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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Oldsmobile_Mike on October 31, 2013, 05:04:02 AM
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Any Thylacine USB owners on here? I got one a little while back and am finally trying to get it working. I've got the card installed (had to swap it around to get it to "play nice" with my AD516), Posideon software installed, I can go to the "Controllers" tab, add the thylacine.device, toggle it to "Online", get the "hub with 1 port successfully configured" message, but as soon as I plug in any USB device (have tried generic mice & keyboards so far) my Amiga completely locks up. Ocassionally the mouse pointer will move across the screen, but it's as if I'm getting 100% CPU utilization. Unplugging the device has no effect, Amiga stays frozen. Any ideas? Was thinking maybe I should post a video to demonstrate this better, but figured I'd ask first. ;) Thanks!
Edit: card shows up fine and "Working" under Early Startup, Scout, WhichAmiga, etc., so I think it's working fine, just a config issue somewhere?
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This is on your A2000? I don't think it'll be much help, but I had virtually identical problems with my A2000 and an Algor Pro. Ended up giving up on USB. I'm also running an AD516 (and Indivision, and 2MB Chip). I wonder if there's something about USB/Poseidon and some of our hardware that they don't like each other?
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I just picked up a Thylacine myself, but haven't had time to play with it quite yet.
However, if I remember correctly..., I don't think it is hot swappable. Plugging a device in and pulling it out is probably causing the computer to break out in major sweat!
Probably need to plug in the device, boot up, and keep your fingers crossed.
I was hoping it would be bootable, but it doesn't do that either.
Curtis
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ive put my usb so it doesnt start at start up ..i use it if i need it ..seems to draw a lot power ..an causes crashes if in the startup ..after everythings loaded i start it ..generally no problems ..though it doesnt like my 16gig flash drive ..
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This is on your A2000? I don't think it'll be much help, but I had virtually identical problems with my A2000 and an Algor Pro. Ended up giving up on USB. I'm also running an AD516 (and Indivision, and 2MB Chip). I wonder if there's something about USB/Poseidon and some of our hardware that they don't like each other?
Hummm, we have almost identical hardware. Think I'll try it with the AD516 removed and see if that makes a difference. Fingers crossed!
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Probably need to plug in the device, boot up, and keep your fingers crossed.
I've got the USB stack set to run on boot, but if I try to boot with a USB device plugged in it gets about as far as the Workbench title bar loading then freezes up. If I boot with no device plugged in it boots fine (takes a little longer, and have a little less free memory, so I know the stack is running) but as soon as I plug in any device it's freeze-city. :cry:
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My Deneb works in my A2000 (68040) in Z2 mode with the latest Posideon stack. I use an original keyboard and mouse though and run the OS3.9 version of Classic Workbench.
Do you have a spare hard drive where you could try a basic 3.1 install with just the USB drivers? No added frills.
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No difference with the AD516 removed. Boots fine, but as soon as a USB device is plugged in it freezes up. (same if you try booting with a device inserted) :confused: I'll try Darrin's suggestion next...
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I've contacted the builder of the card, since he's sold at least 50-60 of these over on Amibay I'm hoping he can assist. Haven't had a chance to try with a clean 3.1 install yet, but I'll just post my system specs here for reference or for anyone who comes across this thread in the future.
(Note - WhichAmiga reports Chip mem wonky because of TLSFmem patch I'm running)
My system specs are as follows:
- Amiga 2000, Rev. 6.3, full ECS. Motherboard works fine except for minor clock issues
- 3.1 Kickstart, 3.9 Workbench with Boing Bags 1-4
- GVP GeForce 040, 33MHz, 16MB Fast, 2MB Chip
- Indivision ECS
- Sunrize AD516 sound card (I've tried with and without the sound card installed)
- Mechware SCSI card reader booting off CF cards for hard drives
I'm wondering if it's an issue with A2000 only, or with A2000 Buster? It seems like most people use them in A3000/4000. I've tried card in a couple different slots, no difference. Everything works fine until I plug in a USB device (or try booting with one plugged in) then it locks up like it's getting 100% CPU utilization.
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That's what they get for naming the thing like something you'd take for an alergy attack. ;-)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine
An Australian designer, so a very Aussie name!
Az
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine
An Australian designer, so a very Aussie name!
Az
It's also very extinct. Bad karma to name anything after a extinct animal. That's like actually putting a 13th floor in a high rise! Just asking for trouble! LOL!
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lol..extinct animal. like the amiga ;)
Are these boards still for sale? I dont use amibay. Is there another way to get a board?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thylacine
An Australian designer, so a very Aussie name!
Az
Well, stone the crows!
;-)
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There could still be some life left in Amiga and the Thylacine :p
Some have been spotted in the wild but all reports are un-confirmed :)
magnetic, only on Amibay at the moment, 6th batch selling out now
Az
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Just to bump this old thread of mine, I finally got around to digging out a spare CF card and formatting it with nothing but Workbench 3.1, MUI, and the Poseidon USB stack. Booting off that I was able to get a generic USB keyboard to work, but not a mouse. The mouse was detected but if I tried to move it the pointer would just disappear. The keyboard worked okay, but was a bit sluggish. Not really sure what else I can do with the card at this point, but would be interested in hearing if anyone else has managed to get one working properly in an A2000? Seems my 040 just doesn't have the oomph, or it's the ZII bus. I suspect most users are on A3000/A4000...
Anyone know where I can track down a copy of the original Thylacine disk? The link on amiga.resource.cx for Thylacine1.3.lha is dead. Might give that a shot and skip Poseidon, see if I have any better luck.
Also FYI the guy building them on Amibay is now starting to take pre-orders for a four-port version. Not cheap though!
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Hi,
I have been having exactly the same problem with the newly-built Thylacine on an A3000 with 68040 - i.e. very sluggish (slideshow-style) performance culminating to complete lock-ups. This thread was the only other place I had come across that reported this type of behavior so now that I've solved it I thought I'd report what I did.
I was getting this behavior as soon as Trident (Poseidon's GUI) went online. I found some time to attempt re-installing it on a clean WB install and noticed that the Thylacine installation script sets up the startup-sequence (or user-startup, not sure now) so that its own (rudimentary) USB stack starts on bootup. When I removed the offending line from S-S (or U-S, whichever applies) and rebooted Poseidon worked well and is actually quite usable. I managed to connect various devices (a microsoft usb mouse and a d-link ethernet dongle) on a powered USB hub and for the first time even to transfer some files from a USB stick. What I know suspect was causing the lockups was the fact that I was in fact running two USB stacks at the same time.
I thought I'd leave this information here for others who may have as careless as I was when installing it. Many thanks and have a great new year!
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Mike,
My original Thylacine works fine in my A2000 rev. 6.2b. Your system sounds awfully close in horsepower specs to mine. I am running a PP&S A2000/040 @ 33MHz using the Thor MULibs suite. I use a GuruROM equipped a2091 w/14MHz hack and SCSI2SD v6 for my storage. I have a DKB Megachip and Indivision ECS as well. I get a consistent 1.75 MB/sec transfer rate via the SCSI setup. There is a little DMA lag (mouse pointer ratchets while the Poseidon stack is recognizing and reading the directory structure of my memory stick, but once the initial read is complete, works like a champ. Pretty impressive considering the ZII is all I have going for me, as the 040 has no onboard SCSI controller and all the storage access has to traverse the bus.
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Hey Mike I had similar problems with the Spider 2 on my mediator and my RapidRoad. I resolved it all by just starting over with a clean install. Never figured out why though.
If your willing to send me the card I can test it out on my machines as well for you and see how it responds. I've got one of every big box now for just these types of situations. I'll be gone and out of touch for a week until June 8th, but would have family at my house to receive if your comfortable with it.
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This thread is super old. I sold the Thylacine years ago for an X-Surf 100 + RapidRoad and never looked back. Thanks though! :lol:
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This thread is super old. I sold the Thylacine years ago for an X-Surf 100 + RapidRoad and never looked back. Thanks though! :lol:
heheheh I'm holding on to my Thylacine for my 2000. I just feel bad putting a Zorro III card in the 2000. Even with the Blizzard 2060 running the show.
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Damn old threads. Need to pay more attention to those dates, lol. Well see you all in about 10 days.
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I know, I know... I just figured what the heck. I am re-learning stuff after 15 years away from the scene and thought maybe it still mattered.:)
I was searching the web for an answer on some obscure Amiga question the other day, found a thread that was pretty on point, and as I was reading a really detailed response from 2001, I realized it was my response to a post from back then. Funny but sad.