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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: mrmoonlight on August 03, 2014, 09:55:12 PM
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Hi I have a slightly souped up Amiga 1200 nothing special just a few small upgrades that make it run os 3.9 brilliantly so why was there nothing after, that may have been really good and still worked on a slightly upgraded Amiga 1200 or is there some thing, best:) wishes Brian.
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Hi I have a slightly souped up Amiga 1200 nothing special just a few small upgrades that make it run os 3.9 brilliantly so why was there nothing after, that may have been really good and still worked on a slightly upgraded Amiga 1200 or is there some thing, best:) wishes Brian.
There is. Google boing bags especially inoficial ones #3 and 4. These are upgrades to 3.9
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There is. Google boing bags especially inoficial ones #3 and 4. These are upgrades to 3.9
Hi you are correct there are and I never managed to get both that actually worked so if any one knows where all the good ones are, I would be very grateful, best wishes Brian.:)
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Hey Brian, this is the download location recommended by EAB.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/start.htm
Hope this helps.
BTW, I used these downloads and IIRC they worked without problems.
The (very long) EAB Thread....
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52707
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I wouldnt call "boing bag 3 and 4" stable and proper releases of amiga os. There are MANY hacks/patches in those updates. Some good some bad.
But mainly there were licensing problems.
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I wouldnt call "boing bag 3 and 4" stable and proper releases of amiga os. There are MANY hacks/patches in those updates. Some good some bad.
But mainly there were licensing problems.
apparently some of this was vague at the time this post was made (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30303&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#527189)
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number 6
Thanks for the link interesting read. My old partner and I actually had the rights obtained from Ainc for the "Powered by Amiga" logo.
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i dont see whats illegal about the boing bags, so far i remember they are distributed as patches to modules and libraries, so they dont contain anything questionable afair. and gathering these patches together must be seen simply as an effort to provide an inexperienced user with a working set. at the time i patched my kickstart together i had to gather bits and pieces mostly myself, i value such an initiative and dont understand the reason to make it bad.
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Given the circumstances there could and should have been additional releases, perhaps an OS 3.10 or OS 4.0 (68k)
AROS 68k looks interesting.
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i've been using BB4 on an A4000 68060 CGX 4 system for about 12 months.
Initially I did have a problem with a menu utility form aminet, but that got fixed.
Since then, I've enjoyed the fastest, most reliable and prettiest OS 3.9 (Kens Icons) set up I've ever had.
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Hi I have a slightly souped up Amiga 1200 nothing special just a few small upgrades that make it run os 3.9 brilliantly so why was there nothing after, that may have been really good and still worked on a slightly upgraded Amiga 1200 .
Simply because it wouldn't be profitable. Look, if you already compare the money I got from Os 3.9 development to what a software developer would get on the market for writing PC software, then this was really a joke. I did it for the fun of it, not for the money. Os 3.9 sold, but given the number of copies it sold it was barely worth the trouble for anyone, including the company that organized its development, namely H&P. Os 4.0 came after 3.9, and the scheme Hyperion seems to be using (as far as I can tell) is to make at least some money on the hardware to finance the software development. Funding a company from Amiga software alone wouldn't simply work anymore - the community is too small, and is not willing to spend enough money on a new release to make this viable.
The only way how this could work would be to use a different development model, probably some open source type model that would give interested parties free access to the sources, plus probably a test farm and a centralized repository, probably with some official net-based releases from time to time that have been verified and tested. It seems, however, that Hyperion (the current license owner of Amiga Os) is not interested in this model - likely because it would compete with their Os 4 development, and hence would diminish their Os 4 sales. I understand and respect this, but it also means that we're trapped with either outdated software, or private hackery based on inaccurate information on how AmigaOs is working - pretty sad, but that's reality.
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@Thomas.
The various owners/ people who have claimed ownership have only themselves to blame for not making money on AmigaOS software.
The way I saw the situation was like a several people tugging at a roast chicken in different directions, and it ending up on the floor in several pieces that no-one could enjoy.
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The various owners/ people who have claimed ownership have only themselves to blame for not making money on AmigaOS software.
The way I saw the situation was like a several people tugging at a roast chicken in different directions, and it ending up on the floor in several pieces that no-one could enjoy.
That is what happens when people get hungry, but it doesn't mean that without the fighting there would have been enough money to go around or even sustain one of the companies for long.
Some people will carry on doing it for love, some people will carry on doing it because they don't want to let go, others will carry on because they don't know what else to do. But Amiga software hasn't been the most profitable way to spend your time for decades.
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Is there a way to Purchase OS 3.9? I bought OS 3.5 a long while ago and never upgraded to 3.9. Can I still by a legal original copy of it?
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Simply because it wouldn't be profitable. Look, if you already compare the money I got from Os 3.9 development to what a software developer would get on the market for writing PC software, then this was really a joke. I did it for the fun of it, not for the money. Os 3.9 sold, but given the number of copies it sold it was barely worth the trouble for anyone, including the company that organized its development, namely H&P. Os 4.0 came after 3.9, and the scheme Hyperion seems to be using (as far as I can tell) is to make at least some money on the hardware to finance the software development. Funding a company from Amiga software alone wouldn't simply work anymore - the community is too small, and is not willing to spend enough money on a new release to make this viable.
The only way how this could work would be to use a different development model, probably some open source type model that would give interested parties free access to the sources, plus probably a test farm and a centralized repository, probably with some official net-based releases from time to time that have been verified and tested. It seems, however, that Hyperion (the current license owner of Amiga Os) is not interested in this model - likely because it would compete with their Os 4 development, and hence would diminish their Os 4 sales. I understand and respect this, but it also means that we're trapped with either outdated software, or private hackery based on inaccurate information on how AmigaOs is working - pretty sad, but that's reality.
Hi truly thank you for your honest reply, and can I just point out I am no way well versed in the Amiga apart from the fact that I think that they are one hell of an amazing computer and when os 3.9 came out the Amiga became a bright star in a very dark sky, so much so the children in my house hold were queuing up to get on her and that included myself.
surely this was the time too build on the os 3.9 and begin what would have been os 4.0 and surely the icing on the cake and then any thing really good always sells and we would have had a winner which just maybe would have paid for itself instead there was nothing but boing bags, and don't get me wrong I appreciate all the effort that went in to them, but history repeats itself and again we were so near and we let it all slip away, so sad but 3.9 rolls on ,very best wishes to you, Brian.
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Using 3.9 with BB1-4 on my main A2000. There are a few additional updates, including the latest version of the Peter K icon library, plus a few tools included in 3.9 & the BB's that have been updated (tip: just type the name of every tool included in 3.9 into the Aminet search field), but overall I like it a lot. Thanks for chiming in, Thomas, for your hard work!
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amigakid
YES! You can still buy os 3.9 with a variety of the remaing amiga dealers afaik
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Is there a way to Purchase OS 3.9? I bought OS 3.5 a long while ago and never upgraded to 3.9. Can I still by a legal original copy of it?
Hi (http://www.amigakit.com (http://www.amigakit.com/)), or (http://www.vesalia.de (http://www.vesalia.de/)) I am quite sure one of these will have one and I should try (http://www.amigakit.com (http://www.amigakit.com/)), first as they don't come much better, best wishes Brian.
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Hey Brian, this is the download location recommended by EAB.
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/start.htm
Hope this helps.
BTW, I used these downloads and IIRC they worked without problems.
The (very long) EAB Thread....
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=52707
Hi gizmo350 truly grateful my friend, I will give them a go , very best wishes Brian.:):)
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Mr moonlight
If your a1200 is stable id recommend NOT to install these bb3 and 4.
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Mr moonlight
If your a1200 is stable id recommend NOT to install these bb3 and 4.
LOL Well I have to say my A1200 and my A600 which are both running os 3.9 are both as stable as a mountain goat and I have not installed any thing yet so I had better hold back me thinks, is there any reason why I should not install them? very best wishes Brian.:)
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Yes the reason is it could lead to instability which is something you dont need on your fun retro system. Just search EAB for problems ppl have had with these boing patch releases..its like a vintage car if its running perfect dont mess with it!
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Yes the reason is it could lead to instability which is something you dont need on your fun retro system. Just search EAB for problems ppl have had with these boing patch releases..its like a vintage car if its running perfect dont mess with it!
Well that's that then as I cant risk my fun retro system throwing a wobbly, I sure wish some one will produce a updated os 4.0 now that will make my day, very best wishes Brian.
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i would add that iI personally havent run the boing bag 3 or 4 and I know a few people put a lot of effort into it. Having said that, as many amigans new when you add hacks/patches to amigaos it can break easily, and NOBODY likes guru screens!
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Bah. Turning on your system can also lead to "instability". So can getting up out of bed in the morning. They install very easily, just a couple clicks, if you're that worried make a backup you can restore from, first. Why use 3.9 in the first place, if you don't want "the latest & greatest"? Might as well stick with 1.2. ;)
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If anything he can create another bootable partition and put the hack fest bb 3 and 4 on that and keep his stable system intact.
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The argument could also be made that anything after the last official C= release is a "hack fest", since they strap on many previously freely distributable or commercial utilities, many of which could otherwise just be downloaded from Aminet and installed on a C= era system. ;)
But no worries Magnetic, I'm just trying to get you riled up, lol. Good luck with your system, OP!
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Mike you are right os 3.9 is actually a hack/patch fest lmao. Thats why they called them Hack and patch instead of Haage and partner.
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The various owners/ people who have claimed ownership have only themselves to blame for not making money on AmigaOS software.
I don't think that this is really the case. The problem is that the various owners of Amiga technology (Escom, Gateway...) all tried to "milk" the platform and squeeze money out of a system that was already dead to begin with. There wasn't any money to make on Amiga back then, except that the various investors and owners did not understand this. It would have required a massive investment to bring the technology up to date, and none of the "investors" actually had enough interest to actually invest into it, including CBM. Amiga was lacking behind already, CBM just tried to sell the old hardware without investment, and all "investors" afterwards tried the same - not realizing the death of the platform.
The death of CBM is a typical case of an industry that did not learn that its time has come, and that it has to move on or die. CBMs business model did not work anymore - selling custom hardware - because they failed to invest into the only selling point the Amiga had initially, namely suppreme media capabilities. They also failed to sell Amiga as a serious business machine because there was no serious software basis for it.
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Mike you are right os 3.9 is actually a hack/patch fest lmao. Thats why they called them Hack and patch instead of Haage and partner.
No, not really. While it is certainly true that 3.9 included many utlities that came from Aminet, it is also true that 3.9 did not contain patches. The typical Aminet patch has been developed by ignoring system specs or without enough knowledge of the insides of AOS, and is hacked into the system, 3.9 improvements were made from the 3.1 and 3.5 Os sources. Nothing had to be patched - the software was reviewed, improved and corrected. 3.9 math libraries is such a case, the workbench was created this way, so did the FFS.
It is not a new model to buy third party software and include it in the Os. AREXX was such a case (except that CBM never paid for it, shame on them!), AmigaBasic is such a case, the NanoEmacs is, BRU is... So, don't look down on 3.9 because the added software did not come from CBM. It could not. CBM was dead - for the better.
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If anything he can create another bootable partition and put the hack fest bb 3 and 4 on that and keep his stable system intact.
The "unofficial" Boing Bag 3 is mostly a collection of bug fixes for AmigaOS 3.9 that had occurred over the years with an easy to use installer. It's stable and I highly recommended it to every AmigaOS 3.9 owner. The "unofficial" Boing Bag 4 is a work in progress with some new fixes and enhancements but also some new bugs. Modules are removed if they are found to be problems. It's more for users that are willing to live with a little less stability but want more enhancements. These users are basically beta testers and it's helpful if they report bugs and wishes to Gulliver and Minuous.
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I don't think that this is really the case. The problem is that the various owners of Amiga technology (Escom, Gateway...) all tried to "milk" the platform and squeeze money out of a system that was already dead to begin with. There wasn't any money to make on Amiga back then, except that the various investors and owners did not understand this. It would have required a massive investment to bring the technology up to date, and none of the "investors" actually had enough interest to actually invest into it, including CBM. Amiga was lacking behind already, CBM just tried to sell the old hardware without investment, and all "investors" afterwards tried the same - not realizing the death of the platfom.
has this ever really changed?
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CBM just tried to sell the old hardware without investment
That isn't entirely true. They were investing, just not in the right things.
AAA was started in 1988 and dragged on and on. It's been said that AAA didn't get enough investment, but IMO it shouldn't have gotten any investment at all.
AGA was done in a year by a couple of engineers who decided that AAA was going nowhere and that something else needed to be done.
If AGA had been started in 1988 then commodores future would be different.
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I don't think that this is really the case. The problem is that the various owners of Amiga technology (Escom, Gateway...) all tried to "milk" the platform and squeeze money out of a system
YES
that was already dead to begin with. There wasn't any money to make on Amiga back then, except that the various investors and owners did not understand this.
Disagree. If you have paying customers, you can make money. Amiga had the most loyal fan base of any platform. All they needed to do was find a way to run Doom at 486 levels- eg an A1300 with 68030 50 mhz and CDROM as the base model, and 68040/68060 RTG support eg CV64 plus TV output built in for the professional market. This would have bought them time and satisfied the user for a while.
It would have required a massive investment to bring the technology up to date, and none of the "investors" actually had enough interest to actually invest into it, including CBM. Amiga was lacking behind already, CBM just tried to sell the old hardware without investment, and all "investors" afterwards tried the same - not realizing the death of the platform.
Its true everyone wanted to milk Amiga's reputation from the 80's.
But they could have kept going with the 68060 for a while if they managed to contain costs to Apple Quadra levels levels. That would have bought them time to port the OS to PPC. The PPC CHRP hardware was already there for them to use-they could have fitted the machines with 604's and high end graphics cards- Amigans always would pay to be ahead of the curve-Amiga at launch was not cheap! Later economies of scale lets you compete on price too
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No, not really. While it is certainly true that 3.9 included many utlities that came from Aminet, it is also true that 3.9 did not contain patches. The typical Aminet patch has been developed by ignoring system specs or without enough knowledge of the insides of AOS, and is hacked into the system, 3.9 improvements were made from the 3.1 and 3.5 Os sources. Nothing had to be patched - the software was reviewed, improved and corrected. 3.9 math libraries is such a case, the workbench was created this way, so did the FFS.
I didn't know the math libraries had changed.
What is different about the Maths libraries in 3.9? Are they any faster?
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I didn't know the math libraries had changed.
What is different about the Maths libraries in 3.9? Are they any faster?
The big change is 6888x instructions using the fpsp.resource instead of trapping for the 68040 and 68060. This is faster and more multitasking friendly (although not as fast as CPU specific math libraries). There are also various bug fixes for cos, exp, log, acos, asin, pow, etc. The problems serious enough that the developer (it looks like ThoR's *work*) wrote about pow:
"I don't know who wrote this, but I recommend taking a basic course in mathematics and numerics before writing math libraries."
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But they could have kept going with the 68060 for a while if they managed to contain costs to Apple Quadra levels levels. That would have bought them time to port the OS to PPC. The PPC CHRP hardware was already there for them to use-they could have fitted the machines with 604's and high end graphics cards- Amigans always would pay to be ahead of the curve-Amiga at launch was not cheap! Later economies of scale lets you compete on price too
I'm thinking you're misremembering the price of Quadras. The Quadra 700, the most directly equivalent product to the Amiga 4000, though released the year prior, was $6000 base price, over $2000 more than the Amiga. The Quadra 950, released the same year as the A4000 was $7200.
The Amiga was always cheaper than a roughly equivalent Mac. Amigans, some, spent a lot of money on peripherals but not on their base systems, relative to what competing Mac and name-brand Intel boxes cost. But still, Amigans were not really spenders. And they were rampant pirates. This, and Commodore's disinterest in its dealer base, made it practically impossible for the small, independent Amiga dealer to exist anymore by the early 1990s.
AGA was done in a year by a couple of engineers who decided that AAA was going nowhere and that something else needed to be done.
It was just too little, too late. Once games looked better and played better on DOS machines it was all over. It didn't really matter that for some specific animation and motion graphics based work the AGA offered slight performance and capabilities not to be found on any Mac or PC. I didn't give a crap about DOOM but I do remember being particularly depressed when I first saw how much better Syndicate was on a garden variety VGA system.
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Disagree. If you have paying customers, you can make money. Amiga had the most loyal fan base of any platform.
A loyal fan basis yes. Paying customers, no. That was exactly the problem with CBM - CBM only targetted the hobbyist market, and they were neither willing nor able to pay the prices to make the business profitable. CBM failed to get a foot into the business market (as IBM did) or into the creative market (as Apple did). Failure of marketting - probably CBM thought that good technology sells by itself. That's simply not true. Good marketing and a brand name sells. But they could have kept going with the 68060 for a while if they managed to contain costs to Apple Quadra levels levels. That would have bought them time to port the OS to PPC. The PPC CHRP hardware was already there for them to use-they could have fitted the machines with 604's and high end graphics cards- Amigans always would pay to be ahead of the curve-Amiga at launch was not cheap! Later economies of scale lets you compete on price too
Except that the user basis would have been unable to pay the prices of Apple Quadra, and except that PPC is/was another dead end. Rewriting the Os is a major undertaking, AOS has a considerable amount of design flaws, one of them being too tightly bound to the hardware, with too much assembly in it. Yes, the cycle counter party will again argue that it is faster this way, but it also means that it failed faster by making it hard to port. If CBM would have used proper abstraction and would have been stayed away from low-level assembly, porting to PPC or (better) x86 would have been pretty smooth.
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CBM failed to get a foot into the business market (as IBM did) or into the creative market (as Apple did)...
That bolded part isn't true. The Amiga owned the desktop video market, at the hobbyist level as well as professional level thanks in no small part to NewTek. However difficult it was to sell an Amiga to your average computer user for...whatever...VideoToasters sold as fast as NewTek could produce them. You only need one "killer app" or suite to dominate a particular niche market and the Amiga had it. NewTek was the tide that lifted all boats where animation and video were concerned.
Commodore going belly up created a significant problem for NewTek in this regard because the demand for the VideoToaster was only going up when all of a sudden you couldn't get any more host Amigas. The demand was so high that VideoToaster resellers were buying dead Amiga 4000s for up to $1500 in Los Angeles in 1994 and 1995 so that they could cobble together working systems (the same as we were doing at Digital Domain to keep as many of our Personal Animation Recorder stations up as possible...what a crap model the A4000 turned out to be). It was 1999 before the NT version of the Toaster was released. Uncoupling Lightwave from the Toaster in 1994 is likely just about all that kept revenue flowing though I'm betting the days of Ferraris and private jets was behind them.
At the time two major primetime series had visual effects done by Amigas (Babylon 5 and SeaQuest DSV). It would be a few years later, after the Amiga was out of the picture, before the Mac made real inroads in these areas once dominated by the Amiga. Commodore themselves more or less behaved as if they were unaware of this phenomenon but had they fully embraced just this one facet (while improving gaming performance) and not tripped over their own mis-managed feet they'd have been okay.
In 1994, when they went under, there was nothing even close to the VT on any other platform and, in fact, neither Apple, SGI or the Windows market had the depth of both software and hardware solutions for this market performing at the standards and quality of what was available on the Amiga. SGI tried coming out with video capable boards and they were a complete joke. The best way to get high quality video in and out of an SGI in 1994 was for it to be networked to an Amiga with the hardware and software available on that platform (without spending a $250K for a Flame or better). Commodore could not have picked a more ironic time to go out of business because it was when they were the absolute strongest in a very new, very lucrative market.
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Commodore could not have picked a more ironic time to go out of business because it was when they were the absolute strongest in a very new, very lucrative market.
Commodore never controlled their destiny after Jack left, it was just luck for the most part. Newtek took them surprise, Commodore didn't have a clue why they were selling so many A2500's when the A3000 had just come out. Commodore management refused to produce the A2631 to replace the A2630 & A2091 that they were shipping in the A2500.
Bottom line is they picked the wrong case for the A3000.
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No. It wasn't luck their not paying attention to and then embracing, both barrels, all eggs in the basket that NewTek delivered, strip-o-gram style, right to their doorstep. That's mis-management and bad decision making. That's continued lack of intelligence across two generations of VideoToaster.
They went out of business during the Toaster4000 era and NewTek's expansion into NLE and experiments with supercomputer acceleration for Lightwave when it was still exclusively bundled with the Toaster. The A3000 was already a long discontinued product and not an issue, ultimately. You're talking about a phenomenon years before they went out of business, during the initial VT craze. Plus, enterprising folks got VTs working in A3000s. We had one in the Media Lab at CalArts I'm pretty sure, though I may be confusing that with one of the TA's personal systems. Nothing A2x00-based was viable passed 1993, no matter what you put into it and '030s definitely need not apply, unless you're talking really low end, switcher-only type work.
During this time you had two different interesting phenomenons happening as well, both of which Commodore benefitted from that had no connection to anything (or nothing) they were doing to try and sell Amigas. First, for the original VT, if you were actually using it as a switcher and video effects box the Amiga was essentially just a power supply for the thing folks really wanted to be using. So you had a lot of people who wouldn't have otherwise bought an Amiga, or computer at all, doing so just so they could run the VideoToaster and do what it did. Then you also had people buying VideoToasters, and Amigas, with no interest in the video switching capabilities of the Toaster whatsoever and had it functioning, basically, as a dongle for running Lightwave which, for a period, had no peer on the microcomputer level.
To still not get it, two years after the A3000 is discontinued, they simply failed to understand what was actually being done with their own product which meant they couldn't capitalize or expand on that. That's got SFA to do with "luck". That's what you call "stupid".
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@magnetic:
If your a1200 is stable id recommend NOT to install these bb3 and 4.
Why spread baseless FUD? A system with BB4 is more stable than one with BB2, not less, due to the number of known BB2 bugs that have been fixed. Some of the initial beta releases had issues but this was a long time ago, recent versions are very stable. There are hundreds of users who can testify to this.
Hey Brian, this is the download location recommended by EAB
Actually that location is just a mirror and sometimes is not the latest version. Official release page is http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/
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Mr moonlight
If your a1200 is stable id recommend NOT to install these bb3 and 4.
Hi magnetic one day I might stop to listen to some very good advice, as I just had to go and load b3 and b4 and I went from a very stable A1200 to a very none booting sick A1200 and I am awfully glad I made an emergency disc that got me back up and running so if ever you hear me mention boing bags again please remind me what an idiot I was ,sorry to the creators of the boing bags I mean no offence on your part as I appreciate how much work you must have put in but no balls for me, very best wishes Brian.:)
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@magnetic:
Why spread baseless FUD?
FUD? For what reason would I do that. One, its based on my experience with patching/hacking amiga os which naturally leads to instability. And secondly its from reading many threads about user problems when I considered going to BB3. So far from "baseless"
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Mr. Moonlight
I'm so sorry man i tried to tell you.
But I was just "trolling" and "baseless" what a farce.
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You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time. They installed great for me, zero issues and I like having my system as "up to date as possible". Obviously with 20+ year old hardware and software, your mileage may vary. Glad you made that backup! ;)
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You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time. They installed great for me, zero issues and I like having my system as "up to date as possible". Obviously with 20+ year old hardware and software, your mileage may vary. Glad you made that backup! ;)
Hi what I did find is that if I left the start up alone it booted fine but if I left the booting up to the program it would never boot up and I have to say I am not good enough to know exactly what was wrong,but I have got the boing bags installed now but with a start up that has not been altered and I have no clue if this is ok lol and happy days I did a back up best wishes Brian.
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Hi I have an Amiga 1200 and I have just installed all four boing bags which I wish I had not as 1and 2 went in fine and 3 and 4 certainly did not as it stopped by computer booting. the only way I could make it run with the boing bags was to completely ignore the start-up sequence that was asking to install automatically or install manually so i did nothing which I did and the Amiga ran wonderfully well but my question is what difference if any will this action mean as in will something that should happen not now happen if you get my drift best wishes Brian.
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Hi I have an Amiga 1200 and I have just installed all four boing bags which I wish I had not as 1and 2 went in fine and 3 and 4 certainly did not as it stopped by computer booting. the only way I could make it run with the boing bags was to completely ignore the start-up sequence that was asking to install automatically or install manually so i did nothing which I did and the Amiga ran wonderfully well but my question is what difference if any will this action mean as in will something that should happen not now happen if you get my drift best wishes Brian.
Make sure you have the latest version of the BB4.
AFAIR you need to boot after installing BB3 before installing BB4.
The new startup- sequences add some patches to the kickstart ROM 3.1. Its likely one of these is causing a conflict. Also some things are added to WBStartup drawer which may be doing the same.
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Make sure you have the latest version of the BB4.
AFAIR you need to boot after installing BB3 before installing BB4.
The new startup- sequences add some patches to the kickstart ROM 3.1. Its likely one of these is causing a conflict. Also some things are added to WBStartup drawer which may be doing the same.
Hi thank you my friend truly grateful for your help, I carefully followed all the literature to the last word using a cold boot when asked too, and bare in mind I installed the boing bags at the same time to both the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga 600 and once the automatic start up had altered the start-up sequence both the 1200 and the 600 failed to boot so having made up emergency boot discs soon had both up and running and started to proceed with the installation again but choosing not to alter the start up sequence and I have to say both machines are powering along and hard to fault, so I may leave well alone, very best wishes Brian.:):)
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That's got SFA to do with "luck". That's what you call "stupid".
It's stupid when you aren't successful, it's dumb luck when it works.
Commodore survived on dumb luck for a long time. It was only really Commodore UK that ever marketed anything successfully. Even then the batpack in 1989 was the pinnacle of cool, it went down hill from there.
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I think they survived on brilliant engineering and were brought down by greed and mismanagement.
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Hi thank you my friend truly grateful for your help, I carefully followed all the literature to the last word using a cold boot when asked too, and bare in mind I installed the boing bags at the same time to both the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga 600 and once the automatic start up had altered the start-up sequence both the 1200 and the 600 failed to boot so having made up emergency boot discs soon had both up and running and started to proceed with the installation again but choosing not to alter the start up sequence and I have to say both machines are powering along and hard to fault, so I may leave well alone, very best wishes Brian.:):)
I'm having a really hard time understanding what you're saying here. Not trying to come across like a jerk, but could you use some periods in your sentences? :)
If you're still having trouble, try posting a copy of your startup-sequence and maybe someone here can help you figure out why it's not booting? Another thing I've done before that I found helpful was to put an "echo 1" "echo 2", etc., between each line of the startup-sequence. Then as each line executes it will print a number on the screen. This can help you determine where it's crashing. Good luck! :)
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I'm having a really hard time understanding what you're saying here. Not trying to come across like a jerk, but could you use some periods in your sentences? :)
If you're still having trouble, try posting a copy of your startup-sequence and maybe someone here can help you figure out why it's not booting? Another thing I've done before that I found helpful was to put an "echo 1" "echo 2", etc., between each line of the startup-sequence. Then as each line executes it will print a number on the screen. This can help you determine where it's crashing. Good luck! :)
Hey sorry I am not to clear about what's happening but basically if I install 1 and 2 boing bags then she runs like a dream
but when I install 3 and 4 afterwards she doesn't boot or if she makes any attempt she crashes so I am going to leave it as it is because she is sweet at the moment, thanks anyway ,best wishes Brian.
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If you're still having trouble, try posting a copy of your startup-sequence and maybe someone here can help you figure out why it's not booting? Another thing I've done before that I found helpful was to put an "echo 1" "echo 2", etc., between each line of the startup-sequence. Then as each line executes it will print a number on the screen. This can help you determine where it's crashing. Good luck! :)
That's all needlessly complicated. If you're using the latest Amiga Shell, and make it resident with "LoadModule", then insert the following line on top of the startup-sequence: set interactive on Afterwards, the Shell will prompt each command, and will ask you to confirm its execution. If you enter a "Y" or press return, the command is executed. If you press "N", the command is skipped. If you press "Q" the shell will return to normal execution.
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That's all needlessly complicated. If you're using the latest Amiga Shell, and make it resident with "LoadModule", then insert the following line on top of the startup-sequence: set interactive on Afterwards, the Shell will prompt each command, and will ask you to confirm its execution. If you enter a "Y" or press return, the command is executed. If you press "N", the command is skipped. If you press "Q" the shell will return to normal execution.
many thanks Thomas! I totally forgot about that useful command line & it'll come in handy for me now as I battle with my 1200T & mediator:)
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That is an awesome tip. I'm sure I'll forget all about it by the next time I need to use it, lol. ;) Thanks though! :drink:
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@magnetic:
Why spread baseless FUD? A system with BB4 is more stable than one with BB2, not less, due to the number of known BB2 bugs that have been fixed. ]
So minous are you going to apologize to me for saying i'm spreading FUD or what?
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So minous are you going to apologize to me for saying i'm spreading FUD or what?
No, I still haven't received a proper bug report from you or anyone else. How am I expected to organize a fix for the issue with such a vague and unhelpful "bug report" as this? Especially when I very likely did not code the component in question and don't even have source to most components. With a non-existent bug report I would not even know whether I had fixed the user's problem or not. If a bug can't be reproduced and isolated then it can't be fixed.
BTW you have incorrectly quoted me, I didn't say you were "trolling", I assume(d) you said what you said in good faith and just didn't consider the possible damage that could be caused. If you don't want to use it, don't, but better not to make silly statements in public forums if you couldn't even be bothered to lodge a bug report. I'm not even talking about a formal bug report, just enough info for me to investigate the issue.
The fact that supposedly it "doesn't work" on one person's system doesn't mean it's not worth installing for the 99% of users that have not had any issues with it. Obviously I don't have a huge test lab with every different configuration of Amiga available and thus rely to an extent on bug reports. IIRC there were even issues with the official BB2 ROM Update not working on certain Amigas.
If I suddenly started going around in public forums saying "OS4 doesn't work", and refusing to give specifics so that the issue could be resolved, would you then expect Hyperion to apologize to me? I suspect I'd be more likely to see a libel suit from them than an apology in that case, and with good reason.
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@Minuous
You have been doing a good job with the BoingBags and most users appreciate the effort.
The unofficial BoingBag components are mostly improvements but configuring them on every Amiga variation is error prone, not to mention the old hardware is becoming less reliable.
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Once games looked better and played better on DOS machines it was all over. It didn't really matter that for some specific animation and motion graphics based work the AGA offered slight performance and capabilities not to be found on any Mac or PC. I didn't give a crap about DOOM but I do remember being particularly depressed when I first saw how much better Syndicate was on a garden variety VGA system.
Once DOOM came out, I wanted to play the game ALOT but had an Amiga. I didnt like DOS..what turned me was Windows 95. Ended up buying a PC for around $1k. Loved it. I had both a PC and my A3000 running side by side. PC downloading warez for my Amiga.. fun times.
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Once my Amiga 4000 died I went sans computer for a year, maybe more. I eventually bought a Neko Tech Mach 1 (DEC Alpha 21064A, I believe) that I did little more than surf the web on for a while and run DOS-V cover discs (via FX!32) from Japanese magazines I'd get in Little Tokyo.
The Intel emulator became good enough and fast enough that I was able to do Premiere Pro editing with an installed Perception Video Recorder but it wasn't a fun computer. NT 3.51 was really, really boring. I ended up buying a used NeXTStation Turbo Color and that was a lot more interesting. By this point I was doing all my gaming on the Sega Saturn. It wouldn't be until several years later that a buddy of mine got me hooked on Quake3 Arena, Rocket Arena, Counter-Strike and Urban Terror that I returned to playing games exclusively on the desktop.
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I think they survived on brilliant engineering and were brought down by greed and mismanagement.
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