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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: amigakit on December 29, 2013, 01:04:33 PM
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A-EON Christmas Cracker (http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-11-2013), the Christmas Promotion for the AmigaONE X1000 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1071) will be ending on the 7th January 2014.
The promotion is currently available until this date from participating Amiga dealers such as AmigaKit.com, Relec, Alinea Computer and AMedia
The AmigaONE X1000 is a the fastest and most powerful AmigaOS 4 capable machine available, centered around the PA6T CPU.
It features the latest RadeonHD graphics card driver (http://www.a-eon.com/?page=radeonhd) and 7.1 HD Audio driver for AmigaOS 4.1.
In addition there are optional extras such as special edition Catweasel MK2AE (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=567) which can let you read original Classic Amiga floppy disks on your X1000!
The AmigaONE X1000 is A-EON Technology's flagship product. During 2013 there has been a large amount of development on the AmigaONE X1000 which has grown it into a more mature product and further software and updates will be forthcoming in 2014, commissioned by A-EON Technology Ltd.
Where To Buy:
UK Customers:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/GBP.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1071
USA Customers:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071
European Customers:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/EUR.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1071
Switzerland Customer:
http://www.relec.ch
German Customers:
http://www.alinea-computer.de (Email For Details)
French Customers:
http://amiga.amedia-computer.com/index.php/catalogue/infos/2/6/AM_PACKNEMO1
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A-EON Christmas Cracker (http://www.a-eon.com/?news=21-11-2013), the Christmas Promotion for the AmigaONE X1000 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1071) will be ending on the 7th January 2014.
The promotion is currently available until this date from participating Amiga dealers such as AmigaKit.com, Relec, Alinea Computer and AMedia
The AmigaONE X1000 is a the fastest and most powerful AmigaOS 4 capable machine available, centered around the PA6T CPU.
It features the latest RadeonHD graphics card driver (http://www.a-eon.com/?page=radeonhd) and 7.1 HD Audio driver for AmigaOS 4.1.
In addition there are optional extras such as special edition Catweasel MK2AE (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=567) which can let you read original Classic Amiga floppy disks on your X1000!
The AmigaONE X1000 is A-EON Technology's flagship product. During 2013 there has been a large amount of development on the AmigaONE X1000 which has grown it into a more mature product and further software and updates will be forthcoming in 2014, commissioned by A-EON Technology Ltd.
Where To Buy:
UK Customers:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/GBP.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1071
USA Customers:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071
European Customers:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/EUR.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1071
Switzerland Customer:
http://www.relec.ch
German Customers:
http://www.alinea-computer.de (Email For Details)
French Customers:
http://amiga.amedia-computer.com/index.php/catalogue/infos/2/6/AM_PACKNEMO1
So...what you are saying for the price of one Amiga computer, I can get:
1 x Amiga computer = 6 x Playstation 4
or
1 x Amiga computer = 7 x PC computers
or
1 x Amiga computer = 13 x Playstation 3
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1 x Amiga computer = 5 x xBox One
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1 x Amiga computer = 4 x PC notepad running Windows 8 or Windows 7
or
1 x Amiga computer = 5 x iPad air
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1 x Amiga computer = 2 x MacBook Pro
and it is on sale? OH! That is an excellent deal...I am in!! :P
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Geeze, somebody's quick with the snark! Playstations... XBox's... iPads... IMHO most of those items you listed are junk, I'd rather the Amiga, myself.
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Agreed. Get that stick out your arse and buy the x1000 :quickdraw:
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@AmigaClassicRule
Does anyone of them you listed run AmigaOS 4? ;)
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You could also buy 1x a4000 with 060 and PPC, GFX card....
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Wow for that price, I could build a really great PC and Amiga Forever, then Install Amiga Forever and have the same thing as an Amiga One X1000 but only faster.
Don't like game consoles and think they are a waste of money. Right now on my 8 core AMD I can play Amiga games with AF, Linux games with Linux, NES games with the NES emulator, CD32 games with AF
and best of all this computer only cost me about $600 to build with a 24 inch led monitor.
Come on Amiga Merchants, we are talking top of the line everything PC's for that price with available software, you have to bite the bullet somewhere and sell at a lower price to get a user base, then you have to get magazine's interested to help with the sales and proof that you are moving along, and then how about software, yes even Commodore as stupid as they where, developed software for the VIC-20, C64, C128 and then the Amiga until sales caught on, software developers started developing, and Electronic Farts started copy protecting their programs which led to the demise of the Amiga when hard drives came out and no one could utilize their hard drives for games.
How much is 2,038 Euro's in American Money? Maybe I shouldn't ask because I would probably laugh myself to death. Your Specs and software do not meet with today's computing criteria.
Yes there are startup costs but you have to figure that out, hoping for X sales, to absorb the cost of the MFG. and engineering costs and you can't make it to high because this will actually have people looking at it and laughing because it is not a top of the line computer, and has very little software, and if I was to ask can you play:
Far Cry 2
Far Cry 3
Fallout 3
Fallout New Vegas,
Doom 3
and I can go on.
For your price what are you offering me to purchase it, money if very tight these days, we need some reviews by professional Mags to see what they think, the first one would probably be PC computing, then Maximum PC (these guys really like new stuff and give very fair evaluations).
Just saying, you are asking the price of a used car, so I have to kick the tires some
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The price isn't the most ridiculous thing here. It is the fact that you are buying hardware that most probably Amiga OS4.1 will never fully support. And then, let's talk about the software...
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(1) What alternate history are you living in, dude? How did copy protected software "lead to the demise of the Amiga"? Seems more like it was the other way around. Pirated software led to more people buying Amiga's because they "could just get copies of games from their buddies", but this led to reduced number of software developers. Wasn't any money in it when piracy was running rampant. Most people didn't even have hard drives back in the late '80s. Although had there been more hard drive installable software more people might've bought them. It was a catch-22.
(2) Put "convert 2038 EUR into USD" into google.
(3) Couldn't care less about any of those games.
Although sending a demo X1000 to somewhere like Maximum PC might be a good idea! :)
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(1) What alternate history are you living in, dude? How did copy protected software "lead to the demise of the Amiga"? Seems more like it was the other way around. Pirated software led to more people buying Amiga's because they "could just get copies of games from their buddies", but this led to reduced number of software developers. Wasn't any money in it when piracy was running rampant. Most people didn't even have hard drives back in the late '80s. Although had there been more hard drive installable software more people might've bought them. It was a catch-22.
(2) Put "convert 2038 EUR into USD" into google.
(3) Couldn't care less about any of those games.
Although sending a demo X1000 to somewhere like Maximum PC might be a good idea! :)
@Oldsmobile Mike,
back when the Amiga first came out we were using OS 1.0, Electronic Farts came out with Skyfox, Arctic Fox and a couple of others that were really good games, well we all wanted to support Amiga and bought these games, back then believe it or not we didn't even think about pirating Amiga Software because we knew it was a new machine and needed all the support we could give it. Then advancements came to the OS and OS 1.1 came out, and a lot of the stuff we bought no longer worked with our Amiga's not only that but we all wrote letters to Electronic Farts and asked for cures, no reply, no support. Hard drives then hit the scene, and we all went out to buy them, I purchased a Supra scsi card and it was a joy to use, little bit expensive, like if I remember right $495 also bought a memory card $495, and a hard drive $$300. So I and my friends just about bought the same things for our Amiga 1000, now everybody had software starting to come out and it was copy protected, so here we had all this expensive stuff but no way to put it on hard drives, so what happened next, we all went to pirating and cracking to see if we could get the software on hard drives. Now you have to remember this was pretty early in the Amiga history line, I mean for the sake of Amiga we couldn't even put on Dpaint, it was copy protected and this was a rather expensive piece of software. So at least in my area we wanted to go copy free, we all took a pledge if it was copy protected we would do our best to crack it and distribute it, if it wasn't copy protected you had to buy it. This lasted about a year, then it went back to old C64 days.
BTW our club cracked a lot of CP software, so now you know how at least I believe that copy protected software ruined the Amiga.
I still follow that rule, even on PC stuff, but most all PC software is hard drive installable so my cracking tools are still in the closet, probably really outdated though.
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I'm sorry, I just don't believe this "piracy killed the Amiga" myth.
Piracy existed, sure it did. But the vast majority of it was conducted by schoolkids who couldn't afford the games new, but still wanted to play them. Net effect on sales was nil. They wouldn't have bought the game even if there was no other way to play it than to buy the original.
I know this because I was a schoolkid back then and saw a lot of games being passed around and copied. When we were all a bit older and had jobs, some of us (like me) bought loads of original boxed games.
The only effect uncopyable software would have had would have been to reduce the Amiga hardware sales dramatically. And the Amiga would have died a lot quicker.
No, what killed the Amiga (as a games machine) was the arrival of better rivals, with better games. The playstation just blew away everything. And you know, you could chip that and play copies, but nobody ever says piracy killed the playstation.
Even look today, where piracy is relatively difficult. You have games priced at £45+ selling a million copies in a couple of days. There are (and were) plenty people buying games to support the software industry. If that industry moves on and your hardware is left behind, then that is the major reason for your market collapsing, not piracy.
On topic, I hope many more people buy and are pleased with their X1000s. Thanks again Trevor.
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The price isn't the most ridiculous thing here. It is the fact that you are buying hardware that most probably Amiga OS4.1 will never fully support. And then, let's talk about the software...
Does the lack of a networking driver bug everyone else this much?
Now the "sale" price of over $2600...
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Poor people should calculate price to their hobbyes. ;)
Nobody has a hobby wich would require 6 ps4 gameconsoles, ipads or whatever.
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Does the lack of a networking driver bug everyone else this much?
When I saw an X1000 the guy just plugged it in to the router and turned it on. Although I admit it did feel a bit weird browsing the web on an Amiga, LOL. It's been a long time. ;) Is there something I missed about their networking not working?
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Is there something I missed about their networking not working?
Ummmmm, yeah, A Lot!!!:juggler:
P.S. Plz don't ask for a link 'cause there's too damn many of 'em and I don't wanna read 'em again!
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LOL, okay! :mickeymouse:
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When I saw an X1000 the guy just plugged it in to the router and turned it on. Although I admit it did feel a bit weird browsing the web on an Amiga, LOL. It's been a long time. ;) Is there something I missed about their networking not working?
The driver for the on-board ethernet still hasn't been released yet. So, all A1-X1000s come with a PCI networking card, and that card works just fine (as you saw yourself). It was announced at AmiWest that the driver for the on-board ethernet was in testing.
IIRC, one person in particular was incensed that the on-board ethernet driver wasn't released shortly after AmiWest. That's probably the big fuss that you missed.
Hans
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£2.038 (plus £13 p&p) for a low specced machine is a joke and I've personally seen better computers thrown away at a tip.
I thought I would log in to see how times changed but still the remaining Amiga shops are doing what they do best (way over charging for items like its the nineties).
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I think everybody agrees that the X1000 is expensive. Even then ones that allready bought one!
Considering the development cost per unit for such a small number of boards combines with the cost of the rather "excenntric" CPU the price is not insane. High but not insane.
The Cyrrus board will be cheaper and more powerfull (at least they say) but as long as you are talking series of max a couple of thousand boards the price will be very high compared to normal PC and also most MAC's.
The only thing that can change that are two things.
An investor villing to invest in a niche platform mostly populated by middleaged men who long for the platform of thier childhood (I am one of them :-)). Not going to happend I am affraid.
Us middleaged men with money to spare buy more boards and get the price per unit down. The though but realistic way.
There is no such thing is a free lunch :-) one of the drawbacks of having a excentric hoppy is the price. Lets stop complaining it will not change anything and will onlye sour the mood and the scene.
I for one is saving up for a Cyrrus board.
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it will not change anything and will onlye sour the mood and the scene.
Very true. I've jumped in on X1000 threads while I'm not even interested in the AOS4 platform in the first place. Don't know why.
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As I understand it the price of the Cyrrus boards will be not much different (cheaper) compared to X1000. The price will not come down as long as it is not produced in bigger volumes and I cannot imagine that this will happen because it is risky for A-eon. More propably they will produce small batches as it happened with X1000 but this does not make the cost/unit lower. And a volume of thousands for such a expensive device? Trevor should have paid for a port to f.e. ARM or develop a cheaper and better system that attracts more users. New overprized computers make no sense to me. And for which market are the new Cyrrus-Boards? Most AmigaOS-fans who have the money and were willing to spend have already bought one. Perhaps some will replace the X1000 with the new Cyrrus and some will buy it additionally but how many are that?
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The Cyrus' CPU is much cheaper....
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As I understand it the price of the Cyrrus boards will be not much different (cheaper) compared to X1000. The price will not come down as long as it is not produced in bigger volumes and I cannot imagine that this will happen because it is risky for A-eon. More propably they will produce small batches as it happened with X1000 but this does not make the cost/unit lower. And a volume of thousands for such a expensive device? Trevor should have paid for a port to f.e. ARM or develop a cheaper and better system that attracts more users. New overprized computers make no sense to me. And for which market are the new Cyrrus-Boards? Most AmigaOS-fans who have the money and were willing to spend have already bought one. Perhaps some will replace the X1000 with the new Cyrrus and some will buy it additionally but how many are that?
What ARM chips were available in 2009 for them to build a board around and it would still result in an expensive custom board and it might cost more to add things like PCIe which I suspect isn't common on the ARM platform today let alone in 2009. Would those 2009 ARM chips still be readily available today and at what price? Would it even be faster than a Sam460?
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What ARM chips were available in 2009 for them to build a board around and it would still result in an expensive custom board and it might cost more to add things like PCIe which I suspect isn't common on the ARM platform today let alone in 2009. Would those 2009 ARM chips still be readily available today and at what price? Would it even be faster than a Sam460?
I do not talk about X1000 and 2009. I did understand to a certain degree that Trevor wanted to create the X1000 as fastest possible AmigaOS system. But I do not understand why creating another expensive successor.
But at the end it is only hobby :-)
Happy new year 2014 to all
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If someone is happy splashing money on the Amiga (and I don't mean the users), whey not spend some of it to create some good quality, original, commercial software? What is the point of buying a new Amiga system if you end up using Linux ports?
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But at the end it is only hobby :-)
So true :-)
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The Cyrus' CPU is much cheaper....
No, actually its still pretty expensive, the PA6T just costs more.
You don't see a cheaper e5500 cored cpu until you get to the 1.4GHz T1 cpus (like the two core T1022 or four core T1042).
And I doubt the Cyrus will be significantly cheaper.
Look to Acube for new designs that feature lower cost, more modest performing cpus.
You want cheap?
Buy a G5 Mac - like mine (and then of course you'll need another OS).
And I completely support Trevor and a-eon's enterprise.
You can't stay in business without charging a price that covers costs.
Another alternative (for lower cost), waiting until MorphOS has a 64bit branch on a more common ISA.
Or you could look for a used Samantha or Pegasos board (the other AmigaOnes, being a little flaky, I'd avoid).
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X1000 is sure expensive, there is no logical reason to buy one. But I think that is stupid / unmature say it is idiotic to buy one or something else offensive. I don't see any reason to compare it to any other computer, as it is a hobby machine. Amiga OS4 is hobby OS and every other amigish OS is also, some more that other and some different way than others.
I could have much more stupid hobby, like buying old cars or furnitures :) They would require more money and wich is most important, more room.
I could buy one, but I woun't at least not before there is full driver support to it. My nerves wouldn't stand to waiting.
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@Moderation:
The threadtitle is "AmigaONE X1000 Sale Ends 2nd January 2014", but it must be 7th January.
(look first post)
Thanks.
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there is no logical reason to buy one.
Humans aren't all that logical, so who cares?
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Humans aren't all that logical, so who cares?
That explains why, with a 2.3 GHz G5 Mac next to me, I still want an X2000 (or whatever it is called).
It probably will offer no performance, reliability, or expansion advantages - certainly no economic advantage (and I couldn't care less about OS4), so a big illogical WTF?! runs through my mind (and I still want one).
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a big illogical WTF?! runs through my mind
For me it's simple: If I want it and can afford it, then I buy it :)
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See I see things this way... The reason they can deliver SO VERY LITTLE
for so INCREDIBLY HIGH PRICES is simple :
Because they can.
All the cool aid drinking cult members will pay any price they set, for any level of performance (or should we say total lack of performance)
Whats left of amiga fans should simply boycott anyone making 10 year old spec hardware for more than todays modern pc prices, or selling them a 3,000$ computer with two cores and years later only one core works...
Or years later still not delivering the drivers for that computer...
If everyone just said no to the substandard level of performance, lack of drivers and lack of software,then the hyperion people may be forced to make sensible choices, like porting to arm or x86 off the shelf hardware.
AMIGAOS4 will die because of GREED pure GREED. They have Amigaos4 locked down to uber expensive 10 year old spec hardware for a reason, and thats money and greed. If huge amiga fans can't jusifty the expense or afford the cost of ownership, any hope of any kind of a future or growing the user base is completely gone, and they know it.
All they can hope to do is rape the remaining amiga fans for as much money as possible while delivering as little as possible as far as value and performance goes.
Its allright though, there is alternatives...
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AMIGAOS4 will die because of GREED pure GREED.
This comment implies that you think there is a significant margin made on every sale of the X1000 which is very far from reality. The margin is wafer thin. The price reflects the significant manufacturing cost of the machine in small numbers.
Moving to ARM or x86 and producing bespoke boards around them will not significantly reduce the motherboard price because the bulk of the cost is the NRE: non recoverable engineering and design costs which we are talking a 5 digit sum of money.
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I'm pretty sure they could find a volunteer or two or five to port it to arm or x86 or do it through a bounty system, costing them zero.
If they ported to x86, someone would just need to write drivers for very common pci net and sound cards, and a few good graphics chipsets as was done with aros... Then any x86 with appropriate add on cards could run it. Zero engineering costs other than the initial port and writing some drivers for common
add in net, sound cards and video cards.
Anyhow never going to happen, so I'm happy there is AROS.
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I still think the biggest problem for Amiga OS4 on whatever board it runs on (as well as MorphOS) is the software. I've had a Sam (and own a Mac Mini/MOS machine) for a short period of time. It is ton of fun setting things up, downloading software, organizing things and all that. But once the dust has settled there isn't much to do, mostly due to the lack of decent software. I guess if you are a developer you will get the kicks from coding your own stuff, but in the end, as a user, although using an Amiga OS machine is fun, it is an end in itself.
Where is the software? You know, things that make computers productive? And I don't mean ports of open source software which I can already download (and run many times better) on my PC. I am talking about new, original software that would make an Amiga experience a complete one. Things like DTP, office, music, web etc... (yes, commercial).
To conclude, I think that there are the Amiga hardware companies out there are concentrating too much on making hardware while not investing anything in software.
Just my 2 cents.
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I think you miss the point. We have 2013 and there is plenty affordable and good hardware at every corner. It makes no sense to produce custom hardware today as long as it not offers advantages compared to what is available. I understand that you like f.e. X1000 because you can earn money in opposite to MorphOS running on used Macs or AROS running on standard hardware but it still makes no sense if you want to create a market again for amiga software.
What Haywire propably means (saying it a little hard with "greed") is meaning Hyperion is not changing its strategy as long as they think they can make money with the community, only if people would not only moan about it but making it clear that they will not buy new PPC hardware and accept certain things like paying extra for drivers the companies involved would rethink their strategy. Of course rethinking could also mean dropping.
I make the prediction that MorphOS will change hardware in future (I do not know of course if 2014 already), propably to X64. So AmigaOS will finally left behind. I do not think if it is a good strategy to perhaps react if it is too late for a change. But on the other side it would be a really continuation of the past :-).
BTW happy new year
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I still think the biggest problem for Amiga OS4 on whatever board it runs on (as well as MorphOS) is the software. I've had a Sam (and own a Mac Mini/MOS machine) for a short period of time. It is ton of fun setting things up, downloading software, organizing things and all that. But once the dust has settled there isn't much to do, mostly due to the lack of decent software. I guess if you are a developer you will get the kicks from coding your own stuff, but in the end, as a user, although using an Amiga OS machine is fun, it is an end in itself.
Where is the software? You know, things that make computers productive? And I don't mean ports of open source software which I can already download (and run many times better) on my PC. I am talking about new, original software that would make an Amiga experience a complete one. Things like DTP, office, music, web etc... (yes, commercial).
To conclude, I think that there are the Amiga hardware companies out there are concentrating too much on making hardware while not investing anything in software.
Just my 2 cents.
For commercial development you need a market (big number of users) and to win new users you need a OS that offers advantages (or at least makes people curious) and you need cheap hardware. For example Aeros on Raspberry now slowly comes to a state where it is interesting for Raspberry users (including new software like Magellan and the new OWB hopefully soon). If you force people to buy new expensive hardware without having any advantages compared to what they already use it will not work. The same is forcing people to buy used old hardware to test it. Cheap options and at best offering the chance to use it on existing hardware is the way to go. If there would be at least demo-versions that would run on X86 (perhaps as blackbox) the chances would be higher. At the moment it is a pure retro thing for the few interested.
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....but it still makes no sense if you want to create a market again for amiga software.
What I think most people miss, is that it would take a massive coordinated investment for an alternative OS to gain any kind of market these days. A modern example would be ChromeOS. Even with Google's large pot of gold behind it (and a forward thinking radical concept), it's only just starting to gain some market share. Another example is Windows, MS is having to sink $$$ into it just to try and stop the bleeding.
If AmigaOS/MorphOS were ported to x86 and given away free as an new year's gift they would still remain an extremely niche hobby OS.
Everything is going cloud-based and controlled via touch screens (or something even more radical), the OS itself is moving to the background with the Apps taking center stage.
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I'm pretty sure they could find a volunteer or two or five to port it to arm or x86 or do it through a bounty system, costing them zero.
If they ported to x86, someone would just need to write drivers for very common pci net and sound cards, and a few good graphics chipsets as was done with aros... Then any x86 with appropriate add on cards could run it. Zero engineering costs other than the initial port and writing some drivers for common
add in net, sound cards and video cards.
Anyhow never going to happen, so I'm happy there is AROS.
Just stop, Please. x86/arm is not a possible nor viable. You simply don't know what you are taking about. "zero angineering costs" :D
It is perfectly possible to manufacture cheap (30-50€) PPC mobo, it would just require big quantity like 10-20 000 boards. Typical life cycle of x86 mobo is short, typically they run just one batch of them.
Luckily you can choose Aros to your hobby OS.
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What I think most people miss, is that it would take a massive coordinated investment for an alternative OS to gain any kind of market these days. A modern example would be ChromeOS. Even with Google's large pot of gold behind it (and a forward thinking radical concept), it's only just starting to gain some market share. Another example is Windows, MS is having to sink $$$ into it just to try and stop the bleeding.
If AmigaOS/MorphOS were ported to x86 and given away free as an new year's gift they would still remain an extremely niche hobby OS.
Everything is going cloud-based and controlled via touch screens (or something even more radical), the OS itself is moving to the background with the Apps taking center stage.
It depends on how you define "market" here. For me "market" means big enough to justify commercial development (means you can live by selling). That is far lower than trying to compete with mass markets like Windows or mobile area. If AROS f.e. could become a interesting option on Raspberry this would propably already multiply the number of users and thus making it interesting for f.e. game developers. It would be far off from Windows (or Mac, Linux...) still.
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AMIGAOS4 will die because of GREED pure GREED. They have Amigaos4 locked down to uber expensive 10 year old spec hardware for a reason, and thats money and greed. If huge amiga fans can't jusifty the expense or afford the cost of ownership, any hope of any kind of a future or growing the user base is completely gone, and they know it.
All they can hope to do is rape the remaining amiga fans for as much money as possible while delivering as little as possible as far as value and performance goes.
AmigaOS4 was deliberately tied to expensive hardware from the start but it came around and bit them on the arse multiple times over the years but they still never learned from it before it was to late.............So after chasing everyone else (especially potential developers) away they're left with is the microscopic "we will pay any price" crowd.
Over two thousand pounds for that computer in 2014 is clearly making someone a nice profit and of course amigakit will deny it but its obvious a good profit maker and credit to him for cashing in.
Its allright though, there is alternatives...
I bought Amiga Forever 2013 for a fiver and now that was well worth the money.
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Just stop, Please. x86/arm is not a possible nor viable. You simply don't know what you are taking about. "zero angineering costs" :D
It is perfectly possible to manufacture cheap (30-50€) PPC mobo, it would just require big quantity like 10-20 000 boards. Typical life cycle of x86 mobo is short, typically they run just one batch of them.
Luckily you can choose Aros to your hobby OS.
Yes who will do the run and take the financial risk for such a large PPC batch?
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What I think most people miss, is that it would take a massive coordinated investment for an alternative OS to gain any kind of market these days. A modern example would be ChromeOS. Even with Google's large pot of gold behind it (and a forward thinking radical concept), it's only just starting to gain some market share. Another example is Windows, MS is having to sink $$$ into it just to try and stop the bleeding.
If AmigaOS/MorphOS were ported to x86 and given away free as an new year's gift they would still remain an extremely niche hobby OS.
Everything is going cloud-based and controlled via touch screens (or something even more radical), the OS itself is moving to the background with the Apps taking center stage.
cloud? You mean "NSA"-certified? :D
What we need in future is a new desktop for tablets. I do not see iPhones (or similar) replacing desktops.
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Yes who will do the run and take the financial risk for such a large PPC batch?
That is good question and exactly my point :)
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Over two thousand pounds for that computer in 2014 is clearly making someone a nice profit and of course amigakit will deny it but its obvious a good profit
How can AmigaKit be making a massive profit when the costs of producing and distributing them are so high?
AmigaKit make very little out of the x1000. The Cpu and taxes alone account for most of the price tag.
Say what you like about whether you like their strategy or not, but saying they're making a massive profit is doing them a big injustice and moreover entirely wrong.
I really wish they did make a massive profit though. I really wish anyone at all could make a massive profit from the Amiga market.
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I have nothing against the hardware or development, in fact I'd love to have a play with it. I'm also happy to embrace new things, especially with an Amiga connection.
However, with the best will in the world I do find the price a stopping point. It would need to be very special for me to shell out 2 grand. Just my honest opinion.
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How can AmigaKit be making a massive profit when the costs of producing and distributing them are so high?
AmigaKit make very little out of the x1000. The Cpu and taxes alone account for most of the price tag.
Say what you like about whether you like their strategy or not, but saying they're making a massive profit is doing them a big injustice and moreover entirely wrong.
I really wish they did make a massive profit though. I really wish anyone at all could make a massive profit from the Amiga market.
Propably not. I assume that Varisys makes the most profit from it. Nice little extra business for them propably (and for Hyperion).
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Propably not. I assume that Varisys makes the most profit from it. Nice little extra business for them propably (and for Hyperion).
Did Trevor said that he actually pays every X1000 he sell? So no profit? Was it in Trevor's blog?
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Did Trevor said that he actually pays every X1000 he sell? So no profit? Was it in Trevor's blog?
he makes certainly some profit. But most is certainly for Varisys. But we will never know. Anyway too expensive. But as I already wrote... its a hobby. So if people really need it and can afford to buy they shall buy it. It is not interesting to me personally.
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he makes certainly some profit. But most is certainly for Varisys. But we will never know. Anyway too expensive. But as I already wrote... its a hobby. So if people really need it and can afford to buy they shall buy it. It is not interesting to me personally.
You are right :)
Do not ever criticize another person's hobby or costs of it.
My friend has a hobby, he bought a several old and ugly Opel cars and has spend tens of thousands to them. Amount of room, time and money they require it is impossible to understand. But I would ever say that he is an idiot or that he could had bought better car with better performance with that money.