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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: alphadec on July 02, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
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To start to sell amiga/commodore mercidicing like t-shirts, etc with C or Amiga logo do I need a license from Amiga inc. ?
If not where do I go to have a license. ?
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Just do it, and wait for a cease-and-desist. Then you'll know who you have to pay a license fee to. Better to ask forgiveness later than ask permission first, right? ;)
Actually, that's terrible advice, don't listen to me. But good luck figuring out who the proper owners are in that legal nightmare, and actually getting a response from them! ;)
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... Better to ask forgiveness later than ask permission first, right? ...
+1
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Depends on your country law , what international copyright treaties
your country (well EU maybe , maybe not) signed , what shape and
words you plan to use etc etc ...
Most likely you can unless someone else is already selling T-Shirts
because most of those call them companies are registered either in
computer hardware or software field but there are more than one
company that would send you legal warnings.
Best way to do it is to try and register a company (:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:)
and if you manage to register say AmigaSmart company with amiga like
logo in your country (that is registered only for selling clothes) then you are probably good to go because registration office will have to do legal checks and even if they miss they must stand by their decision later.Purpose of law isn't really to stop commerce , right ?
I think you could open a stand in Norway and sell them no problem.
I know for a fact that even though China passed copyright law in 2013
you could still make them there :lol::lol::lol:
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Just do it, and wait for a cease-and-desist. Then you'll know who you have to pay a license fee to. Better to ask forgiveness later than ask permission first, right? ;)
Actually, that's terrible advice, don't listen to me. But good luck figuring out who the proper owners are in that legal nightmare, and actually getting a response from them! ;)
haha okey.
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For Commodore related items you need a licence from Commodore Licensing BV: http://www.commodorecorp.com
For Amiga logo, then you will need to talk to Amiga,Inc.
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For Commodore related items you need a licence from Commodore Licensing BV: http://www.commodorecorp.com
Their web site is truly broken.
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Why are those facts that were never proven in court of any country
always quoted ?
When someone send a warning to sue and the other drops project that
doesn't prove one right or wrong.Both companies are in US , US is not
Norway nor does it rule it.The one who looses in court is the one who is
wrong and will pay all expenses for the other side (and the one who would
loose is the one who thought he had more legal rights than he had in 99 %
of cases).
Only good advice if we are being serious would be to hire a lawyer in your
country to do all legal checks and inform you of your rights but in that
case you need to pay for that (it's not court case , court case only occurs
when two parties have dispute).
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For Commodore related items you need a licence from Commodore Licensing BV: http://www.commodorecorp.com
For Amiga logo, then you will need to talk to Amiga,Inc.
ANy know what the price is for a amiga licence. ? ;)
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Can anybody spell, "merchandising" for me?
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mercidicing .. that about right Dan? or am I now T R O L L I N G? :laughing:
No offense meant Alpha, it's just one of those words ...
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Well it may depend as much as the price of your car.You may even
ask different price/conditions for different people but I don't think
you will even get a chance to get one let alone that if you would
get Amiga Inc. license you still could get "love letters" from someone
else.
Short story on how IP trolling works : You take your money to bank and
bank pays you interest.Does your bank go and rob other banks to get
that money ? Maybe ... What banks , big groups of investors and such
things do is buy assets.IP is good asset to buy because it doesn't need
high cost to keep value and they usually buy when value is very low and
wait for value to rise to sell and make profit.
Making things with it is secondary , they do that to be able to register
IP again although it's not a must.Meanwhile they can also sue people
for money.
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Can anybody spell, "merchandising" for me?
All of us saw it and understood what it meant, and that it was from a poster who's first language isn't English. But only one of us pointed it out. Dan.
I thought you'd be more understanding being in the same boat n'alll. ;)
But I tend to agree with Mike on this one.
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ANy know what the price is for a amiga licence. ? ;)
Quoting Dr. Evil, "One MILLION Dollars".
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All of us saw it and understood what it meant, and that it was from a poster who's first language isn't English. But only one of us pointed it out. Dan.
I thought you'd be more understanding being in the same boat n'alll. ;)
But I tend to agree with Mike on this one.
Ah, my friend is Google!
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ANy know what the price is for a amiga licence. ? ;)
You could ask the AmiWest team what they paid 5 years ago as a guide.
Sacramento Amiga Computer Club had officially licensed T-Shirts printed to mark the show and were selling them to the visitors.
Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=32640&forum=2#586634)
OTOH, Cloanto claims to own right regarding Amiga as well, which are admittedly expressed in rather vague terms:
Source (http://amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html)
and
inherited the Commodore/Amiga copyrights
Source (http://www.portcommodore.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=commvex:presentations_guests)
At Amiga 30th EU Trevor also stated that contacting Cloanto regarding copyright issues was the thing to do.
Finally, it is believed that CUSA had no right to sublicense either C= or Amiga licenses, so we don't believe contacting them would be of any help to you.
#6
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Convoluted, but interesting.
So Bill has little control anymore, and Cloanto owns 3.1 and most trademarks.
That will make things a little easier.
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I wonder how relevant are licenses and trademarks when we are
talking about T-Shirts and clothes.Amigas are personal computers
offered to general public and part of common knowledge so you
can paint a painting with Amiga logo.You can also look at T-Shirt as
medium to deliver art (if you just make Amiga / Boing Ball copy that
someone else uses it would be a boring T-Shirt anyway).
Just one way to avoid legal issues.If you plan to make Amiga computer
cases and keyboards it's different story.I think there was a famous artist
that painted can's of soup and I don't think he needed license from company
that made them.If he made soup then again it would be different.