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Title: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Iggy on May 20, 2015, 12:12:51 PM
Does anyone have experience trying to use one of these in an A2000?
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: pyrre on May 21, 2015, 12:09:39 PM
do you have any links to actual adapters?

Google is your friend. :D
i have been looking for a board like this for ages.
I have to look into this. one board will be ordered as soon as i have payday.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Matt_H on May 21, 2015, 01:22:40 PM
The site's compatibility section says it worked in an A2000 with a DKB SCSI controller, so that's a good sign. I plan on ordering one shortly.

Whereas I cannot get my AztecMonster CF adapter to work in my A3000, and I believe others have reported similar problems.

Linky (http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=SCSI2SD#Computer_systems)
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: pyrre on May 21, 2015, 04:45:39 PM
I have a noisy 3 gig scsi drive in my a1200.
if i could replace it with a SD adapter and expand the drive to 4 gig. or even add several such adapters. id be a happy man...
my girlfriend would get a new life... :D
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on May 21, 2015, 06:14:23 PM
Quote from: pyrre;789694
I have a noisy 3 gig scsi drive in my a1200.
if i could replace it with a SD adapter and expand the drive to 4 gig. or even add several such adapters. id be a happy man...
my girlfriend would get a new life... :D

For an A1200 why not use one of the CF adapters that are about a dime-a-dozen on most sites?  :lol:

Personally if I had an A1200 I'd get Kipper's external model:  http://www.kipper2k.com/cfadapters.html

Adapters for SCSI are a lot harder to come by.  For my money I still stand by the "Mechware" SCSI card readers, but scalpers have those all hoarded up now, you've gotta pay around $200 for one, these days.  :(
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: kamelito on May 21, 2015, 10:23:12 PM
I read the linked page an the A3000 is not listed anyone knows why?
KAmelito
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Matt_H on May 21, 2015, 10:39:35 PM
It probably just hasn't been tested. If it works with all that other stuff, it'll probably work in the 3000, too.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: pyrre on May 22, 2015, 08:39:01 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;789697
For an A1200 why not use one of the CF adapters that are about a dime-a-dozen on most sites?  :lol:
Personally if I had an A1200 I'd get Kipper's external model:  http://www.kipper2k.com/cfadapters.html
Because i already have several ide cf adapters.
but i want to run the os from the internal blizzPPC scsi controller. since it also is faster than the ide....
And i use my internal IDE for cd-rom only. with this (http://www.microsatacables.com/40-pin-3-5-ide-to-44-pin-2-5-ide-adapter) adapter.
it makes cd-rom usage go faster. since it moves data from one interface to another. instead of drowning one interface with in and out data...
and i don't have any SCSI cd-roms... only disks and zip..

Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;789697
Adapters for SCSI are a lot harder to come by.  For my money I still stand by the "Mechware" SCSI card readers, but scalpers have those all hoarded up now, you've gotta pay around $200 for one, these days.  :(
No, not really. This (http://shop.codesrc.com/) little devil should fix the availability issue....
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on May 22, 2015, 08:57:10 PM
Quote from: pyrre;789781
Because i already have several ide cf adapters.
but i want to run the os from the internal blizzPPC scsi controller. since it also is faster than the ide....
And i use my internal IDE for cd-rom only. with this (http://www.microsatacables.com/40-pin-3-5-ide-to-44-pin-2-5-ide-adapter) adapter.
it makes cd-rom usage go faster. since it moves data from one interface to another. instead of drowning one interface with in and out data...
and i don't have any SCSI cd-roms... only disks and zip..


No, not really. This (http://shop.codesrc.com/) little devil should fix the availability issue....

LOL.  You didn't mention having a SCSI controller, you just said you  "have a noisy 3GB drive you'd like to replace".  Naturally one would  assume you meant on the IDE bus in reference to an A1200.

Also that device isn't remotely comparable to the ones I mentioned.

Oh well, I give up!  :bitch:
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: pyrre on May 22, 2015, 09:04:41 PM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;789782
LOL.  You didn't mention having a SCSI controller, you just said you  "have a noisy 3GB drive you'd like to replace".  
eem.. yes, i actually did... read the post again. i wrote SCSI with small letters... :D

Quote from: pyrre;789694
I have a noisy 3 gig scsi drive in my a1200.
if i could replace it with a SD adapter and expand the drive to 4 gig. or even add several such adapters. id be a happy man...
my girlfriend would get a new life... :D


But now we are hijacking the tread from the OP...

looking at the adapter, and reading data about it.
i see no real issue with the adapter not working in any scsi controller.
and besides. the dev of it seems to work quite hard on updating the firmware.
As soon as the money check bounces into my account. I'm ordering one, or eve two...
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: motrucker on May 22, 2015, 10:33:25 PM
It looks like this board should be a shoe in for an A2000 with a GVP Accelerator/SCSI adapter in it, or am I missing something. It seems to good to be true.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Robbie on May 27, 2015, 09:42:53 AM
I just bought one of these, they're priced quite well at the moment I think!

http://imall.iteadstudio.com/scsi2sd.html

Postage to the UK is very reasonable as well.

Now I just hope it works ok with an Apollo 2030.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Matt_H on May 31, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
I just ordered one as well, with the cheapo shipping option. Hopefully it won't take too long to get here!

Going to try to use the multiple-device option to see if I can create a virtual A3070 drive for AMIX...
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Matt_H on June 13, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
Order arrived today! Well, technically, yesterday, but the mailman wouldn't leave it at my door so I picked it up at the post office this morning. Will report back when I've had a chance to try it out...
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: doctorq on June 13, 2015, 09:47:04 PM
I have two of these adapters and they work well, but they aren't really fast. Around 2 MB/sec when being used on a CSPPC, but a great replacement for hdds in my GVP HD8+, A590 and CDTV. Have used 1, 2 and 8 GB cards.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: broken on June 13, 2015, 10:00:31 PM
Quote from: doctorq;791085
I have two of these adapters and they work well, but they aren't really fast. Around 2 MB/sec when being used on a CSPPC, but a great replacement for hdds in my GVP HD8+, A590 and CDTV. Have used 1, 2 and 8 GB cards.


This has been my experience too. Works well, just not mad quick.

I use one in my x68000 XVI.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Matt_H on June 15, 2015, 02:06:59 AM
Hmm. Those speeds sound adequate. What sort of SD cards are you using? As I'm shopping for cards I'm noticing most of the smaller capacity cards are Class 4 rather than Class 10. Wondering if a faster card would make a difference or if the bottleneck is the device itself.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on June 15, 2015, 03:42:23 AM
Quote from: doctorq;791085
I have two of these adapters and they work well, but they aren't really fast. Around 2 MB/sec when being used on a CSPPC, but a great replacement for hdds in my GVP HD8+, A590 and CDTV. Have used 1, 2 and 8 GB cards.

Are you saying it's 2MB/sec with CSPPC, and a comparatively lower speed with that other hardware?  Or is it also 2MB/sec with A590/CDTV/etc.?
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: doctorq on June 15, 2015, 07:46:48 PM
I have used both a 2 GB card and a 8 GB class 4 card. Both cards reach 1.75 MB/sec on a CSPPC and 1.35 MB/sec on a A590 controller.

I think the adaptor is the bottleneck, but I hope someone proves me wrong.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: ravepants on January 20, 2016, 05:46:19 PM
@doctorq,

Can you tell me what settings you have the SCSI2SD set for to run on the CDTV please?

I have tried it with a pre-installed CWB 68k 1GB microsd and it won't boot from it, but it will on my GVP030 in the A2000!

I'm running firmware 4.5 on the adapter.

Thank you :)
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Motormouth on January 21, 2016, 01:43:46 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;789697
For my money I still stand by the "Mechware" SCSI card readers, but scalpers have those all hoarded up now, you've gotta pay around $200 for one, these days.  :(


Yes,  I have the "Mechware" SCSI card reader.  It works quite well especially if you have a SCSI controller that can handle LUNS.

Otherwise you are stuck with only the LUN 0 of device or the PCMCIA card reader.  Though CF to PCMCIA adapter are fairly easy to come by....
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: mechy on January 21, 2016, 03:31:02 AM
Quote from: Iggy;789605
Does anyone have experience trying to use one of these in an A2000?

No experience, but you can read about them here. they are not the fastest thing but better than nothing. write speeds are really slow:

http://www.codesrc.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=SCSI2SD


From that page:



Performance  EDIT: that didnt clip and display right, check the page!

 As currently implemented:
   Transfer Size (bytes):  512  2048  8192  65536   Read  2MB/s  2.1MB/s  2.5MB/s  2.6MB/s   Write  125kB/s  441kB/s  1.5MB/s  2.3MB/s
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Macabre on March 21, 2016, 11:36:26 PM
I know, its an old thread ... but it's the same subject ...

I think 2 mb/s is "fast" in a A590. My Quantum SCSI i use in an A590 is faster, but i only get just about 1 mb/s on a stock a500..

Hopefully i get mu scsi2sd adapter this week to replace the "airplain" in my a590.
But just wondering if  can prep an SD card and use WINUAE to install/backup everything..

On my A1200 en A4000 this works great, and also for making a hardfile as backup. Its simply a lot faster .
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: Macabre on March 23, 2016, 12:51:51 AM
Today i got mine SCSI2SD adapter and installed it in my A590.

I first tried my smallest micro-sd of 2gb. It seem to work, but gave me block errors when i tried to copy my WHDLoad games to the card from my a4000 by a cardreader.
Same on the pc with winuae.

So i tried a 16gb card. My a590 says its only 2gb (it did recognize my quantum 4.2 gb correctly so must me the adapter). But its enough.

this time i could put my files on the prepped card (prepped on the A500/A590) But only the first partition. The second partition is seen as unformatted in WINUAE and on my A4000 (cardreader).

But i managed to restore my boot partition to the card and copied most games already. I created 2 partitions of 1 gb each. Thats more then enough for this machine.

Oh, and the speed is about 800kb/s. Thats about 200kb/s slower then with my scsi drive. But you dont notice this when working on a stock a500 with only 3 mb of memory.
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: matt3k on March 23, 2016, 01:27:01 AM
Got it running on a warp engine.  Can't get PFS working, so using FFS at the moment.  Using the SCSI2 speedup also.

Works fine...
Title: Re: SCSI2SD adapter
Post by: WeiXing3D on March 23, 2016, 03:25:09 AM
I'm using it in an Amiga 3000 with a 16GB microSD as my main HDD, replacing one of 3 old SCSI HDDs.

I am now configuring a second one to be used in my external SCSI device or side card, where my CD ROM unit is.

I bought 2 SCSI2SD in case I fried one since I am not a hardware type of guy. :laughing:


Quote from: Macabre;806189
Today i got mine SCSI2SD adapter and installed it in my A590.

I first tried my smallest micro-sd of 2gb. It seem to work, but gave me block errors when i tried to copy my WHDLoad games to the card from my a4000 by a cardreader.
Same on the pc with winuae.

So i tried a 16gb card. My a590 says its only 2gb (it did recognize my quantum 4.2 gb correctly so must me the adapter). But its enough.

this time i could put my files on the prepped card (prepped on the A500/A590) But only the first partition. The second partition is seen as unformatted in WINUAE and on my A4000 (cardreader).

But i managed to restore my boot partition to the card and copied most games already. I created 2 partitions of 1 gb each. Thats more then enough for this machine.

Oh, and the speed is about 800kb/s. Thats about 200kb/s slower then with my scsi drive. But you dont notice this when working on a stock a500 with only 3 mb of memory.