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Title: FPGA update?
Post by: AmigaClassicRule on January 29, 2014, 02:35:14 AM
Things seems super quiet...any idea why?
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Lizard on January 29, 2014, 08:37:52 AM
If you mean FPGA Arcade, most action happens now at http://www.fpgaarcade.com/punbb/
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: wawrzon on March 02, 2014, 01:12:12 PM
shouldnt it be somehow put as sticky for those interested? otherwise one really might got impression the project were abandoned. i for my part  have lost the track. have these consumer hardware releases, its been talked about year ago or more, talkn place?
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Darrin on March 02, 2014, 06:26:43 PM
@ Wawrzon:

There's still lots of "tweaking" going on, and the details are available on the FPGA Arcade forum.  It is worth signing up as new developers are appearing on a regular basis, and each of them has a desire to create a new core.

Right now we have some final touches being applied to the Amiga core, a working VIC-20, work in progress on various Atari cores, work in process on the C64 and some aracde games in various statges of development.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: wawrzon on March 02, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
not going to sign in, as ill hardly contribute, but ill definitely try to observe.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Darrin on March 02, 2014, 08:28:46 PM
Yep, I try and leave the developers to do their stuff and just add a few lines of encouragement or ask some occasional simple questions.  :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: XDelusion on March 02, 2014, 08:48:42 PM
Atari core. As in 8-bit I hope!!! :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Darrin on March 02, 2014, 08:54:25 PM
400/800/XE/XL and ST in the works apparently.  :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: XDelusion on March 02, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
Quote from: Darrin;760040
400/800/XE/XL and ST in the works apparently.  :)


The ST will be useful if it evolves into STE and can play Pac-Man on E's. Though the 8-bit systems are really where it's at for me! I'd be hyped, even if Amiga support wasn't part of the package! :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: gaula92 on March 02, 2014, 09:12:05 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760042
The ST will be useful if it evolves into STE and can play Pac-Man on E's. Though the 8-bit systems are really where it's at for me! I'd be hyped, even if Amiga support wasn't part of the package! :)


The implementation is done by foft, and I have it running here already on the Altera DE1 board.
It's an incredible work! Now, Atari 8bit hardware lives forever, as it's open-source too. :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: XDelusion on March 02, 2014, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: gaula92;760043
The implementation is done by foft, and I have it running here already on the Altera DE1 board.
It's an incredible work! Now, Atari 8bit hardware lives forever, as it's open-source too. :)


Now that's some exciting news indeed!!!
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: vox on March 02, 2014, 11:33:18 PM
Quote from: AmigaClassicRule;758138
Things seems super quiet...any idea why?

While not FPGA related, what are possible uses of SAM460ex FPGA under Linux, AmigaOS, MorphOS and AROS?
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: nicholas on March 03, 2014, 12:27:47 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;760042
The ST will be useful if it evolves into STE and can play Pac-Man on E's. Though the 8-bit systems are really where it's at for me! I'd be hyped, even if Amiga support wasn't part of the package! :)

When they've got an Atari Falcon clone I'll be interested. :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: vox on March 03, 2014, 01:24:42 AM
Quote from: nicholas;760053
When they've got an Atari Falcon clone I'll be interested. :)

Well having SAM460ex FPGA emulating Falcon or DSP would be awesome, if possible, or if any FPGA Arcade or similar cores could be used?

http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php?b=6¬e=38769&z=yuuKBA
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=news&id=89
http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=7001&forum=3
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: freqmax on March 03, 2014, 01:49:16 PM
How portable are these computer clone implementations to other FPGA chips? The one used in Replay is marked "not suitable for new designs" asfair. So newer Xilinx chips will be needed sooner or later.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: XDelusion on March 03, 2014, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: nicholas;760053
When they've got an Atari Falcon clone I'll be interested. :)


Ha ha, don't hold your breath! :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: freqmax on March 03, 2014, 11:16:16 PM
The Amiga implementation shows that Motorola 68030 alike is doable. But the DSP, Motorola 56001 is a more uncertain component. I don't think the other chips would pose a big challenge.

So anyone that want to try this computer should deal with the Motorola 56001 mainly.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: mikej on March 03, 2014, 11:25:00 PM
Quote from: freqmax;760131
The Amiga implementation shows that Motorola 68030 alike is doable. But the DSP, Motorola 56001 is a more uncertain component. I don't think the other chips would pose a big challenge.

So anyone that want to try this computer should deal with the Motorola 56001 mainly.


I've just been reading through the 56K data sheet, doesn't look too bad actually.
/Mike
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: vox on March 04, 2014, 10:55:11 AM
Quote from: mikej;760132
I've just been reading through the 56K data sheet, doesn't look too bad actually.
/Mike

Its  a great and usable Motorola design, Falcon has proven it by doing way more then it was possible on 030 Amigas. It was planned for A3000+ sadly never out, and would fit Amiga way more then Xena.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt023QhL_-k
http://www.pouet.net/topic.php?which=2919
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=22582
http://tomas.nocrew.org/DSP/DSP-main.html
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/a3000plus.html
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: nicholas on March 04, 2014, 11:34:43 AM
Quote from: mikej;760132
I've just been reading through the 56K data sheet, doesn't look too bad actually.
/Mike

If you manage to recreate the Falcon I'll be a very happy chappy indeed. :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: billt on March 04, 2014, 06:38:21 PM
Quote from: nicholas;760159
If you manage to recreate the Falcon I'll be a very happy chappy indeed. :)


The Suska team are working toward Falcon compatibility it seems. Might be portable to the FPGA-Replay board, depending on what goes in the FPGA, and what goes on the board outside.

http://experiment-s.de/en/blog

Quote
2013-08-13
... The work on the Falcon chipset continue smoothely. You can see the current status in he section Progress.

2013-12-24
... Furthermore Suska-III-N, a new hardware based on a Cyclone-III has been developed. It is a platform well suited for the realization of a Falcon. ...
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: XDelusion on March 04, 2014, 07:49:47 PM
Well now this is amazing! So in theory, if they can pull off the DSP for the Falcon, then a developer should be able to acess the DSP from the Amiga side, right?
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: billt on March 04, 2014, 08:40:19 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;760169
Well now this is amazing! So in theory, if they can pull off the DSP for the Falcon, then a developer should be able to acess the DSP from the Amiga side, right?


All we'd need at that point is a driver or library to use it, then yes.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: zylesea on March 04, 2014, 10:08:17 PM
Quote from: billt;760171
All we'd need at that point is a driver or library to use it, then yes.


Delfina library? That card featured a 56001. I loved the delfina - should have kept it instead of selling it off. The 56k was used for quite some effects or to offload mp3 decoding. Unfortunately the RAM was very little (at least) on the lite board.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: nicholas on March 05, 2014, 03:25:57 PM
Quote from: billt;760167
The Suska team are working toward Falcon compatibility it seems. Might be portable to the FPGA-Replay board, depending on what goes in the FPGA, and what goes on the board outside.

http://experiment-s.de/en/blog

Scorchio! :)
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Machico2012 on March 05, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
A straight question: When can i buy the fpga arcade board and use it as an amiga out of the box with no problems with line codes, complicated configs, out of the blue errors etc, just ready to use my 3.1, 3.5 & 3.9 hdf & adf games - demos, this year perhaps? thanks.
Great work mikej, keep up.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Machico2012 on March 05, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
Straight question: When can i buy the fpga arcade board and use it has an amiga out of the box, with no problems with complicate configs, programming skills etc, just use my 3.1,3.5 and 3.9 hdf and adf games & demos.
Great project mikej, keep up, thanks.
This year perhaps?
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: JimDrew on March 05, 2014, 04:21:49 PM
This year, absolutely - and maybe by the end of this month.  There is not much left to do at this point.  The final I/O stuff is being done and there were a few quirks with the AGA emulation that were being corrected.  It's running demanding AGA demos and such already.  So, all of the difficult work has been done.
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Gryfon on March 05, 2014, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: JimDrew;760236
This year, absolutely - and maybe by the end of this month.  There is not much left to do at this point.  The final I/O stuff is being done and there were a few quirks with the AGA emulation that were being corrected.  It's running demanding AGA demos and such already.  So, all of the difficult work has been done.


Awe inspiring work from all those involved and especially to Mike for pushing the dream in his own time, out of his own pocket, for so very long.

A very big thank you to all involved!
Title: Re: FPGA update?
Post by: Machico2012 on March 05, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
Quote from: JimDrew;760236
This year, absolutely - and maybe by the end of this month.  There is not much left to do at this point.  The final I/O stuff is being done and there were a few quirks with the AGA emulation that were being corrected.  It's running demanding AGA demos and such already.  So, all of the difficult work has been done.


That´s great news, i´ll be watching closely. Thank you.