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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmiDelf on February 17, 2004, 07:07:26 AM
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Its hard for me to say this, but AmigaOS4 wont have any future
if its not comming out now! Even in its beta stage.
The reason for this, is that the community. I know more and more
people is going to PegasosII and MorphOS. This is not a campaign
made by me or something to get you buying Pegasos. I am still a
AmigaOS4 waiter, but the wait is too long. So for many others.
I've ordered a PegasosII board now, with MorphOS. I know that
the development is going on there, and I know that the Amiga
community wich was, is gathering arround MorphOS.
Amiga Inc and Hyperion needs to wake up! Keeping delaying this
product all the time, and I cant imagine that MorpbOS and AmigaOS4
is that different to each others.
MorphOS boots up fast, its got a very nice look, it got MUI intergrated
to its system. It got mplayer for playing allmost all sorts of codecs
out there. You have CygnusEDPPC version for MorphOS++
This might be a promotional for MorphOS. But AmigaOS4 is hurting
me. Its not out, I just see pictures of it. AmigaOS4 is a shame. I mean
it and Hyperion should really re-think their strategies. Because MorphOS
is taking one by one piece of the community every day as long as
AmigaOS4 aint out.
To this date. MorphOS is the fastest OS in the world, wich is out for public. I
dont know whats with AmigaOS4. I dont know anything and it scares me.
I love MorphOS now! It also got JIT emulation of AmigaOS. Running Deluxe Paint,
TvPaint, and other 68x aint a problem at all too.
I wish I had AmigaOS4- Now I am getting PegasosII- I am tired of waiting!
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
This debate was taken away from www.amigaworld.net! Thats a bad move!
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To be honest,don't know why people are still bothering with it! :-o
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Same with me. I would love to see it though, but AmigaOS4 is actually killing Amiga people, rather than getting them back. Its sad, but true.
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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True.
MorphOS looks like the better alternative right now, but I can't help felling that OS4 has a more "proffessional" feeling about it.
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At this time, AmigaOS4 would sure be able to catch lots of Amiga people. But in one or two months, its getting worse day by day.
I would love to use AmigaOS4 beside my PegasosII offcourse. But there is a time, when you just have to go further. You cant be sitting and waiting for AmigaOS4 in all time.
I want AmigaOS4 out now!
Regards,
Michal, www.amigaworld.org
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Amiga Inc and Hyperion needs to wake up! Keeping delaying this product all the time
On the other hand, I don't think releasing it (and with release I mean "release version", not any beta) before it is finished would be much (if any) better...
I cant imagine that MorpbOS and AmigaOS4 is that different to each others.
agreed. But when comparing MorphOS and AmigaOS4, it's worth remembering that current MorphOS release is 1/2 already years old.
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amidelf: goodluck on that..
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Well, I own both a peggy and an A1. I do use the A1 somewhat cause I kind of like Debian, but it´s mainly collecting dust in wait of OS4. I´ve really tried using MorpOs but it´s just to buggy.
MorpOs is nice though, but it should not have been released this early. All the bugs make it impossible to use as a main OS. And don´t get me started on using linux on the peg...
What I´ve seen of Os4 is promising, but not yet convincing. I really wish I was a beta-tester. Guess I would sleep easier at night.
But with MorpOs we are all beta-testers! Perhaps that´s better than nothing.
But nah, it´s never going to be the same. I´ve used Amiga for well over a decade. Mostly cause I followed my heart and not so much for more rational reasons. And no peg, however stupid it may sound, will ever have a place in my heart. So, it´s OS4 or nothing for me. But perhaps a younger generation will chose MorpOs and turn it in something new, and the memory of Amiga will slowly fade away. I sure hope not.
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crown wrote:
And don´t get me started on using linux on the peg...
Why?
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Its hard for me to say this, but AmigaOS4 wont have any future if its not comming out now! Even in its beta stage.
Really, it needed to come out a year ago or more, now, in a beta stage. Especially for the poor souls who bought an A1 system. It's a mighty expensive Linux box. :-(
Out of curiousity, I really would like to see an A1 run AmigaOS4. (no demo that I know of has been within less than 400 miles of my city...) It would just be fascinating to see how much of it is really ready.
But it's really an unfortunate situation. I think Hyperion is purposefully being slow. I'd guess they are hoping AI will finally die, so they can keep the cut of profits AI would claim. While, of course, AI has no money, but is doing it's best Black Knight "I'm not dead yet!" impression -- hoping to collect money from Hyperion or the mystery investors.
So it's just a waiting game. Who will blink first? Will AI croak? Or will Hyperion just say "screw it" and write off the losses to be able to collect something? Who knows? Both companies have a lot to lose by being the first to give in, though. Meanwhile, the Amiga fans continue to suffer, while the technology turns more and more outdated and useless. If no one breaks the stalemate soon though, it won't matter who won the squabble. It'll all be worthless.
I really hope I'm wrong.... It would be a sad and petty end for the greatest computer ever. :-(
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Hi,
Well the beta version for the early bird owners is still not out.
Maybe March? And then maybe a month or 3/4 more for the final release.
But then again no one can tell when it is out. I know the waiting is
long and running Linux on it is not fun anymore. I was hoping that
this month the beta version would come. Now I am hoping in March. But
I wonder how the beta will be shipped. Dealer? Direct to me?
Coder
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llwrath:
>But it's really an unfortunate situation. I think Hyperion >is purposefully being slow. I'd guess they are
Nonsense.
>So it's just a waiting game. Who will blink first? Will AI >croak? Or will Hyperion just say "screw it" and write off >the losses to be able to collect something? Who knows?
Nonsense.
Sorry for being so abrupt...
AmiDelf&Co: AFAIK there are noticably more AmigaOne owners than Pegasos-owners. And you have to consider those numbers
which were given recently also contain multi-buyers and
people who bought Pegasos for Linux...
Steffen
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AFAIK there are noticably more AmigaOne owners than Pegasos-owners. And you have to consider those numbers which were given recently also contain multi-buyers and people who bought Pegasos for Linux...
Do you have any numbers to share? We've seen the numbers for Pegasos 1 & 2, but Eyetech has been reluctant to give out any. Oh, I guess we should also consider people who bought AmigaOne for Linux?
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Well Bodie, because on my X86 Slackware is running along nice and stable and is easy to install and configure.
That´s beyond the capabilities of the peg plattform today. Im sure the situation will improve over time.
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@magicSN
Nonsense.
Care to elaborate? Really... If there's a flaw with the idea, how about some constructive criticism?
Point me to any signs of recent progress. Hyperion have even announced they are working on other projects.
Hyperion announces Gorky 17 project (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/_amiga/index.html)
From a quick glance over their team and size, it doesn't look like they can support multiple projects of this size. That means AmigaOS4 is basically sitting at some form of an impasse, while the Linux and AOS4 versions of Gorky 17 are developed, correct?
I merely posed my theory as to why they would change course like this.
Please tell me how this is nonsense.
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AFAIK there are noticably more AmigaOne owners than Pegasos-owners.
And how many more AmigaOne owners you consider there are?
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Ilwrath wrote:
Out of curiousity, I really would like to see an A1 run AmigaOS4. (no demo that I know of has been within less than 400 miles of my city...) It would just be fascinating to see how much of it is really ready.
Yeah It's really best to see the results for yourself. I saw it in december, and it was looking very good. It's really just the gfx system that needs to be completed.
But it's really an unfortunate situation. I think Hyperion is purposefully being slow. I'd guess they are hoping AI will finally die, so they can keep the cut of profits AI would claim. While, of course, AI has no money, but is doing it's best Black Knight "I'm not dead yet!" impression -- hoping to collect money from Hyperion or the mystery investors.
So it's just a waiting game. Who will blink first? Will AI croak? Or will Hyperion just say "screw it" and write off the losses to be able to collect something? Who knows? Both companies have a lot to lose by being the first to give in, though. Meanwhile, the Amiga fans continue to suffer, while the technology turns more and more outdated and useless. If no one breaks the stalemate soon though, it won't matter who won the squabble. It'll all be worthless.
I really hope I'm wrong.... It would be a sad and petty end for the greatest computer ever. :-(
I think you're waaaaay out there. The longer OS4 takes, the more money Hyperion lose, simple as that. Amiga Inc. have to buy back the code once it's completed anyway.
And if AI croaks, guess who'll be in there like a flash to buy up the name? No, AI needs Hyperion and Hyperion needs AI (at the moment)
No-one will benefit from delaying OS4 (except Genesi to a certain extent)
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Ilwrath wrote:
Point me to any signs of recent progress.
You really haven't been paying attention.
Hyperion have even announced they are working on other projects.
Hyperion announces Gorky 17 project (http://www.hyperion-entertainment.com/_amiga/index.html)
From a quick glance over their team and size, it doesn't look like they can support multiple projects of this size. That means AmigaOS4 is basically sitting at some form of an impasse, while the Linux and AOS4 versions of Gorky 17 are developed, correct?
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project? They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.
Your leap of logic just doesn't go.
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Oh boy
Here we go again..
MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold.. and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.
@Others
I use MOS 1.4.2 daily as main box.. I have Macs, Pcs, and linux box on LAN...
I also use my Peg2 G4@1ghz with Debian Linux 2.4.24 and its very fast - some things faster than 3ghx Athlon!
Also, MOS 1.5 is coming soon with tons of features..
OS4 will never catch up.. though it has nice features. I sold my Cyberstorm PPC cuz I waited 2 years for it. I have friends in Amiga clubs here that are pissed cuz they built a $1000+ A1 crap linux box and no OS4...
Lets face it: Until you release numbers of A1 sold (embarassing) and OS4 (we wont go there)
I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.
magnetic
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I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them.
Guess that would result in LOTS of negative critique from many existing AmigaOne owners...
But somehow I agree - it should be top priority to get the OS released on ANY platform... Then consider announcing ports for other platforms.
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Hmm.. i agree with amidelf in a way.. its taking too long. I am holding out for a new computer system, my pc is just dying a death and my a1200 is outdated without a nice gfx card and other addons that cost the earth and im just not prepared to fork out for hardware that will proberbly just bring my amiga up to my PC's sorta speed. I dont want a peg, no way (no offence to peg users, its just not the solution of my choice). I really need to get a new system. I am prepared to pay the extra over a PC for a A1, but no way am i blowing that kinda cash on a linux box. Never. I cant wait much longer tho, my PC is really starting to struggle (a 450 AMD, so its old), and even the oldest apps are not running on it very well.
Choices... and which one to make?
I have the cash for an A1 coming soon, maybe i will just spend it on a fast PC and the rest on my car.. maybe i dont know anymore.
Hopefully OS4 will be ready soon.. how long have people been saying that? Way too long....
Kev.
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MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold..
And so do I.
and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.
I KNOW from a simple SQL query, and counting of unique users on mailing lists that it is more than the number of Pegs out there claimed by Genesi recently on ppcnux.
But that doesn't matter, Im sure you can persaude me, deep in my heart, to believe you. ;-)
I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.
On the contrary Im not surprised about you saying any of these things. Still thats not what I heard, Ive heard rumours that a price tag was named and Bill Buck didn't have the money. I've also heard that 40,000 Euros wasn't enough to license the Atari name. Go figure.
I'm more convinced each time I read one of your posts that you do not know how the computer industry works, the cost of anything or even much about running engineering projects.
Quite what is your area of expertise?
I also use my Peg2 G4@1ghz with Debian Linux 2.4.24 and its very fast - some things faster than 3ghx Athlon!
Careful, sounds like the kind of claim that KennyR finds so risible. :rofl
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@uncharted
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project? They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.
Perhaps I'm misjudging their size... But what projects HAS Hyperion taken on on the side, recently (post 2001)? It looks like the most active part of their website is the Amiga products, and those can't be generating much income.
Since they show no clear signs of income, I assumed that at this stage Hyperion consists mainly of three or four individuals who may or may not be accepting delayed payments. Low income, but also low expenditures. Signs of a small (but efficient) team.
@magnetic
I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them. Also, with Articia the industrial market wont happen due to unreliable technology. This is a known fact with high level people in the industry.
Yes, this seems strange, doesn't it. One might guess there is something restricting them from doing this. Perhaps the departure of AI would also help this situation?
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@AmiDelf
Congrats on your decision, I can say that I've had a good experience so far with the Pegasos.
And don't listen to anyone who says MorphOS is "buggy"...MorphOS 'itself' is
very functional and stable compared to any classic/3.9 setup...in fact,
mine now rests peacefully in the closet. ;)
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The OS4 development team does not just consist of Hyperion employees.
Yes, this seems strange, doesn't it. One might guess there is something restricting them from doing this. Perhaps the departure of AI would also help this situation
Nah, perhaps Genesi saving up money in the piggybank will help this sisutation. Perhaps thats why they dropped their advertising banners, for that very reason. A penny saved and all that.
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Hi,
I just would like people to know that some Peg owners are switching to A1. At least I know one of them who said the Peg1 hardware was so bad that he was happy to have an A1 now.
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On the contrary Im not surprised about you saying any of these things. Still thats not what I heard, Ive heard rumours that a price tag was named and Bill Buck didn't have the money. I've also heard that 40,000 Euros wasn't enough to license the Atari name. Go figure.
Oh you want rumours? Like how Genesi approached Hyperion but got no serious response? Possibly because Hyperion have a financial interest in AmigaOne, and wont support ports to other platforms for that reason? Or we could just say that the reason why no one is releasing numbers for AmigaOne sales is that they are simply embarrassing?
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Nah, perhaps Genesi saving up money in the piggybank will help this sisutation. Perhaps thats why they dropped their advertising banners, for that very reason. A penny saved and all that.
While we are on the subject of how things work in the "industry"...it would
seem ridiculous (at least from my perspective) to continually dump funds for
advertising to a small, diminishing marketbase...which is already very aware of
your product??
That would seem to apply to ANY reasonable business plan, money restraints or not.
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@DaveP & MagicSN
Given your sainted positions, wouldn't it be more sensible to actually provide facts and infomration rather than just throwing petrol on these pointless flame fest threads?
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Ilwrath wrote:
@uncharted
BZZZZZZT! Wrong! How do you think that Hyperion have been able to fund the OS4 project? They have to take on other projects at the same time (part of the reason it's taken longer than expected), Hyperion have worked on other projects during the last 2 years or so.
Perhaps I'm misjudging their size... But what projects HAS Hyperion taken on on the side, recently (post 2001)? It looks like the most active part of their website is the Amiga products, and those can't be generating much income.
Since they show no clear signs of income, I assumed that at this stage Hyperion consists mainly of three or four individuals who may or may not be accepting delayed payments. Low income, but also low expenditures. Signs of a small (but efficient) team.
Well I'm not sure the full extent of their other work, but I do know they've done work on Mac games, and contract work for Mai
Here's the problem, you're ASSUMING. A wise man once told me that "Assumption is the mother of all f*ck-ups"
There's a whole heap of things I could assume about many people and organisations in the Amiga market, it doesn't actually back up anything.
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@Golem
Want rumours? Magnetics or mine? :-)
Actually I have a factual basis for my rumours whom you would give most credibility to - considering your platform choice - but given they are from a source that it would be dishonourable to quote without their permission they remain rumours and not facts as far as public forums are concerned. ;-)
@-D-
I agree.
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I'm quite surprised Hyperion doesnt want to do port for peg2 to make $$ because the Ami market will not sustain them.
magnetic
I think almost everyone who bought a Pegasos did that to run MorphOs, so how many copies of AOS4 4 do you think Hyperion can sell?
I would say not more than 120 (10% of sold Pegasos1 and 2).
btw I would be one of them, just to be able to compare it with Morphos for myself.
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magnetic wrote:
Oh boy
Here we go again..
MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold.. and you KNOW deep in your heart its not where near as many as Pegs out there.
Magnetic - You're a pegasos dealer right? So you'd KNOW deep in your heart that you'd gain from posting stuff like this.
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bloodline wrote:
@DaveP & MagicSN
Given your sainted positions, wouldn't it be more sensible to actually provide facts and infomration rather than just throwing petrol on these pointless flame fest threads?
Thats interesting, so its ok for magnetic, who doesn't and couldn't have a clue to speculate and throw petrol on the flame fest thread, but when someone who actually has an insight and could have a clue about the truth of the matter speculates its them that needs to provide the facts and information. :-)
Love it! :-)
As you well know, Eyetechs sales figures are Eyetechs business to reveal not mine, not yours, not magnetics. Genesi's specific dealings with the brandholders for Atari are for Genesi to reveal, not mine, yours or magnetics. Genesi and Hyperions conversations/figures are for them to reveal, not me, not yours or magnetics.
In the meantime we are stuck with speculation, what fun, so long as you treat it as such and don't take it so personally.
Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of, perhaps you might want to ask a mole ;)
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I know much more A1 owner that Pegasos ones. And i also know.... ehm..... shut up ikir :-P
Enjoy your new computer Amidelf, Pegasos isn't that bad; Also hope that you'll buy an A1 or a Shark (??) when OS4 will be out.
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DaveP wrote:
bloodline wrote:
@DaveP & MagicSN
Given your sainted positions, wouldn't it be more sensible to actually provide facts and infomration rather than just throwing petrol on these pointless flame fest threads?
Thats interesting, so its ok for magnetic, who doesn't and couldn't have a clue to speculate and throw petrol on the flame fest thread, but when someone who actually has an insight and could have a clue about the truth of the matter speculates its them that needs to provide the facts and information. :-)
Love it! :-)
As you well know, Eyetechs sales figures are Eyetechs business to reveal not mine, not yours, not magnetics. Genesi's specific dealings with the brandholders for Atari are for Genesi to reveal, not mine, yours or magnetics. Genesi and Hyperions conversations/figures are for them to reveal, not me, not yours or magnetics.
In the meantime we are stuck with speculation, what fun, so long as you treat it as such and don't take it so personally.
Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of, perhaps you might want to ask a mole ;)
Yes, but Magnetic isn't in the same position (AFAIK) as you and Stiffen. He may specualate since he has no other infomration to go on. if you know the facts, then you do not need to make any comments unless you can provide these facts.
Ok, so you can't share this information. Then there is no point stiring this up! Fine state your postion, but surely this doesn't require you to reitterate the point needlessly?
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@Bloodline
But it's okay for magnetic, both a pegasos dealer and someone closely related to Genesi to stir things up?
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@DaveP
Ok I've had quite enough of your foolishness. You talk alot of trash, and YOU dont know what you are talking about. I dont know if you are trying to piss me off to have me fly into a rage and break NDAs and talk about the messed up Articia and Atari and whatever else, but I wont. I know what is going on. You hope to know. Yes, you have knowledge but your info on Genesi is way wrong.
the FACTS are
1. You and all the fanboys know if you had data that had more A1s sold than Pegs you would be shouting it out all over the net.
2. As long as A1 has Articia it will not be used for industrial applications
3. OS4 full release wont be out until who knows when maybe 6-8 MORE months - I mean even the die-hards are mad now
4. Amiga OS 4 will never catch MOS
5. Genesi has delivered every promise to community Amiga has done nothing.
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
magnetic
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Yes, but Magnetic isn't in the same position (AFAIK) as you and Stiffen. He may specualate since he has no other infomration to go on. if you know the facts, then you do not need to make any comments unless you can provide these facts.
I don't need to do anything, Im volunteering information, identifying it as a rumour.
Interestingly enough no one objected to rumours that were identified as such during the commodore buyout. But I also find it odd that you want to gag those that might know as opposed to those who could not possibly know.
Ok, so you can't share this information. Then there is no point stiring this up! Fine state your postion, but surely this doesn't require you to reitterate the point needlessly?
Selective here in your criticism aren't you? And yes, of course it does, but as far as I can see, I have stated it this once, maybe people will remember that there is an alternative story there and if some of the powers that be decide to release some evidence to support my "rumour-mongering" then that will end it once and for all.
If you wanted to shut up magnetic, as well as myself, I would have respected your point more.
Dave.
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DaveP wrote:
In the meantime we are stuck with speculation, what fun, so long as you treat
it as such and don't take it so personally.
Well said. It's easy to get riled up over these things (as I myself have)...but in
the end, it's all about people having fun with their computers. I wish everyone
that much, AOS/MorphOS or whatever.
Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of,
perhaps you might want to ask a mole ;)
DaveP are you serious? Now that's just a bit retarded.
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@ magnetic
I feel sorry about you
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magnetic wrote:
@DaveP
Ok I've had quite enough of your foolishness. You talk alot of trash, and YOU dont know what you are talking about.
Deary me, you want to get a handle on that temper I think.
I hinted as to where I got the information from, if you refuse to believe me then that is your concern.
I dont know if you are trying to piss me off to have me fly into a rage and break NDAs and talk about the messed up Articia and Atari and whatever else, but I wont.
No need, Ive already exchanged correspondance with Bill Buck on most matters, and I have to say he is a gentleman in his correspondance unlike your reply here.
I know what is going on. You hope to know. Yes, you have knowledge but your info on Genesi is way wrong.
I could say exactly the same thing about you and AOS4/A1 side of things, but surely it should be patently obvious. I at least have the grace to identify rumour as such.
the FACTS are
1. You and all the fanboys know if you had data that had more A1s sold than Pegs you would be shouting it out all over the net.
Is that what passes for a counterargument from you? Calling me a fanboy? Saying that because you have not observed behaviour as bad as yours from me there can be no credibility to what I have said?
2. As long as A1 has Articia it will not be used for industrial applications
As long as Linux does not have fixed drivers it won't be used for industrial applications, however OS4 is another matter but you will see, in time.
3. OS4 full release wont be out until who knows when maybe 6-8 MORE months - I mean even the die-hards are mad now
I wouldn't call amidelf a die hard. Sure people are annoyed but thats called life. I don't agree with your assessment of the situation but that is probably just down to a difference in what I know, and what you do not. In the mean time hopefully the prerelease will be signed off by the betatesters and released to the wider audience.
4. Amiga OS 4 will never catch MOS
OK, now we are into sophistry.
5. Genesi has delivered every promise to community Amiga has done nothing.
Firstly Genesi has not delivered on every promise, they have delivered on some of them and more power to them for doing so. However, yet another entirely subjective argument beckons there so lets not go there.
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
Oooooo kayy.... would you like more rope? Ive got some here if that is starting to chafe.
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-D- wrote:
Given there are apparently moles in both camps at the moment that we know of,
perhaps you might want to ask a mole ;)
DaveP are you serious? Now that's just a bit retarded.
Im serious, and no kidding about the silliness of it all.
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If you wanted to shut up magnetic, as well as myself, I would have respected your point more.
I have no idea who Magnetic is. But all I saw him doing was reeling off the same stuff I could read elsewhere on the net. So I am able assume that he not privy to any more knowledge than myself.
I had no intention of gagging you. I was pointing out that it does little to help these threads when you way "I know you are all wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why".
I was urging you to enlighten us rather than jeer from the sidelines, at our ignorance.
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I have no idea who Magnetic is.
A Pegasos dealer.
I had no intention of gagging you. I was pointing out that it does little to help these threads when you way "I know you are all wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why".
Where did I do that? I identified what I said as counter rumour and identified that I know, from at least the information I can see, that A1s have outsold Pegs so far.
I was urging you to enlighten us rather than jeer from the sidelines, at our ignorance.
Firstly I don't recall jeering from the sidelines and I already explained why I cannot enlighten you further.
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MagicSN - you work for Hyperion right? I KNOW you have data on how many A1s sold..
And so do I.
And so do I. There are less A1s sold than Pegasos boards. If you ask how do I know I can claim I'm under NDA.
Ok - I believe you are not lying, Dave. Probably more A1 boards were sold than Pegasos boards.
Have fun.
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AFAIK there are noticably more AmigaOne owners than Pegasos-owners. And you have to consider those numbers
which were given recently also contain multi-buyers and
people who bought Pegasos for Linux...
"AFAIK"?? Is this the fact or just your personal opinion?
And FYI Eyetech sells A1 boards without OS4 as well.
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@Dave P
I love the way you make yourself seem so superior. I normally refrain from these flame wars but am tired of the damn lies. Especially from your camp. All this war could have been avoided years ago and we would all be happy together but NO, Hyperion and Amiga didnt want that they wanted the fight.
I ran into your silliness on ANN in an Articia thread. You know damn well Genesi cant reveal why they know about problems because its IP. But its known in the industry about MAI and their problems.
Amiga inc has killed the Amiga - congratulations. Its up to Genesi and Hyperion now. I have respect for Hyperion's abilities but not politics.
Dont hold your breath for OS4 - you'll soon be blue in the face. /me remembers Ben Yoris getting flamed for telling the TRUTH..
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE
Its funny at this point. Cling on Dave, cling on. Soon you will see -
So the World May Know indeed..
also drop your high and mighty attitude this is an Amiga forum for crying out loud - people come here for laughs mostly - especially about V A P O U R
Go ahead release the numbers of A1 sold - why would this be sensitive information? Because it would make your camp's efforts look weak? The Truth Hurts.
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@AmiDelf:
I must say I'm really surprised... Good luck! (And welcome ;-))
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DaveP wrote:
I have no idea who Magnetic is.
A Pegasos dealer.
I had no intention of gagging you. I was pointing out that it does little to help these threads when you way "I know you are all wrong, but I'm not going to tell you why".
Where did I do that? I identified what I said as counter rumour and identified that I know, from at least the information I can see, that A1s have outsold Pegs so far.
I was urging you to enlighten us rather than jeer from the sidelines, at our ignorance.
Firstly I don't recall jeering from the sidelines and I already explained why I cannot enlighten you further.
I Still don't care who Magnetic is. I am happy for you to counter his rumour, please do, that would be a great way to shut these threads up. But don't do it with informatino you cannot share!
I'm not saying you had any intention of jeering, but think how it looks when you state that you are in a position, privy to insider information that you are happy to announce you have access too... but cannot share?
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This is such a futile thread. I was going to start moderating posts, but there's a good selection on both sides of the argument that are also borderline trolls.
Guys, I'll lock the thread if you can't play nice. Drop the blind advocacy of your current favourite Amiga/compatible manufacturer because it's pointless and doesn't help to construct a sane argument.
Seriously, one more stupid post and it'll be locked.
Arguments like this have happened so many times before and they're pointless.
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Hi!
>Care to elaborate? Really... If there's a flaw with the >idea, how about some constructive criticism?
Well, it is just plain wrong. And I am tired of beating down
ridiculous rumours made up by people :( So I cut my answer short.
>From a quick glance over their team and size, it doesn't >look like they can support multiple projects of this size. >That means AmigaOS4 is basically sitting at some form of >an impasse, while the Linux and AOS4 versions of Gorky 17 >are developed, correct?
Sigh. We had that one often enough, didn't we ? The people from the Gorky team never worked on any OS 4
components. They are game developers from the Linux platform.
Steffen Haeuser
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magnetic wrote:
Edit - forget it, this is needlessly heated and totally pointless. You want to slag me off magnetic, go ahead.
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mikeymike
You are right it is futile. I'm sorry to have rocked the boat. The thing is i'm not being a fanboy here just stating the TRUTH. Something lacking in this market for many years.. :(
magnetic
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One word "hypocrite". bashing Amiga emulators and other Amiga like products at every available opportunity but to now praise something you slagged off is really pathetic.
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@DaveP:
If there are more AmigaONE sales than Pegasos ones, what's the point of Eyetech not publishing their numbers, and giving out announcements with such wording, that no comparison can be made? (namely the "ATX form factor" issue)
Sorry, It's just too hard to believe you. But if there are more AmigaONE users than Pegasos users, it's good to us, as there are more than twice new machines around than the known Pegasos numbers.
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Warface wrote:
If there are more AmigaONE sales than Pegasos ones, what's the point of Eyetech not publishing their numbers, and giving out announcements with such wording, that no comparison can be made? (namely the "ATX form factor" issue)
Ask them.
Sorry, It's just too hard to believe you.
I take no offence whatsoever. As I said, if and when Eyetech publish any figures it will either back up my headcount or make me look an idiot. I don't mind at all.
But if there are more AmigaONE users than Pegasos users, it's good to us, as there are more than twice new machines around than the known Pegasos numbers.
Thats a VERY healthy way to look at it.
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EDIT: UPS ;-)
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You are right it is futile. I'm sorry to have rocked the boat. The thing is i'm not being a fanboy here just stating the TRUTH. Something lacking in this market for many years.. :(
The truth as you see it possibly/believe it to be. Most of this thread is based on speculation and statements that can't be backed up with proof, considered to be fact regardless which just ends up looking like a total troll.
I don't think any of the manufacturers in question has a squeaky-clean image anymore. They should all be trying to earn the community's trust back again, instead of constantly bitching with/about each other. It's not professional behaviour.