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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: c64man on October 16, 2014, 04:21:50 AM
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Hey guys, Im taking Pre-orders for the next run of D-UAE Dedicated Amiga Emulation Stations. Let me know your interest in this thread. I will have 10 systems available this run. I hated to increase the cost but the cost of hardware fluctuates, and I am now including an upgraded version of AmigaForever the Plus Edition
The D-UAE is a dedicated emulation station, It is based on WinXP Embedded and WinUAE. It boots into ClassicWB 3.1 in Picasso96 Mode. It is loaded with a ton of Demos, It has Ethernet and serial support on the Amiga side. The system is highly configurable. Can even run OS 3.9 if you have the license for it. It is configured to run WB 1.3, 2.0 and 3.1, All the Workbench ADFs and HDFs are included on the internal 16GB Flash memory. Which is easily removable to backup to your own personal hard drive.
This system will run any bit of Amiga software you throw at it.
System Specs are as follows
- AMD Sempron 2200+ Processor
- 1GB RAM
- 1GB Internal Flash that holds XPe
- 16GB Internal Removable USB flash memory that holds UAE and all associated files. Easily backed up to your own hard drive.
- Clonezilla Image of all files included will be available for download :)
- 8GB USB Flash drive for easy file transfer to the D-UAE
- AmigaForever Plus License is included A 29.95 Value in the purchase price and comes on a USB flash drive :)
Pricing is 135.00 Shipped in the USA
Anywhere in the world $200 shipped
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Still a great price, good luck with your sales!
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Does this perform well with the PPC emulation from the latest winuae betas? Is it at least as usable in that regard (performance-wise) as a csppc or bppc?
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Sempron 2200+ - are they even available new now? Which motherboard are you pairing this with?
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@c64man - You did a typo, there ain't no Sempron 2200+ socket S1 you mean the 2100+ (1GHz) CPU :)
Does this perform well with the PPC emulation from the latest winuae betas? Is it at least as usable in that regard (performance-wise) as a csppc or bppc?
A low power 1GHz CPU do not perform to well for PPC emulation no.
Sempron 2200+ - are they even available new now? Which motherboard are you pairing this with?
So far he has been using HP t5735 Thin Clients, which are nice little machines, tho a 1GHz CPU is not the hottest on the market but enough for most normal Amiga emulation.
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They work great for what they are. Im waiting for the t5740s to come down in price, then they will be intel atom based, but those are still selling for 75 bucks a piece. Ive not had any complaints, and people love them.
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They work great for what they are. Im waiting for the t5740s to come down in price, then they will be intel atom based, but those are still selling for 75 bucks a piece. Ive not had any complaints, and people love them.
In most cases the Sempron 2100+ is a lot faster then the Atom N280 (overall 26% faster), even tho the Atom is clocked at 1.66GHz and the Sempron at 1GHz the Atom is slower per clock since the Atom is meant to be more power efficient.
2.5W TDP vs 8W TDP.
So I would stay with the T573x series since they are faster.
The pros is that the T5740 can handle up to 4GB ram and has SATA, but for what it will be used for I would pick CPU power in this case.
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Sold
How do i get one from you
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Sold
How do i get one from you
Pmed you with payment details :)
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you should create option #2.. no hardware, just the ISO image for people who can find the thin client on their own and do not wish to buy another.
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you should create option #2.. no hardware, just the ISO image for people who can find the thin client on their own and do not wish to buy another.
+1 I already have a t5735 not in use
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I'd avoid any Atom boxes like the plague. I've tried using them as emulation machines and they were beyond miserable.
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you should create option #2.. no hardware, just the ISO image for people who can find the thin client on their own and do not wish to buy another.
Im working on that right now as we speak, a 16GB Flash drive containing clonezilla images of the systems. So you can get your own T5735 and just clonezilla it
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I'd like to point out what som99 just posted in the other, now closed thread about c64man allegedly claiming the CPU to be faster than it actually is:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=775475&postcount=2
Personally, I can't imagine a 1 Ghz CPU being all that useful for emulating an Amiga. You'll also note that the promotion video on the website never shows any Amiga games or applications running. Not to mention that the Workbench setup shown in this video doesn't look like too much time was spent fine-tuning things.
The business model in general strikes me as greedy. Buy old, practically useless thin clients somewhere, slap a new OS setup on the CF card, then sell for 135 USD? That's some nice pocket money. And abusing a community site for aggressive spamm^h marketing (12 threads or something like that have been opened about the "AmiGO", "Amiga Mini", "D-UAE" so far) isn't my cup of tea either.
To those who want to buy the OS setup seperately: He can't do that, as it contains Windows XP. I doubt selling heavily modified versions on DVD is covered by the XP license.
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This is not a heavily modified version of Windows XP, its Windows XP Embedded, which every T5730,5735 owner has legal rights to as it is freely available for download from HP's website.
As far as speedwise it runs games just fine, these are fine tuned systems fully tested before sale.
The workbench pack that is included is ClassicWB 3.1 in Picasso96 mode. I did not tweak that experience, and ClassicWB 3.1 is available for anyone to download and set up on your own system.
I am not greedy, You are paying for the hardware and the cost of an AmigaForever Plus license which is 30 dollars in itself. The thin clients run me on average between 35-45 dollars each. then the cost of a 16GB Flash drive which runs around 15 dollars in my neck of the woods, same with the 8GB you get with it which contains AmigaForever. So its $110 just in hardware. I also include shipping which runs another 12 dollars plus the cost of packing material. So im right on the ballpark with pricing.
I do this for fun, not to make a ton of money. This is an affordable way for someone who cant afford a real amiga to get the experience of having the amiga like experience.
I'd like to point out what som99 just posted in the other, now closed thread about c64man allegedly claiming the CPU to be faster than it actually is:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=775475&postcount=2
Personally, I can't imagine a 1 Ghz CPU being all that useful for emulating an Amiga. You'll also note that the promotion video on the website never shows any Amiga games or applications running. Not to mention that the Workbench setup shown in this video doesn't look like too much time was spent fine-tuning things.
The business model in general strikes me as greedy. Buy old, practically useless thin clients somewhere, slap a new OS setup on the CF card, then sell for 135 USD? That's some nice pocket money. And abusing a community site for aggressive spamm^h marketing (12 threads or something like that have been opened about the "AmiGO", "Amiga Mini", "D-UAE" so far) isn't my cup of tea either.
To those who want to buy the OS setup seperately: He can't do that, as it contains Windows XP. I doubt selling heavily modified versions on DVD is covered by the XP license.
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This is not a heavily modified version of Windows XP, its Windows XP Embedded
A Windows version that has the actual Windows branding removed and does not boot into the normal desktop certainly fits my (and most likely Microsoft's) definition of "heavily modified".
Now if you're okay with making up your own licensing terms, I won't try to convince you otherwise. I'm just saying a stand-alone distribution would be an even dumber idea, so people should stop asking for it.
So its $110 just in hardware
I arrive at $95-$105 when adding up your numbers?
This is an affordable way for someone who cant afford a real amiga to get the experience of having the amiga like experience.
The really affordable way is to just buy Amiga Forever and use the included KX Light (http://www.amigaforever.com/kxlight/) - it uses Linux (a modified Knoppix, to be precise) to achieve what you are doing with Windows XP.
As far as speedwise it runs games just fine, these are fine tuned systems fully tested before sale.
You did (again) not reply to som99's remark about the processor used in these thin clients. Care to comment?
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Actually, MS doesn't have anything to do with the HP embedded license. HP is the holder of those embedded licenses as they were purchased by HP for resale with the thin client machine. HP has their own terms of licensing for those machines. Also, the reason that it is OK to distribute the embedded XP license is because the HP license of XP won't run on anything other than that HP thin client; hence, freely available from HP. I doubt that there is even a 25 digit license key sticker on the HP thin client machine at all. No license to activate because it's an HP OEM license. The terms of the license would be available from HP. Booting straight to UAE has nothing to do with modifying the XP operating system either. These are facts, sorry.
As far as selling price goes, what do you care?
The only real crime I've seen here is that really dirty monitor screen in his video... :roflmao:
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Geeze, why are people still arguing about this? +1 to everything @gizmo350 said. I have absolutely no use for one but don't begrudge the guy his right to sell them. Heck, I'm almost tempted to buy one just as a "stick in the eye" to all the naysayers and to support the poor bloke over the roasting he's taken in this community. :bitch:
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I do not care that he is selling them, but I care that he is stating it's a Sempron 2200+ which is a 1,5GHz CPU but in reality it only has the AMD Mobile Sempron 2100+ which is at 1GHz, that's quite the difference, the strange thing is that I have nicely pointed it out a few times without any response and he keeps writing that it's another CPU then that is.
That is plainly lying to customers. Would you be happy if you bought a computer said to be 1.5GHz and got a 1GHz CPU or a 3GHz computer that only is a 2GHz computer? Same % difference and that's not even mentioning that the Mobile CPU has lower performance per clock then the desktop one he is claiming it to be. He have even replied that it's a 1.8GHz CPU at one point.
So he keep making threads stating it has a CPU it don't and do not edit the threads after beeing told so over and over.
But sure I can sell a 030 accelerator and state it has a MMU CPU clocked at 50MHz and the person will get a non MMU 33MHz CPU card, I am sure no one would mind...
It's not like it's hard to press edit on a post and fix it, he even writes false specs on other places then this, he can not have missed it since it's been pointed out many times now.
I started out nicely talking to him giving him advice in how to upgrade the CPU if he wanted to and I can even suply him with a custom BIOs I made that adds CPU ID's for faster CPU's then the Original BIOS ROM can handle, I myself have a lot of thin clients so I know what I am talking about, ive soldered another RAM socket and got a 2.2GHz CPU running on the exact same system.
How can no one else then me and cgutjahr see that this is a problem?
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It might be nice if people cut some slack here. IF we see the Clonezilla posted and available then there will be proof this isnt about making money. I can get one of the boxes easily but would love to have an easy way to Amigafy the box.
Good luck to him, if he posts a link to a DIY ISO also. Give the guy a chance first!
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I might be interested.
Any chance I can see what I would be buying?
Thanks!
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I might be interested.
Any chance I can see what I would be buying?
Thanks!
Heres the blog post about it with everything you need to know including a demo video
http://slandon110.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/d-uae-the-dedicated-amiga-emulation-station-with-amigaforever/
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Heres the blog post about it with everything you need to know including a demo video
http://slandon110.wordpress.com/2014/10/08/d-uae-the-dedicated-amiga-emulation-station-with-amigaforever/
The specs still states it's a Sempron 2200+ which is a 1.5GHz CPU but there is actually a Mobile Sempron 2100+ 1GHz cpu, why do you not edit that, why do you balantly ignore when someone tell you that?
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The specs still states it's a Sempron 2200+ which is a 1.5GHz CPU but there is actually a Mobile Sempron 2100+ 1GHz cpu, why do you not edit that, why do you balantly ignore when someone tell you that?
I find that a little odd, anyone can make a mistake, but when pointed out there is normally some reaction. Either "Thanks, I fix that" or "Your wrong, it stays the way it's listed" come to mind, but no reaction.........hmmm.
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If this is the kind of reaction im going to get from this project then they will go on ebay and thats where they will stay, in fact ive sold a number on ebay and have had no complaints about the pricing specs or anything.
Im not trying to make a killing off these things, Just trying to cover my costs. And I will be releasing a clonezilla image of the config once I sort out the costs for that. I designed this system and Im not going to just give it away. Sorry I worked too hard on this just to do that.
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If this is the kind of reaction im going to get from this project then they will go on ebay and thats where they will stay, in fact ive sold a number on ebay and have had no complaints about the pricing specs or anything.
Im not trying to make a killing off these things, Just trying to cover my costs. And I will be releasing a clonezilla image of the config once I sort out the costs for that. I designed this system and Im not going to just give it away. Sorry I worked too hard on this just to do that.
Appreciate that you are not trying to make a killing of the machines and I have not complained about that, but you have not replied even once on why you keep writing the wrong CPU and wrong speeds of it.
I have not complained on anything about your project just plainly pointed out that you keep writing the wrong CPU and you keep ignoring it, making new threads still writing wrong.
Why do you ignore it, why do you not just change it to the correct information about the specifications of your machine?
If you do not know how to check what CPU is used in the machine you can see this in BIOS, in windows system overview and to be 100% sure install CPU-Z to see detailed specifications about the CPU.
Here you got the specs of the machine from HP: http://www8.hp.com/h20195/v2/GetDocument.aspx?docname=c04142146
No one on ebay have complained because they haven't noticed it, but that doesn't make it right to falsely advertise the wrong specifications. Even now you did not reply on why you keep writing the wrong cpu?
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If this is the kind of reaction im going to get from this project then they will go on ebay and thats where they will stay, in fact ive sold a number on ebay and have had no complaints about the pricing specs or anything.
Im not trying to make a killing off these things, Just trying to cover my costs. And I will be releasing a clonezilla image of the config once I sort out the costs for that. I designed this system and Im not going to just give it away. Sorry I worked too hard on this just to do that.
Are you going to post details of the Clonezilla image costs shortly? You read my PM but never replied unfortunately :(
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Are you going to post details of the Clonezilla image costs shortly? You read my PM but never replied unfortunately :(
Evidently not since you've been on several times since and no posts or replies... I think at least a reply is common courtesy!
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C64man, you have no manners and it seems offer zero support for your customers!
If anyone is interested in collaboration on a freely available (you'd need your own legit XP licence) slimmed XP/XP/WinFLP and WinUAE package (on more than just this machine) feel free to get in touch. Not looking to make money, not looking to sell anything, just to share and enjoy!! SAE anyone?
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@Methanoid
I'd be interested in collaborating with you. Although I think it would make more sense to use a *nix system as basis.
Lower overheard and more customization options.
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I am selling my T5730... too many machines and havent the time to set up another Amiga system. Sorry!
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The D-UAE Project has run its course. The availability of hardware has dried up. I am looking at another solution as we speak.
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The D-UAE Project has run its course. The availability of hardware has dried up. I am looking at another solution as we speak.
A low cost Intel Celeron dual core or AMD FM1 based system could be built cheaply.
A board based on a mobile AMD processor could be even cheaper.
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The project is dead for good. Thanks to a few in the Amiga community who felt it necessary to bully me out of existence. I dont need the drama and crap this community has.
So I bid you all Good Day and goodbye
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He will really do well by blaming others for his business failing.
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@c64man
Just out of curiosity I'm interested in what @#$#>>#@@!!! legal issues you could possibly have on the copyright front ?
Paying Cloanto their fair share (1/2 of price of machine) seems more than enough to justify legality of your project.
Dedicated Amiga Emulation Station seems like a very legal name for a project too.Sorry it ended this way for you :angry:
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Sorry to hear things didn't pan out for you, but I'd be lying if I didn't see the issues you've suffered coming from day one.
In retrospect, you would have been 1000 times better off just following your heart in the belief that you are offering a good value for the products you're selling and leaving the community Peanut Gallery out of it entirely. This community is a hell of a group of people to please one way or another.
And yes, I'm aware how that makes me sound like a hypocrite. I was likely the first person to raise issue when you were selling the systems before you decided to include a legal copy of AF with it, but I meant no malice by that. I simply didn't want you to hit any legal snags, and I sure never wanted you to receive the verbal lashings you have. I find it offputting to listen to people claim you're making monthly payments on a foreign sportscar by selling rebadged UAE thin client machines, when in fact you're apt to be losing money, if anything.
At the end of the day, anyone can throw together what is effectively roadside rubbish PC hardware and make themselves a UAE emulation station for next to nothing, costs wise. Not everyone wants to go through that effort, and some people were indeed interested in your low profile, reasonably priced, efficient thin client solutions. If they weren't, you wouldn't have sold a single one, and that does speak volumes.
There's a market there for such machines, and I hope you stick with it.
Best of luck.
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If someone came around to my house to build me one of these and I had bought all the necessary parts, I'd think that it would deserve at least a six pack of *good* beer and that's if he is local and a friend.
I do not understand why anyone would begrudge someone a little recompense for their work, and you know, even if they had it down pat, that still takes nothing away from the value of the effort put into it. $135 seemed a very reasonable price for a machine that can boot effectively straight into an Amiga so that someone can play all the old games, I don't believe it was advertised as a power machine was it? So as long as it manages, I see no problem especially if the install of XP is optimized for low-overhead, Windows itself being one of the major drags of performance for any app.
I do however agree, that if the machine is specced 1ghz, it should reflect that in advertising or evidence shown that it is what it is otherwise.
But still, this looks/looked far from a rip-off and, no offence to the detractors, I don't see y'all offering the same kit/service for any less. But now that the coast is clear for you, I'm sure you will all jump at the chance to provide the much better service that c64man was failing to deliver. I wait with bated breath.
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I do not understand why anyone would begrudge someone a little recompense for their work
It's the Amiga community, it's what we do :(
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It's the Amiga community, it's what we do :(
Ain't that the truth! :destroy:
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It's the Amiga community, it's what we do :(
I thought expecting it for free was how the Amiga community operated.
Or was that what you meant?
In any case, I'm sorry to see this one die.