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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: eliyahu on December 11, 2014, 03:16:39 PM
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A-EON Technology is pleased to announce that it has purchased the AmigaOS source code and development rights for Aladdin4D from DiscreetFX. As part of the agreement A-EON will exclusively own the Aladdin4D 68K and PPC source code, domain name, brand and rights for all AmigaOS and related versions including emulation and future MorphOS and AROS ports. Meanwhile DiscreetFX will retain the rights for non-Amiga relatd operating systems....
wow. so, that was unexpected. :lol:
-- eliyahu
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wow. so, that was unexpected. :lol:
-- eliyahu
Thank goodness!
Now maybe some development will actually get done.
A-Eon, please contact me - I might be the last active Aladdin4d user out there and I have a ton of suggestions.
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Nice. Will the Windows version still come free with the AmigaOS version?
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Nice. Will the Windows version still come free with the AmigaOS version?
Im not going to pretend I know the answer to that question, but noticed that DiscreetFX retains the rights for non-Amiga related OSs;
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Encouraging to see more development work going ahead.
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@thread
personally i'm just thrilled with where they're going. development projects in flight from A-EON include libreoffice, octamed soundstudio, personal paint, aladdin4D, amistore, etc., etc. and the best thing is that for most of these software projects, in addition to being developed for next-gen machines, they're keeping stuff updated for AOS3.x machines, too. it's just terrific.
-- eliyahu
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It would be awesome if they bought Papyrus and Pagestream next.
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wow. so, that was unexpected. :lol:
-- eliyahu
Hey I have an announcement just like that coming ;D
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Very cool.
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This is good news. Aladdin 4D was heading into oblivion with DiscreetFX for whatever reasons they told us.
I am glad it is now in hands of a company that wishes to do something about it.
This is a good move from A-EON.
As someone commented before, it would be nice to see other orphan, but good software like PageStream get some love.
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Great news! PageStream would be awesome, also how about IBrowse? *hint hint* ;)
Also, queue the conspiracy theories in 3... 2... ;)
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Now if someone could find the holder of the SoftWood's Final Suite and force them to take some money we can have some good 68K stuff again.
Chris
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OpenOffice is better than any Amiga versions. Word Perfect is the exception. I did like Final Writer, but it would need a lot modernising.
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Open Office on 68k? not enough horsepower.
Chris
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Dare I guess that 180 AROS users need to cough up money in advance to even get you to try compile it for AROS?
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If I wanted to use free open source software I'd stick to windows or linux
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If I wanted to use free open source software I'd stick to windows or linux
Now that is a real Amiga spirit I like :-)
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If I wanted to use free open source software I'd stick to windows or linux
Are you deriding free / open source in some way? Only there's a tonne of non-open souce software on those two operating systems, Far more so than AmigaOS, so if you really dont want to stick linux or windows your choice of proprietary software is going to be severely hindered.
Just what did you mean by that comment?
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Now that is a real Amiga spirit I like :-)
Let me ask you this;
How much development would you expect to be done on Aladdin4d if noone acquired it?
Same goes for Octamed StudioSound and Personal Paint; been left derelik for decades, so if someone like AeonKit decides to buy the rights to continue develop utility programs on AOS (and possibly other platforms)
Id say its a good thing. For those that dont need a upgraded/changed version, they probarly already got the software installed/saved on harddrives/disks or just need to "google" it.
Recouping costs seems natural if they plan to acquire and develop several titles. And by the looks of it, we are probarly in for more suprises.
(ofcourse we dont know what plans AeonKit got for A4d)
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Dear A-eon:
I would love to support aladdin 4d !!!
I promise to come up with new tutorials and projects.
Good Luck A-eon !!!
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Can I put a request/hint in for Photogenics and TurboCalc? ;)
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If I wanted to use free open source software I'd stick to windows or linux
So why are you still here, take off already !!
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If I wanted to use free open source software I'd stick to windows or linux
It's a matter of tastes i suppose, but i want to use the free open source software in the OS of my choice
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Let me ask you this;
How much development would you expect to be done on Aladdin4d if noone acquired it?
Same goes for Octamed StudioSound and Personal Paint; been left derelik for decades, so if someone like AeonKit decides to buy the rights to continue develop utility programs on AOS (and possibly other platforms)
That is not what I meant. Besides, I never used Personal Paint or Aladdin4D or OctaMED. I did not buy PPaint because I dont use it but if I needed I could consider buying a tool I need. It is not problem.
I just found Everblue's comment funny.
Id say its a good thing. For those that dont need a upgraded/changed version, they probarly already got the software installed/saved on harddrives/disks or just need to "google" it.
Recouping costs seems natural if they plan to acquire and develop several titles. And by the looks of it, we are probarly in for more suprises.
(ofcourse we dont know what plans AeonKit got for A4d)
There is a surprise coming but I cant tell you or I would have to kill you ;)
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(whaaaaa, you edited out the question to me while I wrote this)
Me? Nothing.
For the most part I use computers for "officework" and workrelated training (CBTs-Computer Based Training).
Doesnt change the fact that upgraded software and acquiring rights seems to cost manhours. Im not blind to that fact just because I personally wont have any use for it.
Personal Paint I could find use for. Good PDF editor and officepackage with a good "powerpoint" presentation features, and Im personally set.
But not everyone is as boring as me. Plenty of creative people around, that I would assume welcomes updated versions that works flawlessly on their favorite OS (whatever that may be).
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(whaaaaa, you edited out the question to me while I wrote this)
Yes sorry about it ;)
But not everyone is as boring as me. Plenty of creative people around, that I would assume welcomes updated versions that works flawlessly on their favorite OS (whatever that may be).
If someone continues the development it is a good thing. If you have this "someone", that is ;)
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Yes sorry about it ;)
If someone continues the development it is a good thing. If you have this "someone", that is ;)
That IS the big question, wether or not they have manpower to actually upgrade the software beyond making them running 100% stable on AOS4.x (and other Amiga related platforms).
Would actually be intresting to hear a general comment about what plans they have with the different programs/utilities.
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Where can one buy the current version of Aladdin 4D which works with OS4.1?
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That IS the big question, wether or not they have manpower to actually upgrade the software beyond making them running 100% stable on AOS4.x (and other Amiga related platforms).
Doesnt it run already?
Would actually be intresting to hear a general comment about what plans they have with the different programs/utilities.
I am sure they wish to develop it further. But it is quite large package and developing such beast is more like full time job. Then it would not hurt if you had some interest to modelling and rendering and have knowledge about other similar packages what they can do.
It is tough.
Reason why development of these software packages was stopped... not enough demand, not enough users, not enough money. H&P claim they sold 15000 AmigaOS copies in late 90s. Now try to relate that figure to this day, 15 years later and you see it has not get better in that regard. User base is smaller than it was when this software was maintained.
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That is not what I meant. Besides, I never used Personal Paint or Aladdin4D or OctaMED. I did not buy PPaint because I dont use it but if I needed I could consider buying a tool I need. It is not problem.
I just found Everblue's comment funny.
There is a surprise coming but I cant tell you or I would have to kill you ;)
I love surprises. :)
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The comment about making software run 100% stable on AOS was more a general comment about old software.
And comparing sales and availability today vs 15 years ago is a bit hard.
Id imagine the cost overhead selling thru a Online Store is much cheaper than with Floppies/CDs like in the past. Plus then people had to order thru mail or get it in a shop.
With Online stores people are much more likely to do impulse purchases with stuff they MIGHT need cause it looks "shiney".
Yes, the active userbase was much bigger back then, but Id say Amiga vendors/developers can access customers much more effectivly now.
BUT Im not the guy balancing the spreadsheets. AmigaKit runs a buissniss with salaries based on Amiga platform. To have been able to make it viable for so long, he/they must have found a balance between expenses and income. If not; a company will inevitably go bankrupt (yes, I am aware that Trevor does have a healthy economy from activities outside Amigaland, which makes acqusitions easier/safer).
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I love surprises. :)
Who doesn't :)
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This is awesome news of course! :hammer:
All my experience lies with Imagine though, I think I understand however since Aladdin has probably been actively maintained where Imagine for all intents and purposes stopped long ago.
Maybe I'll need to give Aladdin4D a go! There isn't a book out there called "Understanding Aladdin4D 2.0" by Steve Worley by any chance? :banana::crazy:
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Can I put a request/hint in for Photogenics and TurboCalc? ;)
I second Photogenics . . . :-)
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Looks like "termanills " has reached an agreement with the holder of "Softwood". Info here:
" http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6380&forum=3 "
Chris
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Are you deriding free / open source in some way? Only there's a tonne of non-open souce software on those two operating systems, Far more so than AmigaOS, so if you really dont want to stick linux or windows your choice of proprietary software is going to be severely hindered.
Just what did you mean by that comment?
@everyoneelsewhodidntlikemycommenttoo
I have nothing against free software/open source, such as Gimp, Inkscape, OpenOffice, etc. But these already run very well on cheap hardware - I don't need a 2500 Euro machine for it. I would expect special software for a special OS, thats all.
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So why are you still here, take off already !!
Because this is not a Windows or Linux forum :)
Also, this thread is about reviving old real Amiga software and bringing it up-to-date with today's requirements. That is exactly what I want. The fun has just started.
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Because this is not a Windows or Linux forum :)
Also, this thread is about reviving old real Amiga software and bringing it up-to-date with today's requirements. That is exactly what I want. The fun has just started.
Yes I would like to buy it too, software is portable it DOESN'T NEED to be tied to hardware. So that's why I said I expect to be able to buy an AROS version like everybody else buys a AmigaOS4 version or a MorphOS version, so don't disappoint me AGAIN and make different rules rules just for MorphOS and AROS.
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To be honest, I would be surprised if this software is made available even for Morphos. A-Eon want to sell X1000s, so they make software for Amiga OS.
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Now if someone could find the holder of the SoftWood's Final Suite and force them to take some money we can have some good 68K stuff again.
Chris
Wordworth rocked on the Miggy as far as I was concerned. I still have a downloaded version of Wordworth 1.0 for the PC somewhere. They shoudl maybe persuade whoever owns Digita these days to hand Wordworth over for a bundle of notes.
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Looks like "termanills " has reached an agreement with the holder of "Softwood". Info here:
" http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?topic_id=6380&forum=3 "
Chris
:pint:
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Because this is not a Windows or Linux forum :)
Also, this thread is about reviving old real Amiga software and bringing it up-to-date with today's requirements. That is exactly what I want. The fun has just started.
Do you realize that Amiga operating systems are using free and open source software that was not written on Amiga at all? :)
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@Itix is A-EON buying Morphos? :)
Kamelito
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Isn't Photogenics written in E?
Kamelito
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Wordworth rocked on the Miggy as far as I was concerned.
+1
I wrote my dissertation on it back in the heady days of 1995. :pint:
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Do you realize that Amiga operating systems are using free and open source software that was not written on Amiga at all? :)
MEmacs? :)
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Isn't Photogenics written in E?
No. Or, at least, v5 isn't as it's multi-platform.
The older ones might have been, it did get a big rewrite at one point which also resulted in the loss of the ARexx port.
Although E wouldn't be a massive problem these days, as we have PortablE.
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It will be interesting to see if Trevor and company continue development of the non-Amiga versions of this program.
While development on Aladdin might have appeared to have reached a stand still, I can assure you that the original owner was actively recruiting coders to promote development on multiple platforms.
Since I was one of those programmers, and I have seen the existing source code, its my opinion that Trevor has a nice base to build from.
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Maybe something good will come to Amigaos.
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They should buy Music-X, maybe the X will give them the incentive to buy.
X5000
Music X
etc..
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+1
I wrote my dissertation on it back in the heady days of 1995. :pint:
I wrote mine on it in 2004, still a great piece of software.
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Wordworth rocked on the Miggy as far as I was concerned. I still have a downloaded version of Wordworth 1.0 for the PC somewhere. They shoudl maybe persuade whoever owns Digita these days to hand Wordworth over for a bundle of notes.
There was still some guys from the Amiga era at Digita when I contacted them in 2011, they even gave me a licence key code for Wordworth 7 that I could share with other Amiga users.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34734&forum=32#641999
Pretty much the only thing that Wordworth needs is support for loading/saving .docx files and PDF export to be perfect really.
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Wordworth doesn't have true color image support, that sucks. I found out the hard way by buying it more than ten years ago. To make things worse the second hand copy I bought turned out to be pirated... :)