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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: matt3k on February 12, 2004, 06:59:04 PM
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Why has the Amiga community been so quiet on the development of the platform?
I would've thought that there would have been more on their websites and more activity in general. Is there a particular reason for this?
I would love to buy an AmigaOne, but it is hard to find out where it is in development and what I should expect from the product once everything is available?
I 'm an old Amiga user (since 1986) and care about it's development and support. I occasionally visit the websites for all 3 companies and haven't seen many changes...
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The problem is that there are many users like you (and I) that are in the same situation, we are waiting for the release of OS4 before even considering the purchase of a new A1 system (or equivelent).
So, in short, you and I are the problem. The developers will not invest heavily in the development of new equipment and software until they can see a viable market for their product, to enable them to sell at a realistic price they must achieve large economies of scale in production.
The problem with this, for us (potential) users, is that this creates the vicious circle argument. We will not buy systems until there is a decent amount of software and the developers will not develop until we have bought enough of the machines.
We cannot blame the developers for at the end of the day, they are only trying to make a profit to appease their shareholders, and would be very foolish if they did not at least try to do this. The Amiga is not, and never will be the kind of market as the PC, where if developers ignore it, they virtually seal their commercial fate - as we are a niche market we need to convince them that the Amiga is a viable platform. But due to the machines history, which is as much a negative point as a positive one, due to the high levels of piracy, means we need to educate the developers that the market has changed considerably since the days of old when piracy was rife.
But as we all know, first impressions once made are difficult to change.
So, overall, you and I are the problem. If we invest in the machines we will solve the future problem buy giving the developers a decent market for their products, but if we don't then the Amiga will become even more of a niche machine.
:-(
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their not quiet , check out the real AMIGA website AmigaWorld.net , but yes if u mean by releasing stuff etc, they are quiet because they are working on it.., anyway they talk to you on that website if u have any questions for em..
cheers
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All three websites, Amiga Inc's, Hyperion's, and Eyetech's, haven't been updated in ages now. Considering the release of OS4 is "imminent", why the silence?
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@matt3k
The lack of information on the official websites is disconcerting.
That reminds me, I need to update the pegasos (http://www.pegasosppc.com) website.
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I had an idea about this whole thing once, so here's a good place to put it. :-)
If Hyperion is doing OS4, and Eyetech is doing A1, what does it matter that Amiga is in the state that it is in now (no offices, etc.)? Amiga hasn't really anything to do at the moment but wait around.
So, to keep on topic... Amiga is silent because it doesn't really have anything to say. Amiga might not be doing anything (as far as I know), but things are being done (as far as I know :-)).
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Why is Amiga, Eyetech, and Hyperion so quiet?
Busy working? :-P
:lol:
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iamaboringperson wrote:
Why is Amiga, Eyetech, and Hyperion so quiet?
Busy working? :-P
:lol:
:roflmao:
:roflmao:
:roflmao:
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Why has the Amiga community been so quiet on the development of the platform?
Well, some OS4 developers will answer questions on amigaworld.net forums from time to time, and there are monthy OS4 status updates on the os.amiga.com club amiga monthly online magazine.. but you need to be a club amiga member or an amigaone owner to access those unfortunately. People will get pissed off if I paste what was said in the update, but I'll say two things - the 68k emulation has had an overhaul and is now up to 20% faster in some things, and it emulates nearly all FPU op codes.. which includes the 68881/68882. Also SciTech have finished porting their 2d gfx card drivers to Linux PPC .. so Hyperion can start the OS4 port when they have time now.
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Maybe sources for small quantities of G3 & G4 processors is drying up. If M$ is ordering a crap load of G5's for the next X-Box then production lines may have shifted. :shocked:
Sorry, but its not the first time Tech coming to the market wasn't under cutted by rivals, thus delaying, postponing and or killing any future competition. :cry:
Sorry, not trying to be negative, but obviously succeeding anyway. :-o
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Could be they are waiting til the have a completed saleable solution or things are changeing so fast that it would be insane to keep a website up to date.
The REAL answer: Who knows. We'll know when we know.
Try searching the news sites for up coming and past show reports, screen shots, interviews.
There were just some screen shot release not too long ago.
Best bet check the Amiga news sites, that's where the news is.
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The REAL answer: Who knows. We'll know when we know
I've been coming back to this site for nearly 2 years and nothing has changed. I reckon I could code an entire platform in 2 years by myself.
I truly have given up hope - I went and bought a PC the other day... the dream is over.
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Yet, Here you are.
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Yes here I am - declaring that the dream is over. People want to see results... there has been plenty f talk, but no OS. Am I the only person who's patience has run out?
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I truly have given up hope - I went and bought a PC the other day... the dream is over.
Don't worry, you'll be back :-)
It might take a few years, but we all eventually come back :-D
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El_Duduarino wrote:
Yes here I am - declaring that the dream is over. People want to see results... there has been plenty f talk, but no OS. Am I the only person who's patience has run out?
You have now entered the Dark Side of computing. Save yourself or you will become a M$ Borg. M$ gates will own your computer soul. . . . :-P
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KennyR wrote:
All three websites, Amiga Inc's, Hyperion's, and Eyetech's, haven't been updated in ages now. Considering the release of OS4 is "imminent", why the silence?
Uh oh... the last time there was silence... Eyetech had some shocking news for us!
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T_Bone wrote:
Uh oh... the last time there was silence... Eyetech had some shocking news for us!
Wasn't that something along the lines of "We've got no money, you've got no OS, dunno when things are going to start up again" or am I thinking back too far?
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Hrrrmm....
"Silence is gold" somebody said...
.....and added "Let now speech be silver" - and kept quiet...
I "fear" the silence lately is about to be releaved by
a storm of news......imho "no news are good news"...
...and I do think most of us are in for a surprise :-)
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@El_Duduarino
>I've been coming back to this site for nearly 2 years and nothing has changed. I reckon I could code an entire platform in 2 years by myself.
Lets see.. since 2002 we have..
a new OS .. MorphOS
new hardware .. Pegasos2
in near future (tm) we will have..
a new OS .. OS4
new hardware .. Micro A1
But since you've got a new PC.. I can assure Amithlon will make you happy.. the only problem is the hefty pricetag. But the same goes for A1 anyway so...
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>I truly have given up hope - I went and bought a PC the other day... the dream is over.
Eh... I have 3 PC's. 2 Amigas, and my as yet to be AmigaOne. I actually even use one of the PCs, Final Fantasy XI is an OK game...
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(about patience running out)
El_Duduarino: I gave up worrying (too much) about OS4 well over a year ago. It was not worth extra stress and their 'ready-soon' announcements got way too boring to follow. If it someday happens, it happens. If it never makes to the level I would bother considering to purchase new computer for it, then it don't affect my life anymore.
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@El_Duduarino
I think your ego has left the planet here. You're not coding a platform in 2 years by yourself! That's a bit naive( a huge understatement here).
Programming an OS takes a long time. Well, programming in generall takes a long time. I can wait!
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Linux was built in a couple of months.
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Linux was built in a couple of months.
Maybe.. but even OS 2.x is way ahead of linux 1.0 :-D You really cant compare it to a modern 2.6 kernel..
And its better to wait a few months longer than to have an unfinished/buggy Os4 imho.. btw, why not keep your amiga and use both in a network..
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@El_Duduarino
Just for kicks, you should look at the Linux 0.9 kernel source (the one that Linus did all by himself). It's pretty cool for a one-man effort, but it was pretty limited. If I remember correctly, it only supported 4MB of memory (because that's what Linus had, so he could not test larger configurations), only IDE disk drives (hosting only the Minix filesystem) and only VGA text mode; XFree86 only came a couple years later. SCSI, USB, "proper" filesystems, all those other things have been added by thousands of other people over the course of the last ten years (Linux first booted at roughly the same time that CBM went bust). Linus has been contributing code since the project become public, but his role has increasingly become one of architect and project manager.