable termination. After I got that working (about 3.75MB/s), I put it on my Warp040 board's SCSI... now I get 8MB/s. :)
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The SCSI2SD replacement isn't fast. I have one in a A500 with A590; it is noticably slower than the 2 GB SCSI drive I replaced it with. The quiet operation makes up for the lack of speed in my case though.
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@doctorq
Thanks for the info... good to know! :)
giZmo
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The Aztec works fine in my A3000. I have the newer SCSI chip, and I had to disable termination. After I got that working (about 3.75MB/s), I put it on my Warp040 board's SCSI... now I get 8MB/s. :)
Those should be pretty fast since he just integrated the acard 7720 with a cf into 1 board. some people have reported problems with them,but hard to tell if it was just a termination issue or missing term power(diode d800 on 3000 bad or wrong way round?). Might even be the firmware rev.
It is too bad there is not a $50 version of it. Maybe someone should build one(hint jim hint hint) :)
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Has anyone tried the AztecMonster on a FastlaneZ3?
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.[/QUOTE
They were affordable(the 7720u,7722,7720uw etc) were affordable and downright cheap on the used market for many years, but they have been snapped up by everyone and are more costly now. the 7730a was for 68pin uwscsi to sata. i currently use it in my 4k with a samsung 850 pro ssd. there is the same thing under addonics name(i think i got it for $79? new a year or 2 ago). addonics # is ADSALVD160 just a rebadged acard. the firmware upgrades work on it from acard site. you might find a good price with some google digging. any of the above would work to use a cf in a ide to cf adapter(except 7730a and addonics which is sata).
another option might be:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CF-AztecMonster-CF-3-5inc-SCSI-Converter-New-Condition-for-Vintage-Computer-/301820877738?hash=item4645ed1baa:g:F3MAAOSw1XdUXEEp
Not any cheaper though ;/
I dont think the scsi2sd will work for a flyer, its pretty darn slow:
http://shop.codesrc.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=58
i think amigakit sells these cheaper,at least i believe it to be the same thing. they run maybe 2 MB/s so it may be too slow for video.
Hi, I have bought acard 7730a and samsung 850 pro 128gb but my CSMKIII (DCE rev.4) does not find the hd. I´ve formatted hd in winuae, used two active terminators on both sides but nothing shows up in hdtoolbox or the scsi tool. Can you please share how you did the setup?
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.
Value is something subjective, I don't mind spending $150 USD for a decent solution.
I went with Acards Solutions. The 2000SUP, has a nice enclosure case and is well built. Performance is really nice, on my CS MK III I have an SSD yielding 27 m/ps and on my 3000D SCSI controller will yield over 4 m/ps. The acards come in a 50pin and 68pin solution, that look and perform very well.
The only issue with the Acard is that my SSD (OWC) refuses to work on the warp engine (NCR SCSI).
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Has anyone tried the AztecMonster on a FastlaneZ3?
Do the AztecMonsters work on Amiga now? (I know, its nearly 2017, I just wanted to know if any progress has been made)
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I still swear by my ACARD. You can get the one that shows its only for CD/DVD drives (7722) and remove the bios and reflash it of you have a programmer. Its more work but will save you about $40-$60 depending on the ebay sellers.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-aCard-IDE-to-LVD-SCSi-Bridge-Adapter-NEW-97P6764-/331649971387?hash=item4d37e0f4bb:g:19oAAOSwFnFV76s7
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I still swear by my ACARD. You can get the one that shows its only for CD/DVD drives (7722) and remove the bios and reflash it of you have a programmer. Its more work but will save you about $40-$60 depending on the ebay sellers.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-aCard-IDE-to-LVD-SCSi-Bridge-Adapter-NEW-97P6764-/331649971387?hash=item4d37e0f4bb:g:19oAAOSwFnFV76s7
Now if I could just find a SCSI-to-SATA for less than $200.
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I have an Acard IDE to SCSI adapter I used to use in my A3000 but don't need it anymore so I'm giving it to a friend who has a BPPC plus SCSI.
What (If any) cable/adapter will he need to use it on the BPPC? He has the cable the came with it that connects to the header and provides an external SCSI port.
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Now if I could just find a SCSI-to-SATA for less than $200.
Do what I do, ACARD with an IDE to SATA adapter for my SSD. Works perfectly fine.
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tony
being a former toaster flyer dealer id say that the bandwidth on that scsi to sd is not enough for proper flyer data transfer. Stick with a real scsi drive. I have some a/v rated flyer drives if you need one. SSD is fancy and great but the performance will be immaterial for your usage on flyer for data transfer rates standard scsi drives are fine. The only thing i can see is for the quiet or cool angle.
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So been thinking with SSD drives becoming the norm I was going to try one on my Video Toaster Flyer. Is there such a thing as an affordable SCSI to SATA adapter? Ive seen some but they are well over $100 and that seems outrageous.
This is something I am planning to do with my 4000T/Flyer setup. I'm trying to keep everything in the A4000T case and keep noise/heat/power to a minimum. (3) 2.5" SSD drives for the flyer definitely help accomplish that :)
I've been looking at ACard's for a while and the SATA > SCSI ones are expensive and I have yet to see one on eBay at a less than retail price.
I'm using an IDE > SCSI ACard on an IDE SSD drive (connected to the WarpEngine4040's SCSI) for an Amiga drive. The IDE > SCSI ACards can found on eBay for less than retail, but IDE SSD drives are about twice what a similar SATA SSD drive costs.
I may have to look at the suggestion Acill made on using an SATA>IDE adapter between a SATA SSD drive and an IDE>SCSI ACard.....