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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on March 18, 2014, 05:46:36 AM
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News from kas1e via amigaworld.net
Download (http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=showfile&file=network/browser/odyssey.lha)
Screenshots (http://os4depot.net/index.php?function=modules/snapshot/display&fileid=8684#8684_5)
Now, as we all know no one reads the readme and everyone just wants to unpack it and run, so here are couple of fast answers:
Q: Why does it say on running that I have old mui ?
A: Because you need very latest mui version from http://muidev.de (http://muidev.de). New mui has new (and necessary) classes for autoform filling (don't forget to enable it in options), as well as have some necessary bug fixes.
Q: Did youtube work right from the beginning ?
A: Youtube is crap: not everything is html5 still. Youtube has different ways to display vids (for one you need scripts , for another one you do not; for some you need to spoof, for others not). So, some vids will work for you
without anything to do from your side, another ones, may not work. For some you need to enable scripts from
Fab (be sure to have latest versions always from: http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/ (http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owb/scripts/)) , for others you need to disabled them. For some you need to spoof as different OS, for others not. In general spoofing
as iPAD always made any video work (though slower, as rendering window is a bit bigger). I.e. if video didn't work
as you want, try to spoof it as all the other OSes to found better one.
The very good explain and howto from Fab about youtube/odyssey are there:
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=87113#forumpost87113
(http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=87113#forumpost87113)
Q: Why when I come to play some videos, I have "The Adobe Flash Player is required for video playback, get the latest one" ?
A: Because on that video youtube wants to use flash, and while on MorphOS the swfdec plugin gets rid of that message, it is still only visual, and in end you need to do the same as on MorphOS: i.e. spoof, or enable/disable scripts, etc.
Q: How fast it ? Qill it works on my A1200 , or Sam440 ?
A: Window mode is quite slow in comparison with all modern browsers on x86. The reason is that for window mode cairo does the
rendering and no hw acceleration is done. So, on Pegasos2 / 1GHz , you can have about 20fps in 240 quality. i.e. A1200, Sam440, and anything like that may be out of question.
NOTE: That the same on MorphOS. For real use they use fullscreen-overlay(!) based playing code, which based on
CGX5.
Q: Why only window mode, why not fullscreen/overlay as on MorphOS so to have youtube vids plays fast ?
A: Because making proper support of fullscreen in odyssey means making use of p96 overlay, and while there are a number of issues like how to just make it all properly, another one is that all RadeonHD's do not have overlay support, which means to support them needs some different kind of code. Implementing of all of this can take a lot of time, so better to have just pure SW rendered window mode, than no have html5 mediaplayer at all. When something will be done in that term, odyssey port will be updated.
Of course, people with 1GHz and more will not have to worry mostly. For a few x1000 betatesters 480 quality are good enough by speed.
Q: Will there new bugs ? How stable is it now ?
A: Of course new bugs will be. How stable it : to be tested by you all.
Q: You say binary will be 55MB of size, but its 63, wtf ?
A: I left specially some debug symbols in, so user's crashlogs will be of good use for me. But if you still
want to have 55MB of size, just go to shell , and do "strip odyssey".
In end, thanks to:
-- to Fab, who make it , open sourced and help us to port it.
-- to Thore, who works on mui4 and update/fix it everyday
-- to Deniil from OnyxSoft who rewrite some necessary parts from mos to os4 in odyssey
-- to Joerg Strohmayer because of who we have proper languages support, threading curl, native mouse pointers and some fixes.
-- to Hans-Joerg Frieden who give me his fresh version of sqlite to use with Odyssey which he use for TW.
-- to all users for their donations/support (its motivate, yep), as well as for bugreports and tests.
-- to everyone who in adequate while still use amigas (i know, its hard to be sane !:) )
Holiday in Cambodia !
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congrats. should have been done like that to start with.
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In end, thanks to:
-- to Fab, who make it , open sourced and help us to port it.
-- to Thore, who works on mui4 and update/fix it everyday
-- to Deniil from OnyxSoft who rewrite some necessary parts from mos to os4 in odyssey
-- to Joerg Strohmayer because of who we have proper languages support, threading curl, native mouse pointers and some fixes.
-- to Hans-Joerg Frieden who give me his fresh version of sqlite to use with Odyssey which he use for TW.
-- to all users for their donations/support (its motivate, yep), as well as for bugreports and tests.
-- to everyone who in adequate while still use amigas (i know, its hard to be sane !:) )
-- to those 192 people who financially supported the bounty that made it possible to Open Source Odyssey in the first place!
(Well, you are welcome! :))
Link: Odyssey Open Source bounty Hall of Fame (http://www.power2people.org/projects/odyssey/)
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Thanks Kas1e - works great on the AmigaONE X1000 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1071) here!
Donation sent for your hard work on this!
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This is great, it runs really well on the SAM440.
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Working here too on my X1000 (even YouTube :) )
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Thanks Kas1e - works great on the AmigaONE X1000 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1071) here!
Donation sent for your hard work on this!
Cool. Its not support from Hyperion or A-eon, but still, X1000 distributor support is nice.
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Works great here, on my CDTV! ;)
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Works great here, on my CDTV! ;)
REALLY?
Now that IS neat.
An adequate native Amiga browser.
Over half my computer needs met in one application.
we live
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-- to those 192 people who financially supported the bounty that made it possible to Open Source Odyssey in the first place!
(Well, you are welcome! :))
Link: Odyssey Open Source bounty Hall of Fame (http://www.power2people.org/projects/odyssey/)
:cool:
Congrats to all involved, finally a decent browser in 2014.
MUI4, OWB ... What is next? Reggae and Ambient?
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News from kas1e via amigaworld.net
Q: Why when I come to play some videos, I have "The Adobe Flash Player is required for video playback, get the latest one" ?
A: Because on that video youtube wants to use flash, and while on MorphOS the swfdec plugin gets rid of that message, it is still only visual, and in end you need to do the same as on MorphOS: i.e. spoof, or enable/disable scripts, etc
Holiday in Cambodia !
Well deserved, does http://www.youtube.com/html5 player remove the prob, with no needs to plugins, spoof ...
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glad I donated, works great here:)
thanks to fab, kas1e and all other involved:pint:
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MUI4, OWB ... What is next? Reggae and Ambient?
MorphOS?
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MorphOS?
:cool:
Well, as soon as SAM460ex support is out, my next 100 euros go for it. Plus for gfx card for it.
Sadly, no x1000 edit planned, even Trevor wanted to donate Nemo board. Well, if PPC path to 4.x leasts longer, maybe x1000/x5000 get supported. Or my Playstation 3 :-)
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:drink::drink::drink:
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I just want to take a moment to congratulate all the amiga users, especially those who contributed to the bounty.
The users have managed to do TWO things hyperion has not been able to manage since 2006.
1) Porting a modern browser to amiga os 4.x
2) Paying the developers!
:laughing:
Maybe this new trend should continue?
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I just want to take a moment to congratulate all the amiga users, especially those who contributed to the bounty.
The users have managed to do TWO things hyperion has not been able to manage since 2006.
1) Porting a modern browser to amiga os 4.x
2) Paying the developers!
:laughing:
Maybe this new trend should continue?
And thanks especially to core MorphOS developer Fabien Coeurjoly for making the source code available.
One crack in the "blue vs red" wall.
Made from our side, not Hyperion's.
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And thanks especially to core MorphOS developer Fabien Coeurjoly for making the source code available.
One crack in the "blue vs red" wall.
Made from our side, not Hyperion's.
I don't understand all this criticism of Hyperion when it comes to this sort of thing.
It's quite apparent - to me at least - that OS 4 is much more than just "HyperionOS" - it's more a labour of love of AmigaKit and A-Eon, or at least that's how it seems to me.
Please: forget the "sides". AmigaOS 4 has a many more people working on it these days than just Hyperion.
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I don't understand all this criticism of Hyperion when it comes to this sort of thing.
It's quite apparent - to me at least - that OS 4 is much more than just "HyperionOS" - it's more a labour of love of AmigaKit and A-Eon, or at least that's how it seems to me.
Please: forget the "sides". AmigaOS 4 has a many more people working on it these days than just Hyperion.
they cannot resist these small taunts :)
If Hyperion would for example open sources in one case or another the critisicm would become less for sure. Perhaps the responsible persons read this and think about it.
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I don't understand all this criticism of Hyperion when it comes to this sort of thing.
It's quite apparent - to me at least - that OS 4 is much more than just "HyperionOS" - it's more a labour of love of AmigaKit and A-Eon, or at least that's how it seems to me.
Please: forget the "sides". AmigaOS 4 has a many more people working on it these days than just Hyperion.
I can. Whenever you ask for something about the software side of X1000, you are told its Hyperion jobs to do. Then you ask Steven and you get not a real answer but we might look to it, no realistic plans. If you take a closer look, most of AmigaOS advancements these days are done by community bounties / individual efforts like Kas1e port in this case.
It kind of look likes Hyperion is dead. OS 4.2 is more a mythical object, hope they will prove me wrong, but its 4th year since they had Nemo board and not even full board drivers (net card, SD card) are done. From Hyperipons stance I believe drivers should be done by board manufacturer - at least they claim it in SAM460ex SATA DMA case, and when you ask Trevor he sais Hyperion should do it and more important THAT HE CANT INFLUENCE THEM!
Who did 7.1 sound driver? Lyle.
So its "no one is responsible" sad sad game, where only efforts of good and skilled people, save the day1.
In the end AmigaOS 4 should really go free and open source or to some more skilled owner.
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I just want to take a moment to congratulate all the amiga users, especially those who contributed to the bounty.
The users have managed to do TWO things hyperion has not been able to manage since 2006.
1) Porting a modern browser to amiga os 4.x
2) Paying the developers!
:laughing:
Maybe this new trend should continue?
lame try
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And thanks especially to core MorphOS developer Fabien Coeurjoly for making the source code available.
One crack in the "blue vs red" wall.
Made from our side, not Hyperion's.
I think this red vs blue is more of a MOS thing than an amiga thing
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Holiday in Cambodia? What wandering around Ankor Wat and dealing with squat toilets? Not getting run over by a moped? Trying to rescue your camera from monkeys? Or are we referring to the sex tourism?
I know a lot of people are in love with Cambodia as a tourist destination but both Vietnam and Thailand have beaches....
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Tried it on my SAM440ep. Works real well, cheers for the hard work!
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Holiday in Cambodia? What wandering around Ankor Wat and dealing with squat toilets? Not getting run over by a moped? Trying to rescue your camera from monkeys? Or are we referring to the sex tourism?
I know a lot of people are in love with Cambodia as a tourist destination but both Vietnam and Thailand have beaches....
At a guess..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Rm-Fu8rBms
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I think this red vs blue is more of a MOS thing than an amiga thing
Don't think too hard, you'll hurt yourself.
Sure, we hate those guys so much that we paid to give them our Browser.
What I hate is the commandeering of the Amiga legacy by someone that got it from Bill McEwen.
Since Bill's claim to those rights is pretty threadbare.
And that's MorphOS, as MOS is taken.
You know, the OS that existed before AOS4 was started.
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And thanks especially to core MorphOS developer Fabien Coeurjoly for making the source code available.
One crack in the "blue vs red" wall.
Made from our side, not Hyperion's.
http://euaejit.blogspot.no/
who do you think is responsible for this open source project, and what team does he work for?
The only difference is Fab requered payment to release the source code, Almos Rajnai is doing basically for free (Donation is optional..)
And lest not forget RoadShow.
There are no difference, between Hyperion developers or MoprhOS developers, developers are just as different as normal people, you can't generalize like this.
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http://euaejit.blogspot.no/
who do you think is responsible for this open source project, and what team does he work for?
The only difference is Fab requered payment to release the source code, Almos Rajnai is doing basically for free (Donation is optional..)
And lest not forget RoadShow.
There are no difference, between Hyperion developers or MoprhOS developers, developers are just as different as normal people, you can't generalize like this.
Very good point.
My apologies for bringing Hyperion into this discussion.
And congratulations to all the hard working OS4 developers that made MUI4 and this port possible AND to those who donated.
There IS one big difference between our developers though, we get what we are promised, usually pretty promptly.
Still, that isn't to say that the wishlist for OS4.2 won't be fulfilled.
Just that it might take a really long time to get there.
I hope OS4 is around for a long time. The competition will just improve all NG OS'.
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Still, that isn't to say that the wishlist for OS4.2 won't be fulfilled.
Just that it might take a really long time to get there.
I hope OS4 is around for a long time. The competition will just improve all NG OS'.
Don't underestimate just how big the changes are that are specced for OS 4.2... I'd rather wait longer until it's ready than have a release that's a step backwards. It's not as though we're not getting regular updates through AmiUpdate in the meantime.
You're quite right about OS4 and MOS and AROS helping each other (just look at the JIT UAE, Odyssey etc.) - I think the competition and the co-operation will improve them all. Losing any one of the OSes would be a loss for all the OSes.
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Don't underestimate just how big the changes are that are specced for OS 4.2... I'd rather wait longer until it's ready than have a release that's a step backwards. It's not as though we're not getting regular updates through AmiUpdate in the meantime.
You're quite right about OS4 and MOS and AROS helping each other (just look at the JIT UAE, Odyssey etc.) - I think the competition and the co-operation will improve them all. Losing any one of the OSes would be a loss for all the OSes.
Totally agree.
If just part of the spec list for 4.2 makes it out, it will drive the other two OS' onto further development.
Could be good times ahead, especially if cooperation increases.