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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: touringsedan on July 15, 2015, 11:51:52 AM
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Someone stop the madness, sad to see the Commodore name being stamped on anything.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962509/commodore-android-smartphone-announced
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If I'm not wrong:
Commodore Business Machines LTD
Wenlock Road 20-22
N17GU London (UK)
company number 9467670
...by Massimo Canigiani (Italia).
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Someone stop the madness, sad to see the Commodore name being stamped on anything.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962509/commodore-android-smartphone-announced
What madness? I don't see the Commodore name being slapped on anything new besides this phone. Do you have other examples of this "madness"..
Rich
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What madness? I don't see the Commodore name being slapped on anything new besides this phone. Do you have other examples of this "madness"..
Rich
Commodore USA did use it quite much. Commodore C64x, Commodore Phenix, Commodore Vic and not to forget "Commodore OS" and their Commodore Amiga series + more.
Quite sure ive seen more things from different companies over the years, but hey can't remember em all as I tend to ignore em.
Edit: Just a generic Android phone, if it had "Gaming" in mind of classics at least some physical buttons could not be to much to ask...
Nothing to see here, move along.
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Someone stop the madness, sad to see the Commodore name being stamped on anything.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962509/commodore-android-smartphone-announced
just dont say it on their facebook page...they get butthurt, along with the sheeple.
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Rebadged Alcatel phone by the looks of it.
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Commodore U s a for one
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Someone stop the madness, sad to see the Commodore name being stamped on anything.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962509/commodore-android-smartphone-announced
It is probably better than Lumia crap, so I would take one anyday if my company paid it for me.
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The Lumia phones, particularly the high end, are some of the best hardware devices on the market. The 1520 is one of the best phones I've ever used, hardware wise - to the point if it was running Android and not WP, I'd take one over an iPhone 6/6s or any Android phone.
The gripe has always been Windows Phone on 'em for an OS, but that still hasn't stopped them from selling 50+ million of them worldwide (not all Lumia's, but mostly - numbers as of late 2013/early 2014).
The Commodore phone is simply a chinese phone with the chickenlips logo on it with a price tag that's almost double what you'd pay for it without said logo. The specs are not particularly compelling on it by todays standards either.
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Commodore USA did use it quite much. Commodore C64x, Commodore Phenix, Commodore Vic and not to forget "Commodore OS" and their Commodore Amiga series + more.
Quite sure ive seen more things from different companies over the years, but hey can't remember em all as I tend to ignore em.
Edit: Just a generic Android phone, if it had "Gaming" in mind of classics at least some physical buttons could not be to much to ask...
Nothing to see here, move along.
Well I'm aware of all that, but clearly it's not on everything. I see no madness here. I would rather have a Commodore branded phone than any Samsung or other Android phone. And the phone does come with games/emulators from what I have read. Plus who gives a crap if it sells and gets people talking about C= again.
Im all for it!!
Rich
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I see no madness here.
Feels like I've seen a post announcing a new Commodore-branded something-or-other piece of rubbish about ever three months, for years. But if you guys have missed those, more power to you. :)
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Someone stop the madness, sad to see the Commodore name being stamped on anything.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/14/8962509/commodore-android-smartphone-announced
Why can't they make something useful with the C= logo, like a shower curtain. that I would buy....
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If you want to pay 2x what the retail price is for the same phone sans C= logo, knock yourselves out. I'll eat my hat if you ever see the next full letter release/update of Android for it, especially in a world where the big name vendors aren't even bothering to roll out Lollipop for devices that have sold millions of units. I say that as a guy that's had a Samsung tablet for less than a year and Samsung suddenly decided to flake on the Lollipop update, on a tablet they sold *millions* of.
It's a mid range Chinese phone that is otherwise a "free with a contract" phone, one that reviews poorly to boot. It's just a re - badged Chinese/emerging market phone. A quick read of any of the articles on the thing tells you what it really is, make and model wise.
You can pick the same phone up for half the price from the manufacturer or any online Chinese vendor. I can get an iphone 6 or S6/S6 Edge for the same price on contract. I know which one I'd pick.
If a chickenlips logo is worth over a hundred bucks to people, enjoy.
It honestly puzzles me why anyone these days, no matter how much of a fanboy they are of C= or the Amiga would gladly pay a 2x premium on something that's nothing more than a screened on logo. It's not like you're supporting the grand cause and C= or Amiga will suddenly rise from the ashes and the major players will fall to their knees. You're just feeding the cockroaches that latched onto a once highly respected name, and C-USA was no different.
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The majority of you guys are so F'n negative its not even funny..you should leave then.
It's not like the specs of the phone are crap..they aren't that bad. And Comparing this phone to the latest iPhone or Samsung(on contract) is just silly. while these high priced phones may seem cheap ON CONTRACT..um you are still paying the list price(plus some extra$$) of the phone spread out over two years, duh. which is WAY more than $300..nuf said.
Rich
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It seems to be a rebadged phone of this: http://www.gizchina.com/2014/12/09/64bit-lte-orgtec-waphone-officially-announced-just-145/
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It seems to be a rebadged phone of this: http://www.gizchina.com/2014/12/09/64bit-lte-orgtec-waphone-officially-announced-just-145/
The specs are not bad at all..and the price is really good. Despite what some are thinking.
Rich
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The specs are not bad at all..and the price is really good. Despite what some are thinking.
Rich
from Android Police, who are not using the Wired source info (http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/07/14/commodore-is-not-back-baby-company-slaps-commodore-brand-on-back-of-generic-smartphone-gets-attention/)
#6
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I've read.. Your point in posting the link?
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I've read.. Your point in posting the link?
That the real issue is what (if any) the reaction will be from C=Holdings B.V., who registered the trademark prior and not so much the product itself.
#6
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That the real issue is what (if any) the reaction will be from C=Holdings B.V., who registered the trademark prior and not so much the product itself.
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Ah understood. Well that all remains to be seen. If there were issues with using the C= name, logo etc. would they have come out
by now?? Who knows. Until thses things are shipped and in the hands of users/ reviewers.
Rich
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Ah understood. Well that all remains to be seen. If there were issues with using the C= name, logo etc. would they have come out
by now?? Who knows. Until thses things are shipped and in the hands of users/ reviewers.
Rich
We already have facts in evidence that there are issues with using the name.
with regard to the C64c case project (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=40210&forum=17&11#762587)
Initially, they too said they would continue to invest in product instead of lawyers (see 1st post same thread).
To date I have seen no official announcement of an official Commodore licensee from C=Holdings B.V. Of course they've been busy with 3 concurrent lawsuits.
#6
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Ha..true. We shall see.
Rich.
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I take it you've never had the pleasure (cough) to use a Mediatek equipped phone. :)
They are notoriously poor performers, notoriously buggy and poor on battery life, and rarely receive the Android updates that were promised. GPS is poor at best.
I can tell you all of this is true about Mediatek chips - I've got a Mediatek MT6592 equipped phone that I got stuck with via work sitting a foot away from me, and it's a complete dog performance wise. Had it for about a year now (Alcatel Idol X+, comparable or better specs than the C= phone), and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
It was free with an under $20 a month contract.
I don't begrudge anyone spending their hard earned money on a phone with a $100+ logo screened on it - whatever floats your boat. Though it does annoy me when people pay $300+ for a sub par phone that will end up getting no support, lol.
You can get a OnePlus for the price of the C= phone, c'mon.
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I take it you've never had the pleasure (cough) to use a Mediatek equipped phone. :)
They are notoriously poor performers, notoriously buggy and poor on battery life, and rarely receive the Android updates that were promised. GPS is poor at best.
I can tell you all of this is true about Mediatek chips - I've got a Mediatek MT6592 equipped phone that I got stuck with via work sitting a foot away from me, and it's a complete dog performance wise. Had it for about a year now (Alcatel Idol X+, comparable or better specs than the C= phone), and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
It was free with an under $20 a month contract.
I don't begrudge anyone spending their hard earned money on a phone with a $100+ logo screened on it - whatever floats your boat. Though it does annoy me when people pay $300+ for a sub par phone that will end up getting no support, lol.
You can get a OnePlus for the price of the C= phone, c'mon.
I have not used a phone or anything with that processor in it. Was this Octa-core processor the same one that gave you issues?
Not all electronics are perfect out of the gate..Even the best of companies have initial problems with their products, just sayin.
And reliability of use is off topic from org post. Like I stated based on the listed specs vs price and being unlocked $300 is not bad, and you all know it.#truth. Whether the phone actually works, well
that remains to be seen and is unknown at this point.
The phone you had was free? ..there is this saying.."you get what you pay for". Perhaps this new PET will work as described if it in fact ships. I'll let ya know :).
Rich
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*sigh* I don't know why anyone who knows anything about phones would buy anything but a Nexus. I paid $549 for mine. Unlocked, 64GB of memory, QHD screen, Battery that lasts 2+ days under normal use, fastest access to all updates, no contract / I can take it to any carrier, etc. Yes, it was expensive. Yes, it was worth every penny, to me, and I would not trade it for anything in the world. But then, some people only care about "cheap". :lol:
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Same Octocore CPU line, same one people have all sorts of issues with.
It was "free" to me because I work for the telco as a subcontractor. List price was $549. I wouldn't pay $49 for it.
It's your money. Fact is, you can buy a far better phone for the money, starting with the Moto X at $299, which is a great phone. Are folks looking for a new phone or just a weak-kneed throwback homage to a long dead computer brand? If the latter, wouldn't it just be easier to get $5 Commodore logo sticker printed up and put it on a decent phone?
But hey, if you want to spend $300+ for a silk screened emerging market handset with buggy components in it, Godspeed. There *are" GPS, battery and performance issues with Mediatek chips. Known issues I can tell you I have experienced myself. Known issues that there is 1,000 threads on the 'net about. Which is why you rarely see them in anything but the Chinese budget phones.
The dudes in Starbucks won't know what the chickenlips logo is anyways :)
I've seen Apple Scenesters, but the Chickenlips scenester idea makes me giggle out loud :) "WOW, is that a... COMMODORE PHONE???? OOOH"
Hysterical.
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The Verge is a little behind in news, this has been known for months. Ah well, slow news day?
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Well...I think its a bit of both nostalgia and maybe new phone. Is there a chance in heck that the processor issues were sorted? Is there a chance it was software causing das issues? I don't know I will have look the processor up and read about it.
Not too sure I've been to SB a few times its an older crowd at times and I have seen a chicken lips T-shirt once on a blue moon. And you would be surprised at who knows who or whatCommodore is or once was.
Kudos to anyone trying something legit to keep it going. Where is Atari these days?
Rich
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trying something legit
I can only assume this is a joke. :laughing:
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Went bankrupt in 2013, however still making and selling games some how? :-)
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I can only assume this is a joke. :laughing:
I'm trying to stay positive here.. :). And at the end of the day nothing comes of this "new" PET phone, oh well. For me its no big deal.
I have way more than enough real Commodore and Amiga gear to
last a few lifetimes, yup I got it like that! If it does happen, sweet I'm in and will give it an honest go. Hang on to it and in 10 years listit on eBay. And add it to the thread "Are we still posting crazy eBay auctions?"... Haha.
Rich
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I'm trying to stay positive here.. :). And at the end of the day nothing comes of this "new" PET phone, oh well. For me its no big deal.
I have way more than enough real Commodore and Amiga gear to
last a few lifetimes, yup I got it like that! If it does happen, sweet I'm in and will give it an honest go. Hang on to it and in 10 years listit on eBay. And add it to the thread "Are we still posting crazy eBay auctions?"... Haha.
Rich
No idea why the entire news media covering this story couldn't find their Italian distributor, but...
http://www.en.amibyte.com/
Apparently you can talk pre-order with them.
(Note:This was CUSA's only authorized configuration partner.
#6
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Put it that way: I would gladly pay this kind of money for an n-th hand retro computer or a crowdfunding project about a computer peripheral/expansion/upgrade for a retro computer (preferably Amiga related). For a (yet another) Android phone/tablet/console? Not a chance, even if it had a CPU that doesn't suck.
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So i'm assuming most people won't be buying this phone.
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Am I right in saying that this is not the Orgtec phone but a new one from some of the developers of AROS (including Paolo Besser of Icaros fame)?
If so then why do I seem to be the only one who is excited by the news that they have the Commodore license?
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@Paulie85
AFAIK it's just a rebadged chinese phone -- and not a very good one. if there's some info suggesting it's going to run AROS or something amiga-related, i'd love to know. is there a link to some page indicating such?
-- eliyahu
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I'm just going by the reply posted here (apparently by Paolo Besser)
http://9to5google.com/2015/07/15/that-commodore-phone-isnt-a-commodore-at-all-its-the-orgtec-waphone/
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@Paulie85
Paolo "Paolone" Besser is not only the creator and maintainer of Icaros, but also has a solid background as journalist for the italian editions of ZZAP! and The Games Machine, where used to work on 64 and Amigas; he is involved in the Commodore Smartphone development and i can expect will use its competence and knowledge to make the best job for future integrations customizations and user experience :)
and in that reply Paolone is mentioning the Amiga emulator will use the AROS 68k roms rather than cloanto distributed ones
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@Paulie85
Paolo "Paolone" Besser is not only the creator and maintainer of Icaros, but also has a solid background as journalist for the italian editions of ZZAP! and The Games Machine, where used to work on 64 and Amigas; he is involved in the Commodore Smartphone development and i can expect will use its competence and knowledge to make the best job for future integrations customizations and user experience :)
Wow, that is amazing news!:)
Maybe I will buy one afterall
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Why is it amazing news? The thing is still what every Android site says it is, lol. Perhaps this new Commodore offshoot didn't buy the phones from anything but a Chinese Fire Sale site, but it is what all the sites say it is. They didn't custom make the thing, it's a mass market, low to mid range phone from China with a Chickenlips logo screened onto it.
I don't consider it coming with AROS ROM's a selling point, personally. AROS is a terrific offering, but assuming the Android ROM's are in a similar state as the desktop ones are, well - a few days ago when I tried the newest AROS replacement ROM's under UAE, I couldn't even vaguely consider them being "daily driver" replacement ROM's for the ones the good folks at Commodore did 20 years ago (3.1). Sorry, AROS guys, that's my experience as of a few days ago.
Not a slag against AROS, it's a hell of a big project to rewrite ROM's/a legacy ROM/OS replacement, but when I tried them last (again, a few days ago, via UAE/AF), I'm not sure I'd even call them usable. I couldn't even get CED fired up under them, anyways, much less my usual suite of apps I run on legacy Amiga OS.
But far be it from me to dissuade anyone from paying double what a product is going for just because some freeware software (emulators, ROM's) and a Chickenlips logo is on there.
Anyone with a good set of eyes can see what the thing is, hardware wise. If you wanted a custom Commodore phone, well, you'll get a custom Commodore PET box, lol.
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Why is it amazing news? The thing is still what every Android site says it is, lol. Perhaps this new Commodore offshoot didn't buy the phones from anything but a Chinese Fire Sale site, but it is what all the sites say it is. They didn't custom make the thing, it's a mass market, low to mid range phone from China with a Chickenlips logo screened onto it.
I don't consider it coming with AROS ROM's a selling point, personally. AROS is a terrific offering, but assuming the Android ROM's are in a similar state as the desktop ones are, well - a few days ago when I tried the newest AROS replacement ROM's under UAE, I couldn't even vaguely consider them being "daily driver" replacement ROM's for the ones the good folks at Commodore did 20 years ago (3.1). Sorry, AROS guys, that's my experience as of a few days ago.
Not a slag against AROS, it's a hell of a big project to rewrite ROM's/a legacy ROM/OS replacement, but when I tried them last (again, a few days ago, via UAE/AF), I'm not sure I'd even call them usable. I couldn't even get CED fired up under them, anyways, much less my usual suite of apps I run on legacy Amiga OS.
But far be it from me to dissuade anyone from paying double what a product is going for just because some freeware software (emulators, ROM's) and a Chickenlips logo is on there.
Anyone with a good set of eyes can see what the thing is, hardware wise. If you wanted a custom Commodore phone, well, you'll get a custom Commodore PET box, lol.
I meant that it was amazing news that people involved with AROS are involved with this new Commodore outfit. I would be willing to pay a bit more for a phone if it helped fund future developments ( I am a big fan of Icaros Desktop).
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Fair enough - apologies if I got up your hindquarters, heh.
I don't begrudge anyone spending their hard earned wages on whatever they want to, but let's just be realistic on this particular device - if you're intent on buying it, you can buy it for half the price this new "Commodore" outfit is selling it for, and it indeed is, at best - a lower to mid-range Android device, specs wise. You can find the same phone, minus the Chickenlips logo - on the 'net any day of the week for half the cost of this "PET" phone.
If anyone does buy it, do give us a full review on it. I'd particularly like to hear if these new MediaTek equipped phones have the same GPS issues I've (and others) suffered through with my own MediaTek chipped device.
The MediaTek equipped phone I have is so flaky GPS wise I've got an old S3 strapped to the dash of my work truck that does nothing but GPS - the MediaTek chipped Alcatel I have, the GPS on it can't be relied on in the least. Otherwise, it's been a pretty decent phone, other than the small battery on it. I'd like to think the newer chips from MediaTek are far better, because quite frankly I'm not sure how they are staying in business if things haven't improved.
I'd also be curious to see if these phones get any further Android full revision updates - I wouldn't put too much bank on it if this phone I have is any indication. They didn't even deliver on the last incremental version of KK they promised.
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@thread
looks like the 'designer' of the phone didn't actually design it. and he doesn't want to be associated with the italian/UK 'new' commodore: http://www.technewsworld.com/story/82273.html
hat-tip to @number6 for finding the article. :)
-- eliyahu
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Ouch, pretty big sting when the designer wants nothing to do with it.
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Just Read the European (probably meaning UK) version will released in a Biscuit Coffee Stained Colour. Bit disappointing don't you think. :mad:
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It would be nice to see if there are any images of his original design for the phone.
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It would be nice to see if there are any images of his original design for the phone.
It might be quicker and easier poking around here than trying to go through all the news articles to gather links:
Google images for the designer (http://www.google.com/search?q=Massimo+Battaglia+Commodore&tbm=isch&hl=en&biw=&bih=&gbv=1)
#6
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Why can't they make something useful with the C= logo, like a shower curtain. that I would buy....
Like these? :)
http://www.cafepress.com/+c64+shower-curtains