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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: ElPolloDiabl on June 02, 2015, 09:13:29 AM
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Hi, which new hardware do you need for classic or NG computer(s). You can put plausible, but not currently in production items.
I would like:
A cheap as possible accelerator card for the A600/A500/A1200
A fast 020 or 030 upgrade for Amiga 500 with lots of RAM
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The things you listed are actually in production. Or will be again soon, anyway, when they bring out that ACA 500 version 2, or whatever the heck it's going to be called.
Still sucky, IMHO, since it isn't internal, but hey, some people must've bought them. ;)
On the flipside, I'd like to see some '040 & '060 accelerators made for the big box systems. I don't think a new one of those has rolled off the assembly line since what, about 1999? Oh well, if wishes were fishes! :lol:
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I would like to have a rapsberry pi bridgeboard.
I thought it out many times, and it could be doable by linking hardwarewise A serial (rs-232) Amiga expansion with the GPIO pins of the raspberry (which could hold itself an rs-232 adapter). A null modem connection in esence.
Softwarewise, they could use some existing network solution (VNC, SMB, etc).
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As a side note, what the heck is it with people always wanting "Amiga" + "cheap"? Go build a WinUAE system out of an old freecycle PC if you want cheap. You gotta know this hobby isn't for cheapskates! Gaaah!:destroy:
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@above Just to cover all price brackets. Plus there is always someone coming on here asking for a cheap as possible A1200 upgrade.
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>I would like:
Minimalistic but expandable LOW end NG HW.
A little bit like:
https://communitycomputer.wordpress.com/about/techspec/
So that I could buy it and do something else. 8-P
UPDATE:
IMO, affordable but powerfull enough new HW is one of the most needed things on our niche.
For existing users to be able to continue the hobby and for a few new users to dare to try.
UPDATE2:
But also new robust classic would be nice. (my a4k will die one day anyway)
That should be with FPGA CPU and FPGA GFX + free slot if possible, perhaps as "AmiDuino".
(this idea now in my avatar, board that populates card slot area of ATX/DTX case, slot for CPU (master), GPU (slave), free slot (what is the most fun to have?), Duino area.)
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Well after the Vampire boards the Apollo boards could/would/should fit in most of these categories :)
Also as for price, not everyone want cheap hardware but the old accelerator cards are a limited supply and heck they are not as young anymore so new FPGA hardware would be easier to repair and maintain.
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For A3000 and A4000. I would like some overclocked accelerator cards. Also a 'decelerator' for the A4000 so you could play A500/A1200 games on it.
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A modern FPGA hardware solution that is not completely gaming oriented is what I need. I'm a BBS guy. I run BBS's on the Amiga, and not much more - be it on my Amithlon rig, my old PPC A1200, my UAE rigs, or my current SAM440, I'm all about having a full fledged, full desktop "Amiga" to run things on. Your passion might be gaming, or rendering, music, video, etc. Mine just happens to be BBS'ing.
I don't, didn't, never will care about the MiniMig and similar solutions. They don't do what I need, connectivity wise. The FPGA Arcade of Mike's comes closer to what I need with the '060 and daughterboard, but I can't even seem to get an email back about buying one with a handful of cash in hand.
I want modern, from scratch hardware that functions as a full Amiga solution. I've never played games on my Miggies, and never will. I realize that makes me a minority in the larger scheme of things, and no disrespect to the gamer guys so fond of the MiniMig and similar out there. I want a full desktop Amiga for the modern age that runs WB 1.x-3.9. I want to be able to run everything from LW to Lemmings on it - a modern, yet legacy oriented 2015 era desktop capable Amiga.
In short, I want a 2015 "Ultimate WB 3.x Desktop Amiga". A lot to ask, I suppose.
1 - small profile mobo, FPGA based. Quiet, cool, power efficient. Make sure it fits into any standard, off the shelf PC case.
2 - a true "desktop" capable board, not just a WHDLoad Minimig type board. Think a fully loaded A4000T, but modern connectivity.
3 - SATA and USB2/3 ports - IDE is too old to bother with. Onboard ethernet at 10/100 minimum. RTG, AGA, etc. screenmodes delivered via DVI and/or HDMI (DisplayPort maybe as well?) spec. CPU wise, '060 speeds would be ideal, again, via FPGA.
That's the hardware solution I've been dreaming of for close to 10 years since I got back into the Amiga scene after leaving it in the mid 90's, anyways.
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An inexspensive memory and mass storage expansion for my CD32 so I could turn it into a WHDload gaming system. If it had a faster CPU, even better.
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For A3000 and A4000. I would like some overclocked accelerator cards. Also a 'decelerator' for the A4000 so you could play A500/A1200 games on it.
You are aware of WHDLoad, right? :lol:
Bah. I've never seen a game run too fast on an accelerated Miggy. If anything, I find it disappointing that games like Turrican II bogs down a little bit at the waterfalls scene on an A500, in exactly the same way it does on my A2000, which is 45x faster than a stock A500. If anything, most of the games I've tried were coded to run at *exactly the same damned speed* on any system, and don't take enough advantage of accelerators. Oh well, whatcha gonna do? :p
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Hi, which new hardware do you need for classic or NG computer(s). You can put plausible, but not currently in production items.
I would like:
A cheap as possible accelerator card for the A600/A500/A1200
A fast 020 or 030 upgrade for Amiga 500 with lots of RAM
Big box accelerators(A2000,3000,4000) with fast ethernet,uwscsi/sata and usb onboard so it is local bus to the cpu and fast.
proper accelerators for A500/600/1200 with full fpu/mmu,scsi/sata.
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Big box accelerators(A2000,3000,4000) with fast ethernet,uwscsi/sata and usb onboard so it is local bus to the cpu and fast.
proper accelerators for A500/600/1200 with full fpu/mmu,scsi/sata.
This is a good point. It would be nice to see accelerators that allow the use of legacy SCSI peripherals/drives, as well as modern SATA standard. Would hate to see only one or the other. Sort of a "bridging the past with the future" kind of thing. And SCSI chips cost what, $5? Would hardly push it over the limit in terms of cost, LOL. :lol:
Still not gonna happen, but hey, why not, right? ;)
And if FPGA is the only way we're gonna get accelerators for big box systems, then ones that fully implement '040 or '060 instruction codes with FPU & MMU would be nice. Say how about a 100MHz '060 card with built in X-Surf 100, RapidRoad, compatibility with modern RAM, SCSI & SATA. How much would you pay for such a thing? I'd plunk down at last $500, but I suspect it would cost a lot more than that, and that's not even counting the "Super AGA" that I'm sure people are going to ask for in this thread soon! :laughing:
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I'd like to see some solid RTG graphic solutions for A500, A600 and A1200.
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As a side note, what the heck is it with people always wanting "Amiga" + "cheap"? Go build a WinUAE system out of an old freecycle PC if you want cheap. You gotta know this hobby isn't for cheapskates! Gaaah!:destroy:
Sure it is.
Since when do Amigans want to pay for anything (unless it is something they are fixated on)?
And my legacy system of choice, the A2000, IS still cheap.
As are the PowerMacs I run MorphOS on.
And the PC I have AROS installed on (an Atom based system).
And the PC I run WinUAE on...
etc.
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Sure it is.
Since when do Amigans want to pay for anything (unless it is something they are fixated on)?
And my legacy system of choice, the A2000, IS still cheap.
As are the PowerMacs I run MorphOS on.
And the PC I have AROS installed on (an Atom based system).
And the PC I run WinUAE on...
etc.
That just proved my point. All of those emulated platforms are cheap, and great for someone who wants to just tinker around with something that "feels like an Amiga". But anybody who thinks they're going to get a high-spec, accelerated, classic system with "all the bells and whistles" for anything less than a G is either fooling themselves, or really lucky (like that guy who tripped over all the A4000T's in an alley. I still hate him! :laugh1:)
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I'm all about having a full fledged, full desktop "Amiga" to run things on... I've never played games on my Miggies, and never will. I realize that makes me a minority in the larger scheme of things...
A minority of 2? :) I love the OS and the HW, not the games that can be played.
I'm always suckered into the threads about guys who want to expand their basic system (A500, etc) into fully functional (as modern as possible) systems that do everything. Then, after many posts to the thread, the focus of the endeavor is revealed to be gaming. My enthusiasm for the discussion usually tanks.
DGMW, gaming is fine. OTOH, I often wonder how many are here for other reasons.
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Sorry Mike,
I didn't realize my A2000 didn't qualify.
I admit that a fully blown out A4000 is expensive, but then they were ungodly expensive when new.
I hope all of you don't think that some FPGA based miracle is going to occur that will do everything a high end legacy system would, and more.
I can't see that happening.
Something more modest, maybe.
Now that Jens has an agreement for licensing kickstart roms arranged with Hyperion, maybe we will see something finally coming from him.
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Sorry Mike,
I didn't realize my A2000 didn't qualify.
I own two A2000's. When you factor in the cost of the system itself plus accelerator, Indivision or graphics card, CF solution, memory expansion, upgraded ROM and other chips, network card, USB card, etc., both of them are well over $1000. And that's just to "modernize" an A2000. Build something more rare like an A3000 or A4000 with the works ('060 or PPC, PIV or CV64 graphics card, etc.), and it's going to be 2-3x that.
Even base systems themselves are typically in the $300-$400 range these days. And I'm not talking about the $139 one on ebay right now with "CPU socket corroded will need to be replaced", and a whole laundry list of other problems.
At this point Amiga's are pretty much like classic cars. All the good ones have already been bought up and restored. It's hard to enter the classic hardware market without expecting to lay out a few bucks. :(
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I have approached building my system via a slow, careful accqusition of parts.
I just recently aqquired a 40 MHz '030 card to replace my 14 MHz '020 card.
I got it at a really good price.
I friend just recently offered me a sound card.
I bought a video digitizer from a German source a few months ago, also at a good price.
If you are patient, cost is not that great an issue.
Except maybe for RTG video cards.
I doubt I will ever find a good buy on one of those.
And sometimes you just need to let it go.
I had an '040 accelrator card until about two years ago.
Sold it to a Russian at an obscene price.
I needed the funds for more modern hardware.
BTW The hardware you dismiss as pure emulation kicks legacy hardware's ass.
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Cheap (inexpensive) + Amiga = That dog won't hunt
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Items that would be nice,
SATA for my A1200T.
Warp3D drivers for my ATI 9200 so I can ditch my Voodoo 5, and stop using the 9200 as just a RAM card.
A fix for switching between AGA and RTG mode, some games through WHDLoad refuse to work.
That's about it :)
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Cheap (inexpensive) + Amiga = That dog won't hunt
Sure it would, but the owner would probably be stupid enough to shoot it while hunting.
Although I probably should not spend too much time harping on affordability.
It might make me look foolish were I to follow my own fixations and I buy an X5000 when they become available.
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Items that would be nice,
SATA for my A1200T.
Warp3D drivers for my ATI 9200 so I can ditch my Voodoo 5, and stop using the 9200 as just a RAM card.
A fix for switching between AGA and RTG mode, some games through WHDLoad refuse to work.
That's about it :)
Can't you just use a Pata to Sata adaptor? And what speed advantage would you get over a fast CF Card and IDE adaptor?
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Can't you just use a Pata to Sata adaptor? And what speed advantage would you get over a fast CF Card and IDE adaptor?
Tied to an A1200, probably not much.
SATA can overwhelm the bandwidth of a PCI bus.
A PCI bus tied to a Zorro bus could easily overwhelm that, etc.
But you'd get a big boost in potential capacity.
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Can't you just use a Pata to Sata adaptor? And what speed advantage would you get over a fast CF Card and IDE adaptor?
Tried one of those and the FastATA didn't like it, and now no longer works :-( I have a buffered IDE adapter might try it again on that.
The reason for trying is that IDE is becoming rare and SATA HDDs and DVDs can source really easily and readily through work.
CF Cards are limiting too, why have a 8/16/32GB card when I can have a 250GB HDD plus a DVD writer?
You'll never fill that 250GB? Sure I have just about filled it with downloading various items off the internet and 3000+ WHDLoad games etc ;-)
Its not about the speed but about future proofing the A1200 :-)
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I noticed that the Graffiti is an non-RTG video card that connects externally.
I have seen those in an Amiga magazine for years.
How does it work internally?
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CF Cards are limiting too, why have a 8/16/32GB card when I can have a 250GB HDD plus a DVD writer?
I actually had a pretty hard time finding an 8GB CF card recently. Most places are only pushing sales of 16GB+, and 128GB cards are dropping close to the $100 USD mark. Still more expensive than a hard drive, sure, but isn't 127GB the largest an Amiga can support?
Edit: According to Wikipedia, largest PFS can do is "137GB Max volume size", and SFS "127GB Max volume size". Not sure if that means you could have multiple volumes/partitions on a single device?
Edit again: Nevermind, I just googled and found a note that PFS can do up to 2TB. I guess you'll all be secure to download the entire Aminet onto your hard drives, as soon as an appropriate interface for said drives becomes available! :lol:
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This is a good point. It would be nice to see accelerators that allow the use of legacy SCSI peripherals/drives, as well as modern SATA standard. Would hate to see only one or the other. Sort of a "bridging the past with the future" kind of thing. And SCSI chips cost what, $5? Would hardly push it over the limit in terms of cost, LOL. :lol:
Still not gonna happen, but hey, why not, right? ;)
And if FPGA is the only way we're gonna get accelerators for big box systems, then ones that fully implement '040 or '060 instruction codes with FPU & MMU would be nice. Say how about a 100MHz '060 card with built in X-Surf 100, RapidRoad, compatibility with modern RAM, SCSI & SATA. How much would you pay for such a thing? I'd plunk down at last $500, but I suspect it would cost a lot more than that, and that's not even counting the "Super AGA" that I'm sure people are going to ask for in this thread soon! :laughing:
I would be more ambitious. Lets make that minimum 100mhz 060 and add a PCI expansion port.
Now you can maybe stash a small PCI board expansion over the ISA slots and run a cable, or, lets say you can't get the Zorro board you wanted or you original MB is failing, you can get a replacement with PCI slots that fits your original case.
Of course if you crap in one hand and wish in the other what do you really have. lol
Chris
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Tried one of those and the FastATA didn't like it, and now no longer works :-( I have a buffered IDE adapter might try it again on that.
The reason for trying is that IDE is becoming rare and SATA HDDs and DVDs can source really easily and readily through work.
CF Cards are limiting too, why have a 8/16/32GB card when I can have a 250GB HDD plus a DVD writer?
You'll never fill that 250GB? Sure I have just about filled it with downloading various items off the internet and 3000+ WHDLoad games etc ;-)
Its not about the speed but about future proofing the A1200 :-)
Ide to sata adapters are dirt cheap. you will get ide speeds but can use sata devices.
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I actually had a pretty hard time finding an 8GB CF card recently. Most places are only pushing sales of 16GB+, and 128GB cards are dropping close to the $100 USD mark. Still more expensive than a hard drive, sure, but isn't 127GB the largest an Amiga can support?
Edit: According to Wikipedia, largest PFS can do is "137GB Max volume size", and SFS "127GB Max volume size". Not sure if that means you could have multiple volumes/partitions on a single device?
Edit again: Nevermind, I just googled and found a note that PFS can do up to 2TB. I guess you'll all be secure to download the entire Aminet onto your hard drives, as soon as an appropriate interface for said drives becomes available! :lol:
sfs handles 1TB iirc, and you have to make partitions under 128GB. i keep them around 100Gb..
you mean you don't have everything in the world on your amiga now? where have you been hehe:rofl:
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I wish we could make something that is great and not care if it is compatible with anything else.
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Nevermind, I just googled and found a note that PFS can do up to 2TB. I guess you'll all be secure to download the entire Aminet onto your hard drives, as soon as an appropriate interface for said drives becomes available! :lol:
IDEfix97 lets me have up to 128GB regardless of file system, but I do have it partitioned into two.
Pretty fast, but looking at replacing my broken FastATA boost the speed up again. :-/
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Could we not start arguing about price. You could pick up a lot cheap items via someone local. Otherwise $200 to $1000 dollars (Which still isn't that high).
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I noticed that the Graffiti is an non-RTG video card that connects externally.
I have seen those in an Amiga magazine for years.
How does it work internally?
I assume you've read this already?
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/graffiti
FYI Indivision ECS says it has a Graffiti mode built-in, but I've so-far not tried it with anything.
(actually, I did try it with one of the Doom-clones, either ADoom or DoomAttack, and it didn't work... turns out that particular application requires an Indivision in an A600 because of their special interface. I downloaded Nemac IV with the idea to test it out in Graffiti mode, but after seeing it came on a zillion #%*&@ ADF's instead of a nice hard drive installer, I haven't gotten around to it yet). ;)
TL;DR. Very little software supports Graffiti, but from the videos I've seen on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1TM_c7dbMo), what software does support it looks pretty good. :)
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I assume you've read this already?
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/graffiti
FYI Indivision ECS says it has a Graffiti mode built-in, but I've so-far not tried it with anything.
It actually has more than that, it even supports a (limited) P96 mode for true RTG support :)
Unfortunately Graffiti is next to useless on the Indivision ECS due to bandwidth limitations and its P96 mode is also too slow for games for the same reason.
The Indivision AGA (Mrk2) on the other hand could have supported a very fast Graffiti mode that would have offered a speed up over using C2P for every frame. Unfortunately it looks like it will never be made available to the Mrk 2 even though it was originally promised as a firmware update.
I would have been happy to have updated my ports to supported Graffiti...a sadly missed opportunity :(
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The Indivision AGA (Mrk2) on the other hand could have supported a very fast Graffiti mode that would have offered a speed up over using C2P for every frame. Unfortunately it looks like it will never be made available to the Mrk 2 even though it was originally promised as a firmware update.
I would have been happy to have updated my ports to supported Graffiti...a sadly missed opportunity :(
I assume this is an off-handed dig at Jens not releasing more firmware updates for the things? Yeah, I hear ya bud, I hear ya. Am very happy with what they *can* do, I own three Indi's (one for each of my Amiga's), so I'm definitely a believer, but I agree - they could do so much more.
And while we're at it, where is that promised dual monitor driver? :mad:
Your ports are great from what I've seen. If anybody has the clout to get Jens to work on these upgrades, I'd think it would be you. Don't give up the fight, sir!
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I assume this is an off-handed dig at Jens not releasing more firmware updates for the things? Yeah, I hear ya bud, I hear ya. Am very happy with what they *can* do, I own three Indi's (one for each of my Amiga's), so I'm definitely a believer, but I agree - they could do so much more.
Yes it is a little dig at Jens ;)
Obviously I'm extremely grateful for all of the great retro hardware he's produced, but unfortunately he always struggles a bit on the software/driver side of his projects.
Your ports are great from what I've seen. If anybody has the clout to get Jens to work on these upgrades, I'd think it would be you. Don't give up the fight, sir!
Thanks for the kind words :)
I did try and persuade Jens to deliver Graffiti to the Mrk2 but didn't get anywhere.
I'm hanging up my Amiga coding hat so I'm afraid someone else will have to lead the good fight.
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bboah: graffiti
I do remember a box that connected to the back of an A500 that had a video slot for a Toaster and some 16 bit ISA slots for powering some boards.
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I did try and persuade Jens to deliver Graffiti to the Mrk2 but didn't get anywhere.
I'm hanging up my Amiga coding hat so I'm afraid someone else will have to lead the good fight.
I hope for our sake that you'll be back after a short..very short much needed break ;)
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More software = More people will want to buy the card.
Jens must have sold it well to the dealers, but didn't get any software developers to do something with it. It is impressive.
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I wish we could make something that is great and not care if it is compatible with anything else.
Is that a Steve Jobs quote?
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Maybe a shot in the dark. :)
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Mmmm, sending information during blanking periods.
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The only thing I want is new A1200s with up-to-date connectivity, built in 68030 or 68060, and lots of RAM.
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New custom Amiga classic without limitation of bus (build in new custom chipset, more than 2 MB CHIP RAM, build in WiFi, build in ethernet, USB, RTG, etc).
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The top end AmigaOne X5000 then I want what's next =)
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I have a hardware need that I would loke to see solved by a simple kit:
* a tiny connector board that fits ATX window
* connectors for all amiga ports
* connectors for typically needed ports, like RJ45, USB, DVI, VGA, hdmi, audio in shape of jacks
This would simplify all kinds of towerizations/rack building, with cables from this ATX window board to all the amiga ports, plus the typical suspects.
Also, I really want a PCMCIA extender _cable_, so one can mount networkinh cards inside the case of A1200 and A600.
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ACA32, adaptet to hook up A1200 acc boards to the expansion bus of CD32, preferably angled, so they can fit inside the casing, and if it can have ports too, all the better. I imagine something akin to SX32, only with A1200 acc board compatible extension slot.
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I have been thinking many times that it should be possible to build an FPGA based board that together with some break-out boards should be able to replace all amiga mother boards. One replacement break-out board for A500/A600/A1200/CD32 cases (with all relevant keyboard connectors), and one for boxed Amiga systems with Zorro and PCI bus board options. Both using the very same FPGA based mother board.
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I have been thinking many times that it should be possible to build an FPGA based board that together with some break-out boards should be able to replace all amiga mother boards. One replacement break-out board for A500/A600/A1200/CD32 cases (with all relevant keyboard connectors), and one for boxed Amiga systems with Zorro and PCI bus board options. Both using the very same FPGA based mother board.
A modular approach to what I was thinking.
Chri
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I would like to have a rapsberry pi bridgeboard.
I thought it out many times, and it could be doable by linking hardwarewise A serial (rs-232) Amiga expansion with the GPIO pins of the raspberry (which could hold itself an rs-232 adapter). A null modem connection in esence.
Softwarewise, they could use some existing network solution (VNC, SMB, etc).
I'd like to see something similar, an adapter that uses the raspberry pi as a daughter card. It could plug in the way a bridgeboard does and emulate a 486. It could also transparently provide access to the USB and network for the amiga side, or even memory. Or it could plug into the CPU slot, and emulate a 68k CPU upgrade or even a PowerPC.
I'm not sure if the gpio port is fast enough for CPU or memory usage by the amiga, but it should be fast enough for ethernet, usb, and disk.
brian
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I'd like to see something similar, an adapter that uses the raspberry pi as a daughter card. It could plug in the way a bridgeboard does and emulate a 486. It could also transparently provide access to the USB and network for the amiga side, or even memory. Or it could plug into the CPU slot, and emulate a 68k CPU upgrade or even a PowerPC.
I'm not sure if the gpio port is fast enough for CPU or memory usage by the amiga, but it should be fast enough for ethernet, usb, and disk.
brian
I have done everything except offer my first born for a RS232 card (PCIe in my case) so I could use AmigaOS in projects such as have been mentioned here. Nothing.
The only replies have been 'Nobody uses serial ports anymore'. Good thing Linux supports my hobby.
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I'd like to see a Zorro card with a bunch of SPI ports on it. There are a pile of little boards and modules at Adafruit and Sparkfun that use SPI, it would fun to have them on the Amiga.
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ok, I changed my mind. Here's my new favorite non-existent card:
A bridgeboard card that has usb ports and an ethernet port, with memory that could be mapped to either the amiga or PC side. Then you could plug a single board computer into one of the other ISA slots.
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For A3000 and A4000. I would like some overclocked accelerator cards. Also a 'decelerator' for the A4000 so you could play A500/A1200 games on it.
We're working on something like that... :)
(http://c0ff33.net/drop/decelerator4030pcb20150607.png)
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I%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!8217;d like this, that and the other thing, with a little extra on the side. Oh, and hold the mayo . . . .
Serious note:
A replacement for my A1200, but modernized, enhanced chipset, in an A1000 type case with 060 or PPC . . . :)
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Double dipped . . . Ooops!
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I'd like something like an A1400. How about an Amiga 1200 in a custom case. As many chip enhancements as you can squeeze in. Try not to go parallel with the FPGA Arcade.
p.s. that accelerator card above is awesome.
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How will the zorro3 slots work with a "deaccelerator"?
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How will the zorro3 slots work with a "deaccelerator"?
As usual. Decelerator 4030 will be a full-featured A3000/A4000 local bus master (and a slave for the purpose of Z3 DMA).
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Full featured with a 68030?
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Full featured with a 68030?
Yes, why would that be a problem? If you look closely at the local bus expansion slot in A3000 and A4000, it's just a 68030 bus plus some additional signals.
In fact, 68030 is a better Zorro III bus master than 68040 or 68060. As far as I know, there are no existing implementations of 68040/68060 accelerators that can do burst to Zorro III space. While 68030-based cards do this without problems (since no additional logic is needed on the CPU card).
This is one of the reasons why cards like ZorRAM perform best while driven by 68030 :).
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I want a new motherboard in an A1200, A600 or A500 chassis.
FPGA would be fine to me.
The A1200 chassis may be the best.
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You know, while we're at it wishing for "dream hardware", I wish there was a simple way to just "start up production again" on some of the old stuff that's already been made in the past. You know, like A500 sidecars, internal accelerators, accelerators for the big box systems, etc. Why re-invent the wheel, right? This stuff is already out there, it's proven, and someone, somewhere, has the blueprints or plans to make them.
And then there's software, too. There's a lot of really good software from back in the day, could "fairly easily" be updated with a few minor tweaks and patches, and start being sold again.
Sure, none of this stuff would make a fortune, but most of the development work is already done. Why not continue to get paid for it?
Too bad the person that usually has the plans for the hardware or software is usually either (a) some greedy b*#tard, or (b) completely apathetic toward what's left of the Amiga community. Why can't Amiga attract more normal folks to develop for it, right? :roflmao:
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Well GVP did make another run for Software Hut Before SH closed down. Someone call them?
Chris
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Any reason why the old schematics could not make its way to a board manufacturer?
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You know, while we're at it wishing for "dream hardware", I wish there was a simple way to just "start up production again" on some of the old stuff that's already been made in the past. You know, like A500 sidecars, internal accelerators, accelerators for the big box systems, etc. Why re-invent the wheel, right? This stuff is already out there, it's proven, and someone, somewhere, has the blueprints or plans to make them.
And then there's software, too. There's a lot of really good software from back in the day, could "fairly easily" be updated with a few minor tweaks and patches, and start being sold again.
Sure, none of this stuff would make a fortune, but most of the development work is already done. Why not continue to get paid for it?
Too bad the person that usually has the plans for the hardware or software is usually either (a) some greedy b*#tard, or (b) completely apathetic toward what's left of the Amiga community. Why can't Amiga attract more normal folks to develop for it, right? :roflmao:
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Yes, why would that be a problem? If you look closely at the local bus expansion slot in A3000 and A4000, it's just a 68030 bus plus some additional signals.
In fact, 68030 is a better Zorro III bus master than 68040 or 68060. As far as I know, there are no existing implementations of 68040/68060 accelerators that can do burst to Zorro III space. While 68030-based cards do this without problems (since no additional logic is needed on the CPU card).
This is one of the reasons why cards like ZorRAM perform best while driven by 68030 :).
Did you read the posting you were replying to? How does a 030 CPU card help "degrading" an A4000 to an A1200, let alone an A500, for playing games?
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Why not remake of old cards?
Consumer electronics has moved on...
* what used to be 5V components are now typically 3V components.
* what used to be big components are now much, much smaller
* RHOS requirements
This, and more I am sure, adds up so that redesign is only option.
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The RHOS is the dealbreaker, I think. I've heard that quoted before as a reason why this couldn't happen. Still it's damned depressing, if you ask me. :(
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Did you read the posting you were replying to? How does a 030 CPU card help "degrading" an A4000 to an A1200, let alone an A500, for playing games?
You could have been more elaborate in your post. Obviously, the processor itself can not degrade anything else. What am I doing here is just WHDload-optimized CPU card.
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What do we want our Amiga to be?
1. Hand held
2. Tablet
3. Desktop
4. Server
5. Super Computing Platform
I think a new Amiga would have to be based on a new paradigm.
Was the Amiga based on a new concept or just expanded on an existing one?
Also, what do you think about the video slot in an A2000?
If a new Amiga had one would it be useful?
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I would like to design a 68K computer. This would not have to be an Amiga.
Maybe a home grown bit-plane system could be used.
Is it possible to put a bit-plane layer over chunky layer.
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I would like to propose a one and two FPGA chip platform.
If some one wanted to, they could make their own CPU ISA on one chip and a bit-plane system on the other.
Or, they could use a single chip design and reload it as it improves.
I have seen some FPGA design boards that look like a computer main board.
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I believe that their open cpu cores out there.
If an new Amiga 2000 was available and one could buy add-in cards for it, would people flock to it?
Thanks.
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@Kolla
030 is too fast for A500, but I am pretty happy about a new 'variable' speed accelerator card for high end Amiga.
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030 is too fast for A500
There's no such thing as "too fast". Give me an '060 for my A500, Kthxbai. ;)
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It is hard to decide.
What do I like best, A2000, A3000T, A4000T?