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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: Pyromania on July 12, 2014, 03:15:28 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj_dlTSVPKw
Welcome to an even better Google future for all.
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Since 2012 (http://www.mical.org/workhistory/) actually.
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Definitely hasn't hurt Google's standing.
As much as I dislike Apple, there's never been a company with as loose ethics as Google. Ever.
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@fishy fiz
Please do your research before personally attacking Google without merit. Here's a good starting point for you.
http://www.amazon.com/Googled-End-World-As-Know/dp/0143118048/ref=sr_1_46?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405152901&sr=1-46&keywords=google
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553383663/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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:) Well, Ive completely stopped using google as my search engine a few months ago. Took a while to do since it was kinda "hardcoded" in my user patterns.
But now Ive gotten so used to duckduckgo.com that I dont even think about it. Obviously helps Ive made all my hardware use that searchengine as default.
That said; intresting speech.
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@Niding
You are free to use any search engine you want. That's always been the case and is the spirit and nature of the internet.
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Yup.
I do agree with his speech and vision.
I do find the increasing connectivity both intresting and worrying.
People make information about themselves readily available on the net, with little care about
who might use it and how.
Techology is developing rapidly, but I think the average users understanding of it is not keeping up.
But overall progress is good, and Google is one of the driving forces in that regard.
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@fishy fiz
Please do your research before personally attacking Google without merit. Here's a good starting point for you.
http://www.amazon.com/Googled-End-World-As-Know/dp/0143118048/ref=sr_1_46?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1405152901&sr=1-46&keywords=google
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0553383663/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Without merrit? There's a million and one examples out there. The extent of "personal data mining" associated to businesses they own is phenominal.
Also, how does one "personally attack" an entity? :)
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Without Google there wouldn't be YouTube. YouTube is the best thing the internet has to offer. Period.
On the other hand Google isn't fighting the good fight for net neutrality anymore.
I'm not so worried about data mining from Google. It's Facebook I'm worried about personally.
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BTW. in which country RJ lives nowadays?
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Without Google there wouldn't be YouTube. YouTube is the best thing the internet has to offer. Period.
Uhm, wasnt YouTube some dotcom startup company Google bought? That was many many years ago though...
Too bad neither Google or YouTube is working here in China. Now when I am forced to use other search engines (like Bing and Yandex) I am starting to miss it.
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Uhm, wasnt YouTube some dotcom startup company Google bought? That was many many years ago though...
Too bad neither Google or YouTube is working here in China. Now when I am forced to use other search engines (like Bing and Yandex) I am starting to miss it.
Yeah YouTube was a start up but it was only an idea that never would have come into fruition with a major investor willing to invest millions of $ into it like Google has done. If you take a step back and think about how much it would cost to operate something like YouTube and then think about how little profit they are most likely not (?) getting they have my utter most respect. No one else other than Google could have made YouTube work.
Google also do other cool stuff like maps and drive which I adore.
p.s. what do you do in China?
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Hmm... youtube was alredy succesful before Google has bought it.
Google bought them in 2006. Youtube is from 2005 and got its initial funding from investors with the desire to resell asap:
see wikipedia:
In November 2005, venture firm Sequoia Capital invested an initial $3.5 million;[5] additionally, Roelof Botha, partner of the firm and former CEO of PayPal, joined the YouTube board of directors. In April 2006, Sequoia and Artis Capital Management put an additional $8 million into the company, which had experienced hugely popular growth within its first few months.
In 2006 google purchased it for 1.65billion $.
Google wan't control of internet. Youtube had to be purchased.
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@itix
How is China? I would love to go there. You had to go for work reasons?
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Quoting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj_dlTSVPKw
Welcome to an even better Google future for all.
End of quoting.
I am amazed by his first sentences!
"We began to bring those computers home to play Solitary at first." He starts speaking about gaming and ... the first - good to mention - gaming started with PCs? No mention to Amiga?
"We believe the WWW exists because of entertainment" : WHAAAT!!!???: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web
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Without Google there wouldn't be YouTube. YouTube is the best thing the internet has to offer. Period.
Uh? YouTube has gone worse and worse after Google bought it :/ It would be much better if any other video site would become defacto now. There are many other sites which do work much better on all kinds of hw and don't try to shoot you if you want to fix their mess...
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=RJ= was interviewed in a recent issue of Retro Gamer too.
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ptek;
Yeah, his comment was quite unpresicise, but the entertainment aspect of computing has helped driving development; be it hardware/software and the web.
Today you have millions upon millions of people spending alot of money yearly on hardware they dont really need, just do to get max performance with max visuals.
Take a look at Twitch.tv. The viewer count there has taken off quite a bit lately, people watching streamers and prize money competitions.
Some of the Esport events got massive 1st place prizes and its not slowing down.
As for youtube. Lately its become quite heavy on the adverts. I do realise it cost alot of money to maintain, but if they add much more between each stream, it might start to loose popularity (with me atleast :) )
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Uh? YouTube has gone worse and worse after Google bought it :/
Agreed. I once used google and youtube almost exclusively a few years ago. Now I always look for alternatives when I can. vimeo and bing frequently.
I've made efforts to keep my personal and hobby interest separate from professional and business interests. Google loves nothing better to tie together your activty and track you across all the internet while making it easier for others to do the same. It could be like asking a potential employer if they want to see your bathing suit pictures. Bleh.
Kesa, agree and disagree. Facebook bad. But google only payed a bundle for youtube because if they didn't someone else would have. Who needed who more?
Plaz
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Uh? YouTube has gone worse and worse after Google bought it :/
Agreed. I once used google and youtube almost exclusively a few years ago. Now I always look for alternatives when I can. vimeo and bing frequently.
I've made efforts to keep my personal and hobby interest separate from professional and business interests. Google loves nothing better to tie together your activty and track you across all the internet while making it easier for others to do the same. It could be like asking a potential employer if they want to see your bathing suit pictures. Bleh.
Kesa, agree and disagree. Facebook bad. But google only payed a bundle for youtube because if they didn't someone else would have. Who needed who more?
Plaz
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The guy who locked himself in a room for a week and wrote intuition.
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YouTube was around long before Google picked them up. I'm not convinced Google has had an entirely positive effect on YouTube either, nor am I convinced YouTube would have been less successful without Google. If anything, Google's cash simply facilitated a quicker growth for YouTube.
Between the terrible targeted, unrelated ad spam on YouTube and the forced integration of Google services on YouTube, I find myself getting insanely annoyed at them.
Forcing people to buy into Google+ to leave comments on YouTube was one of the biggest train wrecks Google has ever done. Yes, let's force people to use a failing social network in order to leave simple comments on YT! What could go wrong!?
Google has been buying cred for some time, imo. Vint Cerf being their number one hired mouthpiece.
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YouTube has not gotten worse. That's ridiculous. The quality was absurdly low pre Google. Worse than default 240P quality now by a wide margin, and Flash only. Google already had Google Video and the two co-existed for a while. It was bad quality too but as a brand YouTube had a hook and more people were using it.
VIMEO is generally higher quality on average but they have a lower ceiling on quality and highly restrictive limits on content. VEOH and other sites that want you using some janky proprietary player or non-standard codec are out of the question.
Google made YouTube ubiquitous and available, not entirely transparently, across all major platforms and various STB and other proprietary devices (that need to arrive at some unifying standard). YouTube pre-Google may or may not have been able to position themselves to do such a thing.
What hasn't been good since Google took over is their UI has only become more convoluted. Anything that requires more than one screen, more than one menu interface, etc. and Google doesn't know what to do. Google doesn't know how to present all that it offers, beyond search, in a logical intuitive way and this handicap has made its way to YouTube. They were good with one box to type words into and hit search and that's about it. Anything else that isn't a mess to use, however useful it may be, they acquired.
Google couldn't create something like Android themselves, not a chance. But they gave it a fighting chance in the marketplace and, like YouTube, it's now dominant. Moreso than an even messier, less sophisticated company like Yahoo.
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YouTube is the best, sometimes commercials are long but that's a minor issue for what you get.
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Forcing people to buy into Google+ to leave comments on YouTube was one of the biggest train wrecks Google has ever done. Yes, let's force people to use a failing social network in order to leave simple comments on YT! What could go wrong!?
And yet, still, YT comments offer the lowest signal:noise of possibly any audience I've ever seen outside of Facebook. YT comments make me pray conspiracy theories about sterilization through poisoning of the water supply someday happens.
It's still too easy, IMO. You sign up for a google account and then you're able to completely ignore the google+ functionality. It happily rides at the back of the bus, never to be used with barely any indicator it even exists. Logging into gmail and using YouTube, through Chrome, Google+ is as buried and easily forgotten as any number of things they've designed.
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Interesting how people jump to defend Google yet mention Microsoft and it's evil this evil that.
How blind people really are, Google is just as bad as the other big players out there. After all it's about money at the end of the day.
In the early days the internet was a better place, with various search engines and not one big player.
hotbox... altavista... all fantastic. As for Youtube it didn't need Google, it was already a success and as most companies do Google bought it because of that.
The more personal information/technology Google can get the better, it's their bread and butter. Search results, browsing habits and more. All worth a lot for companies wanting to sell their wares and to target advertising.
That's not to say other companies don't do the same. But put the Google name on it and they can do no wrong.
Same can be said for Apple.
As for the title of this thread he's been working for Google since 2012?
As for Google+ I can't get rid of the thing, even though I never signed up for it. It enabled itself, I disabled it via the instructions given and bam the next day it's back. Like a horrible disease. It's right up there with Facebook... At least Facebook allows you to disable/delete it and it doesn't keep coming back, I stopped using Gmail because of Google+.
Also what a great way to get some more search results for Amiga.org :-)
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Not to mention being added to friend circles of random people and not being able to remove yourself from them :-/
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Geez... nothing like rambling for the first half by stating the obvious.. I can not help but look at all the cables and gack on the table. What a mess..
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People who praise google as the second coming of Jesus should really stop doing so.
Also, if something is free, then YOU are the product!
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Getting upset about collecting info to target ads is forgetting one thing: online advertising is mostly a scam, not on us but on the people who pay to advertise online.
I run ad blocking and pop-up blocking. I can't tell you what was the last ad I saw on YT or anywhere else because I can also click "close" and "mute" and in the worse case scenario pop over to another tab if, in the case of folks like HULU, you have sometimes minutes worth of unavoidable ads, whether you pay subscription fees or not.
Who are the people these things work on? Who clicks thru? Who is actually watching or reading these ads? Not anyone here, intelligent enough to make an Amiga their hobby or more, I would hope. So, let google bilk these saps while I enjoy free stuff. I'm immune to their charms and when someone offers something better I'll go there.
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Google is one of the internets worst things.
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Compared to what?
On the scale of great to horrible for humanity I would rank them much better than sites that profit off your average teen girl being stupid enough or desperate enough or sad enough to flash their boobs and a lot worse on the webcams and webcam-equipped laptops their parents bought them. Just to name one of many things the internet has brought us that warrant ill will.
I'd say that kind of %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! is way worse than trying to show people ads they should be smart enough to enjoy, tailor-made for them from eavesdropping on conversations and public postings that aren't really that aren't really that interesting to begin with.
Seriously.
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"We believe the WWW exists because of entertainment" : WHAAAT!!!???: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web
Of course it does!
You think god-knows how many bytes of information traversing the internet is people doing productive things or tele-medicine (the often quoted justification for ever faster and ever more bandwidth?) Isn't something like 40% of internet traffic in the US Netflix?
For all its productive possibilities, once it became mainstream, the internet is the biggest time-sink ever invented.
The amazing things is that internet mega-corporations have convinced governments to pay for that infrastructure to further their businesses at the expense of things like health care, education, and other infrastructure.
And just try to get the internet-addicted population off it now! Impossible! They'll happily hand over their taxes and personal money. Until they get sick, and their health system sucks, or their kids can't pay for an education, or it their train system is a mess, and traffic jams due to a lack of planning and maintainance on these things. Then its "where are my taxes going..?"
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@Kesa & Pyromania
I am working here one or two months, comissioning a machine vision system at local paper mill. China is not that bad. I havent seen the sky since I came because of the smog but people here are nice and very kind. They hardly speak english, at the first hotel they had to communicate with a translator app on their phone. And many here adore westerners, so if you desperately need a girlfriend China should be on your dating zone.
Apparently everyone here is using smart phones only and younger Chinese are chatting on phone all the time. Nobody have iPhone here but Samsung or some lesser Chinese label. And yeah, Google is banned here :-)
I give credit to Google for their stubborness. They lost great market.
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Sad that a guy who have been a part of amiga now says that hardware is not vital.
Well RJ you are WRONG.
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Google being banned in China has more to do with the oppressive, controlling regime running country, despite the anything goes purist Capitalism GOP wet dream face put on in a few cities. China has a version of the internet. It's better than N.Korea's at least.
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Sad that a guy who have been a part of amiga now says that hardware is not vital.
Well RJ you are WRONG.
He's right though. Software is the thing. Great engineering only matters to other engineers, doesn't impress the marketplace at large and doesn't actually let people do anything useful. A great app on %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty hardware is infinitely more useful than a great machine and nothing to run on it.
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He's right though. Software is the thing. Great engineering only matters to other engineers, doesn't impress the marketplace at large and doesn't actually let people do anything useful. A great app on %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty hardware is infinitely more useful than a great machine and nothing to run on it.
The problem is this. Everything must be connected but sometimes u are not connected (it happens) and the I like to store it on hardware that I OWN!.
But if you is payed by google you better say network is everything!, I dont.
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Definitely hasn't hurt Google's standing.
As much as I dislike Apple, there's never been a company with as loose ethics as Google. Ever.
You are absolutely right on!
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YouTube is the only video channel worth watching. Sure the adverts are annoying but look at how that income improves the service. It allows greater exposure for talented people and also increases the quality of the material. Some YouTubers can even give up their day jobs to make <10 minute videos for a living.
Without Google running YouTube we wouldn't have channels like this:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCODtTcd5M1JavPCOr_Uydg
or this:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHnyfMqiRRG1u-2MsSQLbXA
The two above are my favourite channels at the moment but there are many more.
YouTube is also the only video service that I know of offering 4k videos. And soon will be playing videos at 60 fps. YouTube rocks!
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He's right though. Software is the thing. Great engineering only matters to other engineers, doesn't impress the marketplace at large and doesn't actually let people do anything useful. A great app on %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty hardware is infinitely more useful than a great machine and nothing to run on it.
Its not what he is saying, he is expecting mobile devices to get faster.
He says that consoles are going to go away.
Maybe he thinks you just connect a mobile device to your TV, or maybe the content can be on smart TV, I'm not shore, he does not say, maybe a combination of this two.
What has been true for many years is that a Gaming PC is often more powerful then a Console.