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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: giZmo350 on November 15, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
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They're killing the PC (http://www.zdnet.com/theyre-killing-the-pc-7000023265/)
I agree with the author 100%! Sending everyone, at least newer generations of users, to the cloud with a disposable device is the future, but it will come at a price of computing freedom, creativity, and privacy. Amigans have at their disposal pretty much any app to allow us to continue using a computer we love in a "sit down & relax" atmosphere to do real work. I also think it's important to continue to develop a browser that will allow us to surf the web on our beloved machines. The author depicts "desktop users" in the future as nothing more that a few hobbyists left in a changing world; we Amigans might just end up being the "majority of remaining desktop" users after all!
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I'm not sure...portable devices are still pieces of cr*p for a serious user. I consider those only as an extension of servers and workstation.
The home PC is dying yes but the business PC is still needed. I have trouble imagining myself designing plans in autocad on a tablet. What will occur instead is that the tablet will become the new PC but weMll still need to plug all theses babies on real mouse, keyboards and monitors.
All those engineers in sci-fi movies who design their stuff out of thin air on holographic tables and use "smartphone like" devices to control it make me laugh a lot.
Maybe I sound like an old fart but the tech world does not move as fast as some people claim. There is still a lot of tube TV out there and people who don't give a damn about smartphones.
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Um, I don't actually see this happening.
In fact, there appears to be a real swell in interest in older legacy hardware.
But there it is in print, so it must be true, eh?
After all its Ziff Davis and they know something about obsolete technology (say how are those magazine sales holding up guys?)
Don't worry, Amiga users won't be alone.
There will be clusters of our hobbyists all over the globe playing around with and even building new desktops for years to come.
And why not?
You're not going to hack an appliance.
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Yes, desktops will always be required to create the apps, games, and the like that run on portable devices. Though with society being overtly and covertly dumbed down, both unwillingly, but primarily willingly (through entertainment, propaganda, and other means of distraction), more and more people, especially the young and oldest generations will flock towards portable devices and the desktop will probably become more of an "order on-line" affair as opposed to "drop to nearly any local retail store and pick up a unit" affair.
It will be like the original Wii... there will be great games to be had, but all the local stores will carry will be the made for children and old folks selection instead.
That's my prophetic vision anyhow. As for privacy, yup we'll keep giving up piece by piece by piece, and still we'll remain ignorant of the fact that the threat lies not across shores, or in a cave somewhere, but right in our own back yards, in D.C. in the white house, commerce, the banking structure, and so forth.
Hurray for progress!!!
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You can't kill something that's already dead.
(http://www.netanimations.net/Animated-Zombie-Reverse.gif)
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Well.. being partially native blood and very sad because of it...
I can FULLY relate to that comment! :)
You can't kill something that's already dead.
(http://www.netanimations.net/Animated-Zombie-Reverse.gif)
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I agree. There are less computer shops where you would go in and buy a DIY system. Old PC i dead. I've moved to a laptop for most things.
Laptops are catching up fast in expansion options.
One thing still impresses me about a desktop. The raw CPU power.
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This happens all the time, first with laptops, then PDAs, then Netbooks and now it's tablet devices on Android/iOS.
Well there is a simple fact, many computing applications need lots of raw CPU grunt and desktop PCs will always provide more of that per dollar/euro than anything else you can create. Yes Windows is incredibly sh1t BUT it has fueled the CPU advances because it is so %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@! (and cheap terrabyte drives and cheap memory).
Add to that fact that some things you can't or won't do on a tablet and you have the simple fact a computer on your desk or a powerful laptop is going nowhere.
Cloud based computing is just another tool in the same tool cabinet, you can't undo a bolt with a screwdriver, if you keep that analogy in mind then you will be OK. Cloud based setups are helpful but nothing you couldn't do 20 years ago by emailing yourself a copy of your XL report and just downloading the attachment when you login to your email account at your other work location. Hell that principle works on even the Commodore 64 :)
Nothing new or revolutionary will come now until the way these devices interface to the human body become embedded IMO.
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And Cloud based computing looks like a great idea until you look at a map of the cell coverage of the Western half of the United States.
Once you realize that this concept leaves you reliant on third party services, it becomes less attractive.
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And Cloud based computing looks like a great idea until you look at a map of the cell coverage of the Western half of the United States.
Once you realize that this concept leaves you reliant on third party services, it becomes less attractive.
Western half, hell, the entire country except for the coastal regions is spotty or nonexistent outside of major population centers, and that's even before you factor in weather issues.
Anyway, I'd say give it time. Time was that it looked like hobbyist electronics and other tinkerer hobbies were all but dead, but in the last ten years we've seen an enormous resurgence in the form of the "makers movement" and associated stuff. And half of that is kids/teens who grew up with Playstations and never even touched an electronics-lab set in their formative years, discovering possibilities they never knew existed. I would consider that to be evidence that the creative/doing urge can't be so easily purged from human nature, no matter how the industry tries. PCs will still be around for "doers" to rediscover when tablets have given way to whatever the next Future Of All Computing Forever is.
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...whatever the next Future Of All Computing Forever is.
I like that turn of phrase, John.
"next Future Of All Computing..", Ha! That IS good.
You know, I'd almost forgotten how often I'd heard that in the past (now where is that damned PDA?)
And, yes, I was being kind about cell coverage.
But as I live within about 10 miles of I95 (which, btw, so does a frighteningly high percentage of the rest of the US) I can count on fairly good cell coverage.
Now if I lived in Montana...
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I like that turn of phrase, John.
"next Future Of All Computing..", Ha! That IS good.
You know, I'd almost forgotten how often I'd heard that in the past (now where is that damned PDA?)
I think you left it with your "Internet Appliance..." ;D
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PC = Personal computer. Cant have that, gotta be a new name, like; a tablet with a keyboard.
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Yes, desktops will always be required to create the apps, games, and the like that run on portable devices.
If desktops doesn't include high laptops then they are not required already. However I'd expect there to come a point where even laptops aren't required. However I think we're a way off, the tablet is not that revolution.
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I always laugh at these "the PC is dead!" articles. The simple fact of the matter is that the 'PC' is an open hardware platform where manufacturers can't really force people to use a specific set of software (they are certainly trying recently, with Windows 8 and the big push towards online stores).
Another interesting fact for all these "Sales are way down!" comments. Most people have a PC that are interested in having one. Hell, if I counted all the computers I have;
Desktop/Gaming system, Server, Minecraft/Redmine server, Laptop, and I have two more that I need some parts for. Of course my glorious Amiga as well. These are all just my own computers.
Computers are so cheap now days that everyone has at least one, and the profits on the hardware are pretty small. Which really is why all the smartphone/tablet people keep saying the 'PC' is dead, because they would prefer that it would be.
I actually met one guy who said he did everything he needed on his Android phone and got rid of his computer. Personally the browsing experience and just doing everything on a touch screen is painful, and only useful in a pinch.
General computing won't go away anytime soon, since there are so many people / places that need it. Tablets and Smartphones are basically just appliances that can only do things in a small scope very well. Sure they can try to attach and make it do different things, but how many average people want to flash roms or root their phones to make them more useful for general computing?
slaapliedje
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Another interesting fact for all these "Sales are way down!" comments. Most people have a PC that are interested in having one.
Which tablet advocates willfully ignore or insist doesn't count because...because reasons, I guess.
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Same as the Netbook launch, it's all just marketing BS really.
Now what I would like to see is a watch that will run BlitzBasic games for Windows...now THAT would be more useful than a re-boot of the tablet PC machines from the turn of the century haha
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I see the supposed death of the PC as a pendulum in that for now people are favouring devices with pc's being out of fashion. In a few years from now people will realise that smartphones aren't really that great for everyday computing so the pendulum will shift towards the pc again with devices being relegated to simply gimmicks. Maybe the definition of what a pc is will change but the idea is still valid.
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Trotsky will return too!
(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3870281/trotsky-nod-o.gif)
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I see the supposed death of the PC as a pendulum in that for now people are favouring devices with pc's being out of fashion. In a few years from now people will realise that smartphones aren't really that great for everyday computing so the pendulum will shift towards the pc again with devices being relegated to simply gimmicks. Maybe the definition of what a pc is will change but the idea is still valid.
Probably for the consumer market I agree, but even company exec's who get iPads etc still more than likely are given a desktop in their office too. Add to that the regular office workers using desktop PCs and sadly Microsoft will outlive even my niece's grand children I bet (she isn't old enough to have kids, that's how terrible this situation is!)
And the CPU wars are even worse, Macs use x86 and now so will the two biggest console manufacturers in the west.
x86 and Windows.....it's like 1990 all over again.......you're all doomed...dooooooomed :)
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I see a conspiracy... Hardware manufactuers want to change more and give less.. under the guise of so-called market trends.
Here are a few examples
[MAC] ... [Remove Floppy Drive] ... [Remove SuperDrive] -- charge the same
[PC] ... [Remove Optical Drive] ... Call it a Netbook -- charge a premium
Remove keyboard.. mouse.. call it a bloody tablet..
I agree with many on here. Desktops have the RAW power that other systems lack. This is definitely the case when it comes to CPU power and hard/optical drive speed!
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ppl who use tablets and smartphones are the most dumb, IQ of such ppl is equal to a chimp
I have a cheap android 7' table but I use only to read pdf books
mostly I read cyndirella, snow white etc
but for all I always use my core i5 PC gamer desktop
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Well, in one way it good that the PC is undergoing some kind of shape changing metamorphosis - but still, the fact is that PC's will be needed for doing 'proper' stuff on.
Portable devices are great, but they won't replace the PC or even kill it.
I would be in favour of future computing to be more 'lego like' where only parts would be upgraded and not the whole device. This would be far more efficient and less wasteful than upgrading constantly to 'new' and 'better' devices, which more or less do the same thing as my what my old Amiga does! :) In fact the Amiga/ST/C64 etc - bridge the gap between tablets and laptops - they just need plug n play monitors, and off we go! Maybe 'home computing' will come back home...
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ppl who use tablets and smartphones are the most dumb, IQ of such ppl is equal to a chimp
I have a cheap android 7' table but I use only to read pdf books
mostly I read cyndirella, snow white etc
but for all I always use my core i5 PC gamer desktop
I appreciate the stella assessment of my intellect you have carefully made there!
I might suggest that those who are unable to figure out how to establish a new work flow using a tablet are nothing more than ageing dinosaurs destined to die out, while the others around them adapt and reap the rewards... But I won't ;)
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I appreciate the stella assessment of my intellect you have carefully made there!
I might suggest that those who are unable to figure out how to establish a new work flow using a tablet are nothing more than ageing dinosaurs destined to die out, while the others around them adapt and reap the rewards... But I won't ;)
While my opinion on Linux is quite tempered by actually researching the kernel, this opinion is just downright silly.
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I appreciate the stella assessment of my intellect you have carefully made there!
I might suggest that those who are unable to figure out how to establish a new work flow using a tablet are nothing more than ageing dinosaurs destined to die out, while the others around them adapt and reap the rewards... But I won't ;)
I was not talking about you specifically,a few percentage of ppl who use a tablet can be smart
I was talking about most of the ppl ie dumb masses
anyways
what kind of new work flow you can do on a tablet?
ppl is fingering such things like monkeys, observe a camwhore using a tablet and you will understand
Tablets are useful only to read ebooks, otherwise obsolete for me
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If you're going to call someone else "dumb" please at least use proper grammar and punctuation. :furious:
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I might suggest that those who are unable to figure out how to establish a new work flow using a tablet are nothing more than ageing dinosaurs destined to die out, while the others around them adapt and reap the rewards... But I won't ;)
I might suggest that some of us are capable of adapting but would first have to see any sign of these implied "rewards" for going to the time and effort of adapting to a device only slightly more portable than a small laptop, which requires an outboard keyboard and attachment case for convenient text entry, has only a low-precision pointing device, is constrained to only use vendor-approved software unless hacked, and cannot be upgraded at all, and I also might suggest that the implied existence of such rewards is merely post-purchase rationalization on the part of persons who want to think themselves futurey as defined by Wired.
So I will.
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I wonder if computers are going the way of the Doe Doe bird?
Also, it looks like another power grab. It forces people to buy something else.
If I can not build a computer, then I just will not be able own one.
edit: Maybe that is what they want.
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That's exactly what they want. Computer-as-disposable-appliance is what this has been about from day one.
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And I'm supposed to learn ways to be more productive without my keyboard?
OK...
Maybe, I'M dumb (or that idea is making me dumber by pondering it).
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Before this discussion continues, I want to point out that I'm not here to sell anyone on the touchscreen or the tablet computer. I hold my hand up and freely admit I'm not about to give up my keyboard and mouse any time soon.
In the world of the tablet I was quite late to the party, I liked the iPad but it was too big for my needs... It was the iPad Mini that got me interested... Now I have found I can design websites, write computer programs, make music, build PowerPoint/Keynote presentations and even work on my spreadsheets with ease on my little iPad mini... It has cellular data, so it's always on, all my data is with me when I want it.
It was cheaper than a laptop, it's lighter an thinner than a laptop, the battery life is matched only by a MacBook Air... I really like this new form factor, it changes the way I can work in mobile situations.
If you don't have such a mobile lifestyle, I can understand why you aren't so interested... But for me, this is now an integral part of my life.
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Dude, you were just telling us that we're dinosaurs who can't adapt. You don't get to play the "I'm not evangelizing!" card now.
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In the month that I've had my MacBook Air, I have hardly touched my iPad. I can't imagine doing any of the things Bloodline says he does on an iPad. Even simple things, like typing in an essay are a complete pain in the ass on the iPad, bluetooth keyboard or not. The only things I found the iPad good for was as an e-book reader for PDFs, general web browsing, reading email, playing the occasional game, etc. Now that I have a notebook that gets 8 hours on a bad day, and 16 on a good day, I have no motivation to even mess with the tablet.
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And its not like I am not mobile.
Its just a matter of how mobile.
And right now that is a 14" iBook and a small 10" laptop.
In fact, the ARM device in my house isn't mobile, its hooked permanently to the television.
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Dude, you were just telling us that we're dinosaurs who can't adapt. You don't get to play the "I'm not evangelizing!" card now.
The people who refuse to accept that technology has moved on are dinosaurs... I'm actually one of those dinosaurs too! There are people now who find the mouse as archaic as I used to find the keyboard... Think about it :)
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The people who refuse to accept that technology has moved on are dinosaurs...
Why? Because some random yahoo says so? Who is this ultimate Arbiter of Technology? How did they come by their authority? What are their qualifications?
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There is either an on screen keyboard or you can attach one. A little slower, but functional. Just a matter of preference.
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There is either an on screen keyboard or you can attach one. A little slower, but functional. Just a matter of preference.
Functional, yes. Convenient, no. Touchscreen keyboards are ass compared to real keyboards - even the good touchscreen keyboards. And plug-in/Bluetooth keyboards for tablets may work, but then you have to get a folding case to hold the tablet in a workable position, at which point it's basically a [strike]poor[/strike] foolish man's laptop.
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The people who refuse to accept that technology has moved on are dinosaurs... I'm actually one of those dinosaurs too! There are people now who find the mouse as archaic as I used to find the keyboard... Think about it :)
Actually, I was using touch screen hardware in the late '70s and am amazed it has made a come back.
I'm rather attached to my mouse.
Although, if I could still get one, I'd switch back to the thumb driven track ball I used to clip on the side of my first laptop.
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Why? Because some random yahoo says so? Who is this ultimate Arbiter of Technology? How did they come by their authority? What are their qualifications?
Russian proverb: New is first enemy of old. ;)
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That's evolution.
You will only do what big industry names say you should do. Can't you see that you now have a lot of choices? People that use keyboards or mouses are not dinossaurs, nor people that use touchscreen devices are up to date. That's what marketing in big industries want you to think. Marketing is here to make you think if you don't have their products or use their latest technology, you are obsolete and you will get behind or disapear. Why do keyboards and mouses are still selling? You can choose whatever makes you happy or more productive. No one is making no one to move to touch devices or tablet things, you can use them if you want! If technology exhists, why shouldn't we use it? Is is mandatory that we use it? NO! I love my wired keyboard, my 24" display and my wired mouse! I also love my android phone, my laptop and my android tablet.
This discussion has no sense.
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While we are talking about trackballs can someone tell me why they never took off? I have been using a logitech trackman for at least 6-7 years and think they are the best invention ever! How someone prefer a mouse over a trackball i just don't know.
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That's evolution.
You will only do what big industry names say you should do. Can't you see that you now have a lot of choices? People that use keyboards or mouses are not dinossaurs, nor people that use touchscreen devices are up to date. That's what marketing in big industries want you to think. Marketing is here to make you think if you don't have their products or use their latest technology, you are obsolete and you will get behind or disapear.
You said it, man.
While we are talking about trackballs can someone tell me why they never took off? I have been using a logitech trackman for at least 6-7 years and think they are the best invention ever! How someone prefer a mouse over a trackball i just don't know.
I prefer a mouse for desktop use, but the trackball was far and away the best solution for a laptop pointing device. I think they lost out because everybody fetishizes thinness so much, but man, I'd totally buy a 3"-thick laptop if it just had a trackball in it.
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Sorry for not believing but I have yet to see someone who design websites and code software with a tablet using only fingers.
If you say you take pre-made PHP templates and join them together like a puzzle and add pictures I believe you and if you use pre-made code and fit it to make some sort of app I also believe you.
But hard coding and design from scratch on a Ipad-like device? Please show me because if this is real I am really a dinosaur.
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I'd totally buy a 3"-thick laptop if it just had a trackball in it.
Apple's got you covered! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
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Damn it! I fell for it. It was only when he said the battery would last a whole 19 minutes that i started getting suspicious. Good one!
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The people who refuse to accept that technology has moved on are dinosaurs...
Technology has moved on? How? None of these things are exactly new, you know.
There are people now who find the mouse as archaic as I used to find the keyboard...
They don't play peecee games, or they'd know better.
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You said it, man.
I prefer a mouse for desktop use, but the trackball was far and away the best solution for a laptop pointing device. I think they lost out because everybody fetishizes thinness so much, but man, I'd totally buy a 3"-thick laptop if it just had a trackball in it.
That is why I valued my clip on trackball, not very thick and easy to use.
It took very little motion with just my thumb to place the cursor exactly where ever I wanted it.
And I still cringe when people touch LCD screens (get your fingers off that!)
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Smudged screens are the way of the future. None smudged are on the way to extinction.
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I like the idea of having tera-flops under the hood but going from cpu to cpu and main board to main board. The Commodore/Amiga computers always find there way back to the ole conscious mind. I am not trying to cut down on Atari or other machines of the time.
But, These where the fun machines that made you go, "Awe cool".
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I like the idea of having tera-flops under the hood but going from cpu to cpu and main board to main board just is not like the old days. The Commodore/Amiga computers always find there way back to the ole conscious mind. I am not trying to cut down on Atari or other machines of the time.
But, These where the fun machines that made you go, "Awe cool".
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They do make keyboards with built in trackballs. However the buttons are on the left while the trackball is on the right.
Can't type and trackball at the same time.
The quality of components has dropped a lot.
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Why can't PC manufacturers make a decent track pad. Apple is buying the technology from somebody, you'd think Microsoft would figure out from whom...
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Why can't PC manufacturers make a decent track pad. Apple is buying the technology from somebody, you'd think Microsoft would figure out from whom...
Microsoft don't make PCs? (Desktops or Laptops).
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The only solution maybe to merge old and new technologies...
Like for example this comfortable retro-gamers laptop, with old school joystick, neatly tucked under laptop keyboard.. We've found a solution for those busy gamers who are on the move and yet want to retain that retro gaming feeling! (n.b closing laptop may be a problem)..