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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Epsilon_ on October 07, 2014, 11:17:25 AM
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Hi All,
I have been given access and full permission to try out AMIStore on my X1000, prior to it's release soon by A-EON Technology!
I have been trying it out for a while now, and written up a detailed sneak peak blog entry with plenty of screenshots of what AMIStore is all about and what to expect. It is exciting! :-)
The link is here:
http://amigax1000.blogspot.com.au/2014/10/amistore-sneak-peak-on-my-x1000.html
I hope you find it interesting!
Catcha,
Epsilon
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i still wonder about so much hassle to make these few applications and few links available in another form.
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It looks pretty sharp and very well done. Nice work.
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@Debaser
it's very nice, and matthew has poured a ton of work into this, also working with other developers to provide a sales platform that is useful for them. i'm very much looking forward to the public release -- it makes purchasing commercial software on AOS4 much easier and is very professionally done.
-- eliyahu
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Is this going to be cross platform? I was hoping this was going to be an application that helped unity.
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Amiga OS 68k and ppc. PhoenixConsole is making his own app store which will support all Amigaoid platfoms.
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Is this going to be cross platform? I was hoping this was going to be an application that helped unity.
It works on MorphOS too so I dont see problem from that POV. But generally I dont see much chance for success for this or phoenixconsole's app store because developers do not want to ask money for their developments or already have a distributor. Probably even more difficult on AROS where open source sentiment is (naturally) strong.
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... I dont see much chance for success for this or phoenixconsole's app store because developers do not want to ask money for their developments or already have a distributor...
There are both paid and free programs there, the option is for the developer to decide.
I think using AmiStore may look very good to developers who would rather write code than handle marketing, sales and distribution.
In any case, I look forward to trying it myself once it has released.
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There are both paid and free programs there, the option is for the developer to decide.
I think using AmiStore may look very good to developers who would rather write code than handle marketing, sales and distribution.
In any case, I look forward to trying it myself once it has released.
I am sure you do because you have written new software you are selling through AmiStore :-)
It is right to be excited about it. Idea is right, so is execution.
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Looks nice! Very modern. Any more info about that "Radiance" application? ;)
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Looks extremely slick!
Great work and will be intresting to see how it evolves ^^
EDIT; Just read thru your blog, and as usual, brilliant read and presentation.
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Upon first glance, it looks like Radiance is simply a bundle offering of a few of the other products on Amistore. Possibly a starter pack type thing.
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Do they offer Free Hosting or do they just Point to external urls?
Is there a developer Interface? Is there drm?
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Must be hosted on A-EON's servers. The developers of some of that software don't even have there on websites.
I guess there'll be more info about how to get your software featured once it's released.
I doubt there's any DRM.
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@pheonixkonsole
if you have something you'd like to sell via amistore those questions would be best answered by A-EON themselves. perhaps a quick email? :)
-- eliyahu
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@pheonixkonsole
if you have something you'd like to sell via amistore those questions would be best answered by A-EON themselves. perhaps a quick email? :)
-- eliyahu
Why not let your friend answer it here himself?
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Why not let your friend answer it here himself?
that'd be fine as well, of course. i just figured pascal might get the answers faster if he contacted them directly rather than on a forum, but, hey, whatever works. :)
-- eliyahu
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that'd be fine as well, of course. i just figured pascal might get the answers faster if he contacted them directly rather than on a forum, but, hey, whatever works. :)
-- eliyahu
If answered here Trevor don't have to answer to every single query personally. PM or emails are huge time wasters.
And this is his site after all :)
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Hmm... i like open conversation more than PM. Especially in this friendly, honest and warm community.
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Hmm... i like open conversation more than PM. Especially in this friendly, honest and warm community.
Do I sense a bit of sarcasm? :P
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Still I think it would have been better to put this huge amount of work into a new or existing application instead.
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Manu we do. I just don't announce because People tend to copy it instead of working together.
It is like pinky and the Brain when pinky says something And Brain says afterwards "i had an idea" : )
Dear Moderators do me and you a favor and delete my Account. Thank you.
No it is not because of that matter. It is because the lack of Fairness regarding news items.
Three in a row is to much for, especially After corespondence which Stated my news on aw where better Suited than my submited Text do amiga.org . Thisctime I used a copy of the amigaworld entry....... Tzzzz.
Oh and if you are technically able to delete all my posts, please do. No not please, i ask you to do so.
Thank you.
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Sorry phone hanging caused Double post.
Just remove it ; )
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Do I sense a bit of sarcasm? :P
We need more proprietary app stores like this.
Apple, Android, Microsoft, Playstation, X1000. Laggards though compared to the ZX Spectrum online store which has been online since the 90s and everything is free.
Proprietariness = jobs and money for all. God forbid we go back to the Browser and html5. No money in that...!
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Manu we do. I just don't announce because People tend to copy it instead of working together.
It is like pinky and the Brain when pinky says something And Brain says afterwards "i had an idea" : )
Dear Moderators do me and you a favor and delete my Account. Thank you.
No it is not because of that matter. It is because the lack of Fairness regarding news items.
Three in a row is to much for, especially After corespondence which Stated my news on aw where better Suited than my submited Text do amiga.org . Thisctime I used a copy of the amigaworld entry....... Tzzzz.
Oh and if you are technically able to delete all my posts, please do. No not please, i ask you to do so.
Thank you.
I must say Im a bit sad to read this. While I do have a A1200, and are sticking to AOS and for the most part buying my hardware from Amigakit; Ive always enjoyed reading AROS+MorphOS news too.
Moderating out/away newsitems from these parties only helps to alienate overall, which is not what this rather small community needs.
When it comes to the "copying of ideas"; I would think that its something Amigakit/Aeon has decided on their own accord. For example Steam storefront is extremely successful, and have been for years, so its hardly new or unproven. Additionally its something Ive called for for years on Amiga.org and AW when there have been "what do the Amiga lack/need and future ahead" kinda threads :P
When it comes to the Storefront app; one of the most "important" features from MY point of view is the Chat feature. While I do use Steam quite a bit to shop and keep track of my software library, I use the chat almost daily too. It creates "loyal" users since people enjoy chatting with their gaming buddies or even real life friends they have added to the chat.
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It creates "loyal" users since people enjoy chatting with their gaming buddies or even real life friends they have added to the chat.
oh no, do we welcome all that soul engineering now too?
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oh no, do we welcome all that soul engineering now too?
Heh. Convinience is evil now?
Seriously tho; whats wrong with it?
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I must say Im a bit sad to read this. While I do have a A1200, and are sticking to AOS and for the most part buying my hardware from Amigakit; Ive always enjoyed reading AROS+MorphOS news too.
Moderating out/away newsitems from these parties only helps to alienate overall, which is not what this rather small community needs.
Currently the first news item is MorphOS related and the third is AROS related.
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Currently the first news item is MorphOS related and the third is AROS related.
Aye. Tho there seems to be/have been some friction lately, so Im a bit curious about it all.
Maybe its nothing major, but if nothing else Im querying to get this up in the open. Its not the first time Ive read something about this.
I might not read enough or paid close enough attention, but phoenixkonsole's posts in the past has always seemed quite positive and relaxed. So if something has annoyed him it has gotten me somewhat curious.
(tho the cynics would say; what is the amiga community without drama) :)
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No it is not because of that matter. It is because the lack of Fairness regarding news items.
Three in a row is to much
Maybe you didn't write the news item as proper formal press releases? It seems this is a selective and subjective requirement? I believe this was the reason to why two of my news items wasn't approved. I had to post them as regular forum posts instead...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68059
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They told me that the last 2 times. This time i copied this:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7205
Is this not good enough? A.org has a edit feature so I could fix typos later anytime.
@Mods
i can still post here : ) - delete and greet please
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and if i release AEROS 3.9 for i386 why isn't it enough to write "I released AEROS 3.9 at my app store". Maybe the last 4 words where to much or what?...
Do I Need to make a whole Press release ?
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@phoenixkonsole
To me it's a little unclear (to say the least) of what "as more formal press releases (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=773686&postcount=35)" actually means in practice, so let's have a look at an arbitrary press release (http://arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-unveil-roadmap-for-64-bit-arm-based-processors-on-10finfet-process-technology.php) found on the Internet. I don't know, maybe it's the date and location in the introduction? Maybe it's the "introduction to the subject for dummies" in the beginning? Maybe it's the mandatory "'We at [corporation] are thrilled to see [yada yada]', said CEO John Doe" quotes? Maybe it's the "Contact" section? Maybe it's the "About" section(s)?
:confused:
All I know is that this (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=67801) (similarly written) MorphOS news item wasn't approved while this (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=68050) and many others written in a similar fashion was, and constantly is. The former actually had some editorial work put into it, while the latter was a mere copy/paste of a changelog.
Overall, I get the impression that the "We are trying to raise the standards of news items here and encourage them as more formal press releases" works a little selective/subjective, or even random. A bit unfortunate IMHO.
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Viva la revolución : D
See news item... Whatever.. please delete my account. I am to old and getting fat and grey already.
Good luck with your store and please forgive my mood and hijacking this thread.
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Back on topic;
Is a chatfeature planned in the future?
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Hi Niding
The last few weeks I have been working on the message queue and putting in the foundations for the chat system. This week, a few distractions from the work: I am also working on PrismaControl software and I am currently exhibiting at the Play Expo show this weekend so cannot resume work on AMIStore until I return next week.
A lot more features are planned to be added to AMIStore but feature creep is always an issue. I am pleased to report that the Beta testers have been very helpful in suggesting UI changes and better ways of doing things as work has commenced over the last year. So I am very grateful for their help :)
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Hope it is a good show this weekend. Less than 2 weeks to Amiwest too, you guys are going to be so burnt out by the end of this month.
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Hi Niding
The last few weeks I have been working on the message queue and putting in the foundations for the chat system. This week, a few distractions from the work: I am also working on PrismaControl software and I am currently exhibiting at the Play Expo show this weekend so cannot resume work on AMIStore until I return next week.
A lot more features are planned to be added to AMIStore but feature creep is always an issue. I am pleased to report that the Beta testers have been very helpful in suggesting UI changes and better ways of doing things as work has commenced over the last year. So I am very grateful for their help :)
:) yey! Now I just have to convince my current steam friends to use Amiga...OR, God forbid, make new friends o.0
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:) yey! Now I just have to convince my current steam friends to use Amiga...OR, God forbid, make new friends o.0
yeah, better not, they might convince you otherwise.
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This is your first warning. False claims and rude behavior will NOT be tolerated.
Your Statement in this thread,
"Oh boy, more news items not allowed to post here. And EVERY time a news item does not get approved its for something that certain people have no stake in.
Its becoming pretty obvious that unless the right people have a financial stake in your project, they don't care to let you post news about it here.
This petty crap should end."
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Sounds like complete and total bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! to me. Why can't user's publicly ask why news items are rejected?
How are we supposed to know who refused to approve a news item?
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Oh boy, more news items not allowed to post here. And EVERY time a news item does not get approved its for something that certain people have no stake in.
Its becoming pretty obvious that unless the right people have a financial stake in your project, they don't care to let you post news about it here.
This petty crap should end.
Well there's an ARES II news item on the news page now, just scroll down the front page, so hopefully that means whatever the problem was has been resolved.
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I hope so... But it looks like the staff here still seek to control what people are allowed to know...
This is your first warning. False claims and rude behavior will NOT be tolerated.
Your Statement in this thread,
"Oh boy, more news items not allowed to post here. And EVERY time a news item does not get approved its for something that certain people have no stake in.
Its becoming pretty obvious that unless the right people have a financial stake in your project, they don't care to let you post news about it here.
This petty crap should end."
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-Sal (Kjmann)
"Members will not publicly question a moderator's decision.
All moderation concerns should be addressed in a private manner, either by private messaging or emailing the moderator in question."
Sounds like complete and total bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! to me. Why can't user's publicly ask why news items are rejected?
How are we supposed to know who refused to approve a news item?
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WARNING: Off-topic.
@phoenixkonsole
To me it's a little unclear (to say the least) of what "as more formal press releases (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=773686&postcount=35)" actually means in practice, so let's have a look at an arbitrary press release (http://arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-unveil-roadmap-for-64-bit-arm-based-processors-on-10finfet-process-technology.php) found on the Internet. I don't know, maybe it's the date and location in the introduction? Maybe it's the "introduction to the subject for dummies" in the beginning? Maybe it's the mandatory "'We at [corporation] are thrilled to see [yada yada]', said CEO John Doe" quotes? Maybe it's the "Contact" section? Maybe it's the "About" section(s)?
:confused:
A lot of press releases are perfectly formatted, written in the third-person like they should be (except for the quotes), and still aren't newsworthy. This is because companies have been using press-releases as SEO link-building campaigns, causing a torrent of PR spam. One of the little "gems" of advice that I have received, is to "publish a quality newsworthy press release every day." Yeah right! Generally you can have quantity or quality, but not both.
Being newsworthy should be the primary deciding factor, and not whether you've put it in formal press release form.
NOTE: None of the above is intended to reflect on phoenixkonsole's news items which I haven't seen, or on what basis news items are accepted/rejected here (I'm not involved).
Hans
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i still wonder about so much hassle to make these few applications and few links available in another form.
I can understand your preference to see the effort to create this new app store placed elsewhere, when there are so many areas our community needs new or updated software. But I think that this new app store is a valuable infrastructure building step, that will help some other developers, who do not wish to spend their own time marketing their software projects. They can now choose to offer their software for free, or put it up for sale at an attractive online store without needing to spend any of their valuable coding time messing around with their own online sales site, so it should provide them with more time to work on future projects.
I take this new Online App Store as a positive step forward, but I am usually the kind of person who looks for the positive side of everything, and not dwell on the negative aspects, although I do recognize the pros and cons of everything I evaluate as realistically as I can. I don't consider myself a fanboy who sees all news in our community through rose colored glasses, and I don't agree with all decisions being made automatically.
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I can understand your preference to see the effort to create this new app store placed elsewhere
what? where?
are you implying im any interested in the phoenixconsole one? im sorry to disappoint you, but im fairly not. if i need current amiga software, so far there is any, i simply download it from developer pages or aminet. i just doubt all that hassle will have any impact on the situation and that the effort would be better put elsewhere and so far i mentioned that, i have been proven right for almost anything i said. anyway, today i simply dont even think that it matters. so please go on with the appstores or whatever.
But I think that this new app store is a valuable infrastructure building step, that will help some other developers, who do not wish to spend their own time marketing their software projects. They can now choose to offer their software for free, or put it up for sale at an attractive online store without needing to spend any of their valuable coding time messing around with their own online sales site, so it should provide them with more time to work on future projects.
im not a coder, but think this is irrelevant. there are a great number of other much more pressing issues that dont get addressed. its like pumping a leak in a ship that already has broke apart. you may win some short time and not let people realize that they drawn.
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I just don't announce because People tend to copy it instead of working together.
It is like pinky and the Brain when pinky says something And Brain says afterwards "i had an idea" : )
If you are referring to E-Eon stealing your amiappstore idea, then i dont think so.
After all, I had idea for ami appstore already 2005, and that was based upon seeing wildgames wildcoins system, from which i thought my own version of it for Amiga (by other words, was copying the idea with own additions), which was more of a half way from wildgames system and todays appstores. However, since in these last 10 years i havent got any games released (which is bit embarassing), my plan never came to reality (or even got started rather). And after Apple and Android appstore came to be, im pretty sure theres couple of hundred more or less serious ideas about amiappstore existing in peoples heads.
So, no. I doubt they stole your idea. they just got it just like you did by seeing those other appstores.
But so far it seems your idea seems to be having more unique ideas, although i think it is also riskier in terms of succeeding. Amistore is somewhat safeplay. Nothing big, but quite sure bet.
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If you are referring to E-Eon stealing your amiappstore idea, then i dont think so.
After all, I had idea for ami appstore already 2005, and that was based upon seeing wildgames wildcoins system, from which i thought my own version of it for Amiga (by other words, was copying the idea with own additions), which was more of a half way from wildgames system and todays appstores. However, since in these last 10 years i havent got any games released (which is bit embarassing), my plan never came to reality (or even got started rather). And after Apple and Android appstore came to be, im pretty sure theres couple of hundred more or less serious ideas about amiappstore existing in peoples heads.
So, no. I doubt they stole your idea. they just got it just like you did by seeing those other appstores.
But so far it seems your idea seems to be having more unique ideas, although i think it is also riskier in terms of succeeding. Amistore is somewhat safeplay. Nothing big, but quite sure bet.
I see that similar...
Finally the developers will decide where to put their software. It seems that Amigakit/A-eon support 3rd party developments, I could guess that they try to get some of the software exclusive on their app store. But other than that everyone can decide where to sell or distribute what he creates. I only hope that this platform will be open for news regarding new software even if it sold on the other store and not only this one.
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I see that similar...
Finally the developers will decide where to put their software. It seems that Amigakit/A-eon support 3rd party developments, I could guess that they try to get some of the software exclusive on their app store. But other than that everyone can decide where to sell or distribute what he creates. I only hope that this platform will be open for news regarding new software even if it sold on the other store and not only this one.
I see your point, but adding news/items not contained in AmiStore for example will just be confusing for users (even tho the available software AND users are in orders of magnitude lower than for Steam). Whatever I read on the frontend of Steam I expect to be available/usable for Steam.
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This isn't the first attempt at an Amiga store either. Bill P. (second owner of this site) tried to get one going a few years back but it didn't pan out.
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perhaps exactly cause its pointless? what are you going to be selling there? preorders for new upcoming version of tremendously outdated aladdin or warp3d? some background desktop candy and half done skins, i hear they are animated now, what for? packages of other items that have been avaolable separately anyway? links to blogs everybody knows about, only if someone was posting there regularly?
Whoa, hold on, back up. Keep your venom to yourself, man. Bill's app store was planned to be just as open to third party programers as this one is.
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perhaps exactly cause its pointless? what are you going to be selling there? preorders for new upcoming version of tremendously outdated aladdin or warp3d? some background desktop candy and half done skins, i hear they are animated now, what for? packages of other items that have been avaolable separately anyway? links to blogs everybody knows about, only if someone was posting there regularly?
Stop talking about things you know nothing about. All of your assumptions are inaccurate.
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why not elaborate, for instance on aladdin project status?
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why not elaborate, for instance on aladdin project status?
Please take this line of questioning to another thread, so it does not take this thread further "Off Topic".
Thanks,