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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: c64man on February 03, 2015, 04:18:38 PM
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I am pleased to announce the launch of the D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station Second Generation. They come with an AmigaForever Plus Edition License, WHDLoad License, AmigaOS 4.1 License.
You can hook these up to your HDTV with the included HDMI Adapter & cable.
Heres the blog post about it
https://slandon110.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/the-next-generation-of-d-uae-dedicated-amiga-emulation-station/
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Does this come with the genuine physical AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition media? Does the AmigaForever Plus Edition now come with PPC support or am I missing something here. Just wondering.
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Looking better all the time! Any videos of it in operation?
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So it's an HP thin client box running XP embedded. HP T5730/T5740?
HP T5730/T5740 - $60-$90, could be cheaper can buy these in bulk.
Amiga Forever Plus - $30
AmigaOS 4.1 FE - $28
WHDLoad - $30
Amiga Joystick to USB Adapter - $19
HDMI Cable - $5
Total - $172-$202
D-UAE -
$215 In the USA
$275 Internationally
So not a bad deal :-)
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Is WHDLoad registered under the name of the purchaser, would it use the purchasers email address?
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Looking better all the time! Any videos of it in operation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EorrcWZpnKY
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WHDLoad would be registered under my email I use for D-UAE Purposes. It will be coming with the original physical media for AmigaOS 4.1, AmigaForever comes on a USB stick with the system. The latest WinUAE supports PPC Emulation. The reason it includes AmigaForever Plus edition is so the machine is entirely legal with licenses for the ROMs and AmigaOS. I will soon be posting a video of one of the new ones in operation :).
So far its a pretty sweet set up, Hoping to ramp up production in the spring when its warmer and I can set the paint booth up to start doing custom colors. They should be ready to ship by Mid April.
This project has really turned out to be a lot of fun. I really like the small footprint of the thin clients.
The First gens will be dropped to $100 shipped in the USA and 165 shipped internationally. I have another run of 8 being prepared right now. Just waiting on more parts to come in. The next run of the first gens will be using the t5630 so its a bit smaller client, but it runs everything great :)
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I have another run of 8 being prepared right now. Just waiting on more parts to come in. The next run of the first gens will be using the t5630 so its a bit smaller client, but it runs everything great :)
Man, this sounds like fun. I love doing old setups like this. Taking old stuff and making it new again, etc.
Here's a picture of three laptops I just did, each one is from 9-12 years old. Each was given to me as "junk", to "send to electronics recycling". But instead I took pity on them. In each one I upgraded the processor to the fastest chip supported by the motherboard. I maxed out the ram, upgraded the hard drive to a larger, faster model, and upgraded the wireless card to modern standards. I also added Bluetooth to all of them and upgraded the video card and/or video memory. Each one then got a new battery, charger, heatsink/fan, and various other tweaks as needed, and a fresh install of the operating system. Just like with Amiga's, breathing new life back into this old stuff really gives the "warm & fuzzies". Kudos, carry on! :D
Edit: you can see the edge of my "spare" Amiga 2000 underneath the left corner of the desk. One of these days I'll get around to working on her! ;)
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I was aware that WinUAE had gained PPC support, but I didn't realize it was so good that WinUAE could now run OS 4.1. NICE!
I'd really like to see a video of one of these running that!
Anyhow, I think this thin client concept is very cool, emulation or not, it deserves attention, and the pricing isn't bad either. If I wasn't so broke, I order one off you and soon, but alas, I've other priorities in life right now.
The best of luck to you and this ever so interesting venture!
Next up, the D-UAE tablet when the new intel chips become affordable and Pc tablets cheaper? ;)
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I was aware that WinUAE had gained PPC support, but I didn't realize it was so good that WinUAE could now run OS 4.1. NICE!
I'd really like to see a video of one of these running that!
Anyhow, I think this thin client concept is very cool, emulation or not, it deserves attention, and the pricing isn't bad either. If I wasn't so broke, I order one off you and soon, but alas, I've other priorities in life right now.
The best of luck to you and this ever so interesting venture!
Next up, the D-UAE tablet when the new intel chips become affordable and Pc tablets cheaper? ;)
Im working on a D-UAE Laptop next, thin client style laptop, those will also be affordable as the D-UAE
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I'm sure interested in this and as soon as the license checks
come in i'm on board:)..
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Well after a nasty email from Hyperion threatening me with legal action for purchasing a license for each D-UAE, They are saying its not available to OEM manufacturers. Well Im just a small time hobbyist lol. Not running a darn computer company
So I won't be able to include a copy of OS 4.1 with each one. However since the end users of this system aren't building them, You can purchase and install OS 4.1 on the machine yourself.
Id rather not risk buku legal action against me just to make sure each one has a legit copy of OS 4.1
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Glad to know that the bottom-feeding lawyers are still alive and well in Amiga-land! Just in time for the "Better Call Saul" premier this weekend, which I'm sure they'll all be watching for more ideas!
:angryfire: :angryfire: :angryfire:
This is almost as dumb as that other guy being threatened for £2000 for releasing that free "Smurf Rescue" game. Geeze. Guess they'd prefer to not have the sales! :(
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No %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, the Smurf Rescue guy was threatened also? I need to read up on this!
As for Hyper-jerks... ya I don't really care about their sensitivities. You are right, you are small time, there is no way you can hurt them, you can only help them really. They are STUPID for not encouraging and promoting your project.
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Well after a nasty email from Hyperion threatening me with legal action for purchasing a license for each D-UAE, They are saying its not available to OEM manufacturers. Well Im just a small time hobbyist lol. Not running a darn computer company
So I won't be able to include a copy of OS 4.1 with each one. However since the end users of this system aren't building them, You can purchase and install OS 4.1 on the machine yourself.
Id rather not risk buku legal action against me just to make sure each one has a legit copy of OS 4.1
Don't see why they should complain, you were getting them extra sales and due to the limitations of UAE it's not exactly treading on the toes of their PPC hardware partners.
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No %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, the Smurf Rescue guy was threatened also? I need to read up on this!
As for Hyper-jerks... ya I don't really care about their sensitivities. You are right, you are small time, there is no way you can hurt them, you can only help them really. They are STUPID for not encouraging and promoting your project.
They'd be better off pushing a WinUAE version and offering a free cross-grade to buyers who chose to purchase a Sam or X1000.
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They'd be better off pushing a WinUAE version and offering a free cross-grade to buyers who chose to purchase a Sam or X1000.
Sadly though they are both anal and clueless as to what a good idea is let alone how to build friendly relations. :)
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You've got a great idea and it's a shame that those clowns are threatening you.
As far as I'm concerned, Hyperion can go and get stuffed.
Mike.
Well after a nasty email from Hyperion threatening me with legal action for purchasing a license for each D-UAE, They are saying its not available to OEM manufacturers. Well Im just a small time hobbyist lol. Not running a darn computer company
So I won't be able to include a copy of OS 4.1 with each one. However since the end users of this system aren't building them, You can purchase and install OS 4.1 on the machine yourself.
Id rather not risk buku legal action against me just to make sure each one has a legit copy of OS 4.1
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Forget OS4, it's a dead end anyways. Why not preinstall AROS instead?
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Forget OS4, it's a dead end anyways. Why not preinstall AROS instead?
You know im going to give AROS Vision a go in WinUAE and see if it works well. If it does, Itll be an option on both Gen 1 and the future Gen 2 Units.
As far as the lawyers are concerned, I dont want a legal battle, as much as lawyers suck, its better not to tick peeps off.
Thanks for all the support guys, I really appreciate it.
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Well after a nasty email from Hyperion threatening me with legal action for purchasing a license for each D-UAE, They are saying its not available to OEM manufacturers. Well Im just a small time hobbyist lol. Not running a darn computer company
So I won't be able to include a copy of OS 4.1 with each one. However since the end users of this system aren't building them, You can purchase and install OS 4.1 on the machine yourself.
Id rather not risk buku legal action against me just to make sure each one has a legit copy of OS 4.1
you've got to be kidding. i love AOS4 and wouldn't go back to AOS3 for love nor money, but, honestly, what in the name of all that's holy are hyperion thinking?
"hmmm.... someone is developing a product that will provide us license fees. i know, let's send a cease and desist letter!" :lol:
-- eliyahu
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you've got to be kidding. i love AOS4 and wouldn't go back to AOS3 for love nor money, but, honestly, what in the name of all that's holy are hyperion thinking?
"hmmm.... someone is developing a product that will provide us license fees. i know, let's send a cease and desist letter!" :lol:
-- eliyahu
Yes, that's a ridiculous response to someone who is actually helping Hyperion's bottom line. And since you're NOT an OEM manufacturer, you should go ahead and continue selling those systems with copies of OS4. You aren't manufacturing anything. You're reselling a copy of OS4 along with a system manufactured by HP. You're clearly a retailer or reseller. If they decide to pursue you, they'll most certainly lose.....both financially and legally.
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I think you should continue to offer it for sale too!
I'll get the popcorn....
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You aren't manufacturing anything. You're reselling a copy of OS4 along with a system manufactured by HP. You're clearly a retailer or reseller. If they decide to pursue you, they'll most certainly lose.....both financially and legally.
This thought crossed my mind too.
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stay away from anything related to os4 and you are on safe ground. i really dont get it, that people are buying their stuff to support them, being convinced, it is somehow "official continuation of what amiga was", which has been fed to them all the time as excuse, then receive this kind of attitude in return all the time, and then still try to support it.
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Well, could you sign an AOS4.1 resale agreement with Hyperion?
That should make them happy... and it should also allow you to probably get dealer/reseller pricing and make a little bit extra profit on it.
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Bugger 'em.
You're doing nothing wrong. It seems to be yet another exciting adventure of crap that Hyperion seem to think is normal.
It's a crying shame that the amiga is now in the hands of a group of people who think it's their personal playground (despite the fact half of what they have to offer is from the very people they seem determined to feel superior to).
Personally I'd let them take me to court. I've never really been involved in any sort of court case, so it'd be an interesting experience. The fact that nothing illegal has occurred guarantees it'll be an interesting experience kindly paid for by the folks at Hyperion.
They sure seem to like the courts :-)
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I'm guessing the bundling of OS4.1 with an emulated system would a) give a very poor user experience so potentially damage the reputation of 4.1 and b) impact sales of their main hardware partners.
The bundling could be seen by consumers as official endorsement and 'if it's bundled it must work well'. Of course, the experience will be poor - Jonny Consumer may then decide OS4.1 isn't for him so decide against that Sam 460 order.
These companies are supporting a very niche market already. Slating them for trying to protect their reputation, products or partners is a little harsh.
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Keep in mind what the legal director stated quite clearly:
Also, please no business advice.
We'll take our advice from people like Trevor, Matthew Leaman, Steven Solie (who came up with the "Hyperion Blog"), Jens S. from Individual, Michael from Cloanto etc. i.e. people and developers who have put their money where their mouth is or have actually contributed significantly to AmigaOS development.
Take a look at Trevor's recent Blog post and the picture he posted from the meeting in Brussels.
Those are the people that Hyperion management relies on for decision making.
And even if you think they are bad decisions, it is our money and we can spend it any way we want, yes, even on AmigaOS development.
Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35809&forum=33&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0#703022)
Perhaps contacting and discussing ideas would be better served by talking to those he mentioned instead of direct contact with Hyperion.
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Perhaps contacting and discussing ideas would be better served by talking to those he mentioned instead of direct contact with Hyperion.
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I don't think doing an end-around on Hyperion would be such a good idea.
TCMSLP hit the nail squarely on the head! Read between the lines of his post... try to understand how Hyperion does business (and that's not a statement regarding Hyperion, it's a statement regarding "business"). Realistically, for C64MAN to continue reselling AOS4.X he would have to become a "partner" with, not only Hyperion, but those who Hyperion partners with. There's a "chain" of businesses here. The "chain" of businesses simply cannot be held responsible for how their product performs on C64MAN's machines. If even "one" disappointment came back to one of the "authorized resellers/supporters", with how AOS4.x performs on C64MAN's machines - or even requests for general support, or something like "I want my OS4.X product money back" (more than likely on a Amiga user forum), would start a $h!tstorm for all involved in that "chain of business". Well, enough of that... just learn a little something about the business world. Simply put, Hyperion doesn't want to support C64MAN's product. It has nothing to do with the "personal feelings" of the end user/consumer. :) [DISCLAIMER ON]And no, I'm not a representative for Hyperion or trying to be a smarty-pants[/DISCLAIMER OFF]
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I don't think doing an end-around on Hyperion would be such a good idea.
TCMSLP hit the nail squarely on the head! Read between the lines of his post... try to understand how Hyperion does business (and that's not a statement regarding Hyperion, it's a statement regarding "business"). Realistically, for C64MAN to continue reselling AOS4.X he would have to become a "partner" with, not only Hyperion, but those who Hyperion partners with. There's a "chain" of businesses here. The "chain" of businesses simply cannot be held responsible for how their product performs on C64MAN's machines. If even "one" disappointment came back to one of the "authorized resellers/supporters", with how AOS4.x performs on C64MAN's machines - or even requests for general support, or something like "I want my OS4.X product money back" (more than likely on a Amiga user forum), would start a $h!tstorm for all involved in that "chain of business". Well, enough of that... just learn a little something about the business world. Simply put, Hyperion doesn't want to support C64MAN's product. It has nothing to do with the "personal feelings" of the end user/consumer. :) [DISCLAIMER ON]And no, I'm not a representative for Hyperion or trying to be a smarty-pants[/DISCLAIMER OFF]
Who said anything about an "end-around"? And this is a general posting, directed at the thread, not at C64MAN or his projects specifically by any stretch.
These (the people listed) are his (Ben Herman's) advisors...his technical and financial (as in funding) advisors.
If one of those he trusts brings a project to his attention it will carry more weight than an unknown individual approaching Hyperion directly.
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It is not uncommon for companies to use "authorized resellers only" policies with their products. Even Microsoft has different support functionality on OEM versions of software versus retail/box SKU's.
In a case like this, it seems heavy handed. On the other hand, Customer X buys an OS4.1 FE emulation system off an ebay/internet seller, has issues with the OS. The Seller, again, not an "authorized partner" of Hyperion - may or may not be willing to, or even able to - provide a lick of help to said Customer X.
Customer X goes to Hyperion (and likely the Internet as a whole), griping about how their software is crap and "doesn't work" or something. It's pretty apparent why Hyperion would not want that.
I don't imagine Hyperion would want to be on the line for providing support for an unauthorized reseller.
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Who said anything about an "end-around"? And this is a general posting, directed at the thread, not at C64MAN or his projects specifically by any stretch.
These (the people listed) are his (Ben Herman's) advisors...his technical and financial (as in funding) advisors.
If one of those he trusts brings a project to his attention it will carry more weight than an unknown individual approaching Hyperion directly.
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Of course it would be an "end around". You validate that by stating that the people on that list are "advisors".
I'm pretty sure that Hyperion is representative of itself.
The "cease and desist" wasn't issued to C64MAN by anyone on that list. It came from Hyperion. And, the "letter" was sent to C64MAN not to "the thread".
I understand your logic of possibly getting an "advisor" to take up a case to Hyperion, but Hyperion has sole discretion to represent itself.
Hey, I'm not trying to advocate or discredit C64MAN - he could certainly pursue that avenue, but, um, errrr.... like Duce said.... Ugh, my brain hurts. :lol:
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Source (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=35809&forum=33&start=160&viewmode=flat&order=0#703022)
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What the hell is up with that source? I'm not a member of that forum and rarely (i.e., never) look at it, but all I see is post after post reading: "Edited by Mod: This has been addressed" Is it common on that forum for comments to be deleted/edited by mods in that way? How is anyone supposed to what the original question even was? Granted, it is Franko, so it's probably BS questions, but... I dunno. It just rubs me wrong. :(
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Hands up anyone who didn't see this coming. LOL!
I'm amazed you guys still after all these years haven't turned your back on them.
2005 is the year when I got fed up and thought "stuff it" .
I remember it like yesterday.
It was a huge relief :)
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What the hell is up with that source? I'm not a member of that forum and rarely (i.e., never) look at it, but all I see is post after post reading: "Edited by Mod: This has been addressed" Is it common on that forum for comments to be deleted/edited by mods in that way? How is anyone supposed to what the original question even was? Granted, it is Franko, so it's probably BS questions, but... I dunno. It just rubs me wrong. :(
My source link goes to a readable posting, the source of my quote. I realize it's difficult not to read further postings in such a thread, but my attempt was to point only to the words of the owner, to avoid 2nd or 3rd hand opinion on the topic.
Anyway, the entire thread without deletions was preserved for posterity, but I don't call the unedited version a healthy read really
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My source link goes to a readable posting, the source of my quote. I realize it's difficult not to read further postings in such a thread, but my attempt was to point only to the words of the owner, to avoid 2nd or 3rd hand opinion on the topic.
Anyway, the entire thread without deletions was preserved for posterity, but I don't call the unedited version a healthy read really
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LOL. So much drama in our little scene. ;) Oh well, that's what I figured, anyway! :)
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Forget Aros, it's a dead end anyways? Nice little box, though I wonder who powefull it is.
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/benchmark
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Forget Aros, it's a dead end anyways? Nice little box, though I wonder who powefull it is.
http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=browse&cat=utility/benchmark
Aros is a dead end? Explain that a little better because I do not understand you
BTW I run circles around your PPC box with my 68k environment
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BTW I run circles around your PPC box with my 68k environment
This sounds like an elementary school playground. My 20-year-old computer is faster than your 20-year-old computer. Hehe. :lol:
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Aros is a dead end? Explain that a little better because I do not understand you
BTW I run circles around your PPC box with my 68k environment
Aros is the living dead, didn't you know Olaf ? :)
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Aros is a dead end? Explain that a little better because I do not understand you
BTW I run circles around your PPC box with my 68k environment
I think he's just poking fun.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=783245&postcount=19
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you've got to be kidding. i love AOS4 and wouldn't go back to AOS3 for love nor money, but, honestly, what in the name of all that's holy are hyperion thinking?
"hmmm.... someone is developing a product that will provide us license fees. i know, let's send a cease and desist letter!" :lol:
-- eliyahu
and I would not go to "NG" for any money :lol:
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Aros is the living dead, didn't you know Olaf ? :)
oh yes I forgot... :lol:
the most living undead in history
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I am pleased to announce the launch of the D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station Second Generation. They come with an AmigaForever Plus Edition License, WHDLoad License, AmigaOS 4.1 License.
You can hook these up to your HDTV with the included HDMI Adapter & cable.
Heres the blog post about it
https://slandon110.wordpress.com/2015/02/03/the-next-generation-of-d-uae-dedicated-amiga-emulation-station/
simple advice as others already wrote... stay away from Hyperion
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I think he's just poking fun.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=783245&postcount=19
ah ok
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This sounds like an elementary school playground. My 20-year-old computer is faster than your 20-year-old computer. Hehe. :lol:
his SAM is 20 years old already? Wow did not know that
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his SAM is 20 years old already? Wow did not know that
I think it was 1991 when I got my Sam.
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I think it was 1991 when I got my Sam.
the SAM 440 is from 1991?
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Why they are talking about "NG" versus "classic" in relation to PPC then
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First SAM came out late 2008. I pre-ordered my 440ep in fall 2008 and received it around XMas or so.
Still got it and it still runs like a champ.
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the SAM 440 is from 1991?
:confused:
Why they are talking about "NG" versus "classic" in relation to PPC then
Did I say 440? I'll leave you to google it, It won't take long.
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Did I say 440? I'll leave you to google it, It won't take long.
I commented his Sam 440 and you said you got it 1991
I will leave it to you :)
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I commented his Sam 440 and you said you got it 1991
I will leave it to you :)
Just some light hearted fun.
I did genuinely have a Sam computer back in 1991.
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Just some light hearted fun.
I did genuinely have a Sam computer back in 1991.
Did not know that Acube already exists so long
BTW I did not take it seriously and you hopefully not either. We are all "retro" finally :)
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Ahh, yes - the SAM Coupe. Looks like a real turkey of a system, lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM_Coup%C3%A9
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Ahh, yes - the SAM Coupe. Looks like a real turkey of a system, lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAM_Coup%C3%A9
Yeah looking back but it kept me entertained for a few years and the last one I saw sell on Ebay went for £600 and didn't even have a floppy drive so I'll be hanging onto mine for a few more years.
Believe it or not there's still a guy producing hardware, software and even a paper magazine for it.
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Those Speccy clones, and the Speccy itself, were hugely popular in Europe.
We generally used them as doorstops over her in North America. I believe I saw a Speccy once or twice in my life over here.
I never did understand why the Speccy and the various clones were pretty much as rare as hens teeth in North America, considering how wildly popular they were overseas. They have a fanatical following to this day that comes close to rivaling the Amiga, but they were just never seen over here much.
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you've got to be kidding. i love AOS4 and wouldn't go back to AOS3 for love nor money, but, honestly, what in the name of all that's holy are hyperion thinking?
"hmmm.... someone is developing a product that will provide us license fees. i know, let's send a cease and desist letter!" :lol:
-- eliyahu
Tax evasion doesn't work if the shell actually produces a real profit. Just a thought.
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Tax evasion doesn't work if the shell actually produces a real profit. Just a thought.
that's the funniest thing i've read in this thread so far. well played. :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
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Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1. It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license. It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.
There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.
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Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1. It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license. It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.
There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.
No choice?! You have to be joking..... The systems all are HP branded. Nothing about "Amiga" printed on any of them so there's no infringement of any kind.
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Red raised the issue of the legality of the marketing and sale of this machine especially if bundled with OS4.1. It's clearly still using the Amiga name despite not have a license. It looks like Hyperion had no choice but to issue a cease and desist.
There is od course nothing to stop an individual user buying a copy to run on whatever hardware they chose.
But if I where c64man I would not be so keen on producing free marketing for Hyperon's OS4 after such threats he must have gotten.
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No choice?! You have to be joking..... The systems all are HP branded. Nothing about "Amiga" printed on any of them so there's no infringement of any kind.
I didn't say he was branding the hardware with the Amiga name but he is using it for marketing purposes. He's calling it Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station both in this thread and on his wordpress page.
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I didn't say he was branding the hardware with the Amiga name but he is using it for marketing purposes. He's calling it Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station both in this thread and on his wordpress page.
Since when is the brand "Amiga" owned by Hyperion? AmigaOS yes but "Amiga" in general? When you install AMIGAforever on it you can run AMIGA-Software on it. How would you call it?
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Back on topic:
How does it come with registered WHDLoad Key, if your using same email.
That means your using one licence on all your machines.
You should be asking people who buy from you, for their email and then get key from bert for each one.
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Since when is the brand "Amiga" owned by Hyperion? AmigaOS yes but "Amiga" in general?
I haven't claimed the brand Amiga belongs to Hyperion but they do have a very specific agreement with Amiga Inc about what they can and cannot do. Allowing a third party vendor to bundle Amiga OS on hardware that is not defined as target hardware within the agreement could be seen as a breach and land Hyperion in court again.
When you install AMIGAforever on it you can run AMIGA-Software on it. How would you call it?
Just because it can run Amiga emulators it doesn't give him the right to use Amiga in his product name. He is calling it "D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station".
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Hyperion said they don't officially support OS4 on UAE. I guess that means they don't want it sold for that purpose.
Silly, but I agree with them.
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I haven't claimed the brand Amiga belongs to Hyperion but they do have a very specific agreement with Amiga Inc about what they can and cannot do. Allowing a third party vendor to bundle Amiga OS on hardware that is not defined as target hardware within the agreement could be seen as a breach and land Hyperion in court again.
Just because it can run Amiga emulators it doesn't give him the right to use Amiga in his product name. He is calling it "D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station".
First it doesnt run AmigaForever, It is based on a specialized WinUAE Config, The reason it comes with an AmigaForever License is because of the legal issues with the ROMs and Workbench that comes with it. So by purchasing an AmigaForever License for each one, that takes care of the legal issues regarding the roms and workbench software.
First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini, So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. Now what else am I supposed to call it??, It is what it is, a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.
Essentially what you are saying is the Amiga Name is forbidden forever. Im not going to rename it again. Its a good product and it sells well. People enjoy the ease of just plugging in a system and have it work out of the box.
Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1. It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.
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Back on topic:
How does it come with registered WHDLoad Key, if your using same email.
That means your using one licence on all your machines.
You should be asking people who buy from you, for their email and then get key from bert for each one.
I've emailed Bert on the WHDLoad Key issue, and each person that buys is going to provide their email so they can get a WHDLoad Key.
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First it doesnt run AmigaForever, It is based on a specialized WinUAE Config, The reason it comes with an AmigaForever License is because of the legal issues with the ROMs and Workbench that comes with it. So by purchasing an AmigaForever License for each one, that takes care of the legal issues regarding the roms and workbench software.
First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini, So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. Now what else am I supposed to call it??, It is what it is, a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.
Essentially what you are saying is the Amiga Name is forbidden forever. Im not going to rename it again. Its a good product and it sells well. People enjoy the ease of just plugging in a system and have it work out of the box.
Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1. It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.
In addition to what has already been stated about the name "Amiga Mini", you also would be connecting yourself to Amiga Games Inc. (and Bill McEwen). Most of planet Earth would say this is not a good thing.
Source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=37892&forum=44&start=60&viewmode=flat&order=0#719067)
This connection exists due to cross promotion agreements with, amongst others...licensees. In this case CommodoreUSA.
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I really wonder why have you ever intended to bundle your systems with os4. It would only be a gimmick. According to reports it is close to be unusable due to stupid artificial limitations like main memory to 128mb and graphic card with 4mb ram. Not to speak of providing rom images ripped of the accelerator and rtg firmware which may not be legal to commercially distribute. You are looking at lot of problems there, which you might avoid using aros68k if you want an up to date maintained system without all these restrictions and wide legacy software compatibility.
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@c64man, thats a great unit and I just want to say keep up the good work. I would like one and will probably get it in the next couple months.
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Gen 2 will not be sold with OS 4.1. It will be just like Gen 1 except for the fact that it will be quite a bit faster and come with more accessories.
Not that I see Hyp realy having a case but you could make a custom config that will check if OS4 is installed and if not ask for the CD to start the installation... or just make 2 configs one that start the installation and one that works once the installation is done.
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First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini, So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. Now what else am I supposed to call it??, It is what it is, a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.
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Call it what you want, it's not my liability.
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Hyperion and their partners (lets be honest this is a team effort here) aren't going to to let you sell a machine emulating Amiga OS4 because...
1) The name. You need to remove the name Amiga from it entirely unless you have a license to use the trademark. Call it a Dedicated Emulated Station or something.
2) The strategic partnership agreement Hyperion has with ACube and A-Eon. Hyperion's EULA most likely prevents it from being sold on non-approved hardware the same way Apple prevents Mac OSX from being sold on non-Macs. Just look at Psystar: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/09/appeals-court-apple-can-continue-to-restrict-os-x-to-mac-hardware/
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@c64man, thats a great unit and I just want to say keep up the good work. I would like one and will probably get it in the next couple months.
+1 People on the Internet got nothing better to do than nitpick and argue all day long, lol. Don't let it raise your stress level too much. ;)
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I must say c64man, even if we had out disagreements in the past this machine is a lot better then the last one (spec wise), will be great as a dedicated Amiga emu machine and I wish you best luck and keep up the good work!
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First I got heat for calling it the AmigaMini, So i changed the Name to D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. Now what else am I supposed to call it??, It is what it is, a Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station. I can't just call it the Dedicated Emulation Station because it just runs AmigaOS.
Then you do like so many others and call it something that sounds familiar but still different enought to toss a spanner in any lawyer work or you make an acronym that works for you or you digg through old already used or but now obsolete or totaly unrelated names and ask the owner if they allow you to use it.
If I where you I'd go with Amini (a regular surname that just happens to be close to the originally intended name) and maybe use a font like ITC Garamond Italic or Garamond Book (http://www.ufonts.com/fonts/garamond-book.html) in all upper case. :D
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Didn't AROS have to change it's name, as well? (what it stood for, anyway) %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, the only people getting rich off the Amiga name anymore are lawyers. Ridiculous. :(
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Sheesh, as usual the trolls on this site take any discussion and wreck it by devolving it into circular psychobabble while trying to act as arm-chair attorneys. You clowns will quibble to the point of absurdity. Here's an idea for you trolls. This site should change its name to something else because we can't have "Amiga" in the domain name/URL since it's copyrighted by God only knows who.....Change it to http://www.the-os-that-shall-not-be-named.org
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Didn't AROS have to change it's name, as well? (what it stood for, anyway) %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!, the only people getting rich off the Amiga name anymore are lawyers. Ridiculous. :(
That is correct.
AROS drops Amiga from its name! (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3749)
Point of reference: This was in response to the filing a month earlier of Amiga Inc. vs Hyperion VOF.
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Change it to http://www.the-os-that-shall-not-be-named.org
Looks like that's available! :hammer:
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Hyperion and their partners (lets be honest this is a team effort here) aren't going to to let you sell a machine emulating Amiga OS4 because...
1) The name. You need to remove the name Amiga from it entirely unless you have a license to use the trademark. Call it a Dedicated Emulated Station or something.
2) The strategic partnership agreement Hyperion has with ACube and A-Eon. Hyperion's EULA most likely prevents it from being sold on non-approved hardware the same way Apple prevents Mac OSX from being sold on non-Macs. Just look at Psystar: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/09/appeals-court-apple-can-continue-to-restrict-os-x-to-mac-hardware/
you may well have hit the nail on the head with point #2. i just reviewed the EULA that came with my AOS4.1 FE DVD, and the following section in it may be pertinent:
Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to install and use the Amiga OS on a single Amiga-branded or Amiga-licensed computer at a time. This License does not allow the Amiga OS to exist on more than one computer at a time. You may make one copy of the Amiga OS in machine-readable form for backup purposes only. The backup copy must include all copyright information contained on the original. You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the Amiga OS. Except as expressly permitted in this License or by law, you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, distribute or create derivative works based upon the Amiga OS in whole or part or transmit the Amiga OS over a network or from one computer to another. This license allows you to install or operate the Amiga OS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system or which was especially prepared for running Amiga OS through the use of a dedicated flashrom or similar mechanism.
:rtfm:
-- eliyahu
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Looks like that's available! :hammer:
Not anymore, bought it :P Don't know why but had a ring to it haha :)
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Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to install and use the Amiga OS on a single Amiga-branded or Amiga-licensed computer at a time. This License does not allow the Amiga OS to exist on more than one computer at a time. You may make one copy of the Amiga OS in machine-readable form for backup purposes only. The backup copy must include all copyright information contained on the original. You are required to select the appropriate "Locale" setting based on the location where you will be operating the Amiga OS. Except as expressly permitted in this License or by law, you may not decompile, reverse engineer, disassemble, modify, rent, lease, loan, sublicense, distribute or create derivative works based upon the Amiga OS in whole or part or transmit the Amiga OS over a network or from one computer to another. This license allows you to install or operate the Amiga OS only on a computer system that had a version of AmigaOS installed on it at the time you acquired such computer system or which was especially prepared for running Amiga OS through the use of a dedicated flashrom or similar mechanism.
According to this license it is illegal to use WinUAE to run OS4.
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Looks like that's available! :hammer:
It's not available ^^
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According to this license it is illegal to use WinUAE to run OS4.
i think it was pretty clear to start with, that it is considered illegal and only tolerated.
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It's not available ^^
"Firefox can't find the server at www.som99.se"
DNS records not propagated yet? Ha, good play though! :hammer:
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"Firefox can't find the server at www.som99.se"
DNS records not propagated yet? Ha, good play though! :hammer:
Thanks, the domain had a nice ring to it :) But DNS records should soon be done at least ^^
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that's the funniest thing i've read in this thread so far. well played. :roflmao:
-- eliyahu
Guess the shell didn't work out so hot after all. :P
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68849
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The one in this video is Expensive but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqh99s6PnAQ
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Parts have arrived for D-UAE Gen 2 and are available for pre-order now. They will ship within 14 days.