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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: fondpondforever on February 16, 2015, 01:06:59 PM
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What is a Good Alternative to the X1000 Computer? Is the Pegasos 2 Motherboard still up to date with the latest Amiga Software. Does it run slower than AmigaOne computer's that have been released within the last few years since Pegasos 2 is almost 10 years old now. How much are PowerPC's these days? Thanks.
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It depends. The only AmigaOS 4 compatible alternative is the upcoming X3500 and X5000, but they are said to cost as much or almost as much. If MorphOS is an alternative pretty much all PPC Macs with the same GHz speed are equal to the X1000, except the G5 that is faster. Except for the RadeonHD GFX cards that are a lot faster than the ones on MorphOS (though the X1000 doesn't have full 3D support yet). After that, it's only the Peg 2 left and it's slower. I should mention (before some else does it for me) that the X1000 is new and comes with warranty, unlike the alternatives.
I got a PowerMac G5 @ 2.7 GHz and a Radeon ATI X800 Gfx card (R400) which cost me about 400 euro (plus SSD, monitor, keyboard etc) and the MorphOS licence of 111 euro.
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What is a Good Alternative to the X1000 Computer? Is the Pegasos 2 Motherboard still up to date with the latest Amiga Software. Does it run slower than AmigaOne computer's that have been released within the last few years since Pegasos 2 is almost 10 years old now. How much are PowerPC's these days? Thanks.
You didn't specify if you want
A: A NextGen Amiga. MorphOS or HyperionOS, either one.
or
B: It has to be HyperionOS4 and only HyperionOS4. MorphOS is banned.
or
C: It has to be MorphOS and only MorphOS. HyperionOS is banned.
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The peg2 is still a pretty good alternatve, I'm happy with the one i have but i wish there was a way to upgrade the graphics to something better than the radeon9xxx. I have used a sam460 equipted with a radeonhd for a few minutes and while there is no w3d support for the newer cards yet i felt that it was better at 2d and would like to have that speedboost on my peg2 too.
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There is no alternative to the X1000 yet- not until the X5000 comes out. The Peg II is far slower than the X1000 (partially because of CPU speed but also much faster RAM in the X1000) and doesn't support things like faster USB, PCI Express etc. - and also you can't use a RadeonHD in a Pegasos II.
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There is no alternative to the X1000 yet- not until the X5000 comes out. The Peg II is far slower than the X1000 .
Speed isn't everything ;)
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Thanks for your help. What's the difference between the X5000 and X3500?
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Thanks for your help. What's the difference between the X5000 and X3500?
Same motherboard, different CPU.
The X5000 have a Freescale P5020 CPU 2GHz, 64-bit e5500 dual-core PowerPC SoC.
X3500 will have a P3041.
Thers another modell too that should have an P5040
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What is a Good Alternative to the X1000 Computer? Is the Pegasos 2 Motherboard still up to date with the latest Amiga Software. Does it run slower than AmigaOne computer's that have been released within the last few years since Pegasos 2 is almost 10 years old now. How much are PowerPC's these days? Thanks.
i've used both machines, and although a pegasos2 is a nice little board (it's my main machine, currently), it doesn't hold a candle to the X1000. there's always the SAM460 boards to look at, too. i've not been their biggest fan given the lack of expandability, but it might meet your needs. but there's plenty of options:
- SAM440ep and SAM440ep-flex boards (used)
- SAM460ex and SAM460cr boards
- AmigaONE XE systems (used)
- Pegasos 2 systems (used)
- microA1 systems (used)
- AmigaONE X5000 (future)
but as for the X5000, i wouldn't plan on getting one anytime soon. just based on how long it took the X1000 to ship, it'll be a while yet. :)
in all seriousness -- if you can afford the X1000, that's the way to go in my view. but whatever you choose, have fun with it!
-- eliyahu
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You, being new to the Amiga, I would recommend to start small and dream Big.
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Also, Google is your friend. (http://bit.ly/1Ehf4vB)
;)
(http://bit.ly/1Ehf4vB)
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Absolutely, Mike!
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Pegasos 2 does everything you need, would be a lot faster if the 9800pro was fully supported. However nobody seems to be interested in releasing a driver for it.
The 9800pro works great in 2d mode just no 3d. (Unless you run MorphOS).
9000pro is the fastest supported card and it does okay, runs everything I want to try.
I have a PCI HD 5000 series card which is detected when both cards are installed but I get no picture with just the HD card. The board just needs a firmware update, good luck getting that though.
You can also run MorphOS/OSX and Linux all triple booting.
You can add USB and SATA cards.
I currently have an adapter from IDE to SATA and I'm using a SSD which helps with speed.
I'm also running 1GB RAM, the Pegasos 2 board is picky on RAM and you have more luck with newer versions. 2GB will show as being detected but after boot things start to get unstable. But AmigaOS never uses the entire 1GB of RAM so no big deal.
Overall it's a good board, and it does everything I've thrown at it and to be honest AmigaOS/MorphOS apps/games are not really that demanding.
If someone supported the 9800pro it would give it a new life.
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Not meaning to hijack the thread, but perhaps one pertinent question is how do the Sam's stack up to the Peg II? Is it worth moving away from Peg II to a Sam?
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The Sam460cr looks like an interesting board, no onboard sound card or SATA for 469,00 €. I have a SATA card and sound card I can use but there's only one PCI slot?
I would have buy a PCI-e sound card.
The board has PCI, PCIe 1x and PCIe 4x and that's it. Going by spec would be similar speed to the Pegasos 2 board but less expandable.
Only plus side is the ability to use modernish cards, still no Warp3D support though ;-) Will stick with the Pegasos 2 and see what the X3500-X5000 look like.
https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/sam-motherboards/96-sam460ex.html
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All out of stock, so Amibay I guess :-/
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The 440ep-flex 800Mhz versions are ok AOS4 starter machines and pci->pci-e adapters and you can use more modern cards but lack 3D due to drivers, my 440ep-flex is the 800Mhz version and I got it quite cheap and put a radeon HD 7770 in it (overkill on the dog slow PCI bus but I had it spare laying around), then a SSD for fast access time.
Works quite good but I prefer my mac mini and morphOS but that's me.
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The Sam460cr looks like an interesting board, no onboard sound card or SATA for 469,00 €. I have a SATA card and sound card I can use but there's only one PCI slot?
I would have buy a PCI-e sound card.
The board has PCI, PCIe 1x and PCIe 4x and that's it. Going by spec would be similar speed to the Pegasos 2 board but less expandable.
Only plus side is the ability to use modernish cards, still no Warp3D support though ;-) Will stick with the Pegasos 2 and see what the X3500-X5000 look like.
https://acube-systemsbiz.serversicuro.it/shop/en/sam-motherboards/96-sam460ex.html
+ Italian VAT if inside EU.
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B: It has to be HyperionOS4 and only HyperionOS4. MorphOS is banned.
I probably shouldn't comment on this, seeing all the replies in the bankrupt thread, but it is AmigaOS not HyperionOS.
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The 440ep-flex 800Mhz versions are ok AOS4 starter machines and pci->pci-e adapters and you can use more modern cards but lack 3D due to drivers,
I bought a HD5450 PCI for $50NZD so no need for an adapter, probably wont see any benefit in something higher at this point in time.
http://www.powercolor.com/US/products_features.asp?id=326
Still no 3D and no Warp3D, but really fast 2D woohoo.....;-)
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I bought a HD5450 PCI for $50NZD so no need for an adapter, probably wont see any benefit in something higher at this point in time.
http://www.powercolor.com/US/products_features.asp?id=326
Still no 3D and no Warp3D, but really fast 2D woohoo.....;-)
Hope you didn't buy that for your Peg II.
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Also, as of now you won't be able to use hardware H264 video decoding on the Pegasos (i.e. Youtube videos in HD)... Bit let down..
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Hope you didn't buy that for your Peg II.
Originally yes as I had a plan ;-) The card is detected when it's a second card, issue being that it wont let me have two ATI cards and stops the ATI driver from working.
Being however that it is shown in the list of devices there must be away of using it with dual cards.
Of course the firmware wont initialize the HD card on it's own so no display.
Overall there are too many limitations and gotchas with NG Amigas, not only hardware but software too is never straight forward.
After building a full blown A1200T (well apart from PPC) and its long long list of issues and restrictions the Amiga NG stuff is nothing although still frustrating.
I still find myself going back to the A500 with a Gotek USB and using WinUAE + AmigaOS 4.1 FE now and then.
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I bought a HD5450 PCI for $50NZD so no need for an adapter, probably wont see any benefit in something higher at this point in time.
http://www.powercolor.com/US/products_features.asp?id=326
Still no 3D and no Warp3D, but really fast 2D woohoo.....;-)
Had missed that there where such a "modern" radeon card for PCI on the market, thanks for the tip :)
It's a nice little card for other builds limited to PCI as well as a substitute for the NVIDIA 8400gs :)
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Had missed that there where such a "modern" radeon card for PCI on the market, thanks for the tip :)
It's a nice little card for other builds limited to PCI as well as a substitute for the NVIDIA 8400gs :)
NP, it's a good card too. Not too bad speed wise, would make a good option for various projects.
Like a 1RU server with only a PCI slot :-)
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Wow, I'm impressed by the helpful advice from everyone. My plan is to get the Pegasus 2 Board equipped to a Power PC. Going to save up for an X5000 when it comes out, that's going to be the big upgrade. Say's on the A-Eon Calendar X5000 for October. Can't be that long to wait.
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NP, it's a good card too. Not too bad speed wise, would make a good option for various projects.
Like a 1RU server with only a PCI slot :-)
Yeah :) I have a dual CPU xeon server taking care of my my torrent seeding, file server etc it could use that as a computing card (the 5450 has opencl support i think) since the pci-e slots are bussy with SAS controllers :)
Got more scenarios/projects I could use it for also :)
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Wow, I'm impressed by the helpful advice from everyone. My plan is to get the Pegasus 2 Board equipped to a Power PC. Going to save up for an X5000 when it comes out, that's going to be the big upgrade. Say's on the A-Eon Calendar X5000 for October. Can't be that long to wait.
If you can make it along to
Recursion (http://www.recursioncomputerfair.co.uk/index.html) in July you'll be see a variety of NG systems in use. Not sure if Amigakit are going or not but if they are they'll probably bring along their X5000.