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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: mechy on June 21, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
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hey all,
Just a bit of hardware pron here. I finally dug out the 3000UX i had and have been getting it up to snuff to put Amix on it. Thanks to Pascal i got a A3070 for it for a good price. I already had the 3 button pregnant 3000 mouse. Here is shown installing Amix 2.1 on it.
I put a CF adapter on standoffs bolted to a drive plate and hooked it to the acard 7720U. Unfortunately i couldn't center it in the floppy drive opening since the 7720U is so wide but it worked out and is easy to change cf's if need be.
I added a nice Buster11 chip,coin cell battery(9/02 rev board is perfect,no leakage).A2065 ethernet card.
Some pics can he found here:
www.a4000t.com/pics/a3000ux (http://www.a4000t.com/pics/a3000ux)
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Very nice, thanks for the pictures! :)
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Lovely looking machine. Is the UX different dimensions to a normal 3000?
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Lovely looking machine. Is the UX different dimensions to a normal 3000?
The UX is really nothing special other than the logo on the front of the case,its identical to a regular 3000 in every way.
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Elegant.
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The UX is really nothing special other than the logo on the front of the case,its identical to a regular 3000 in every way.
I beg to differ :) Most (if not all) of them were "Made in U.S.A.", which makes them special. The "regular" models, after the Amiga Unix product was discontinued with a vengeance, were manufactured elsewhere. I have two A3000 units in storage which were manufactured in Hongkong, for example.
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Very nice!
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I beg to differ :) Most (if not all) of them were "Made in U.S.A.", which makes them special. The "regular" models, after the Amiga Unix product was discontinued with a vengeance, were manufactured elsewhere. I have two A3000 units in storage which were manufactured in Hongkong, for example.
i guess i should of been more specific :biglaugh:, i meant hardware wise they are the same basic hardware- i.e motherboard revisions,roms ,030 etc.. i just looked on my regular 3000's and the UX's and mine are all made in the usa..
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Man. Computers made in the U.S.A. Reminds me of that thread when people were posting pictures of their A1200's, "Made in Scotland" stickers, and whatnot. That's all something that'll never happen again. :(
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Didn't the 3000UX also have a ethernet (2065) card and a graphics card (2024)?
(as well as the tape drive)
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i guess i should of been more specific :biglaugh:, i meant hardware wise they are the same basic hardware- i.e motherboard revisions,roms ,030 etc.. i just looked on my regular 3000's and the UX's and mine are all made in the usa..
Yes, the A3000UX was a "custom bundle", not unlike the A500 game bundles sold in the UK at the time ;) The big difference not just being what was in the package (the A3070 tape drive and the A2065 Ethernet card, the three-button mouse, as well as the Amiga Unix installation disks, the tape and the manuals), but that the label on the case was different. I think the A3000UX also shipped with more memory by default than the regular configuration, because Amiga Unix needed it.
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Man. Computers made in the U.S.A. Reminds me of that thread when people were posting pictures of their A1200's, "Made in Scotland" stickers, and whatnot. That's all something that'll never happen again. :(
It could happen and it did: Apple manufactures the Mac Pro in the USA (likely using parts sourced from China), which is still viable given the price of the product and the small numbers in which it sells. It's no longer a viable business model for high volume sales, though. This ship sailed long ago...
This still worked in 1988-1990, before SMD was introduced. For example, when NeXT was still in business and making their own hardware, they had their own factory in California which manufactured NeXT Cubes and NeXTSTATIONS.
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That is a really, really nice Amiga 3000 you have there. Congrats!
I have always thought it was the most sexy Amiga Commodore every made.
When I was in college I had one and people at the time were just blown away that a computer could have two different OSs on it!
If you read the Amiga 3000UX brochure, they mention a university that went with all Amiga 3000UX machines for their students because they wanted to standardize on a flavor of Unix. They even have quotes from a professor from the said university.
When I became a professor, I decided to track down that guy and ask about choosing the Amiga 3000UX, dealing with Commodore, and how their decision worked out.
The guy actually emailed me back with the following information:
-The machines were great and they were real workhorses for the everyone involved. Their failure rate was very low. Much lower than the compettion.
-Commodore went from being passionate about Amix to sort of dumping it which left them hanging. There were fewer updates, not upgrades, and they didn't make it work for any other machines.
-Commodore went bankrupt which was terrible for the university. They had to maintain those computers for the students/faculty no matter what. So they bought as many Amiga 3000UX machines as they could get their hands on for spare parts and such. He said they scrounged Usenet for machines for years. What really helped them was that the Amiga 3000 was the same machine (more or less) so they could buy either UX or 3000s for parts. The mouse and the especially the 2024 card was tough to get.
-He could understand why SUN was so interested in buying Amiga 3000UX machines and making them low-cost SUN workstations. They were incredibly fast, very well built, and cheaper than the competition. He said Apple's AUX machines were double the price or more for features standard to the UX machines.
Good memories.
I just thought you might find that of interest.
:-)
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I always wonder how differently things would have turned out if Commodore had accepted the offer from Sun regarding re-branding as low end Sun workstations. We'd almost certainly have a lot more A3000s circulating in the used market now...
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Yes, the A3000UX was a "custom bundle", not unlike the A500 game bundles sold in the UK at the time ;) The big difference not just being what was in the package (the A3070 tape drive and the A2065 Ethernet card, the three-button mouse, as well as the Amiga Unix installation disks, the tape and the manuals), but that the label on the case was different. I think the A3000UX also shipped with more memory by default than the regular configuration, because Amiga Unix needed it.
Yes, i think 8Mb was standard and the a2410 optional also. The amix manual suggests 8MB minimum.. i have it running on 4MB atm and it seems ok,but amix isnt overly useful. my case is labeled 3000UX.
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That is a really, really nice Amiga 3000 you have there. Congrats!
I have always thought it was the most sexy Amiga Commodore every made.
When I was in college I had one and people at the time were just blown away that a computer could have two different OSs on it!
If you read the Amiga 3000UX brochure, they mention a university that went with all Amiga 3000UX machines for their students because they wanted to standardize on a flavor of Unix. They even have quotes from a professor from the said university.
When I became a professor, I decided to track down that guy and ask about choosing the Amiga 3000UX, dealing with Commodore, and how their decision worked out.
The guy actually emailed me back with the following information:
-The machines were great and they were real workhorses for the everyone involved. Their failure rate was very low. Much lower than the compettion.
-Commodore went from being passionate about Amix to sort of dumping it which left them hanging. There were fewer updates, not upgrades, and they didn't make it work for any other machines.
-Commodore went bankrupt which was terrible for the university. They had to maintain those computers for the students/faculty no matter what. So they bought as many Amiga 3000UX machines as they could get their hands on for spare parts and such. He said they scrounged Usenet for machines for years. What really helped them was that the Amiga 3000 was the same machine (more or less) so they could buy either UX or 3000s for parts. The mouse and the especially the 2024 card was tough to get.
-He could understand why SUN was so interested in buying Amiga 3000UX machines and making them low-cost SUN workstations. They were incredibly fast, very well built, and cheaper than the competition. He said Apple's AUX machines were double the price or more for features standard to the UX machines.
Good memories.
I just thought you might find that of interest.
:-)
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Thanks for the info, that is interesting. I remember sun wanted to make a deal with C= and they blew it as usual. I have to say though, 030/25 and fast on Unix doesn't seem to go hand in hand lol.
i am toying with the idea of adding the picassoII i have here since they are supported now. it may help some,but then again, leaving it alone to do what it does is just fine.
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I have to say though, 030/25 and fast on Unix doesn't seem to go hand in hand lol.
Considering the time and age, the MC68030 at 25 MHz was not quite so bad at running AT&T Unix System V release 4, compared to the workstations I used at university when I started on getting my computer science degree.
Back then we lucked out in that the computer science department had just retired one antique IBM System/360 and replaced it with a pool of shiny new Sun SPARCstation IPCs. These workstations were faster than the A3000UX, but not by a lot. If I remember correctly, a Sun SPARCstation IPC runs about as fast as an Amiga 3000 or 4000 with an A3640 CPU card (at 25 MHz; the Sun SPARCstation IPC CPU was clocked at 25 MHz, too).
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It could happen and it did: Apple manufactures the Mac Pro in the USA (likely using parts sourced from China), which is still viable given the price of the product and the small numbers in which it sells. It's no longer a viable business model for high volume sales, though. This ship sailed long ago...
This still worked in 1988-1990, before SMD was introduced. For example, when NeXT was still in business and making their own hardware, they had their own factory in California which manufactured NeXT Cubes and NeXTSTATIONS.
Lenovo was assembling computers in the US starting in 2013 before Apple Mac Pro assembly was brought back here and they certainly are a high volume brand. Likely Apple was hoping with this carrot that the tax laws would not change so they could continue to not pay taxes on their profits using their Double Irish with a Dutch Sandwich plan.
But then Commodore was also assembling here. Boards were made in Japan at the time I think, even including some of the last parts of the design to prepare the engineering design for manufacture.
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Curious, what CF adapter did you get? I have a 3000UX currently just running Workbench 2.0 but have the tape drive, tape and the adf for the install. It was our 3000 at VCFE-X this year for the 30 years of Amiga display.
Want to get that 3000 setup with Unix eventually for a future VCFE but am also in a project to preserve my Amigas drives onto CF or SD. So far have had no luck with SD at all. Have two 1200s setup with CF now which are easy with IDE, as is the 4000 which I have adapters for. Hardest will be my 3000 and 1000 since my 2000 does have a Dataflyer IDE controller.
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Curious, what CF adapter did you get? I have a 3000UX currently just running Workbench 2.0 but have the tape drive, tape and the adf for the install. It was our 3000 at VCFE-X this year for the 30 years of Amiga display.
Want to get that 3000 setup with Unix eventually for a future VCFE but am also in a project to preserve my Amigas drives onto CF or SD. So far have had no luck with SD at all. Have two 1200s setup with CF now which are easy with IDE, as is the 4000 which I have adapters for. Hardest will be my 3000 and 1000 since my 2000 does have a Dataflyer IDE controller.
Just a typical cheap one. If you have a back slot open this may be the way to go:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/40-pin-IDE-Connector-CF-to-IDE-Compact-Flash-Card-Adapter-Bootable-/121229448042?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c39d6936a
Since mine had to plug into the acard scsi to ide bridge,i used something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/CF-Compact-Flash-to-3-5-40-Pin-Male-IDE-HDD-Converter-Card-Adapter-Bootable-EL-/111702553476?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1a01fdb384
I have some of these if you need one let me know, i can save you time.
I haven't heard of anyone using a dataflyer ide with a cf adapter, so let us know how it goes.