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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Iggy on October 03, 2015, 03:17:34 AM
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And the first Amiga related website (as far as I know) to reference this:
https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1082048695138848&id=447768335233557&set=a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557&source=48&refid=13
Would appear to be MorphZone oddly enough.
Not bad pricing either.
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I'm glad it's finally coming out.
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So, are we going to get an affordable machine after this one?
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So, are we going to get an affordable machine after this one?
Affordable custom PPC in low production numbers? :confused:
No :) better do not make a bet on it
Seriously... it cannot be "affordable", only when using off-the-shelf mass produced hardware
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I lower cost machine may have been hiding in plain site recently ;)
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The case will be the same as the X1000?
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So, are we going to get an affordable machine after this one?
The X5000 is definitely a step in that direction.
And I believe we are going to receive a reduced cost board, but I can not confirm that and will not post rumors.
I look forward to trying the lower cost X5000, under MorphOS and possibly OS4.1.
I also hope we will have dual OS support for a further cost reduced board.
And whatever X64 board the MorphOS team eventually moves to should also be relatively low cost.
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As I doubt that there will be a machine that costs less than 1000 Euro, I will happily wait for MorphOS x86. I am not in a hurry.
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congrats again to A-Eon for the successful completion of the successor to the A1-X1000! More REAL NEW hardware for our favourite OS is aweosme news (http://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_drink.gif) (http://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_thanks.gif) (http://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_dance.gif)
I use my X1000 everyday and never once regretted selling my Samflex@800 (Samflex@800) to get it! Now both AmigaOS and MorphOS have a solid standard future platform to build on (http://amigaworld.net/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
So, are we going to get an affordable machine after this one?
huh, you've got ACube with the A1-500/ Sam 460 if you're looking for 'more affordable'. A-Eon has always said it won't be competing with ACube on that front
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So pricing starts from £1699 = $4000 NZD. LOL Hopefully people will start ditching their X1000s for cheap, but knowing Amigaland prolly not.
Nevermind, another machine that will sell in small numbers. Only good thing is new hardware, but yet again behind the spec curve.
Go specific PC hardware instead, lock the BIOS for AmigaOS and suddenly superfast cheap hardware appears.
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Given that this is custom hardware in low production volumes, I'd say that's damn cheap.
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So pricing starts from £1699 = $4000 NZD.
Tyan ATX with 4-core Power8 (passive heatsink)
+4GB DDR3 1600MHz +500GB 3.5" HDD - $2850
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/
Motherboard
SP010GM2NR , ATX 12" x 9.6" (304.8 x 235.2mm)
Processor
(1) IBM® Power 8 4-core Turismo SCM processor
Memory
(4) 240-pin R-DDR3 1600/1333 MHz w ECC DIMM sockets
Expansion Slots
(1) PCI-E Gen3 x16 slot
(1) PCI-E Gen3 x8 slot
Integrated LAN controllers
(2) GbE ports (via BMC5718)
Storage
(4) SATA -III 6.0Gb/s ports (Marvell 88SE9235, No-RAID support)
Rear I/O
(2) GbE RJ45
(1) Stacked dual-port USB 3.0
(1) Stacked COM port and VGA port
(1) ID LED button
AST2400 iBMC w/iKVM (IPMI v2.0 compliant) (Currently No-Function)
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Tyan ATX with 4-core Power8 (passive heatsink)
+4GB DDR3 1600MHz +500GB 3.5" HDD - $2850
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/...
Development board.
Not bad for Power8 though.
BTW - I do believe a sub 1000 euro board is possible, but I would not be as nice as the X5000.
I'm not sure commodity hardware will be as appealing to me as this custom hardware.
Weird, but true.
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huh, you've got ACube with the A1-500/ Sam 460 if you're looking for 'more affordable'. A-Eon has always said it won't be competing with ACube on that front
Maybe the next product after the Sam460 is a collaboration between the two companies.
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The case will be the same as the X1000?
The case Amigakit had at Amiga 30 UK was a different type to the one use for the X1000 and it was branded too so not just any old case they had to hand.
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I use my X1000 everyday and never once regretted selling my Samflex@800 (Samflex@800) to get it! Now both AmigaOS and MorphOS have a solid standard future platform to build on
As far as I know, Morphos will move on to a more accessible platform, most probably x86.
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Tyan ATX with 4-core Power8 (passive heatsink)
+4GB DDR3 1600MHz +500GB 3.5" HDD - $2850
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/
Now that sounds more interesting, and a good price too!
As far as I know, Morphos will move on to a more accessible platform, most probably x86.
If MorphOS does that it will be a game changer, long time coming though. I can finally ditch my crappy old Mac and build a nice PC instead. Fantastic.
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Yup. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if many people who would love to get an X5000 to run Amiga OS decide to get the "next best thing" instead and buy a cheap x86 to run MorphOS x86, very, very fast. I wonder if they Hyperion will decide to take the same direction then.... Just thinking out loud here of course.
Just to be clear, I have nothing against X1000, X5000 and similar endeavors. It is just that at the asking price these do not interest me. If I had 500,000 Euro sitting casually in my bank account, I'd get one though :)
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Why only USB 2.0? It's almost 2016.
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Why only USB 2.0? It's almost 2016.
e5500(or e6500, for that matter) based SoCs only support USB 2.0. Since it's not a consumer oriented product, it's not a big drawback for it's intentional market and primary use.
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e5500(or e6500, for that matter) based SoCs only support USB 2.0. Since it's not a consumer oriented product, it's not a big drawback for it's intentional market and primary use.
not to mention that, at least for the moment, neither AOS4 nor MOS support USB 3.0. and once that changes, we can always add a PCIe card for that. :)
-- eliyahu
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Maybe the next product after the Sam460 is a collaboration between the two companies.
THAT is not as far out as some might think.
Lets see, there are cheaper e5500 cored cpus than those used in the X5000.
A-eon doesn't cater to the lower end of the market.
But A-eon and Varisys now have built an e5500 based machine.
Ah, speculation...fun, but its still pure fantasy.
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not to mention that, at least for the moment, neither AOS4 nor MOS support USB 3.0. and once that changes, we can always add a PCIe card for that. :)
-- eliyahu
That is a long time ago somebody mentioned usb 3 for the Amiga:
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=5637&order=
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@Bennymee
hence my 'at least for the moment' comment. ;)
-- eliyahu
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As far as I know, Morphos will move on to a more accessible platform, most probably x86.
I don't know what they're waiting for...although, I'm not privy to any inside information by any means, they may be working on it as I type this. with that said, it would be nice to dump my 11 and 12 year old hardware and build a really nice Intel/AMD x86 based system to run MOS on.
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I lower cost machine may have been hiding in plain site recently ;)
Cue the 180 degree turn around when the OS4 faithful realise the machines in question are second hand laptops from Apple and page after page of justifications of why second hand hardware is now wonderful despite it being terrible when MorphOS was first demonstrated running on the same hardware.
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Cue the 180 degree turn around when the OS4 faithful realise the machines in question are second hand laptops from Apple and page after page of justifications of why second hand hardware is now wonderful despite it being terrible when MorphOS was first demonstrated running on the same hardware.
Funny, I like my "second hand" laptop (an iBook) under MorphOS.
And I'm old enough to still carry some baggage about Wintel machines.
Although I've been resigned to them.
By the way, what makes everyone think that an ISA shift will cure our problems?
Our problems aren't really hardware related.
You should all remember this.
Its lack of software.
And no, old Amiga apps don't count.
Look at today's announcement, Hyperion is retooling an over decade old title for OS4.
B-F-D.
Abbie Hoffman suggested running for office.
My suggestion, you want an answer to our problems, learn to code.
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By the way, what makes everyone think that an ISA shift will cure our problems?
Our problems aren't really hardware related.
You should all remember this.
Its lack of software.
And no, old Amiga apps don't count.
An ISA switch may help the Amiga "hardware" problem but it makes the "software" problem worse. Even developers which want to support the Amiga after looking at the small market will wonder how they will develop for all of the following.
AmigaOS 3.x 68k (includes UAE, FPGA Arcade, Mist, etc.)
AmigaOS 4.x PPC
MorphOS PPC
MorphOS x86
AROS 68k
AROS x86
AROS ARM
There is no single compiler install which can target all of these platforms and testing would be ridiculous. The amount of pre-processor conditionals for all the different APIs, ISAs and ABIs is already out of control when trying to support them all with a single source. We need standards and consolidation for the Amiga not more dilution and fragmentation.
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An ISA switch may help the Amiga "hardware" problem but it makes the "software" problem worse.
Not necessarily. Once applications are in a higher language, you would only need to recompile. It is the API that matters, not the microprocessor.
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the Amiga
In Amiga land it's not so clear what that actually is. Camp A says it's this, Camp B says it's that, and Camp C says it's something else.
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Once applications are in a higher language,
and the source code is well preserved and accessible under some kind of (open) license, except a rare case when the developer hasnt yet left the scene and is willing to recompile his software himself. i dont know if such software will ever be of any significant quantity on amiga-oid systems. but then one can just repeat a linux port from the scratch.
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Not necessarily. Once applications are in a higher language, you would only need to recompile. It is the API that matters, not the microprocessor.
And..the MorphOS x64 API will lack legacy support, so that completely shoots the "you can just re-compile it" argument.
Not that that was ever really true.
The current fiasco over MUI proves that.
OS4=Reaction, AROS=Zune, MorphOS=MUI
All issues that have to be addressed when porting.
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An ISA switch may help the Amiga "hardware" problem but it makes the "software" problem worse. Even developers which want to support the Amiga after looking at the small market will wonder how they will develop for all of the following.
AmigaOS 3.x 68k (includes UAE, FPGA Arcade, Mist, etc.)
AmigaOS 4.x PPC
MorphOS PPC
MorphOS x86
AROS 68k
AROS x86
AROS ARM
There is no single compiler install which can target all of these platforms and testing would be ridiculous. The amount of pre-processor conditionals for all the different APIs, ISAs and ABIs is already out of control when trying to support them all with a single source. We need standards and consolidation for the Amiga not more dilution and fragmentation.
-Grin- I hope there are more and more flavours. :D
I wish WinUAE and Amithlon is in the list :D : D :):):) Hehehe
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And..the MorphOS x64 API will lack legacy support, so that completely shoots the "you can just re-compile it" argument.
Not that that was ever really true.
The current fiasco over MUI proves that.
OS4=Reaction, AROS=Zune, MorphOS=MUI
All issues that have to be addressed when porting.
Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.
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Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.
Yes we all love AROS too.
Especially when it lacks specific features or crashes.
Don't be so quick to welcome us to your ISA.
We just might do it better than you.
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Yes we all love AROS too.
Especially when it lacks specific features or crashes.
Don't be so quick to welcome us to your ISA.
We just might do it better than you.
You know....I hope you do ;). If AROS is an incentive to make you guys compete and do better than ever before then it have done it's job very well :) By the way, if you guys do better than AROS or as you say "We might do it better than you." I will gladly buy a copy of MorphOS even if I did already buy one for my iBook G4. I will gladly spend 150 or 170 euro without hesitation and register an x86 version....as long as you promise that you will do it better than AROS and kick AROS butt...why not? What do I lose? :)
Competition is healthy...very healthy actually...monopoly destroy itself and everyone around....so I want AROS to be the incentive the carrot so to speak for the MorphOS team to do better and better each time :)
However....one cannot deny though...that AmigaOS 4.x is seriously moving very fast in behind the ball game........i have the feeling if AROS and MorphOS compete against each other and one tries to out do the other in the end....AmigaOS 4.x will be the losing game.....and we will have the two BEST AmigaOS alternative out there for the x86 and if AROS merges with MorphOS and still have a kick ass Amiga alternative OS for x86...is till does not change the fact...that AmigaOS 4.1 will die...and die badly....
I am happy to hear that.
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Cue the 180 degree turn around when the OS4 faithful realise the machines in question are second hand laptops from Apple and page after page of justifications of why second hand hardware is now wonderful despite it being terrible when MorphOS was first demonstrated running on the same hardware.
Tell me what Apple hardware this is.
(http://s17.postimg.org/6ddeiwmlb/Mystery_Machine.jpg)
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AROS is the only one running on 3-5 different architectures, depending on how you count.
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Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64 ;)
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Tell me what Apple hardware this is.
(http://s17.postimg.org/6ddeiwmlb/Mystery_Machine.jpg)
Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?
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Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64 ;)
No, I can guarantee that is not the case.
The use of Apple hardware was dictated by the need for a PPC processor.
And, what will be needed for an X64 move is a system that will remain available for a few years.
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You know....I hope you do ;). If AROS is an incentive to make you guys compete and do better than ever before then it have done it's job very well :) By the way, if you guys do better than AROS or as you say "We might do it better than you." I will gladly buy a copy of MorphOS even if I did already buy one for my iBook G4. I will gladly spend 150 or 170 euro without hesitation and register an x86 version....as long as you promise that you will do it better than AROS and kick AROS butt...why not? What do I lose? :)
Competition is healthy...very healthy actually...monopoly destroy itself and everyone around....so I want AROS to be the incentive the carrot so to speak for the MorphOS team to do better and better each time :)
However....one cannot deny though...that AmigaOS 4.x is seriously moving very fast in behind the ball game........i have the feeling if AROS and MorphOS compete against each other and one tries to out do the other in the end....AmigaOS 4.x will be the losing game.....and we will have the two BEST AmigaOS alternative out there for the x86 and if AROS merges with MorphOS and still have a kick ass Amiga alternative OS for x86...is till does not change the fact...that AmigaOS 4.1 will die...and die badly....
I am happy to hear that.
I tend to agree with you on most of this.
OS4 graphics support recently has been fairly remarkable.
But they may have bit off more than they can chew with the specs they want for 4.2.
And placing an AROS machine next to an OS4 machine can be a little unfair (it looks good).
But my point was, in order to move forward we need to change, not try to keep emulating 3.1 or tacking things on to that base.
I love working with PPC MorphOS, but I'm beginning to look forward to the X64 transition because I'm TIRED of being told we are in competition.
Frankly, we have three OS' with a common root that are diverging.
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Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?
It's not my hardware, I just took the photo. Maybe a backplate isn't ready or perhaps it was left open for those who were a little more inquisitve.
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The back plates tend to come after the motherboards in the AmigaNG world.
The picture kind of looks familiar but my lips are sealed :).
Obviously not Apple hardware, but didn't you get an I/O back plate with that motherboard?
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Rob
they should have sealed your lips and camera too.
It's not my hardware, I just took the photo. Maybe a backplate isn't ready or perhaps it was left open for those who were a little more inquisitve.
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LOL.
It was their choice to put it in a public space.
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Chances are, that MorphOS will only support Apple hardware on x86_64 ;)
I hope not. I hope that is not true. If it is then we went no where. It is still a very expensive x86_64 that is not affordable to my budget.
However, what I like about MorphOS however is the fact that it is a commercial product and not free. Some people would look at me like I am crazy when I say this, but I will tell you why my statement is not only not crazy, but full of sanity, common sense and legit in all regards.
Because MorphOS is commercial, you ending up supporting the developers which increases development of the OS by: adding new features fasters, bug fixes faster and so on. I would go as far as pay for a browser if it means there will be releases of the browser faster with youtube/video streaming feature, bug fixes faster, new features faster...heck be at least as close to modern browser's latest version. If paying means this possible instead of waiting 1 to 2 years for a new version then I will do it in a heart beat and would love it...if it is commercial.
People would say look at Linux...it is free and there is...I would say stop right there...we all know why we can't compare Linux with a very niche and hobby market like MorphOS/AROS.
All I an saying that due to the niche market and due to the small amount of people in the community...if we really want to support MorphOS and even AROS ...we should consider having majority of the software being commercial...especially the ones we take for granted as free like Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer, and FireFox....such as browsers as well in a niche market and even the OS have to be commercial. That to me is the only way we can enforce support for people who wish to use these apps and operating systems.
I know people would hate me for saying this....but CD key activation that checks online if you are the legit buyer of the OS like MorphOS is doing but even more securer and done in all their commercial apps...I would love that and be happy with it. If it means limiting or hindering piracy which in itself will hurt the small community, I will be smiling with joy. If I cannot afford such app...then I have to make money first then buy it.
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All I an saying that due to the niche market and due to the small amount of people in the community...if we really want to support MorphOS and even AROS ...we should consider having majority of the software being commercial...especially the ones we take for granted as free like Chrome, Safari, Internet Explorer, and FireFox....such as browsers as well in a niche market and even the OS have to be commercial. That to me is the only way we can enforce support for people who wish to use these apps and operating systems.
+1. I would gladly shell out $$ for even an update to IBrowse for classic systems, but when we don't have coders to work on it... *sigh*
TL;DR. More people need to put their money where their mouths are if they really want to see progress. :(
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Weeeeee I am so happy there are three different OS's Hehehe by the way I loooovee aros here. You guys are aware that if AmigaOS.4.1 does not jump to x86 soon....it will lose the battle and die a horrible death. I hope X5000 is x86 or else ouch.
I see you're relatively new here so I'm assuming you've missed the many thousands of threads speaking of this jump to x86 in the past and luckily you missed out on the various 'Amiga Camp' wars which unfortunately only divided and hurt our community.
AROS has been around for quite a while running on very cheap x86 hardware configs and the cheapest of all the Amiga OS's being free and open source to boot. I have evangelized it to many of my non-Amiga friends over the years as the alternative to Main stream x86 options. When I ask these people how they are enjoying the AROS experience they all tell me it's 'nice' or 'cute' or something to that effect and never get drawn into it for an extended period of time.
This is the where I fail to understand how any Amiga flavour OS will benefit from moving to x86! Unless a person has a connection with Amiga in the past then they won't want to understand why they should use this niche OS when an already free open source OS does everything they need already for many many years (you know the one that Linus dude started).
for every hobby I have I am 'connected' in it with my time and money and most importantly my passion for the hobby. You cannot force people to enjoy a hobby.
I have friends that spend enormous amounts of money that make me cringe on radio controlled planes and models and let's not talk about those that are into classic cars restoration lol
Theses same people still understand why I enjoy spending time and money keeping my various Amiga's and 8 bit machines still running and also my passion for AmigaNG developments.
IMHO cheap hardware and x86 isn't the answer.
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Tell me what Apple hardware this is.
(http://s17.postimg.org/6ddeiwmlb/Mystery_Machine.jpg)
Ooops, looks like I've let the cat out of the bag Rob......
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I'm lost here... what's that photo, and what is it running?
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I'm lost here... what's that photo, and what is it running?
Efika running OS4 I think.
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Interesting. What's next, OS4 running on top of G4 Mac Minis :)
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A lot of us have been clamouring for Hyperion to release a version of AmigaOS 4 for ARM based systems for years. Many many years.
PowerPC is very nice and all that, but the truth is that it is very expensive and niche. Amiga boards are actually dual-purpose embedded system hardware - so hopefully very reliable, but also gaining all the downsides of those systems (lack of features, etc).
We all know that it's not going to happen, but AROS is migrating to lots of systems right now, and is looking pretty useful. Barrier to entry is very low. RISC OS probably has far more users now because of the Raspberry Pi than AmigaOS ever wlil (and no, the RPi is clearly not going to be as good as an A1 X5000, but the order of magnitude price difference (nearly two orders of magnitude) is a major bonus.
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Wrong .
Efika running OS4 I think.
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Wrong .
All of it is wrong?
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Cant see what it is running from the photo.:)
But ain't no Efika.:)
All of it is wrong?
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Naughty Rob.
Stop talking about it.
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Interesting. What's next, OS4 running on top of G4 Mac Minis :)
PowerBook G4's.
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I'm sure A-Eon won't be too fond of that :P
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https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd?fref=nf
if anyone gets there in person or can see a video watch Christian's demonstration very carefully.
Amiga30th Anniversary Event, Neuss, Germany
Where: Rheinische Landestheater, Neuss,
When: Saturday, October 10, 2015
Come to the A-EON Technology display area to meet A-EON co-founder Trevor Dickinson and see:-
* A demonstration of the AmigaOne X5000 & AmigaOne X1000 by AmigaOS 4 beta tester Dennis Zweedijk.
* A special Debian 8 Jessie PowerPC SPE demonstration by Core Linux team member and AmigaOS beta tester, Christian Zigotzky.
A.L.I.C.E. might even put in an appearance (along with Core Linux team member, Pat Wall).
I'm sure A-Eon won't be too fond of that :P
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I'm sure A-Eon won't be too fond of that :P
A-Eon don't own Hyperion. ;)
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A-Eon don't own Hyperion. ;)
Are you sure? What percentage of Hyperion does A-Eon own after the bailout?
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Are you sure? What percentage of Hyperion does A-Eon own after the bailout?
Missed that, or is that really what happened when Hyperion were pretending they had not been made bankrupt and it was all an admin error ?
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Are you sure? What percentage of Hyperion does A-Eon own after the bailout?
Isn't it owned by the three shareholders? I dunno tbh, but I do know that OS4 is running on PowerBook G4's.
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Missed that, or is that really what happened when Hyperion were pretending they had not been made bankrupt and it was all an admin error ?
I don't "know" but I doubt A-Eon would bail Hyperion out of bankruptcy for rights to a few software products. Would you loan a bankrupt Hyperion $100,000+ for the rights to sell some of their old software products?
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I don't "know" but I doubt A-Eon would bail Hyperion out of bankruptcy for rights to a few software products. Would you loan a bankrupt Hyperion $100,000+ for the rights to sell some of their old software products?
Is that what happened? I haven't been paying attention to the dramatics that seem to follow Ben H around that much recently.
100k is a lot of money but enough to buy the company?
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Would you loan a bankrupt Hyperion $100,000+ for the rights to sell some of their old software products?
would you let design and build a ppc based hardware platform just to run os4 for multiple 100k of $???? im not so sure..
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100k is a lot of money but enough to buy the company?
$100k is not much when talking about bringing back a bankrupt business which included paying off debts and injecting enough cash for sustainable operation. How much is a bankrupt technology company with outdated technology worth?
would you let design and build a ppc based hardware platform just to run os4 for multiple 100k of $???? im not so sure..
I would not invest in PPC at this time for several reasons.
o PPC is dying (the selection of PPC CPUs is falling while the cost is rising).
o The potential target market is reduced too much by the high cost of PPC hardware.
o The AmigaOS technology and legal status are big questions.
I would not drop PPC support but rather try to diversify away from PPC. The Amiga is not competitive in the high priced workstation market. The PPC is not a good value for this market and the AmigaOS does not have the security for business applications and servers. High cost PPC Amigas miss the biggest potential of the Amiga market and I believe the economics are unsustainable.
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$100k is not much when talking about bringing back a bankrupt business which included paying off debts and injecting enough cash for sustainable operation. How much is a bankrupt technology company with outdated technology worth?
I would not invest in PPC at this time for several reasons.
o PPC is dying (the selection of PPC CPUs is falling while the cost is rising).
o The potential target market is reduced too much by the high cost of PPC hardware.
o The AmigaOS technology and legal status are big questions.
I would not drop PPC support but rather try to diversify away from PPC. The Amiga is not competitive in the high priced workstation market. The PPC is not a good value for this market and the AmigaOS does not have the security for business applications and servers. High cost PPC Amigas miss the biggest potential of the Amiga market and I believe the economics are unsustainable.
PPC is going no where. At least not at an enterprise level. Power 8 getting used a lot in the insurance sector.
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I don't "know" but I doubt A-Eon would bail Hyperion out of bankruptcy for rights to a few software products. Would you loan a bankrupt Hyperion $100,000+ for the rights to sell some of their old software products?
Where did you read about that? I haven't heard anything about anyone giving Hyperion any money whatsoever.
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I would not invest in PPC at this time for several reasons.
it was a rhetoric question!
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Where did you read about that? I haven't heard anything about anyone giving Hyperion any money whatsoever.
Did you hear about Hyperion's bankruptcy undone? Did you hear that A-Eon is now selling products which Hyperion owned? Do you think A-Eon is a charity for Hyperion donations?
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I see you're relatively new here so I'm assuming you've missed the many thousands of threads speaking of this jump to x86 in the past and luckily you missed out on the various 'Amiga Camp' wars which unfortunately only divided and hurt our community.
AROS has been around for quite a while running on very cheap x86 hardware configs and the cheapest of all the Amiga OS's being free and open source to boot. I have evangelized it to many of my non-Amiga friends over the years as the alternative to Main stream x86 options. When I ask these people how they are enjoying the AROS experience they all tell me it's 'nice' or 'cute' or something to that effect and never get drawn into it for an extended period of time.
This is the where I fail to understand how any Amiga flavour OS will benefit from moving to x86! Unless a person has a connection with Amiga in the past then they won't want to understand why they should use this niche OS when an already free open source OS does everything they need already for many many years (you know the one that Linus dude started).
for every hobby I have I am 'connected' in it with my time and money and most importantly my passion for the hobby. You cannot force people to enjoy a hobby.
I have friends that spend enormous amounts of money that make me cringe on radio controlled planes and models and let's not talk about those that are into classic cars restoration lol
Theses same people still understand why I enjoy spending time and money keeping my various Amiga's and 8 bit machines still running and also my passion for AmigaNG developments.
IMHO cheap hardware and x86 isn't the answer.
@klx300r
Very well said!!!! +1
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I'm guessing that $2000 for a base system price will be a suite spot and many will jump on it.
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PPC is going no where. At least not at an enterprise level. Power 8 getting used a lot in the insurance sector.
If Apple had stuck with PPC then maybe they could have made a high end Power 8 computer for the elite user. Power 8 wouldn't do AmigaOS 4.x much good without SMP, 64 bit addressing and software (Power 7 would give a faster Amiga than Power 8 due to lack of SMP). Of course, if Apple had stayed with PPC then there would be cheaper and faster PPC hardware today and the Amiga on PPC wouldn't be a sinking ship.
I'm guessing that $2000 for a base system price will be a suite spot and many will jump on it.
I see 1415 pounds (excluding VAT) = $2154 U.S. = 1913 Euros (but most Euro users have to pay VAT which becomes 2297 Euros).
Source:
https://www.facebook.com/AEonTechnologyLtd/photos/a.461608890516168.110788.447768335233557/1082048695138848/?type=3
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@klx300r
Very well said!!!! +1
thanks:)
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Tell me what Apple hardware this is.
(http://s17.postimg.org/6ddeiwmlb/Mystery_Machine.jpg)
Lattice FPGA? -> Very rare on a PC mainboard but used on X5000 and Sam460Cr
9pins serial port? -> Very rare on modern Pc Mainboards but used on sam4x0 and X5000
Red PCB? -> Acube and a-eon and some PC mainboards
On Board Graphics (DVI)? -> No X5000 variant
On board audio? -> No X5000 variant.
My best guess is a new Acube mainboard. :hammer:
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My best guess is a new Acube mainboard. :hammer:
lol, who knows.
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It was the people wanting something new that led to Amiga DE and the unaffordable PowerPc cards. We need more of the old, before we move to a faster system.
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lol, who knows.
Seems that I was right. The Lattice FPGA gave it away :lol:
Tabor is the name.
http://www.amiga-news.de/pics/tabor/tabor_01.jpg
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Tyan ATX with 4-core Power8 (passive heatsink)
+4GB DDR3 1600MHz +500GB 3.5" HDD - $2850
http://www.tyan.com/campaign/openpower/
This is not available for purchase. Call them and try. You will be told exactly what I was, when I attempted to purchase one. These were reference design early sale systems. The next step up POWER8 system from Tyan is just shy of USD $8K, and can not be ordered in any lesser configuration.