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Title: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 05, 2014, 01:46:32 AM
So after experimenting and trying various RAM and following some forum advice the below brand and type works with no issues.

KINGSTON KHX3200AK2/2G :-)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: magnetic on June 05, 2014, 02:43:31 AM
Thanks for the post.  A couple of things though. Just becuase that ram works for you doesnt mean for everyone as the firmware revision makes a difference on peg2. Id also like to know wtf you are gonnna do with 2gb as well :)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Dragster on June 05, 2014, 03:13:08 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765714
So after experimenting and trying various RAM and following some forum advice the below brand and type works with no issues.

KINGSTON KHX3200AK2/2G :-)


IIRC, you can have 2 GB only if you have a rev. 2B5 Pegasos II board...

I'd check with a memtester to make sure it's working properly...

Cheers,

Dragster
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 05, 2014, 04:32:29 AM
Mines a 2B2, loaded up a few programs all working. So will keep testing it, will let you know if it fails :-)

Not sure what I'll do with 2GB, although I notice with 1GB you only seem to have 98XMB free on boot.

I have a 9000 Pro 128bit/128MB and a 9800 pro (no 3d for AmigaOS but MorphOS is fine... of course no Warp3d on either) on the way. The 9200 is too slow, although will be using the ATI BIOS editing tool and over clocking it that way in a PC as there's no tools for AmigaOS to do the samething.

:-)

Good times :-)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 05, 2014, 05:08:50 AM
Of course there's always PPC linux :-) Many ways to use the extra RAM.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Doraemon on June 05, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
How I can determine the revison of the board and firm?
The firm can be upgraded?
Mine seems to be limited do 512mb :(
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Dragster on June 05, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: Doraemon;765740
How I can determine the revison of the board and firm?
The firm can be upgraded?
Mine seems to be limited do 512mb :(

The revision is printed on the motherboard itself... it should say 2Bx where x goes from 1 to 5...

The firmware can be upgraded but I'd do that very carefully.. you can get your Peg 2 a brick... there used to be a firmware link in the bplan website for the pegasos II but I doubt it's still there...

Cheers,

Dragster
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 05, 2014, 11:02:14 PM
http://www.bplan-gmbh.de/flash_update_for_pegasos_ii_en.html

But... I'd think twice about it is as it is possible to break the Peg board. As is with any BIOS/flash up date.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 05, 2014, 11:04:01 PM
I've been thinking about it but it doesn't tell you much on the website as to release date etc...

:-/
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 05, 2014, 11:57:01 PM
Quote from: Lurch;765726
loaded up a few programs all working.


This is also how the Articia S was deemed "flawless" in some circles...

:p ;)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 06, 2014, 12:18:34 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;765784
This is also how the Articia S was deemed "flawless" in some circles...


You could say it went north? :-)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 06, 2014, 12:26:29 AM
So the BIOS up050404 firmware is 1.1er not 1.2 so not worth flashing as my board is using 1.2.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 06, 2014, 12:28:39 AM
Quote from: Doraemon;765740
Mine seems to be limited do 512mb :(


...which seems very fair and reasonable for a Pegasos 2, and this is probably your max limit (depending on HW revision)! You can't look at the Peg through a pair of "PC world" glasses, where all kinds of makes of memory modules usually work, and if they don't, you just "update the firmware" and everything will be fine.

Lurch seems to be using the same RAM modules Genesi used when they were selling ODW's equipped with 2GB (but AFAIK, those particular systems were all 2B5's):

http://www.powerdeveloper.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1301

Read through that entire thread!

:)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 06, 2014, 12:35:45 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765786
You could say it went north? :-)


:roflmao:

:)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 06, 2014, 12:42:26 AM
Wouldn't mind getting my hands on SmartFirmware 1.3.99 20061023163101
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 06, 2014, 01:10:22 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765787
So the BIOS up050404 firmware is 1.1er not 1.2 so not worth flashing as my board is using 1.2.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasos#Firmware

They did indeed release firmware updates for *early* Peg2's, but AFAIK that was only because they fixed some serious issues that were discovered post initial HW production runs (and it was "exceptions that proves the rule" in their policy of firmware update releases). I believe that your mentioned "20040405" version was indeed the last public release of a "joint" firmware update (thus making it "the least common denominator"). Later HW revisions post that date had later firmware versions, made for that HW.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 06, 2014, 01:25:29 AM
Hmm interesting, as I've looked into it further it starts to become a scattered mess of threads with various updates mentioned.
I'm surprised nobody has set up a page with all the firmware archived.
The Peg II is a great board even today, but getting in touch with any of the companies involved is impossible. Emails go not answered.
Seems to be tainted with the Amiga curse? :-/
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 06, 2014, 01:31:20 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765792
Wouldn't mind getting my hands on SmartFirmware 1.3.99 20061023163101


Yeah, but please note that firmware isn't like "regular" SW running on top of some abstraction layer (so you can't simply ask "please release the latest version to the public", and trust that some non-existing abstraction layer will tackle any incompatibilities); the firmware is hard-coded to particular HW, the firmware is in fact the particular SW that initiates and brings the particular HW up and running, and on top of that, in SF's case, the ambitions were also bigger than being "just a BIOS". I'm sure that if Genesi/bPlan would have thought it would be a good idea to release that firmware for *your* particular motherboard, they would have done it already! ;)

Speaking of Smart Firmware "version numbers"; the "20061107" was even later, and that in turn was replaced by "20070122". But both these were for the Efika 5k2 motherboard! ;)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: takemehomegrandma on June 06, 2014, 01:49:39 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765794
Hmm interesting, as I've looked into it further it starts to become a scattered mess of threads with various updates mentioned.
I'm surprised nobody has set up a page with all the firmware archived.


I see little point in this. As a rule of thumb: Your motherboard *does* have its latest supported firmware version installed. Especially so if the SW version (upon boot) say it is "20040405" or later.
 
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The Peg II is a great board even today, but getting in touch with any of the companies involved is impossible. Emails go not answered.
Seems to be tainted with the Amiga curse? :-/


But hey, it was introduced in *2003*! That was a decade ago, practically *three entire (three-year) computer generations* ago! It was discontinued in 2006! Think about that! Is it really fair to demand *that kind* of support this long time after discontinuation? This is far from the "Amiga curse" IMHO. They do however (according to online testimonials) offer repair services still. Isn't that great? I don't see Eyetech or MAI doing that! ;)
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: magnetic on June 06, 2014, 02:02:57 AM
Quote from: Lurch;765794
Hmm interesting, as I've looked into it further it starts to become a scattered mess of threads with various updates mentioned.
I'm surprised nobody has set up a page with all the firmware archived.
The Peg II is a great board even today, but getting in touch with any of the companies involved is impossible. Emails go not answered.
Seems to be tainted with the Amiga curse? :-/



First off, bplan DOES answer emails. Have you actually tried or just making things up? There is a thread on here from last week where a guy got his peg2 board repaired by bplan.

Secondly, the reason nobody has posted a list of firmwares is because i'm sure they dont want emails saying "you ruined my computer" because upgrading firmware can be dangerous.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: magnetic on June 06, 2014, 03:58:46 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;765784
This is also how the Articia S was deemed "flawless" in some circles...

:p ;)


Hahah Ill say it know like I say it everytime somebody believes the LIES about Articia S that Hyperion and others have said. I was personally at Motorola labs in Austin when I was with Genesi and the engineers behind g4 projects told me that the Articia S was "crap" and "useless" there was actuall a row of TERON (Aka Amiga 1) computers running YDL at the labs!
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: Lurch on June 06, 2014, 04:20:50 AM
Quote from: magnetic;765797
First off, bplan DOES answer emails. Have you actually tried or just making things up? There is a thread on here from last week where a guy got his peg2 board repaired by bplan.

Secondly, the reason nobody has posted a list of firmwares is because i'm sure they dont want emails saying "you ruined my computer" because upgrading firmware can be dangerous.


Why are you always so hostile :-) Of course I made it all up LOL What a silly notion/thing to say. I've sent email to bplan about firmware and I've had no reply.

I can google a 10 year old x86 motherboard and get the BIOS updates for it. When you download the said updates it states that you may break it, of course there's always a risk. This is why they state it, most times they have an agreement you have to accept.

The firmware updates should be stored somewhere and made available, mostly for historic  reasons.

Look at Video card BIOS flashing, there's a site dedicated to storing all ATI BIOSs. It's common place to flash video cards.

You can even use ATI BIOS editor to overlock at the BIOS level, PC only of course.

I've flashed many a PC motherboard, I've even saved a couple through work that wouldn't post by doing blind flashing.

At the end of the day it's the person who's flashing the hardware that's responsible for the outcome.
Title: Re: 2GB in a Pegasos II - Yes way
Post by: BSzili on June 06, 2014, 07:38:06 AM
Come on, magnetic is just trying to prevent you from bricking your motherboard. Newer firmware versions will not work older Pegasos II revisions. What you can do with PC BIOSes is not relevant to this issue.
Back to the original topic, I googled the part number, and I found Kingston HyperX 2x1GB kits with blue heat spreaders. Do you have one of these?