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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: vox on December 23, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
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Hi Trevor its about time you to contact me. I am willing to be good and drop serioous lawsuit in exchange for free entering the Cyrus beta programme.
For BigBook I would do both X1000 and Cyrus on AEON section, DJ Nick could do the sam board but Acube and AEON should supply board pics or do it too ...
Oh also dear AmigaKit has just recently delivered all paid good and Xorro card with no software (even AmigaOS box and manuals have been prepaid months ago) and have also glued modules in such a wrong manner that its not possible to expand it ... Looking forward for other Amiga Shops
Steven - please TW, and ethernet drivers, for how long it will be beta?
I needed PCI slot for real Sound Blaster 5.1. My net depends on that beta driver, send it to I, as well as written license that you will send me OS 4.2 once its done. In other aspects product is defunct.
Also, is there a easier way to install Fedora 20 PPC?
Sadly, even I have additionally paid 3 support ticket and have never been called or skyped during all the days. I wish I have purchased just the board instead of what has AmigaKit put in (%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ty DVD. overexpensive but high latency RAM, slow DVD, Hitachi or so HDD) - without ANY asking for choice and MONTHS of building the system.
If I didn‚t wish a future for Amiga, it would be better that I have bought mac pro then software half done experiment that seems not to be supported by AmigaOS team dictator that has violated my rights too by ceasing acess to update files and AmigaKit REFUSED to help.
Cyrus or lawsuit your choice.
Nuff said.
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Sounds like a lot of :furious: .. dude, I have no clue what you're saying, sorry :)
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There is something seriously wrong with you. I knew that there is no full driver support for X1000 and Sam 460, thats why I didn't bought them. I bought Sam 440ep Flex instead wich has a decent driver support. Are you seriously saying that you didn't knew that?????
Language that you use is also problematic, but you don't probably understand it.
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If Trevor was a dick he might just inform serbian police on this case of blackmail.
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Give it a rest man.
Please don't polute this forum with stuff like that.
Oh and BTW, if you do decide to sue, good luck with that.
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I am baffled as to how this has anything to do with Trevor.
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Vox, I can understand your frustration, but blackmailing Trevor like this is definitely not the way to go. It's never going to get the desired result and if you did sue, the only person who would win would be the lawyers.
Make the most of the X1000 you have - it's a great machine, and the best OS4 machine there is at the moment. It's well known that not all the drivers are out of beta yet (such as the ethernet) but this sort of agressiveness will just slow things down even further.
Whatever your grievances, a public forum is not the place to do it - especially when you're openly blackmailing one of the people held in the highest regard in the whole community.
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about time someone set down the foot end say enough is enough.... do the lawsuit vox.
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You were warned repeatedly not to buy the X1000 by several people on several forums but you still went ahead and crippled yourself with debt to get one anyway.
Don't expect any sympathy from anyone here, you should have got a Mac and bought a MorphOS licence or just downloaded AROS and used your existing PC.
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What is this garbage? I understand the words you have written... are in English... but I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say?
If I understand correctly, you bought an X1000 and are unhappy with it? I think the old saying "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" applies here. Try approaching the situation in more positive manner and maybe you'll have a more desired response?
I swear, most the Amiga community is nothing but a bunch of grumpy old men who have nothing better to do than b**** and complain all the time. :angry:
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about time someone set down the foot end say enough is enough.... do the lawsuit vox.
Don't encourage his delusions, he got what he paid for so there isn't a court in any land that would side with him.
It's not like he was sold broken hardware like the idiots that fell for the Eyetech scam.
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"the words you have written... are in English... but I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say..."
seconded
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Mr. Vox, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Sell X1000, buy something that is better supported and cheaper or a very fast classic machine.
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Also please take your Meds and lay off the booze so we can understand
you..
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What, no "pancakes"? ;)
Seriously, if you have a case, then either go ahead instead of just talking, or don't do anything and shut up then as well. In either case, don't talk about it, until afterwards perhaps. A poll like this is strange, you will never get any sympathies for something lile this, especially not against A-eon, Hyperion, etc. They simply can't do anything wrong, hence they can't be blamed for anything, and anyone even suggesting otherwise will be lynched like a child molestor.
Look, cut your losses, sell the X1000 (if possible), and get a MorphOS system...
:)
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sell that junk and buy a system that is supported thru MorphOS.
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Always nice to see posts from the swedish sarcasm king.
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Vox, maybe you could be more proactive in fixing your issues instead of retailiating. Maybe you could start a bounty or something similiar like the one on the home page for Odyssey Web Browser. I don't think using black mail is going to help you much here.
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Whatever your grievances, a public forum is not the place to do it - especially when you're openly blackmailing one of the people held in the highest regard in the whole community.
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sell that junk and buy a system that is supported thru MorphOS.
Is probably a good few hundred X1000 users out there and so far only tiny minority have expressed that they aren't happy with their purchase. As I understand A-Eon is responsible for driver development, anyone who knows anything at all about Trevor will be damn certain that he is putting every effort into supporting the X1000 now and future.
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wow... really confusing, not sure what to make of all this. :/
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I see... an early Christmas present.
Where is the receipt so I can return it the day after Christmas!
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What's this Big Book stuff? There hasn't been Amiga branded hardware that runs AmigaOS produced this century...
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What's this Big Book stuff? There hasn't been Amiga branded hardware that runs AmigaOS produced this century...
Pointlessly divisive comment.
Frankly I'm glad that I could care less about branding.
Unless you are deluded enough to think 68K Amigas are going to make a miraculous comeback from the dead, legacy hardware compatibility is a non issue.
These computers AmigaOne branded or whatever, deserve more respect then they get from the fan (atical) base.
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This weird stuff is why I never ended up submitting all the pics and such on my OS4 machines, lol. Good luck with your cause.
If you bought an X1000 or any next gen Amiga system instead of a Mac Pro, welp - not sure what to tell you. Two different sports there entirely.
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sell that junk and buy a system that is supported thru MorphOS.
I'd agree in this case, especially as iirc all the features VOX was demanding (full MUI 4, better 3D drivers, system drivers, modern web browser, more regular OS updates and a port of ambient) are already all present and complete in MorphOS, and he wouldn't have had to saddle himself with a huge debt he cannot afford by getting a Mac Mini G4. I'm with the majority, if you want these features now and are crippling yourself with debt, sell the X1000 (you could probably get back 90% of what you paid for it if you sell up before the X2000 comes along) and spend £100 on a mini with a MorphOS licence.
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and a port of ambient
Really? That's the list of his demands? And a port of Ambient? Ambient *is* MorphOS. I don't think I could possibly facepalm any harder at this point. :smack:
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Really? That's the list of his demands? And a port of Ambient? Ambient *is* MorphOS. I don't think I could possibly facepalm any harder at this point. :smack:
Mui 4 and Ambient were both mentioned in his original amigans.net rant yes. Honestly, at that point it just makes more sense to use MorphOS, I agree.
http://www.amigans.net/modules/xforum/viewtopic.php?post_id=83421#forumpost83421
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Vox, that Powermac G5 with MorphOS 3.2 is still for sale, asking 150 Euros.
http://www.njuskalo.hr/macintosh/powermac-g5-2.0ghz-dualcore-oglas-8614473
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Vox, that Powermac G5 with MorphOS 3.2 is still for sale, asking 150 Euros.
http://www.njuskalo.hr/macintosh/powermac-g5-2.0ghz-dualcore-oglas-8614473
Amiga.org has quite few Amiga OS4 users, because historical reasons.
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Vox, that Powermac G5 with MorphOS 3.2 is still for sale, asking 150 Euros.
http://www.njuskalo.hr/macintosh/powermac-g5-2.0ghz-dualcore-oglas-8614473
Nice price.
With or without an OS key?
Funny, this whole discussion of the merits of one option vs the other parallels a long discussion I had with David Morris.
And while I now own a G5, I would still consider an X2000 or a SAM460 (at least if MorphOS were an option).
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Nice price.
With or without an OS key?
I would have to call to confirm either way, but probably without the key... still, pretty good price compared to what he paid for X1000 and got in return.
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This is turning into another X1000 bashing...
To a degree people do have the right to be annoyed. The X1000 is not marketed as the beta X1000 computer.
As for driver support, it is a insult to all X1000 customers that there is talk of the X2000 when the X1000 is still a work in progress.
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Nice price.
With or without an OS key?
Funny, this whole discussion of the merits of one option vs the other parallels a long discussion I had with David Morris.
And while I now own a G5, I would still consider an X2000 or a SAM460 (at least if MorphOS were an option).
I can't remember, but does the CPU variety in the X2000 series of boards have Altivec?
If so and it was possible to buy one without the Hyperion tax and
MorphOS was ported to it then I'd consider one myself if the price was right.
ARIX support would seal the deal. :)
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I can't remember, but does the CPU variety in the X2000 series of boards have Altivec?
If so and it was possible to buy one without the Hyperion tax and
MorphOS was ported to it then I'd consider one myself if the price was right.
ARIX support would seal the deal. :)
There is no Altivec in either P3041 or P5020/5040 chips...
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This is turning into another X1000 bashing...
To a degree people do have the right to be annoyed. The X1000 is not marketed as the beta X1000 computer.
As for driver support, it is a insult to all X1000 customers that there is talk of the X2000 when the X1000 is still a work in progress.
That last comment seems rather bizarre.
Frankly, rather than an insult, I'd consider it a sign of success.
And at least I could never be considered one to bash this platform.
Certainly the rate at which Hyperion develops drivers is pathetic, but that is not A-eon's fault.
Trevor has even give cash to Hyperion's contracted developers for 3Ddriver development (which still has not produced results).
Rather than consider bashing A-eon and its well designed product, I would just like to take the moment to point out how much more successful this might be with the right OS.
And that OS does not carry the Amiga name.
That legacy does seem cursed, as all legitimate development after Amiga has received less support than would seem appropriate.
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What I find somewhat bizarre and funny is that VOX is so unhappy with the alpha/beta status of X1000 software, that he wants to sue... yet, he doesn't seem to mind going thru all that beta-testing chaos again with Cyrus :D
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There is no Altivec in either P3041 or P5020/5040 chips...
Thanks, that means it's off my Xmas list then.
No Altivec in this day and age is ridiculous.
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@Nicholas AFAIK there is not that many programs that support the altivec.
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Thanks, that means it's off my Xmas list then.
No Altivec in this day and age is ridiculous.
Freescale has announced that an improved set of AltiVec instructions will be reintroduced to later revisions of the e5500 core (as well as other Qorlq products).
That being said, Trevor has decided to move forward before these products are introduced.
While I disagree that they are not commonly used (MorphOS will use them when present), their abscence is not a game changer for me.
The processors in question still have a good floating point unit.
And later revisions of these processors should be compatible with Trevor's new designs.
You have to remember that the processors used in Acube's boards don't support AltiVec either and can still run operating systems like MorphOS (which still have specific requirements for the math processing unit).
Frankly, I would have prefered an e6500 cored processor, but the rev. 2 silicon for that will not be available until this fall and will then top out at 1.8 GHz (as opposed to the 2.2 GHz Trevor is aimming for).
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@Nicholas AFAIK there is not that many programs that support the altivec.
On MorphOS Altivec is
automatically used if present, programs don't have to explicitly use it.
AFAIK anyway.
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@Jim,
If the newer CPUs are at some point used in the future that would make the X2000 more desirable.
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@Jim,
If the newer CPUs are at some point used in the future that would make the X2000 more desirable.
Yeah, IF they weren't soldering CPUs on the board... so you can't replace them easily.
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@Nicolas, is MorphOS going to be available on the x1000 and x2000?
If not, then does it matter that mos can use the altivec.
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Programs need to be compiled for Altivec whatever the OS. It's different code to non-Altivec. The only exception is where Altivec is used in shared libraries, but that's rare.
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Don't encourage his delusions, he got what he paid for so there isn't a court in any land that would side with him.
It's not like he was sold broken hardware like the idiots that fell for the Eyetech scam.
I have asked for full refund. And I might inform UK and EU chamber on how they sell defective products with no support (defective on software side). Trevor has done nothing to help me in months.
I am not mad, I am looking for solution before going to court.
And I do love and support AOS4 but betta go SAM460 with MOS or Peg2. X1000 is kind of abandoned by Cyrus now, which is very unfair (see Stevens respons to my small demands)
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@Nicolas, is MorphOS going to be available on the x1000 and x2000?
If not, then does it matter that mos can use the altivec.
You'd have to ask A-EON.
I just stated the minimum requirements that need to be met for me to buy an X2000. Altivec and MorphOS.
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What I find somewhat bizarre and funny is that VOX is so unhappy with the alpha/beta status of X1000 software, that he wants to sue... yet, he doesn't seem to mind going thru all that beta-testing chaos again with Cyrus :D
Now I ask for full refund including import taxes. Great leader from Canada has told me they have left X1000 behind and focus on Cyrus. So yes, its exactly what Nemo lacks - CPU power and its much visible under modern Linux.
What I find Bizzare is that you are still around iako si toliko voleo glupe Amere, nazalost ni Evropljani se nisu bolje pokazali.
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Programs need to be compiled for Altivec whatever the OS. It's different code to non-Altivec. The only exception is where Altivec is used in shared libraries, but that's rare.
That's the Amiga way, use shared libraries that use different code paths depending on what hardware features are available. MorphOS carries on that tradition, it's a shame if OS4 doesn't.
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Now I ask for full refund including import taxes. Great leader from Canada has told me they have left X1000 behind and focus on Cyrus. So yes, its exactly what Nemo lacks - CPU power and its much visible under modern Linux.
What I find Bizzare is that you are still around iako si toliko voleo glupe Amere, nazalost ni Evropljani se nisu bolje pokazali.
You were warned what to expect and as predicted your experience is well below par. It's your own fault.
I fail to see how Europeans being only slightly less stupid than Yanks has anything to do with why I come here either.
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Programs need to be compiled for Altivec whatever the OS. It's different code to non-Altivec. The only exception is where Altivec is used in shared libraries, but that's rare.
I believe it is rarely used in OS4 but Altivec could be used to accelerate graphics and sound functionality in the system, for example.
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I have asked for full refund. And I might inform UK and EU chamber on how they sell defective products with no support (defective on software side). Trevor has done nothing to help me in months.
I am not mad, I am looking for solution before going to court.
And I do love and support AOS4 but betta go SAM460 with MOS or Peg2. X1000 is kind of abandoned by Cyrus now, which is very unfair (see Stevens respons to my small demands)
Going to the court costs money and you never know outcome. Just sell your x1000 and buy PowerMac. They don't need you, you don't need them.
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Now I ask for full refund including import taxes. Great leader from Canada has told me they have left X1000 behind and focus on Cyrus. So yes, its exactly what Nemo lacks - CPU power and its much visible under modern Linux.
What I find Bizzare is that you are still around iako si toliko voleo glupe Amere, nazalost ni Evropljani se nisu bolje pokazali.
You are not thinking straight...
you want to return X1000 and buy SAM460... another not fully supported OS4 machine? And on top of that, it's even slower than X1000 under Linux(not to mention, even less supported).
You should buy a Peg 2 or even better a PowerMac G4/G5. And use the change to buy a nice classic machine or a used SAM440 if you really must use OS4.
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yes buy old and used hardware, that is the way forward :/
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yes buy old and used hardware, that is the way forward :/
I thought users are our customers...
Besides, according to your signature you are using 20 years old hardware...
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Yeah, IF they weren't soldering CPUs on the board... so you can't replace them easily.
Yes, it will not be possible to upgrade, PPC are (and have been) BGA packages.
You would need a carrier board (like Apple) or card (like bPlan).
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yes buy old and used hardware, that is the way forward :/
At 2.3 GHz I'd say my G5 is ahead of the X1000.
"Besides, according to your signature you are using 20 years old hardware..."
Now there is an observation. ;)
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Any court would immediately throw out the "it doesn't work on the software side" because it runs Linux perfectly well.
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Any court would immediately throw out the "it doesn't work on the software side" because it runs Linux perfectly well.
Yeah, but it was marketed as the new coming of Amiga OS4, not PPC Linux :biglaugh:
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A judge wouldn't care about that though. It runs software so it's not faulty hardware.
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A judge wouldn't care about that though. It runs software so it's not faulty hardware.
Point, score, match...it is not a hardware issue.
And Vox, sorry, but to quote Monty Python "You're a loony!"
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Yeah, but it was marketed as the new coming of Amiga OS4, not PPC Linux :biglaugh:
OS4.1 works as advertised on the hardware he received and he knew in advance that certain PCI cards would be provided to provide the advertised functionality.
The Amiga
community seems to be full of dimwits who lack basic common sense it seems.
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Vox you are prat aren't you?
I would like to see you try sue them through the courts, I think you will find that you will have a very LARGE bill to pay when you LOSE. Ha ha ha ha.
I think you might be paying the debt off for the rest of your life
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Vox you are prat aren't you?
I would like to see you try sue them through the courts, I think you will find that you will have a very LARGE bill to pay when you LOSE. Ha ha ha ha.
I think you might be paying the debt off for the rest of your life
Nah they wont pass EU and UK courts. But I went to peace and love and will just wait for full refund and go for SAM460 sys with MOS and OS 4.1 and buy OS 4.2 once its really done. SAM460 and X1000 are left behind by Steven.
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OS4.1 works as advertised on the hardware he received and he knew in advance that certain PCI cards would be provided to provide the advertised functionality.
The Amiga
community seems to be full of dimwits who lack basic common sense it seems.
Nah, check Moo, its Steven that has explained me that x1000 IS LEFT BEHIND. I will not buy Cyrus since Trevor refused to mediated, and I have -100 grade for AmigaKit PAID support (3 support).
Once in all vox goes Acube and MOS too, once its done.
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Point, score, match...it is not a hardware issue.
And Vox, sorry, but to quote Monty Python "You're a loony!"
and Steven does the silly walk ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8
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A judge wouldn't care about that though. It runs software so it's not faulty hardware.
Well to all faults in building the sys, not giving passwords, delays, trouble in further support, disabling users to download software updates ... long lits there. There is nothing wrong with X1000, but blame Canada
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOR38552MJA
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Are we discussing Steven Solie?
Because he is not an A-eon employee.
And I will be buying an A2000, as everyone I know with an X1000 (outside of you) is satisfied.
Further, I look forward to a new system based on a processor that is still supported and being developed.
Finally, I discarded the idea of purchasing a SAM460 awhile ago (and why would you want 4.2 for that as it is a single core processor). Acube uses under powered PPCs from Applied Micro.
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Finally, I discarded the idea of purchasing a SAM460 awhile ago (and why would you want 4.2 for that as it is a single core processor). Acube uses under powered PPCs from Applied Micro.
4.2 will bring 3D acceleration for the newer generation of Radeon cards. Probably far more important to most users than any multi-core support.
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4.2 will bring 3D acceleration for the newer generation of Radeon cards. Probably far more important to most users than any multi-core support.
You are an optimist.
Personally, I question whether what you get will actually be SMP or some variety of ASMP.
And since the video card driver we supposed to be a seperate package (from 4.2), good luck with that.
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MUI 4 and Ambient on the list of wanted OS4 features?
Aside from the obvious (and already stated multiple times above) I and I am surprised he didn't demand a port of the reggae framework ;)
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4.2 will bring 3D acceleration for the newer generation of Radeon cards. Probably far more important to most users than any multi-core support.
Bookmark this post.
MorphOS will have hardware accelerated 3D on Radeon HD cards before OS4 does.
This was a public service
announcement by the Predictions Based Upon Historical Observations Unit
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MUI 4 and Ambient on the list of wanted OS4 features?
Aside from the obvious (and already stated multiple times above) I and I am surprised he didn't demand a port of the reggae framework ;)
Bazinga! :)
Edit: Though to be fair to Vox, Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will "get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has".
We just have to be "patient" apparently.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1748#p20204
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MUI4 for AOS4 via AmiUpdate just released apparently. :)
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Bazinga! :)
Edit: Though to be fair to Vox, Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will "get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has".
We just have to be "patient" apparently.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1748#p20204
To be honest, I don't give f*ck what MorphOS has before or later, simply not a interested. I don't see why always MorphOS users want to bash other people hobby, that is most important single factor to me to not interest that OS. It is like many MorphOS hobyists have some kind of small dick syndrom?
MUI4 is released today.
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To be honest, I don't give f*ck what MorphOS has before or later, simply not a interested. I don't see why always MorphOS users want to bash other people hobby, that is most important single factor to me to not interest that OS. It is like many MorphOS hobyists have some kind of small dick syndrom?
MUI4 is released today.
We aren't copying your OS' features.
Further, we have MUI4, whatever you have is being called MUI4.
That does not mean they are similar or compatible as our package is now updated by our developers, not the creator of the Magic User Interface.
Also, we're not the hostile ones making "dick" comparisons.
We were here before you.
We have a better OS.
That does invalidate OS4, but our developers are more numerous and more talented.
And we aren't the party that accused the other of stealing, even though our OS predates yours.
Overall, considering you've been offered some of our software, I think we are being the more mature party here.
Oh, and btw, I'm not interested in he size of your penis, my wife says I know how to use mine.
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Nah, check Moo, its Steven that has explained me that x1000 IS LEFT BEHIND.
I think that you misunderstood him.
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@thread
come on, guys. let's not let this thread degenerate into a discussion about schlongs. ;-)
-- eliyahu
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I think that you misunderstood him.
Probably Hans,
Sorry about the bow shot at OS4.
I actually could see using it.
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@thread
come on, guys. let's not let this thread degenerate into a discussion about schlongs. ;-)
-- eliyahu
Was I the only one that thought that was a little "queer"?
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Was I the only one that thought that was a little "queer"?
That is common way to queers to see queers everywhere.
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To be honest, I don't give f*ck what MorphOS has before or later, simply not a interested. I don't see why always MorphOS users want to bash other people hobby, that is most important single factor to me to not interest that OS. It is like many MorphOS hobyists have some kind of small dick syndrom?
MUI4 is released today.
In 6ft 2in with British size 12 feet and I use OS4.
Deduce what you will from that little boy.
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MUI4 for AOS4 via AmiUpdate just released apparently. :)
More Newspeak from Herr SSolie again eh?
I can't wait for Morph OS4 myself. :lol:
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We aren't copying your OS' features.
Whole MorphOS thing is copying from AmigaOS
Further, we have MUI4, whatever you have is being called MUI4.
That does not mean they are similar or compatible as our package is now updated by our developers, not the creator of the Magic User Interface.
So, your MUI4 is made by yours developers, not a actual MUI developer?
Also, we're not the hostile ones making "dick" comparisons.
No I didn't made any comparisons, I pointet out that you have many MOrphOS users has some kind of mental degradation, where they wan't to compare their OS to actual Amiga OS
We were here before you.
We have a better OS.
That does invalidate OS4, but our developers are more numerous and more talented.
Still same song :(
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In 6ft 2in with British size 12 feet and I use OS4.
Deduce what you will from that little boy.
I'm 6ft 4in and i don't see how that relates to penii size : /
Anyway nich i thought you owned an x1000?
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Was I the only one that thought that was a little "queer"?
Nope. Sh1t, that musr make me "queer" too.
Now it all makes sense..... Shut that door!
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Nope. Sh1t, that musr make me "queer" too.
Now it all makes sense..... Shut that door!
Thanks Nik.
This nitwit, utri007, was starting to get under my skin, I think I was loosing sense of humor.
And allowing myself to be baited by an OS4 user, what the heck?
Sorry utri007, you're on the ignore list.
Some of my best friends use OS4, but you're not one of them, and most of them have the sense to have a MorphOS system as well.
There is no point in bickering, your vendor screwed up the chance for us all to be using the same OS (the better of the two at that).
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I'm 6ft 4in and i don't see how that relates to penii size : /
Anyway nich i thought you owned an x1000?
Damned if I know either Kesa, but then I'm getting too old to care.
Time to kick back and regain my sense of humor.
Oh, and David is the one with the X1000.
Sounds nice.
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Bazinga! :)
Edit: Though to be fair to Vox, Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will "get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has".
We just have to be "patient" apparently.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1748#p20204
This is hilarious, considering that MUI4 for OS4 has released today. This nitwit also claimed that Steve Solie is liar, without using actual word.
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I thought users are our customers...
Besides, according to your signature you are using 20 years old hardware...
Ahh yes, you got me there. Except I never claimed that an A1200/060 was the way forward.
The amiga I use mostly is a SAM440.
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I don't see why always MorphOS users want to bash other people hobby, that is most important single factor to me to not interest that OS.
That is actually the biggest reason, why I don't have any morphos machines, and the fact that I don't want old macs.
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Bazinga! :)
Edit: Though to be fair to Vox, Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will "get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has".
We just have to be "patient" apparently.
http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1748#p20204
Just got to say that you timed that one really badly.
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Just got to say that you timed that one really badly.
Perhaps for Christmas.?
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Just got to say that you timed that one really badly.
Why?
Is this "MUI4" for OS4 the "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" that SSolie promised?
Please compile Ambient with no source changes whatsoever before answering that though.
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Why?
Is this "MUI4" for OS4 the "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" that SSolie promised?
Please compile Ambient with no source changes whatsoever before answering that though.
Is os4 mui 4 required to be identical or are ssolie being interpeted based on what we think vs what he planned in the first place? I guess any inconsistency in the OS implimentation makes him a liar. Lose-lose situation regardless.
A bit puzzled over this morphos vs os4 slapfest.
Each to their own. Kinda like when i had the c64. Still enjoyed civil discussions with amstrad and spectrum owners.
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Why?
Is this "MUI4" for OS4 the "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" that SSolie promised?
Please compile Ambient with no source changes whatsoever before answering that though.
Do you mean that this to be true "Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" OS4 would require Ambient port first?
Hardest part is "falsely claimed", very strongly hints that Steve Solie is liar. But that is just typigal Amiga.org Hyperion bashing, wich is always allowed.
Another example, do you know from who Nicholas?
It seems to me they (and certain contractors of theirs) only take from the community.
wonder wht he means, maybe this Hyperion doesn't even pay the OS4 developers so there is sod all chance they will give money to a MorphOS developer.
he wants that Hyperion pays devs like MorphOS team pays? Of course he knows what Hyperion pays to OS4 devs and not trying to bash Hyperion and OS4. Or Maybe he tries to hint that Hyperion has earned millions with OS4 sales?
I remember when X1000 was announced, here was a thread where some people stated that Trevor is just going to steal preorder moneys. Do you happen to remember who they were?
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg)
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg)
Yes, AROS and MorphOS are based on the 3.1 API, but what is your point?
Even OS4 does not derive much from 3.5 or 3.9.
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Ahh yes, you got me there. Except I never claimed that an A1200/060 was the way forward.
The amiga I use mostly is a SAM440.
But SAM440 is discontinued too. Why don't you upgrade to x2000 or SAM460? ;-)
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Do you mean that this to be true "Steven Solie did falsely claimed OS4 will get MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" OS4 would require Ambient port first?
I don't think it (MUI4 in OS 4) is complete. It doesn't have to, though.
Hardest part is "falsely claimed", very strongly hints that Steve Solie is liar. But that is just typigal Amiga.org Hyperion bashing, wich is always allowed.
You can always go elsewhere. You didn't pay for this service.
I remember when X1000 was announced, here was a thread where some people stated that Trevor is just going to steal preorder moneys. Do you happen to remember who they were?
I remember it was you.
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Just got to say that you timed that one really badly.
Not really because MUI4 in OS4 can't be the same what MorphOS currently has. It is always left little behind because Hyperion must wait new MorphOS SDK is released in order to implement changes to their development tree. It is not important though.
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(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/AmigaOS_3_and_clones.svg)
IMHO, that picture is somewhat misguiding, in more than one way.
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IMHO, that picture is somewhat misguiding, in more than one way.
AROS should be drawn to same level with OS4 and MorphOS. AROS is not discontinued and AROS is not only sharing source code to/from MorphOS but also to/from OS 4.
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Not really because MUI4 in OS4 can't be the same what MorphOS currently has. It is always left little behind because Hyperion must wait new MorphOS SDK is released in order to implement changes to their development tree. It is not important though.
Do you know if Stefan Stuntz was actually paid for this, or gave his blessing to it anyway? I knew they had permission to ship MUI 3 with OS4, but doing something like this is different. I'm asking because other OS4 developers are left unpaid and Hyperion has historically shown to have a special view on their rights regarding other peoples IP.
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Do you know if Stefan Stuntz was actually paid for this, or gave his blessing to it anyway? I knew they had permission to ship MUI 3 with OS4, but doing something like this is different. I'm asking because other OS4 developers are left unpaid and Hyperion has historically shown to have a special view on their rights regarding other peoples IP.
I don't speak for Stefan and don't know his dealings (I never ask him because it is none of my business). AFAIK he is not involved but he gets paid by Hyperion due to license agreement.
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That is actually the biggest reason, why I don't have any morphos machines, and the fact that I don't want old macs.
Very sorry some MOS users turned you away from a very nice system. I never used AOS 4.x so it may be just as nice as MOS. I can say that the newest 3.4 and latest release of owb have transformed my powerbook into a fast and modern feeling OS.
As many kudos that I give the MOS Team for the OS, I give kudos to Trevor and BBRV for making new hardware, and AROS and AOS 4.x for making OS's,
I would love 'One Banner' for us to rally behind, but time will tell if that will be.
If you every have questions concerning MOS or wish to try it, my limited knowledge and assistance is at your disposal.
Merry Christmas to You and Yours!
Matt
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Very sorry some MOS users turned you away from a very nice system. I never used AOS 4.x so it may be just as nice as MOS. I can say that the newest 3.4 and latest release of owb have transformed my powerbook into a fast and modern feeling OS.
As many kudos that I give the MOS Team for the OS, I give kudos to Trevor and BBRV for making new hardware, and AROS and AOS 4.x for making OS's,
I would love 'One Banner' for us to rally behind, but time will tell if that will be.
If you every have questions concerning MOS or wish to try it, my limited knowledge and assistance is at your disposal.
Merry Christmas to You and Yours!
Matt
Well said Matt.
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I would love 'One Banner' for us to rally behind, but time will tell if that will be.
Matt
If there is, it will be A-eon, not Hyperion or MorphOS.
The OS' are very similar (thanks to MUI, now even more so).
Obviously, I have my bias, although I tend to think of it a a well thought out informed opinion.
But that does not prevent me from supporting Trevor, A-eon, and Varisys.
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AROS should be drawn to same level with OS4 and MorphOS. AROS is not discontinued and AROS is not only sharing source code to/from MorphOS but also to/from OS 4.
And OS3.5/OS3.9 also had AROS code used and some parts of OS3.5/OS3.9 API are supported by AROS.
Staf.
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Certainly the rate at which Hyperion develops drivers is pathetic, but that is not A-eon's fault.
Trevor has even give cash to Hyperion's contracted developers for 3Ddriver development (which still has not produced results).
Well what sort of contract does A-eon have when it comes to Hyperion?
Surely, any professional business would have clauses that would require Hyperion to meet their deadline? Perhaps A-eon's should stop making excuses and start fighting for those who have invested in the X1000 so they can have a fully non-beta machine!
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Well what sort of contract does A-eon have when it comes to Hyperion?
Surely, any professional business would have clauses that would require Hyperion to meet their deadline? Perhaps A-eon's should stop making excuses and start fighting for those who have invested in the X1000 so they can have a fully non-beta machine!
Since they included cards to cover the devices without drivers, I'd consider that sufficient.
Should they do the same with the X2000, I won't be one of those complaining.
What advantages do the on board parts offer?
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Well what sort of contract does A-eon have when it comes to Hyperion?
Surely, any professional business would have clauses that would require Hyperion to meet their deadline? Perhaps A-eon's should stop making excuses and start fighting for those who have invested in the X1000 so they can have a fully non-beta machine!
Not meeting socalled "deadlines" isnt unheard of. Both Valve and Blizzard for example got the "its released when its done" mantra down to a science.
Considering the amount of manpower they got compared to Hyperion, I dont think its suprising
development pace is slow on AOS4. A fact that wasnt/isnt much of a secret for anyone frequenting both this and other Amiga related forums.
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But it gets done.
How much longer for the SharkPPC?
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I don't speak for Stefan and don't know his dealings (I never ask him because it is none of my business). AFAIK he is not involved but he gets paid by Hyperion due to license agreement.
Why I ask is because back when Stefan Stuntz developed MUI4, he posted some progress reports where he said that he rewrote and improved the internals of MUI conciderably. But if I understands this OS4 thingy correct (what you and others say), it's still MUI3 but with some new third party written classes that resembles MUI4 based on info from the MorphOS SDK? Hyperion paid(?) for being allowed to bundle MUI3 (not MUI4?) with their OS, and then try to create a MUI4 API on their own, and then *call* it "MUI4"?
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Why I ask is because back when Stefan Stuntz developed MUI4, he posted some progress reports where he said that he rewrote and improved the internals of MUI conciderably. But if I understands this OS4 thingy correct (what you and others say), it's still MUI3 but with some new third party written classes that resembles MUI4 based on info from the MorphOS SDK? Hyperion paid(?) for being allowed to bundle MUI3 (not MUI4?) with their OS, and then try to create a MUI4 API on their own, and then *call* it "MUI4"?
Seriously?
Stefan Stuntz is still around, isn't he?
How can they get away with that if they aren't patching it at runtime?
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I don't know. The deal is between Hyperion and Stefan Stuntzi. Personally I don't find it wrong call it MUI 4 even if it is not "our" MUI 4.
In the end it makes sense. Odyssey is using number of new MUI classes and to port Odyssey to other platforms it is easier if they are available rather than add workarounds to Odyssey core. It can also mean that finally those N* classes could be dropped and multiplatform programs like Yam could finally use new APIs.
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So basically, they are calling it MUI4, but their license is for MUI3, and they are patching it to have code compatibility with our version.
And we copied stuff?
Hey, I'm all for it, but the attitudes need to stop.
There is no real proof Bill McEwen even really owned OS3.1 (and its fairly certain he didn't own 3.5 or 3.9).
But lets accept that as a given.
All our developers did was create an OS following the published 3.1 API specs.
Now, apparently the "real" AmigaOS community wants a chunk of our OS.
Why not just ask?
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So basically, they are calling it MUI4, but their license is for MUI3, and they are patching it to have code compatibility with our version.
Still making claims without any knowledge. :( I would understand if you were asking it, but what you do is just stupid. You should understand that TakeMeHomeGrandma is not a reliable source and by the way he did not claim that, he asked it. IF Hyperion don't have a rights to MUI4, you would heard that, if they do it their own with permission from Stefan it is their business, not yours.
Makin claims like you and Nicholas like to do is just idiotic.
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Is os4 mui 4 required to be identical or are ssolie being interpeted based on what we think vs what he planned in the first place? I guess any inconsistency in the OS implimentation makes him a liar. Lose-lose situation regardless.
SSolie promised "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" except this "MUI4" isn't actually what he claims it to be.
If he were honest and said "We will be enhancing MUI3.9 with our own reimplementations of MUI4 classes from MorphOS to facilitate easier porting of MorphOS software to OS4" then he would have more credibility.
See here for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
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SSolie promised "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" except this "MUI4" isn't actually what he claims it to be.
If he were honest and said "We will be enhancing MUI3.9 with our own reimplementations of MUI4 classes from MorphOS to facilitate easier porting of MorphOS software to OS4" then he would have more credibility.
See here for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
Thanks Nik.
I just surprised that these guys are this transparent with this.
Stuntz hasn't been involved in our MUI4 for quite awhile.
And there is nothing wrong with them re-implementing classes used by our version of MUI.
But it would be nice to hear Stefan's opinions on all this, as all we will get out of the AOS community is bluster.
And they ARE obviously copying from us.
Of course, I LIKE the idea of enhanced compatibility.
Even if this willingness to work together only seems to work one way.
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@ utri007
I wrote this on MZ and copy/pasting it here:
guruman wrote:
Our MUI4 (I'd say, to avoid confusion, the only MUI4) is version 4.2, copyrighted 2012 by Stefan Stunz. Their is 4.0, copyrighted 2006 Stefan Stunz.
The only public stable (non-beta) version of MUI that existed back in 2006 was MUI 3. A few (2?) public betas of MUI 4 was released after that over a few years before it formally arived in MorphOS 2.0 in mid-2008.
That the info screen of the OS4 "MUI4" says:
(C) 1992-2006 Stefan Stuntz
(C) 2006-2013 Thore Böckelmann, Jens Maus
...means that this is *NOT* the MUI4 that Stefan Stuntz spent a few years developing post 2006, it's something else, developed by some others. And to confirm this, itix heard (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38546&forum=14&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#725000) from an OS4 beta tester that this is something Hyperion built themselves on top of the MUI3.9 they bundle with OS4.
I'd also say that the internals of MUI4, which were completely and heavily rewritten, are completely different for this release.
Of course, they are simply not there, since the internals in OS4 "MUI4" is MUI3.9!
As far as I can tell, these are most of the functionalities of MUI4 needed for Odyssey and MPlayer built on top of MUI 3.9.
Indeed, that seems exactly how this is. It's MUI 3.9 with selected custom written third party classes added, and a "MUI4" sticker slapped on. A "bastard fork", that will (as itix says (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=755307&postcount=101)) always be a little left behind because Hyperion must wait new MorphOS SDK to be released in order to implement changes to their development tree.
Feel free to correct any errors, but please do it by bringing new info to the table, and not by some pointless "TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info"...
:)
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Feel free to correct any errors, but please do it by bringing new info to the table, and not by some pointless "TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info"...
:)
Thank you old friend.
We may frequently differ, but that was well phrased.
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SSolie promised "MUI 4, like MorphOS already has" except this "MUI4" isn't actually what he claims it to be.
If he were honest and said "We will be enhancing MUI3.9 with our own reimplementations of MUI4 classes from MorphOS to facilitate easier porting of MorphOS software to OS4" then he would have more credibility.
See here for more details: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak
I fully agree.
I think it's inderstandable if they want to implement a framework to make it easier to port and maintain modern MUI apps like Odyssey and mplayer etc, but there is more to MUI4 than the those classes. AFAIK, MUI4 meant big rewrites of the MUI internals, it was developed by Stefan Stuntz from 2006 and onwards. IMHO it's a bit unfortunate to call something "MUI4" if it would indeed be "MUI3.9 with a select set of new classes". That would he confusing.
If not outright misleading.
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@vox
Back to the original topic ...
IMHO ... If you are not satisfied with your X1000, then you should sell it and find something else.
There are many choices available.
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redfox
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It's not like he was sold broken hardware like the idiots that fell for the Eyetech scam.
What scam was that? I have an Eyetech A1/XE. It's worked fine for the past ten years and is still working today. The only problem I have are drives and cables playing up. The A1 itself works fine. :-?
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What scam was that? I have an Eyetech A1/XE. It's worked fine for the past ten years and is still working today. The only problem I have are drives and cables playing up. The A1 itself works fine. :-?
Not exactly Eyetechs fault.
It shares the same flaw as the Pegasos 1, a dodgy Northbridge that was released with some serious issues.
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Not exactly Eyetechs fault.
It shares the same flaw as the Pegasos 1, a dodgy Northbridge that was released with some serious issues.
I belive that he owns a system and doesn't like to be called "idiot" as your friend Nicholas just did.
Seems that Itix source was not that reliable, or at least quite much internal MUI funtions has rewrited to work as MUI4 does, but more like it is based old MUI4 sources. Wich means that not just classes has intergrated to it.
But hey, those idiots who like to call people idiots, liars, thiefs etc. doesn't earn that much attention.
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I fully agree.
I think it's inderstandable if they want to implement a framework to make it easier to port and maintain modern MUI apps like Odyssey and mplayer etc, but there is more to MUI4 than the those classes. AFAIK, MUI4 meant big rewrites of the MUI internals, it was developed by Stefan Stuntz from 2006 and onwards. IMHO it's a bit unfortunate to call something "MUI4" if it would indeed be "MUI3.9 with a select set of new classes". That would he confusing.
If not outright misleading.
Is the release an improvement over the old version?
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MUI 4 and Ambient on the list of wanted OS4 features?
Aside from the obvious (and already stated multiple times above) I and I am surprised he didn't demand a port of the reggae framework ;)
I and I are I and you in unity with God, or I wid Jah pon me side.
Surely, I will use reggae. No need to beg Steven and hear anymore lame excuses. If there is lack of manpower, AEON should fund it. We can hell donate if they know how and who. They just take projects and leave em half finished :hammer: unlike reggae :afro:
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@vox
Back to the original topic ...
IMHO ... If you are not satisfied with your X1000, then you should sell it and find something else.
There are many choices available.
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redfox
No I have right to be refunded. 1 year return to base warranty. See X1000 Quickstart guide.
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Without reading quickstart guide (and no intent in doing it):
You have a 1 year return warranty in case of the product failing.
Did your X1000 break ? Doesn't seem to be so
Did OS4 fail to work in the scop that it was supposed to work when you bought the X1000 ? Hmm, everybody pretty much knew it was unfinished and progressing at a snail's pace back than, so good luck trying to proove that.
Is OS4 even part of what is warrantied by AEON ? Doubtfull
Also such a refund would only happen AFTER you returned the X1000, not include any shipping cost and be reduced for the time you allready used the product.
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Without reading quickstart guide (and no intent in doing it):
You have a 1 year return warranty in case of the product failing.
Did your X1000 break ? Doesn't seem to be so
Did OS4 fail to work in the scop that it was supposed to work when you bought the X1000 ? Hmm, everybody pretty much knew it was unfinished and progressing at a snail's pace back than, so good luck trying to proove that.
Is OS4 even part of what is warrantied by AEON ? Doubtfull
Also such a refund would only happen AFTER you returned the X1000, not include any shipping cost and be reduced for the time you allready used the product.
Babylon!
I ll swap with fancy DJ Nick, and he ll do some work for I.
Seen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSLTEIqbwh4
Dis one inna Yugoslav by Yugoslav
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDDo0l5pt_M
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The whole A-Eon's business model is stuffed. You cannot charge a premium for incomplete products and then wonder why people complain. So what if the hardware is great if the drivers are still in beta. What A-Eon needs to learn in future is not to release products prematurely and to provide them complete (hardware and driver wise). If that means that you have to limit hardware advancements at the expense of delivering proper drivers - so be it!
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But some people like the idea of buying into a product that is still in beta or alpha and be a part of its development. There's a trend at the moment with video games called "early access" where people pay full price for a game still in development and the consumers know exactly what they are getting into. So i wouldn't say their business model is screwed - i would say it's good for what it does.
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The X1000 is a fully usable computer, the only beta drivers are not a problem because they provide add-in cards instead until the Beta drivers are complete.
3 production runs wouldn't happen on a broken business model. I only know of one person (Vox) unhappy with his x1000 out of over a hundred, and his reasoning is to do with os4, not the hardware.
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Don't forget that the profit generated would probably have been needed by Trevor to develop the X1000 and other projects he is doing. I like to think of it as a kind of Kickstarter project with people helping the funding of the projects development as it is being developed.
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Since when is being profitable enough to stay in business a sin?
And I doubt Trevor has recovered his development costs.
Designing and producing a motherboard is a highly complex endeavor.
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Since when is being profitable enough to stay in business a sin?
And I doubt Trevor has recovered his development costs.
Designing and producing a motherboard is a highly complex endeavor.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38544&forum=33&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6-ov8SruM
Yes, I under same banner I wanted to help Trevor and I did my best.
Its Hyperion why InI decide to swap. And AmigaKit.
Sorry dudes, no court, good ways ... but they deserve at least public shame :angel:
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Feel free to correct any errors, but please do it by bringing new info to the table, and not by some pointless "TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info"...
TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info (http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9339&post_id=107667&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1)
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TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info (http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9339&post_id=107667&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1)
Big rAspect to THM!
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38544&forum=33&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0
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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=38544&forum=33&start=100&viewmode=flat&order=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op6-ov8SruM
Yes, I under same banner I wanted to help Trevor and I did my best.
Its Hyperion why InI decide to swap. And AmigaKit.
Sorry dudes, no court, good ways ... but they deserve at least public shame :angel:
I too have some issues with Hyperion.
When I purchase an A2000, it won't be to run OS4.
And, TakeMeHomeGrandma IS a reliable source of info.
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@ utri007
I wrote this on MZ and copy/pasting it here:
Feel free to correct any errors, but please do it by bringing new info to the table, and not by some pointless "TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info"...
:)
It seems that this was full of errors, what is current situation? And could you please admit that you are speculating?
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How the hell is anyone supposed to vote on a poll with no "Pancakes" option? This is total insanity!
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@ cgutjahr, utri007
TakeMeHomeGrandma isn't a reliable source of info (http://www.morphzone.info/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?forum=3&topic_id=9339&post_id=107667&viewmode=flat&sortorder=0&showonepost=1)
It seems that this was full of errors, what is current situation? And could you please admit that you are speculating?
Please read what I wrote once again before bringing out the tar and feathers, and pay attention to the context and points in timeline. It was all reasonable arguments based on the limited sources of info that existed, and not a statement that this would be solid facts, I asked you (or anyone else) to provide more/better info on the matter. And the fact is that the info on this is *still* very limited. And actually, it still seems it isn't *the* MUI4, it seems that *it is* an independent fork (as long as it isn't based on MorphOS sources), an "OS4-MUI4" which level of original compatibility is still unknown (although higher than first expected, and probably good enough for Odyssey porting, etc). Or do you want to bet *your* names to be "reliable sources of info" stating the opposite as *facts* (and not speculations, as you do now - speculating - but in "the other direction")?
If you release something like this, without *any kind* of formal communication on the matter, you create an information vacuum that is destined to nurture speculations. IMHO this was a deliberate move from the OS4 team lead. Either as a way to create headlines for their feature, or as a way to gloat and laugh at the resulting speculations they *knew* would follow. Just like you do now. It's like MorphOS and AROS suddenly would be released as "Amiga OS" (for the sake of discussion, registered trade marks aside), since they have OS 3.1 API compatibility and mimicked/re-implemented functionality, but still being a forked product from what was developed by the OS 3.1 authors. And with no further information communicated upon release, be sure that discussions and speculations would follow. You two would most certainly be "contributors" in that discussion.
Lack of communication has always been the Hyperion/OS4 way. I think it's deliberate. And this situation was no different.
The results is a given.
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I wouldn't back pedal too far grandma.
Outside of personal attacks and childish insults, the supporters haven't offered that much to support their assertions either.
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I wouldn't back pedal too far grandma.
Outside of personal attacks and childish insults, the supporters haven't offered that much to support their assertions either.
But it tehreeeeeel!!111!one! isn't a good enough logical counter argument anymore?
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A few other voices on the matter (that I happens to agree with or at least think has a point or a few) from elsewhere:
I'm almost certain that, three years from now, OS4 will make the jump onto old Macs and complete the mimicry. Well, they do say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
OS4 is an OS founded and developed on a series of huge mistakes, driven by fanboy ideology. The first blunder they made was cheating out Amiga Inc - whom they should never have gotten involved with in the first place. Then there was trying to base the OS on original source, meaning a double-cycle and very long winded development that lost them most of their users while they waited for the first release.
ReAction was a minor blunder - a gui toolkit that proved so tricky to put anything together with, that most people simply didn't bother. But we remember why they made it - "MUI is buggy, bloated crap". The irony.
To just survive, they've had to get around their constant blunders the hard way. MorphOS made none of these problems to maim itself, and therefore OS4 can only follow years behind, a pale shadow crippled by the same people who made it.
What's next, dropping P96 for CGX? NSD for TD64? PPC for x86?
> I find the news about Hyperion releasing
Hyperion isn't releasing anything. This is Jens and Thore, the MUI 'fanboys' amongst the OS4 developers.
It probably got released like this ('Xmas update'), because nothing else was available. Got to keep the potential X2000 customers happy.
> I won't even bother touching legality here, that is for the MorphOS team and
> Stefan Stuntz to decide.
Good thing you mentioned it then.
> On one hand I guess this is a good thing for OS4 users. This should open
> the door to easier ports of key MorphOS software such as OWB and Ambient.
Porting MUI3 was necessary because of backwards compatibility. Porting MUI4 - which is only required by one application so far - and releasing it this way is like publicly telling people your own GUI toolkit sucks. Which it doesn't, even if it still lacks a feature or two.
It's a bad move that should have never happened. But given the state of the project, they can't be too picky about what they offer as "updates":
Timberwolf dead? Gallium/SMP only existing in the heads of some wannabe leaders? The W3D drivers that Trevor had "hoped to have ready" for AmiWest 2012 still not released?
MUI4 at least gives the impression of progress.
> Considering OS4 is moving from Reaction to a newer MUI
It's not, Reaction is still 'actively' (cough) developed and still the official GUI system for OS4.
> Porting MUI3 was necessary because of backwards compatibility. Porting MUI4
> - which is only required by one application so far - and releasing it this
> way is like publicly telling people your own GUI toolkit sucks. Which it
> doesn't, even if it still lacks a feature or two.
Except it does. Every sane Amiga programmer knows ClassAct sucks compared to MUI (even compared to 3.8 MUI) and it only became the de-facto OS standard UI kit, because it was sort of available for the purpose, and Amiga Technologies and Haage und Partner couldn't make up a proper deal to include MUI as the default kit as it always should have been.
> MUI4 at least gives the impression of progress.
Releasing a random 2006 source snapshot + a random patch set of "MUI4" gives the impression of progress? If you say so... Actually, IIRC OWB up to version 1.19 was still working with MorphOS 1.4.5 and with some early 2007(?) MUI4/MorphOS beta stuntzi released back then. (Newer OWB doesn't work because it needs classes and libraries only present in MorphOS 3.0+.) Which means the "hard work to implement missing things" as they always praised it was nothing but a release of already existing functionality in the sources they got and hacked until it sort of worked on OS4. My best bet is they probably only released MUI4 because they were forced to, since they failed to backport some required stuff into their 3.9 line to make OWB 1.16 work...
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How the hell is anyone supposed to vote on a poll with no "Pancakes" option? This is total insanity!
True dat, my bad, mods can fix it, vote pon it.
Its also mandess I have been hurrased and SUSPENDED from AW.net
as Elite and Bronze member, seen ...
Published on Sep 28, 2012
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
Kazu da sam se odrodio i da vise ne znam sta je pravo
Kazu mi da sam odlepio i da od mene nista nece biti
Laju laju laju podli jezici
Lazi stizu lazi vec po navici
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
Mala glava uvek misli malo
I uvek misli da preko ima vise
Maloj glavi ni do cega nije stalo
Jer mala glava ne zna svoje korene
Mozes li ti da budes kao ja
Mozes li ti da vidis gde je nevera
Mozes li ti da se setis i da krenes
Mozes li ti da svima njima dreknes
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
To sto vama uvek jeste vazno pet para na to ne dajem
Za mene to je prazno i lazno ja se broju deset predajem
Deset deset kao u staroj knjizi sto ti prica o ljubavi i brizi
Deset deset kao zapovesti kada ce stvarno doci do tvoje svesti
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
Mozes li ti da budes kao ja
Mozes li ti da vidis gde je nevera
Mozes li ti da se setis i da krenes
Mozes li ti da svima njima dreknes
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
To sto vama uvek jeste vazno pet para na to ne dajem
Za mene to je prazno i lazno ja se broju deset predajem
Deset deset kao u staroj knjizi sto ti prica o ljubavi i brizi
Deset deset kao zapovesti kada ce stvarno doci do tvoje svesti
Refren:
Ja nikad necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
I stvarno necu nikad necu biti
Ja nikad necu biti kao vi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMAlq6zY86Y
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@Vox
Ti nikad necu biti Jamajke.
Now stop posting in Bosnian and faux-patois this is an English language forum which you are ruining for other members who can't understand half the crap you post.
Would you like it if I came to one of your Serbian language Amiga forums and did nothing but write in Farsi or Arabic and keep posting videos of Qur'an recitation or devotional song lyrics?
No you wouldn't, so please stop it with your insanity.
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@Vox
Ti nikad necu biti Jamajke.
Now stop posting in Bosnian and faux-patois this is an English language forum which you are ruining for other members who can't understand half the crap you post.
Would you like it if I came to one of your Serbian language Amiga forums and did nothing but write in Farsi or Arabic and keep posting videos of Qur'an recitation or devotional song lyrics?
No you wouldn't, so please stop it with your insanity.
A Rasta exist inna Serbia.
Try your combo. Yes, you can read it, or you can Google Translate, I do speak Serbo-Croatian, UK English (proficiency) and well enough Iyaric
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A Rasta exist inna Serbia.
Try your combo. Yes, you can read it, or you can Google Translate, I do speak Serbo-Croatian, UK English (proficiency) and well enough Iyaric
One more time; THIS IS AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE FORUM!
As for Bosanski, my wife and three of my kids are fluent in it. I have no need for Google Translate.
Now please only post in English from now on.
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One more time; THIS IS AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE FORUM!
As for Bosanski, my wife and three of my kids are fluent in it. I have no need for Google Translate.
Now please only post in English from now on.
Bosanski ? Another non existing language made up of serbian and croatian.
Anyway back on topic which in my opinion should be closed since the author is not going to sue. I think Vox should have know what he is buying and in what state the drivers are before giving out so much money.
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Bhuel, is é seo an Ghaeilge, conas ba mhaith leat chun iarracht seo a léamh?
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Bosanski ? Another non existing language made up of serbian and croatian.
Anyway back on topic which in my opinion should be closed since the author is not going to sue. I think Vox should have know what he is buying and in what state the drivers are before giving out so much money.
Serbo-Croat + Turkce + Arabic to be precise.
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One more time; THIS IS AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE FORUM!
As for Bosanski, my wife and three of my kids are fluent in it. I have no need for Google Translate.
Now please only post in English from now on.
Why? Zasto kada je i srpsko-hrvatski gotovo svetski heyik. Neka te uce deca, ako si zaboravio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J_k0swwyJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9HmjFll08
Don't you forget
Time passes fast
Time to regret
Time to stand up and fight
Strangle tyrant that bites
Slows our future
Manipulates our presence
Twisting our past
Time passes too fast
[Mire Defence]
This music is attractive
Makes you feel reflective
So join da' kolektiv
Defense now taking control
About this place
Of ya face I'm so tired
Your mind is on a messa'
So stand up and stay strong
Please be right and not all wrong
But please be yourself
And you'll never wait too long
Your chance is your future
Your friends and your culture
Your heritage is here man
You have no place for fear
Your chance is your future
Your friends and your culture
Your life is like the air
And the air is all around ya'
Destroy the triple head monster
Save ourselves from disaster
Now we need revolution
We'll take no fake solution
Rise Bosnians, rise
Politically right
Socially down
Stand up fight
Coz' everything's down
They still bite
You make no sound
Don't be quiet
Just get loud
When the force comes
Ready to attack
Step up the front
Don't step back
Can you overcome
Fear of gun-clack
Let's be one
Then you won't crack
Defense, defense, defense
Stand up against
Can you man replace the trace of blood chase
Disgrace of human kind was a case
Murder of the men shot in back, have to face
When the time comes you'll have to decide
Will you join the movement of people who rise
Or you'll step aside and swallow the lies
Prepare for change, be wise and realize
Boom
Each one of us must fight for our right
Must fight the dark so you can see the light
Now we even can't see it at the end of a tunnel
One foot in a grave and the other to follow
Is this land of the freedom
Or the land of the terror
Can't trick your people forever
[Mire Defence]
Defense now taking control
About this place
Of ya face I'm so tired
Your mind is on a messa'
So stand up and stay strong
Please be right and not all wrong
But please be yourself
And you'll never wait to long
Your chance is your future
Your friends and your culture
Your heritage is here man
You have no place for fear
Your chance is your future
Your friends and your culture
Your life is like the air
And the air is all around ya'
Destroy the triple head monster
Save ourselves from disaster
Now we need revolution
We'll take no fake solution
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Vozdra sa Vozda, Bgd, Jugoslavija
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofMWaPao61g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64gDIr3jQho
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Bosanski ? Another non existing language made up of serbian and croatian.
Anyway back on topic which in my opinion should be closed since the author is not going to sue. I think Vox should have know what he is buying and in what state the drivers are before giving out so much money.
For people that consider being Bosniaks. To me they are Slavic people of Muslim faith and do speak same language as me, just different dialect. To be exact now after Yugoslav break up I speak Croatian, Bosnian and Montenegrian as well without learning any :hammer:
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One more time; THIS IS AN ENGLISH LANGUAGE FORUM!
As for Bosanski, my wife and three of my kids are fluent in it. I have no need for Google Translate.
Now please only post in English from now on.
Is this treath on national and religious grounds?
@all
Now topic has just diverted, as it often happens.
Skrenulo bre malo u stranu bato!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSCMe7bti5g
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"Some unsupported Linux Monolith with no drive led. But I kinda like it enough, to be in debt for it" - Quaint.
Vague enough that one would have a hard time realizing you were referring to an X1000.
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@vox. Why do you have TMHG's avatar? I thought you were him until nic pointed it out. I can only assume this is your attempt at trolling. If so, can you stop it?
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@vox. Why do you have TMHG's avatar? I thought you were him until nic pointed it out. I can only assume this is your attempt at trolling. If so, can you stop it?
It is an odd avatar for an OS4 user.
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@vox. Why do you have TMHG's avatar? I thought you were him until nic pointed it out. I can only assume this is your attempt at trolling. If so, can you stop it?
Thanks Kesa.
I want my avatar back, vox!
Here is something for you instead: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d1/Ultravox_ultravox.jpg
:idea:
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@vox. Why do you have TMHG's avatar? I thought you were him until nic pointed it out. I can only assume this is your attempt at trolling. If so, can you stop it?
I almost thought that TMHG had flipped out.
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+1
There is only one TMHG :-)
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+1
There is only one TMHG :-)
Enough is enough, right?
:eek:
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Enough is enough, right?
:eek:
One too many, but we love you anyway.
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Maybe a moderator could close this thread.
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Hang on a minute. Why are we all getting along so well? :confused:
Usually by this point the moderators have to step in and do their thing. I guess this is what happens when the mods abandon us.
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Enough is enough, right?
:eek:
Its just the MOS butterfly you know I have been asking for MorphOS
fi SAM460 x1000 and have a Mzone account for some time ...
http://anticusa.wordpress.com/
http://anticusa.wordpress.com/2012/07/20/powerpc-batterfly-first-to-evolve-now-maybe-even-to-arm/
P.s. Please vote and check
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?forum=33&topic_id=38544&start=140#725263
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Maybe a moderator could close this thread.
If they could close AmigaKit, Hyperion and AmigaWorld.net too ... :destroy:
P.S. I give my elite AW.net ranks and bronze supporter as donation to Amiga.org or MorphZone.org
Also I exchange AmigaOS 4.0 Classic and AmigaOS 4.1 SAM 440 discs and reg num or betta in
exchange for some MorphOS supported games and apps from Vesalia.
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What for rubbish are you still going on about? This thread long-ago stopped being amusing. Why don't you just sell your darn X1000, already? I'd be glad to give you $50 for it! :whack:
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As you wish!
I'm traveling this weekend, so please behave. Thank you.