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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: AmigaClassicRule on March 20, 2014, 11:34:30 PM
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Hey I am trying Icaros and it seems super awesome actually. This seems to be a very strong potential OS replacing Linux and even Ubuntu in all regards. Now if I can get this OS to go WiFi in my laptop with ease then this is one step closer from replacing my Windows 7.
If there is a program similar like teamviewer for icaros that is another point closer to replacing Windows 7 for me.
If icaros have a program like VLC or VLC player that is even another point closer to replacing Windows 7.
If I can do skype on icaros even if it is online and I can do video conference on skype even if it is online then it is one point to replacing Windows 7.
If icaros have Java support and Java script support so that I can use a java program to go online to my online university and it actually works with the latest java.com program then that is the final seal to replacing Windows 7 for me completely and I will actually go out of my way and use icaros 100% on my laptop as the main OS.
Why?
1) Speed is way faster than my Windows 7 is one factor.
2) No more worries ever again with spyware, adware, viruses.
3) The laptop is too weak to play games on it...so most of the time I use it for youtube, mp3, videos and studies, teamviewer, chatting with skype. if icaros can do all of this then I am ready and going for replacement immediately.
Can you guys answer my request above?
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I havent used it in a long time. Sounds cool. Downloading now.
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Sounds like you found the rare and perfect hardware combo.
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Tried installing it under VirtualBox but its a no go. I'll google it for a few minutes before I lose interest for the day.
EDIT: Got it working..but by telling it not to install to "DH1" work.. only DH0.
EDIT 2: The 68k apps included all crash. Maybe it was because I set Amibridge to AROS m68k? Dunno... and I dont know where to change it at either.
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I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell. I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience. I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes. If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be. When I did get it working though, I did like it, other than some bad screen resolution modes issues I hit where one minute it'd be working fine then all of a sudden it'd try slipping back to VESA mode.
I'd hoped the SAM version of AROS might replace OS4 on my SAM, but I was never, ever able to even get it to boot to install mode no matter what I did :(
I just gave up and built an Amithlon box. If I'm going to hunt for supported hardware for an OS, Amithlon gave me a better experience. I don't consider a "hosted" OS a daily driver OS, but that's just a personal nit I tend to pick.
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On that note, I hope that the new AROSithlon attempt (I think there are now two versions in the works?) provides some good fortune. It would be great to have something like Amithlon that is actually considered "legal" (like I care) so everyone can have easy acess to it.
Likewise it would be great if such a kit was designed for easy installation and driver
configuration. I've got an Amithlon box sitting right here, though I put a new drive in it
and I always hate the bit about getting everything sinced right, but once it is, it purrs like
a kitten.
Also Fish has a ton of great Amithlon tips to offer that really enhance things a lot!
I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell. I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience. I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes. If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be. When I did get it working though, I did like it, other than some bad screen resolution modes issues I hit where one minute it'd be working fine then all of a sudden it'd try slipping back to VESA mode.
I'd hoped the SAM version of AROS might replace OS4 on my SAM, but I was never, ever able to even get it to boot to install mode no matter what I did :(
I just gave up and built an Amithlon box. If I'm going to hunt for supported hardware for an OS, Amithlon gave me a better experience. I don't consider a "hosted" OS a daily driver OS, but that's just a personal nit I tend to pick.
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I guess you guys misunderstood me. I do not think I do have the compatible hardware that you mention...though when I ran it on the CD it was beautiful. Liked it a lot..VERY fast and that is on the CD and looked like a very potential OS. However, I tried to go WiFi I failed. I tried Netgear and still have not managed to go online...so all the other things I listed cannot be confirmed if I cannot go online.
So you can see from here I have an issue with getting it online which is the first requirement to convince me it is a replacement OS.
So...what I wanted to know if someone can answer the remaining questions to me if it is possible..but also if someone can help me get it online.
This is my computer spec:
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9400 @ 1.40GHz (2 CPUs), ~1.4GHz
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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio (With EC))
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID: HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0262&SUBSYS_11790606&REV_1003
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5904 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: n/a
Date and Size: 7/28/2009 21:00:14, 1966624 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No
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Sound Capture Devices
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Description: Microphone (Realtek High Definition Audio (With EC))
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.5904 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 7/28/2009 21:00:14, 1966624 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x1
Format Flags: 0xFFFFF
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DirectInput Devices
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Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a
Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a
Poll w/ Interrupt: No
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USB Devices
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+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x2938
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
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Gameport Devices
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PS/2 Devices
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+ Standard PS/2 Keyboard
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0303
| Service: i8042prt
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+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
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+ Alps Pointing-device
| Matching Device ID: *pnp0f13
| Upper Filters: ApfiltrService
| Service: i8042prt
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+ HID-compliant mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x17EF, 0x6019
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
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+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
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Drive: C:
Free Space: 118.0 GB
Total Space: 180.7 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Hitachi HTS723220L9A360
Drive: D:
Model: MAT%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!A DVD-RAM UJ-844S USB Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), , 0 bytes
Drive: E:
Model: DTSOFT Virtual CdRom Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.01.7600.16385 (English), , 0 bytes
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System Devices
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Name: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A43&SUBSYS_000C1179&REV_07\3&21436425&0&11
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2939
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2939&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&D2
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) 82801 PCI Bridge - 2448
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2448&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_93\3&21436425&0&F0
Driver: n/a
Name: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A42&SUBSYS_000C1179&REV_07\3&21436425&0&10
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2938
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2938&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&D1
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) 82567LM Gigabit Network Connection
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_10F5&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&C8
Driver: n/a
Name: Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Chipset Processor to DRAM Controller - 2A40
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A40&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_07\3&21436425&0&00
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2937
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2937&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&D0
Driver: n/a
Name: SDA Standard Compliant SD Host Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_1180&DEV_0822&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_22\4&2BB6A04D&0&58F0
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 2946
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2946&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&E3
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2936
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2936&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&EA
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2940&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&E0
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2935
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2935&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&E9
Driver: n/a
Name: High Definition Audio Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293E&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&D8
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2934
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2934&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&E8
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) WiFi Link 5100 AGN
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_4232&SUBSYS_12018086&REV_00\4&77C3528&0&00E0
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293C
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293C&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&D7
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9M-E/M SATA AHCI Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2929&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&FA
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) Management Engine Interface
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2A44&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_07\3&21436425&0&18
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293A&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&EF
Driver: n/a
Name: Intel(R) ICH9M-E LPC Interface Controller - 2917
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2917&SUBSYS_00011179&REV_03\3&21436425&0&F8
Driver: n/a
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Unfortunately I dont think your wifi is supported so youd have to get either a mini pci card or use some sort of usb option.
As for a vlc style player, mplayer is equally good. Skype has no support for any amiga system. Java no, javascript, yes (even has jut support).
Im surprised to hear the probs people are having with getting aros to run. I havr an i7 desktop, an i5 laptop, 2 core duo desktops, an athlon64 laptop, and an eeepc, and the only machine that gives me any grief is the i5 laptop.
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Hey I am trying Icaros and it seems super awesome actually. This seems to be a very strong potential OS replacing Linux and even Ubuntu in all regards. Now if I can get this OS to go WiFi in my laptop with ease then this is one step closer from replacing my Windows 7.
If there is a program similar like teamviewer for icaros that is another point closer to replacing Windows 7 for me.
If icaros have a program like VLC or VLC player that is even another point closer to replacing Windows 7.
If I can do skype on icaros even if it is online and I can do video conference on skype even if it is online then it is one point to replacing Windows 7.
If icaros have Java support and Java script support so that I can use a java program to go online to my online university and it actually works with the latest java.com program then that is the final seal to replacing Windows 7 for me completely and I will actually go out of my way and use icaros 100% on my laptop as the main OS.
Why?
1) Speed is way faster than my Windows 7 is one factor.
2) No more worries ever again with spyware, adware, viruses.
3) The laptop is too weak to play games on it...so most of the time I use it for youtube, mp3, videos and studies, teamviewer, chatting with skype. if icaros can do all of this then I am ready and going for replacement immediately.
Can you guys answer my request above?
Have you tried Aeros ? http://www.aeros-os.org/
Get AROS with linux applications and drivers :)
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Hhmmpf....never mind...too many AROS flavors....never just one with the strength and combinations of all these minds to make it that one as good as Linux with drivers, compatibilities, features...etc. If all these different sub community who are constantly making tinier and more variations of AROS combined and made one COMPLETE STAND ALONE NATIVE OS completely like Windows 7 for example and spend on grunting it with drivers, drivers, drivers and made it as compatible as Linux as possible with all these years passed by....it would overrun OS 4.1 and MorphOS and even 68k Amiga in a heart beat.....I would be using it as my main and only OS really...but...never mind............
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Aeros is more compatible to existing hardware than windows 8.
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Aeros is more compatible to existing hardware than windows 8.
LOL, good one.
A Linux hosted OS version doesn't count when you're using the hosted Linux OS to make up for the inadequacies of the end OS hardware support wise.
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Hmmm... is os x an os than? Or just Mac Os 9 finder ported over to netbsd?
The joke is a good one because it is true ; )
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The fact that there's options doesnt hinder progress. The OS core developeds continue to work on the core OS and distro makers make the distros. The work doesnt overlap. Apart from that there's different arcitectures supported. End of the day the variety helps, not hinders aros progress.
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Actually, unlike Linux, AROS underlings are all coming from a stable release of the nightlies, so the fragmentation is just superficial: you can move drivers and programs from one distro to the other and they will still mostly work (with of course exception of ABIv1) - then Icaros in example had some added local scripts but nothing prevents you to reverse engineer them a bit amd make them work in AspireOS, in example.
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All this conversation still does not lead me of whether the copy I have or icaros now is compatible with my laptop or not? OK...so what you are saying internet is not supported with my laptop that checks off many things. You also said I need special USB hardware to do the job...I thought Netgear Universal WiFi thingy miggic that worked for the A1200 will work with icaros but it failed.
So now...I am confused here. I REALLY WANT THE NATIVE icaros...I want it not some OS on top of a kernel of another. This way I can drag and drop the workbench screen like the real classic and it felt almost an x86 OS 4.1 to be honest.
However, it also failed to work and fulfill my request completely and be said it with the WINE version for hybrid of Linux/aros part...bare in mind that icaros is x86 based and WINE is open source and you can just port it to icaros natively if you wanted and have windows apps/games running on icaros.
So what I want...is icaros have support for way more hardware...especially laptop like how MorphOS is doing now. I decided to get laptop instead of desktop because the concept of MorphOS on a laptop appealed to me....I can say the same to icaros here too.
I would rather have icaros on a laptop (find it more suitable) than spend a desktop hardware specific for icaros...you see where I am coming from?
Is there some petition donation anything can be done to allow icaros to have more hardware varieties...to give it more ability to support WiFi and more variant of laptop hardware?
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@AmigaClassicRule
The advantage of running it on top of Linux are the larger number of drivers available and the ability to run Linux software. Real up to date Chromium or other browser, Open/Libre Office, Evolution mail client (Exchange email), etc.
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@AmigaClassicRule
The advantage of running it on top of Linux are the larger number of drivers available and the ability to run Linux software. Real up to date Chromium or other browser, Open/Libre Office, Evolution mail client (Exchange email), etc.
OK....in that case I might as will skip that and go right to Ubuntu. Oh...might as will skip that and go to Windows 7. There...now I am officially up to date with drivers, apps, games and support for browser.
Problem solved. Do you like my solution?
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Another way to to run AROS in a VM. The problem is the Amiga community is tiny, there isn't the manpower to write drivers or port software...
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Tried running/using/installing the latest version on my main PC just to see how the OS was progressing. Screen flickered for a sec in VESA mode and went black after that. Even took one of the gfx cards out and no difference, figured it might be an SLI problem. No dice.
Oddly, all Windows versions right back to XP run (and install right away) on this hardware without burping. (Intel Skulltrail mobo, 2x 9775 cpu's, 32 GB ECC RAM, 2x nVidia Titan cards, 1 OCZ 240 GB SSD, 1 Samsung 1 TB SSD, both SATA).
Ubuntu installed with no effort as well.
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Here notebook plus icaros native
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Asus-Eee-PC701-7-Zoll-Notebook-with-AROS-on-extra-8GB-SD-card-/151245081442?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripherieger%C3%A4te_Notebooks&hash=item2336e8cb62
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Oh one thing about wine:
It translates Win Api calls to Linux Api calls....
Even if you can port it, what you can't because aros is not posix compliant, but even you would......
It would not work because aros amiga like api is not linux api...
So you would need to redo the whole work the wine team had done all the years from scratch....
Or just run aros hosted on linux..
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anyone know how to make the included 68k software work? Just crashes on my setup. All I changed was Amibridge to AROS m68k?
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I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell. I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience. I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes. If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be.
I'm the same way. Needs to be a clear path as to this software does this..etc. If its not clearly explained then I just skip it.
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I see no fragmentation. Only different wallpapers and icons and a bunch of scripts here and there...
We are working on an package system similar to what debian uses.
With this you can build your own aros from scratch. Download a nightly and use the appstore to install themes, games and application you need. The igo packages will also take care about dependencies.
We will have indicators as stable, untested, experimental.
There is no incompatibility between those distros = no fragmentation.
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Firstly AROS supports far, far more hardware than morphos, so thats an odd comparison. Wifi support is fine, just get a supported card. If your laptop has no mini pci then you can use usb. There may wellbe a driver for your netgear card btw, I was going by the onboard intel wifi before. Does your laptop gave a pcmcia slot though?
Of my 3 laptops only 1 doesnt work completely.
As for the flavors its very simple and less convoluted than linux distros.
Also, AROS *is* native, doesnt sit on another kernel.
The different distros parallel the different 68k packages (amikit, amigasys, etc.),.... same os, same software works on them, its just the customisations to the core os that are different.
The exception is hosted, which runs aros as a VM of sorts. Again, completely compatible with current software.
Slight sidebar, buy saying a machine works "all the way back to xp" is a bit unusual seeing as xp is a still developed OS :)
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@phoenixkonsole.
Perhaps you could be a little clearer/more focused publicly. Saying things like "we're doing.....", and so on makes it sound like an AROS thing and not something youre just doing yourself. In short you seem to be confusing things for others a little by giving then the impression some of your projects are at the heart of aros, rather than your own pet projects that utilize aros.
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XP is not going to be supported further come April 9, but the point was missed in my post :)
I tried AROS on this machine and it didn't work in the least. I've used Windows variants all the way back to XP, and am currently using Windows 8.1. Works just great.
Therefore the statement of "Aeros is more compatible to existing hardware than windows 8." sort of falls flat.
I'm not trying to pick nits here, but I tried it and it didn't work at all. Even removing one of my gfx cards didn't help. Oh well, i'll try it on my other machines and see how far I get.
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Here notebook plus icaros native
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Asus-Eee-PC701-7-Zoll-Notebook-with-AROS-on-extra-8GB-SD-card-/151245081442?pt=DE_Technik_Computer_Peripherieger%C3%A4te_Notebooks&hash=item2336e8cb62
It looks to me like another laptop to buy :P I already have a very good one, then I bought a ibook g4 for morphos...I already have a good modern up to date PC tower in my room, then my A4000D, then my two consoles. I am not going to go ahead and buy another laptop just for aros when I already have a good working one here :P
I am going to just use it in vmware only then...
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@DUCE
AEROS was meant to be used with ARES One so i made it "not working" everywhere. With a bit of linux knowledge it did anyway while Win8 refuses installation on unsupported HW at all.
Aeros R4 is working everywhere but not yet released because i plan to make it available through the App Store which is not yet released.
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Fair enough. What version can I use that will support sanely modern hardware?
Tried it on my nvidia 590 / i7 box and it's not seeing the NIC at all. Dual gigabit ethernet on the motherboard.
It's an off the shelf Intel i7 920 with an nVidia 590 card and dual SSD's, using a run of the mill Asus P series mobo.
Which version of AROS would be the best for me on such hardware? I'm getting nowhere with this. I own no machines other than my Amithlon box that have old stuff like IDE interfaces and such. The lowest of my low end/older PC's is a Core 2 6750 with a nVidia 295 and dual SSD's.
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Fair enough. What version can I use that will support sanely modern hardware?
Tried it on my nvidia 590 / i7 box and it's not seeing the NIC at all. Dual gigabit ethernet on the motherboard.
It's an off the shelf Intel i7 920 with an nVidia 590 card and dual SSD's, using a run of the mill Asus P series mobo.
Which version of AROS would be the best for me on such hardware? I'm getting nowhere with this. I own no machines other than my Amithlon box that have old stuff like IDE interfaces and such. The lowest of my low end/older PC's is a Core 2 6750 with a nVidia 295 and dual SSD's.
Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?
Seriously could you at least give a motherboard model # so someone can look up what drivers are needed?
A quick and dirty Google search on some random Asus P series motherboard.
Networking:
The Intel Nic is unsupported.
Realtek 8111F Nic should be supported via the 8168.device
Sound:
Realtek 898 Sound very likely is not supported.
Video:
You should have at least vesa
Now I guess the real questions are. What is YOUR motherboard model #? What problems are you having? "It doesn't work" is so hard to diagnose.
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After reading this discussion I decided to try Aros on my Lenovo m57. Network card works straight out of the box, NIC was a no go. A shame I don't have a low profile NIC as it made a fast AROS box.
Tried AROS on my nforce2 shuttle box, booted up and came up with a RAM error when using my ATI 9200 card. I remembered from trying it sometime ago I had to delete the Nouveau driver. Once I had it booted fine, also have to manually select the nforce nic and was online with no problems from there.
Downside is it's a slower machine, with less RAM. Nevermind gives me a machine to play on :-)
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@phoenixkonsole.
Perhaps you could be a little clearer/more focused publicly. Saying things like "we're doing.....", and so on makes it sound like an AROS thing and not something youre just doing yourself. In short you seem to be confusing things for others a little by giving then the impression some of your projects are at the heart of aros, rather than your own pet projects that utilize aros.
Ok :)
Package System does not belong to the core development and "we" has been used because 3 People are plural ; )
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"Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?"
Well, mainly cause the other dude said this OS supports more hardware than Windows 8, perhaps? When I can't even get a display, I do think it's worth noting the make and model of the graphics card (s), lol.
Not getting even VESA mode on this machine. Display blips then goes black. Skulltrail mobo, dual 9975's, Dual Titan's, etc.
My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it. Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.
Oh well, I tried.
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"Why do people think it's the video card and CPU that are the important details for an OS to boot?"
Well, mainly cause the other dude said this OS supports more hardware than Windows 8, perhaps? When I can't even get a display, I do think it's worth noting the make and model of the graphics card (s), lol.
Not getting even VESA mode on this machine. Display blips then goes black. Skulltrail mobo, dual 9975's, Dual Titan's, etc.
My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it. Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.
Oh well, I tried.
Network:
Silly question but what network driver did you try? Aros does not auto detect netcard drivers. The correct one for the Asus P6T should be the 8169.device. That board is supposed to have a Realtek 8111C nic.
Audio:
The ALC1200 Codec pretty sure it won't be supported yet however that would be the HDA driver if it is supported.
Video:
For now I would stick with Vesa. The grub menu has a couple legacy modes.
As for the supports more hardware than windows 8 comment I'm pretty sure he was talking about his distro which is actually a linux hosted distro. Aros native supports more hardware than any of the other Amigaoid OSes but it's still limited.
But actually letting people know what it's actually doing is much more useful than just saying it doesn't work.
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And "the screen flickered then went black" was explaining what happened. I explained the issues I was having on the various systems I was trying every step of the way :)
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And "the screen flickered then went black" was explaining what happened. I explained the issues I was having on the various systems I was trying every step of the way :)
I was replying to this portion ... should have quoted though.
My i7 machine has an Asus P6T mobo and I did manage to get it working in VESA mode, but I can't see the NIC at all on it. Installed a spare Bigfoot PCIe NIC (Killer 2100) in the machine and no dice there either.
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It looks to me like another laptop to buy :P I already have a very good one, then I bought a ibook g4 for morphos...I already have a good modern up to date PC tower in my room, then my A4000D, then my two consoles. I am not going to go ahead and buy another laptop just for aros when I already have a good working one here :P
You went to the trouble of buying a MorphOS-compatible laptop for MorphOS. Maybe you should have bought an AROS-compatible machine for AROS.
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I liked AROS when I played with it a few times, but found the fragmentation that's happening with the different variants annoying as hell. I found the whole Icaros, Broadway, AROS Vision, AspireOS thing to be a confusing pain, but then again, I'm short on patience. I'm simply used to Linux distro's where I can clearly click on either x64 or 32 bit variants and have the OS burned on a USB key or optical media and installed within 3 minutes. If I've gotta dig around and slog through different variants, I just wash my hands of it, but maybe the download options are more clear now than they used to be.
Are you also annoyed that there's more than one Linux distro? The official AROS website does have links to most of the AROS distros, but I can't see anything wrong with that. Anyway, if it bothers you that much, you can just pretend only one of them exists.
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You went to the trouble of buying a MorphOS-compatible laptop for MorphOS. Maybe you should have bought an AROS-compatible machine for AROS.
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In regards to a reasonably modern machine and/or distro, Ive run it on my i7-860 + gf 570 system and it works nicely on both icaros and aspiros. Sound on mobo is supported, as is hardware 3d acceleration.
Its a socket 1156 system, but that has its advantages as wrll (cpus arent locked, so good value can he had). Board is msi m55-e33.
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Are you also annoyed that there's more than one Linux distro? The official AROS website does have links to most of the AROS distros, but I can't see anything wrong with that. Anyway, if it bothers you that much, you can just pretend only one of them exists.
Not particularly, no. The deciding factor is I can download one Linux kernel version and I know all my hardware will be supported, be it Mint, Ubuntu, Redhat, SUSE, etc. Hell, even Solaris works on every machine I own, machines spanning a good 8 years or so. In the end with Linux, it's mainly just a matter of preference when most of the big boys are all rolling along the current kernel.
All I can tell you is I grabbed the mainstream, commodity hardware AROS variant I was recommended and it didn't work on two of three machines I tried it on. Tried the same version, same install media in fact, and crapped out two out of three times. One black screen, the other a NIC that no matter what driver I tried I came up without any connectivity.
If you got the impression I was trying to do some smoke and mirrors trick like getting the 68k version running natively on my dual Intel 9775's, my apology for the confusions.