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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: giZmo350 on February 19, 2015, 04:06:17 PM
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This should clear things up (a little)!
Somebody should jump on that OS3.5/3.9 IP! :rtfm:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html
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This part:
The status of AmigaOS 3.5/3.9
AmigaOS 3.5/3.9 were developed and distributed by Haage&Partner, under license from Amiga. As far as we know, said license has expired by now (and was even revoked prematurely in OS 3.9's case), meaning that there's no party holding the complete rights to these releases at the moment.
Would be nice to know what parties hold right's to whatever parts of it.
Thanks for sharing the link [size=+1]gizmo350[/size].
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This should clear things up (a little)!
Somebody should jump on that OS3.5/3.9 IP! :rtfm:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html
Isn't 3.5/3.9 based on 3.1's IP? Sounds like you would have to deal with Cloanto as well as H&P. Oh my, what a mess.
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So...a bit confused even after reading it all...does Cloanto own the trademark "Amiga" as applied to hardware? i.e. could they license the name "Amiga" to AEON so it could finally call its computers "Amiga"s instead of "AmigaOne"s?
It's kind of nice to see that the classic Amiga Operating system is finally with a company that will do something with it (at least by offering it for sale as floppies and in Amiga Forever) rather than Amiga Inc or Tulip that just sat on their Commodore IP.
Does Cloanto now own all the hardware designs to the VIC-20, C64, PET, C128, etc. etc., too?
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Does Cloanto now own all the hardware designs to the VIC-20, C64, PET, C128, etc. etc., too?
Sounds like they'd be owned by Acer.
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Time to contact Bernie to start working on the Umilator :-)
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yeah-ronimo for c64?
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The deal was finished in 2012 and we're just now hearing about it. Heh. So much for all those years worth of speculation. ;)
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does Cloanto own the trademark "Amiga" as applied to hardware?
No - as stated in the article, Amiga Inc. still owns all the trademarks, there's even a link to a list of marks they own.
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BTW, this is News-worthy info. Good find @gizmo! :hammer:
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No - as stated in the article, Amiga Inc. still owns all the trademarks, there's even a link to a list of marks they own.
Is there such a thing as, "Trademark Trolling?"
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Isn't that exactly what Amiga Inc have been doing this whole time? "Hey we would like to bring back the Amiga!" -some random company. "Okay, but you can't call it Amiga... oh and you can't run the OS. And well, you can't do blah blah blah."
Weird thing is, I originally thought of the Boing ball as an Atari thing, I think someone had cloned the Boing Ball Demo for both the Atari 8-bit and Atari ST, because I'm pretty sure the first time I saw it was running on a 1040 ST in a computer shop.
So, the weird question here is... if 3.5/3.9 are really no longer viable to legally upgrade (even though there are BB3 and 4) does that mean Cloanto is going to be releasing things like 3.1BB1?
slaapliedje
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So...a bit confused even after reading it all...does Cloanto own the trademark "Amiga" as applied to hardware? i.e. could they license the name "Amiga" to AEON so it could finally call its computers "Amiga"s instead of "AmigaOne"s?
It's kind of nice to see that the classic Amiga Operating system is finally with a company that will do something with it (at least by offering it for sale as floppies and in Amiga Forever) rather than Amiga Inc or Tulip that just sat on their Commodore IP.
Does Cloanto now own all the hardware designs to the VIC-20, C64, PET, C128, etc. etc., too?
I'm hoping it is all the more reason for AEON to develop something new so they "own" it and don't need to follow the crowd. I'm hoping they develop their own operating system, their own patents, etc.
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Time to contact Bernie to start working on the Umilator :-)
Hehehe, that was my first thought too. :)
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Clear as lawyers.
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I'm hoping it is all the more reason for AEON to develop something new so they "own" it and don't need to follow the crowd. I'm hoping they develop their own operating system, their own patents, etc.
you dont even know what it might be, yet you are already cheering?
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No - as stated in the article, Amiga Inc. still owns all the trademarks, there's even a link to a list of marks they own.
And what have Amiga inc done with the amiga rights!, NOTHING.
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This should clear things up (a little)!
Somebody should jump on that OS3.5/3.9 IP! :rtfm:
http://www.amiga-news.de/en/news/AN-2015-02-00027-EN.html
I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.
Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.
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And what have Amiga inc done with the amiga rights!, NOTHING.
In order to maintain a valid trademark you have to prove that you are still using it. Which is funny because in 2006 when Amiga Inc. had to file to renew the "Amiga" trademark at the United States Patent and Trademark Office in order to illustrate that the name was indeed in active use on actual products, it had nothing better than the photo of a Amiga Modem 1200 RS Model 1680 that was made over 20 years ago.
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Is there such a thing as, "Trademark Trolling?"
The way trademarks are enforced sort of encourages "trolling". Pursuing those that may be infringing on your trademark is part of the process of keeping it. Ignoring what could be considered an infringement will make you lose it.
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I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.
Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.
Amiga journalists should answer that, but they tend to prefer to just post info without digging, that's why so many Amigans speculate...
Kamelito
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Amiga journalists should answer that, but they tend to prefer to just post info without digging, that's why so many Amigans speculate...
Kamelito
Have you considered the possibility that some questions might have been asked that were not answered? The alternative then becomes reviewing public information. What if the answer you seek doesn't exist in public information and is only available under NDA? Sometimes you can establish that relationship, but then the inability to transmit what you've learned makes the role of the journalist difficult, no?
I know I was involved in many q/a sessions and interviews over the years. In one case a list of questions was delivered to be asked to a 3rd party by the recipient. In the end...no questions were asked despite the work done to put together and edit the list of questions.
Why? Because the person that we expected to answer the questions "might get upset".
You can probably think of other examples of why an interview or q/a doesn't satisfy everyone.
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Are you kidding me?
Question : Hello Michele, I heard Cloanto own the right to the AmigaOS source code up to 1993 is that true?
Possible answers:
Answer1 : No
Answer2 : Cloanto made me sign an NDA so I can't tell you but I know.
Answer3 : Yes we own the rights since 2012.
Answer4 : Joker, next question.
Answer5 : If I tell you I'll have to kill you
etc.
So basically you can have an answer.
Kamelito
PS I did some interview in the past too mostly for AmigaNews (the french paper magazine not the site)
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I read through the news, but I'm not quite clear about the *real* contents of the news and the difference between what you imply and what they really own. From the IPs that are listed for Cloanto, I believe they own the RKRMs, and the workbench/kickstart disk *binaries*. Whether they have any rights on the sources still seems to be unclear to me, at least the news article does not claim this, and the table there that lists their IPs neither does say a word about sources.
Thus, I don't quite see the news behind this news. It was clear from the beginning that Cloanto had a right to sell the workbench disks and kickstart ROM images. That's old news. What would be "new news" is whether they have any rights on the sources. That's the only part I would be happy to learn.
It was stated elsewhere:
Should you ever want to create your own official "NG" distribution, you can now go to Cloanto for the required 3.1 license and a license to the "Workbench" name, and then try to license the individual OS4 components from their respective developers.
Beyond that you'd have to address your question to the submitter of the article.
#6
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Are you kidding me?
Question : Hello Michele, I heard Cloanto own the right to the AmigaOS source code up to 1993 is that true?
Possible answers:
Answer1 : No
Answer2 : Cloanto made me sign an NDA so I can't tell you but I know.
Answer3 : Yes we own the rights since 2012.
Answer4 : Joker, next question.
Answer5 : If I tell you I'll have to kill you
etc.
So basically you can have an answer.
Kamelito
PS I did some interview in the past too mostly for AmigaNews (the french paper magazine not the site)
The only additional information I can see is how the article is being interpreted regarding how Amiga Games Inc. would provide what they promised, given the comment in the article about emulation:
Amiga Inc. owns the domain name amiga.com as well as all remaining Amiga-related trademarks (partial list, PDF). They do have a license from Cloanto for their activities on the BlackBerry platform, but no license for any other platforms.
That reaction noted:
Here (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=37892&forum=44&start=260&viewmode=flat&order=0)
Note: by now many posts there (links to investor's hub) have been removed, so I'm not sure the context is clear.
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but cloanto can they do something about the amiga (OS) or will it be more of the same. ?
Where there is nothing happening.