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A-EON Technology
NEWS RELEASE
A-EON Technology & Ultra Varisys sign $1.2M agreement for new PowerPC hardware.
AmiWest 2013 - 18th October 2013
Varisys Ltd, who were recently acquired by Ultra Electronics, is already the proven developer and manufacturer of the ground- breaking Nemo motherboard which is at the heart of A-EON Technology’s AmigaONE X1000 system. Powered by the unique PA Semi PA6T-1682M 64-bit dual- core 1.8Ghz PowerPC processor, the AmigaONE X1000 is the most powerful next-generation comp- uter custom designed to run the latest version of the AmigaOS. Building on the success of the Nemo design, A-EON Technology commissioned Ultra Varisys to create a new generation mother- board, codenamed Cyrus Plus, built around Freescale’s P3 and P5 QorIQ series of PowerPC processors. The QorIQ series (pronounced Core IQ) includes several variations of 32-bit and 64-Bit single and multicore PowerPC processors. As with Nemo, the Cyrus Plus motherboard has been custom designed to run the latest version of AmigaOS 4 and will support multiple PowerPC Linux distri- butions. The board is pin compatible with several 64-bit Freescale QorIQCPUs including the P3 P3041, an e500mc quad-core CPU running up to 1.5 Ghz and the P5 series P5020, an e5500 dual-core running up to 2.0 Ghz. The P5040 quad-core CPU which operates up to 2.4 Ghz should also be compatible.
For more information please check the A-EON Technology and Ultra Varisys websites:
http://www.a-eon.com http://www.varisys.co.uk
We’re just Breezin’
contact@a-eon.com http://www.a-eon.com
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Nice news, great future for Cyrus aka X2000
a) As with Nemo, the Cyrus Plus motherboard has been custom designed to run the latest version of AmigaOS 4 and will support multiple PowerPC Linux distri- butions. The board is pin compatible with several 64-bit Freescale QorIQCPUs including the P3 P3041, an e500mc quad-core CPU running up to 1.5 Ghz and the P5 series P5020, an e5500 dual-core running up to 2.0 Ghz. The P5040 quad-core CPU which operates up to 2.4 Ghz should also be compatible.
DOES THIS MEAN I CAN BUY CYRUS PLUS AND UPGRADE CPU LATER TO PPC64 x4 cores?
b) Who gives money to who A-EON funds Varisys or Varisys to AEON?
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The CPU is soldered to the board so you can't upgrade it later.
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1.2 million dollars. How many of these boards do they have to sell to break even? I'm no accountant, but something seems off spending 1.2 million dollars for a hobby board. Or is this just hype and or bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!?
Two different systems so far now with multicores for an OS that only supports one core. When are they finally going to address this?
How many years has x1000 been out now?
2ghz is still too slow for a "new" computer.
Stay powerpc and stay irrevelant. Only amiga makes it possible.
I check in here still, but I think I'd be best sticking with classics...
I like AROS, love what I've seen from MorphOS but os4 continues to be a disappointment on so many levels. I've got news for them, not many people are willing to spend so much money for a 2ghz motherboard where only one core works.
When I imagine Hyperion... I imagine someone with horse blinders on mumbling "We can still make a comeback!"
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@haywirepc
The boards still run Linux and have industrial use as such.
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, no one is spending such money for power pc boards for "embedded applications" They won't release sales figures, they won't even mention a customer who has used their boards for that purpose.
These boards are for amiga os4, and thats all. Great they run linux too. I can get a 2ghz x86 board for 20$ that can run linux.
Smoke and mirrors...
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, no one is spending such money for power pc boards for "embedded applications" They won't release sales figures, they won't even mention a customer who has used their boards for that purpose.
These boards are for amiga os4, and thats all. Great they run linux too. I can get a 2ghz x86 board for 20$ that can run linux.
Smoke and mirrors...
I have actually seen a few medical devices which are PowerPC based as the embedded supplier has not made the switch to ARM. I'm guessing there are some industrial applications as well. (A new x-ray machine I installed not long ago is PPC for the controller.) They easily make up for it after the cost of the machine, installation, and support contracts.
It's more expensive to build new kit, program new software, then get it certified to regulatory requirements than to stay with the same processes and just file amendments so long as the architecture remains the same.
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@haywirepc
The boards still run Linux and have industrial use as such.
yes, i think this is the deal. Linux can well take advantage of multiple cores and these systems if they actually give at least some performance boost (except for vector maths) in comparison to x1k they may actually find some interst in the linux world. what puzzles me is why they still attempt to dazzle it as "amiga" related. i think aeon (varisys) with their hardware would do much better without os4 balast. i wonder if there will ever be any public confirmation from varisys on These affairs.
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I can get a 2ghz x86 board for 20$ that can run linux.
freescale, varisys or even some other players may see some advantage in a long therm attempt to reestablish ppc platform as desktop or embedded (linux) platform. trevor seems for whatever reason genuinely motivated to drag os4 along, probably he just does not give up so easily.
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USD 1.2M would likely be somewhere between 600 boards @ USD 2000 to 1000 boards @ USD 1200 a piece. This is ambitious as you are talking probably half the number of aOS 4.x users out there, but is still in the realm of possibility.
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I wouldn't read much into this without seeing the actual agreement.
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1.2 million dollars. How many of these boards do they have to sell to break even? I'm no accountant, but something seems off spending 1.2 million dollars for a hobby board. Or is this just hype and or bull%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!?
I believe they sell quite well into the embedded linux market? And this board might be also sold as a Freescale CPU evaluation board - I believe Genesi did the same for their Freescale systems a few years back.
If not - no, no idea. They'd need to sell 2000 at $600 a pop to break even (and that's just the motherboard and CPU). I guess that's why the X1000 costs as much as a PowerMac.
Also, if you're incredibly rich, then $1.2m might not be a lot to risk, especially as it will be generating design assets, and then hopefully income. Honestly, if you had $100m (I don't know how much the AmigaOneX backer has) then $1.2 is not a massive risk, relatively.
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$1.2 million. Bun-tock-too-grillion. The figure means nothing. As we don't know exactly what it is representative of. As someone else stated - without seeing the contract...it could mean anything. We are priviliged enough to even know of the "$1.2 million" let alone any more information. What it is really saying I think is a marketing angle of "We are investing a s*&t load of money for the future benefit of the Amiga".
Having said the above (which is NOT to bash AEon's efforts/marketing in anyway) this is fantastic news that there is even more development occuring. The last 5-6 years (or so) of all different types of changes, new hardware, new software (OS and other), FPGA devices, small scale developments and a whole other raft of Amiga endeavours is something we really need to all embrace. It's a fantastic time to be an Amiga enthusiast of any flavour! And I think sometimes people/groups of people take for granted how fortunate they are.
Good luck AEon and others. And THANKYOU.
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It's great news; Significant new investment, new hardware and continued development in OS4.
Clock speeds are largely irrelevent. A modern 2GHz CPU is going to do a lot more per cycle than a 2GHz CPU from 8 years ago. It looks like the P5020 has only been available since late 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QorIQ#P5
I'd be interested in seeing some real performance figures.
Either way, this is all good news for OS4.
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It's great news; Significant new investment, new hardware and continued development in OS4.
Clock speeds are largely irrelevent. A modern 2GHz CPU is going to do a lot more per cycle than a 2GHz CPU from 8 years ago. It looks like the P5020 has only been available since late 2012.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QorIQ#P5
I'd be interested in seeing some real performance figures.
Either way, this is all good news for OS4.
Unfortunately, the QorIQ P5 is not a modern desktop CPU speed-wise.
Based on the MIPS rating, it's about as fast an an Athlon FX-57 from 2005, but it still lacks a dedicated SIMD unit(it's got no Altivec)
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PowerPC is more relevant now than ever. All the next gen gaming consoles run PowerPC an and the chip is rock solid.
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PowerPC is more relevant now than ever. All the next gen gaming consoles run PowerPC an and the chip is rock solid.
No they don't. The PS4, the Xbox One and the Steam Boxes all use x86-64 CPU's.
The only console that uses a PPC variant is the Wii U and that's a POS compared to the others.
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Current "next gen" (PS3 and Xbox 360) uses PPC. But iirc next "next gen" (PS4 and Xbox one) uses an AMD chip which is not PPC
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Current "next gen" (PS3 and Xbox 360) uses PPC. But iirc next "next gen" (PS4 and Xbox one) uses an AMD chip which is not PPC
That would be "current gen" for PS3/360 and well, "next gen" for the next generation.
When the next generation go on sale they will become "current gen" and the PS3/360 will become the "previous gen".
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I really don't see how some users can see this as a bad thing.
Look Trevor Dickinson Clearly knows what he is doing, he is a "business angel" and have been for many years, so I guess he knows how and where to invest.
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That would be "current gen" for PS3/360 and well, "next gen" for the next generation.
When the next generation go on sale they will become "current gen" and the PS3/360 will become the "previous gen".
Clarification noted, thanks :)
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@ yssing
It's a bad thing for some because the price to performance ratio sux for these machines. I am making an assumption here, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if these new boards were at least as expensive as the X1000 boards.
In order for the Amiga market to really benefit, we need machine in the ~300 USD range. That's including OS. My humble opinion, of course.
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I figure the consoles are going x86 to reduce development costs. Most game performance nowadays seems more dependent on GPU acceleration than raw CPU compute power. Even the physics calculations now seem to be living in the GPU.
Plus, for most users CPUs are now largely irrelevent anyway. I spent about 6 months using an eeePC laptop (Atom powered) connected to a 21" monitor and keyboard; it was only on the very rare occasion I'd do something CPU intensive that I'd remember it was a piece of crap netbook.
The P5020 is a recent design CPU; for most tasks it will probably be overkill. For CPU intensive tasks (for example 3D rendering) it may not be as great as the latest x86 but then when you're talking 10 hour render times, a ~25% difference isn't such a huge deal. Plus, much of this is moving to the GPU too (CUDA, OpenCL, Cycles render engine).
I guess my point is - the CPU is a significant (?) step up from the PA6T, it provides a future roadmap and will probably cost less than the X1000. Comparing a new gen Amiga to a PC or games console is pointless.
My main concerns revolve around the SMP kernel, how much software will break as a consequence and how stable/usable the OS will be as a daily use desktop. Most of the apps I use are open source and AFAIK lack any native Amiga equivelents. I could get by using X (if stable?) but OS4 deserves to be more than a dumb X terminal.
I hope with further development of both the hardware and OS, software development will follow.
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@ yssing
we need machine in the ~300 USD range. That's including OS.
Quite - I think for a lot of people (myself included) the laptop was a cheap way to adopt the platform.
Once on the OS4 train, it would be much easier to justify an upgrade, too.
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Clarification noted, thanks :)
You're welcome. :)
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The P5020 is a recent design CPU; for most tasks it will probably be overkill. For CPU intensive tasks (for example 3D rendering) it may not be as great as the latest x86 but then when you're talking 10 hour render times, a ~25% difference isn't such a huge deal. Plus, much of this is moving to the GPU too (CUDA, OpenCL, Cycles render engine).
it's not 25%... its more like 500% compared to modern midclass x86.
Also, there is no SIMD so it would be even slower in compared to AVX optimized x86 CPUs that have up-to 256-bit wide vector units.
I guess my point is - the CPU is a significant (?) step up from the PA6T, it provides a future roadmap and will probably cost less than the X1000. Comparing a new gen Amiga to a PC or games console is pointless..
It's about 20-30% faster than PA6T, but uses more power. Also, PA6T has Altivec.
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@ yssing
It's a bad thing for some because the price to performance ratio sux for these machines. I am making an assumption here, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if these new boards were at least as expensive as the X1000 boards.
In order for the Amiga market to really benefit, we need machine in the ~300 USD range. That's including OS. My humble opinion, of course.
I doubt a custom x86 board would be cheaper.
What is the price of the P5020 cpu ?
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I doubt a custom x86 board would be cheaper.
What is the price of the P5020 cpu ?
Why would an x86 board have to be custom?
The whole point of even considering porting the OS to x86 is because the boards are not custom, therefore the bang to buck ratio is much better than any custom board could ever be.
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@ yssing
It's a bad thing for some because the price to performance ratio sux for these machines. I am making an assumption here, but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if these new boards were at least as expensive as the X1000 boards.
In order for the Amiga market to really benefit, we need machine in the ~300 USD range. That's including OS. My humble opinion, of course.
That is SAM 440 board.
It looks monsterous expensive, but please point me out to any other dual core PPC board anywhere in the world?
It can only be compared to its relatives, other OS4 systems, and I find X1000 good performance/ratio + expandability and features when compared to SAM 460 system.
X2000 would cost about the same (could be less expensive because CPU is, but I believe AEON wants a bit more profit margin since low volumes production is expensive) and better models will surely be more expensive then X1000 currently is.
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it's not 25%... its more like 500% compared to modern midclass x86.
Also, there is no SIMD so it would be even slower in compared to AVX optimized x86 CPUs that have up-to 256-bit wide vector units.
You forgot to say which are produced in volumes of 100 000 models.
But please point out any dual core PPC consumer board currently on sale to individuals and not military or sever type. That is the "same class"
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Why would an x86 board have to be custom?
because it is the standard answer when mentioning x86 port os4 fans mindlessly repeat. someone must have told them that. wonder who.
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The Wii U could make a fairly ok AmigaOS 4.x/MorphOS machine with 2GB ram and a tricore 1.25 GHz PPC cpu (one core untill/when/if multi-core is supported).
From a price Point I Think more people would try AmigaOS 4.x if they could run it on the Wii U, price/preformance ratio can't be compared to low end entry level AOS4.x hardware and if they dont like it their Children can use the Wii U as a gaming system.
This is just me speculating, I got a sam440ep-flex and I would not say no to buying a Wii U for a faster AOS4.x experience at the price of the Wii U and dual boot with MorphOS would rock as replacement to my mac mini.
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because it is the standard answer when mentioning x86 port os4 fans mindlessly repeat. someone must have told them that. wonder who.
"0h t3h p1r4t3s!" ;)
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because it is the standard answer when mentioning x86 port os4 fans mindlessly repeat. someone must have told them that. wonder who.
Going x86, wont magically give us a wide range of hardware to run on, it won't port new software, it won't expand the userbase..
Need proof? Look at Aros, look at any kind of obscure OS for the x86. Those OS's still needs drivers and devoted development.
Switching to x86 will not give us one more bit of software, unless some one ports it.
Need proof that cheap hardware won't expand the userbase, look at morphos.
If you do want free OS and free software, go for linux, I am not holding you back.
I on the other hand, do not mind paying for hardware and software.
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Going x86, wont magically give us a wide range of hardware to run on, it won't port new software, it won't expand the userbase..
Need proof? Look at Aros, look at any kind of obscure OS for the x86. Those OS's still needs drivers and devoted development.
Actually switching to x86 WILL give you a wide range of hardware to run on if you're using AROS as an example. I've been able to get AROS to run on 3 laptops and 4 desktops of various brands without any serious issues. That's a lot broader selection than we have for OS4 and the performance of AROS puts OS4 to shame as does the price. Yes, driver development and support isn't very broad on AROS but it's a lot broader than you have for OS4. Just try finding decent wireless support for OS4 or GPU support beyond older Radeon cards and you'll be disappointed. AROS already supports several wireless cards without any issues and has decent support for nVidia AND Radeon GPUs. AROS also has a pretty decent library of software already ported as well. So pointing out that AROS driver support is weak and a justifiable reason not to try it or migrating to x86 is a pretty weak argument in light of the even worse driver support for OS4.
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Going x86, wont magically give us a wide range of hardware to run on, it won't port new software, it won't expand the userbase..
nothing more wrong than what you tell.. as usuall..
Need proof? Look at Aros, look at any kind of obscure OS for the x86. Those OS's still needs drivers and devoted development.
aros doesnt even sports the "name", you all os4 fans are so crazy after. if it was "officially" called "amiga os" you likely would hapilly run after it, as for instance hondo admits. and then i bet all these "obscure oses" on x86 are a magnitude bigger in therms of involved users than any amiga ng alternative. see the point? not that you ve not been told it before..
Switching to x86 will not give us one more bit of software, unless some one ports it.
Need proof that cheap hardware won't expand the userbase, look at morphos.
see above..
If you do want free OS and free software, go for linux, I am not holding you back.
you dont need to hold me. linux and aros are at my disposal if i need them.
I on the other hand, do not mind paying for hardware and software.
neither me if it had any value...
lets say id genuinely like to see custom amiga hardware like in the 80/90 enabling one to do the things others couldnt, even if it would cost a little more. ive made this calculation at the time. but id dont buy in custom hareware for the sake of it to be custom. simple, right?
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But please point out any dual core PPC consumer board currently on sale to individuals and not military or sever type. That is the "same class"
Here
(http://www.google.hr/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=gSqjKSzrQP9PFM&tbnid=kbBDNcbWJ_oyqM:&ved=0CAUQjBwwADg1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fapple-history.com%2Fimages%2Fmodels%2Fg5_inside.jpg&ei=_iNmUpTDLOeU0QXK_4H4Ag&psig=AFQjCNG78e9GNx2FBaYdPn8Hmk7rbJXTCg&ust=1382511998767214)
tens of thusands of these are available, for much less than an X1000 or Cyrus will be. There are also quad core versions.
The funniest part is that this is still the fastest PowerPC desktop and will remain even after P5040 Cyrus :juggler:
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My point is still valid, but when aros dominates the scene, then I would have to reconsider. But as you say aros is not the official amiga OS.
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Going x86, wont magically give us a wide range of hardware to run on, it won't port new software, it won't expand the userbase..
It would provide a cheaper platform, even if it was only a single specific motherboard that was supported.
The barrier to entry for people interested in giving AmigaOS4 a try is MASSIVE. It's for the hardcore users only at the moment. These users are important, it's true, but they're a tiny market.
Would it grow the userbase? Well, at a reasonable price for an x86-64 (or ARM) version I'm sure it would sell quite a lot to people who are interested in the Amiga still (ex users in the main) but who don't want to put down the better part of a grand or two for the computer to go with it.
But yes, there wouldn't be any x86-64 (or ARM) AmigaOS software to run on it, it would all need to be recompiled, which given the quantity of abandonware on the Amiga would be difficult. Libraries using PowerPC assembler would also need some effort put in to optimise the x86/ARM path over the default C path (if it even exists).
To artificially impose barriers on your market is a terrible business plan, and bespoke custom PowerPC boards that cost 5x as much as an x86 board, and 10x as much as an entire ARM system, are a massive barrier. No, it wouldn't make AmigaOS rocket up to being a major OS player, but it could double or triple the userbase - possibly even ten to hundred times the users if a Raspberry Pi, or ODROID-XU version was made.
I on the other hand, do not mind paying for hardware and software.
Whoopee for you.
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My point is still valid, but when aros dominates the scene, then I would have to reconsider.
AROS dominates the x86 scene. MorphOS dominates the PPC scene and AmigaOS dominates 68k scene. Where you see OS4 in this picture, I dont know.
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My point is still valid, but when aros dominates the scene, then I would have to reconsider.
does it really matter so much, who wins? and do you really think os4 really rules for now?
But as you say aros is not the official amiga OS.
so what? are you a label victim? and if it really matters to you, how official is os4 in fact? what do you base your criteria "officiality" on, and, frankly, isnt it a little philistine and servilistic to think in those cathegories instead to make choices based on own Imagination and free will?
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My point is still valid, but when aros dominates the scene, then I would have to reconsider. But as you say aros is not the official amiga OS.
I left the camp around 1994/95 and at that time there was no official "AmigaOS" but "Amiga". Today some people are supporting "AmigaOS" because it is the only one with legal "Amiga" in its name and it somehow is based on old code whereas MorphOS and AROS had to rewrite everything. On API level all three "NG" options are very similar, partly even identical (MorphOS and AROS are very similar). AmigaOS seems to go a different route trying to make it as incompatible to the others as possible (my personal impression). I do not care about "official" but what option is offering the best future and there I do not see much hope for "AmigaOS" (with or without Trevor).
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Need proof that cheap hardware won't expand the userbase, look at morphos.
I'm sure you have numbers to support this or you wouldn't say something that immediately sounded so counterintuitive. Case in point: I (one person) wouldn't have bought MorphOS if it wasn't available for hardware that I could easily score for less than a hundred euros. That's an expansion of the userbase. Where's the logic in saying that it doesn't expand the userbase, given that I can prove that it has by at least one person?
Anyway, all luck and fun with this new system. I won't say that it's too expensive, because if you have the money to spare, it's just a matter of priorities. I'd personally rather see something with better backwards compatibility (i.e. classic chipset emulation) running on cheap off-the-shelf hardware than any of the current generation of workbench clones. WinUAE is good, but suffers from things that all software emulators running on top of full desktop operating systems suffer from.
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Current "next gen" (PS3 and Xbox 360) uses PPC. But iirc next "next gen" (PS4 and Xbox one) uses an AMD chip which is not PPC
The PlayStation 4 will launch November 15th, 2013 in the United States and November 29th, 2013 in Europe, Australia, and Latin America. This makes it, what, three weeks from being *current* generation! And it's x86!
;)
The PS3 was released in 2006, when PPC's relevance had already gone away and its future on desktop and laptop had already been sealed as a dead end because of Apples x86 migration. I suppose it takes an Amiga fan to call a 7 year old platform that's practically replaced as "next gen"...
:lol:
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It looks monsterous expensive, but please point me out to any other dual core PPC board anywhere in the world?
OK, here is twenty of them: :lol:
G4 machines with 2 CPU cores (dual CPU):
1. Apple Power Macintosh G4 450 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_450_dp.html)
2. Apple Power Macintosh G4 500 DP (Gigabit) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_500_dp.html)
3. Apple Power Macintosh G4 800 DP (Quicksilver) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_800_dp_qs.html)
4. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP (QS 2002) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1ghz_dp_qs.html)
5. Apple Power Macintosh G4 867 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_867_dp_mdd.html)
6. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.0 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.0_dp_mdd.html)
7. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.25 DP (MDD) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_dp_mdd.html)
8. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.25 DP (FW 800) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.25_dp_mdd_fw800.html)
9. Apple Power Macintosh G4 1.42 DP (FW 800) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g4/specs/powermac_g4_1.42_dp_mdd.html)
G5 machines with 2 CPU cores (dual CPU)
10. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html)
11. Apple Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp.html)
12. Apple Power Macintosh G5 1.8 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_1.8_dp_2.html)
13. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI-X 2) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_2.html)
14. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.5 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.5_dp.html)
15. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.0 DP (PCI) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.0_dp_pci.html)
16. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.3 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.3_dp.html)
17. Apple Power Macintosh G5 2.7 DP (PCI-X) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_2.7_dp.html)
G5 machines with 2 CPU cores (single CPU)
18. Apple Power Macintosh G5 Dual Core (2.0) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_dual_2.0.html)
19. Apple Power Macintosh G5 Dual Core (2.3) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_dual_2.3.html)
G5 machines with 4 CPU cores (dual CPU, QUAD CORE)
20. Apple Power Macintosh G5 "Quad Core" (2.5) (http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/specs/powermac_g5_quad_2.5.html)
Of course, the last one isn't dual core, it's Quad Core, but anyway... :lol:
Not that it matters much though, since Amiga isn't (per definition, per design) SMP capable. And it will never be. It can't be, it's simply not possible.
The only way you could make it truly SMP capable would be to break Amiga binary compatibility, and this goes completely against the very founding idea of both OS4 and MorphOS.
Personally, I wouldn't mind if MorphOS would do just that at this point in evolution; abandon the Amiga binary compatibility ambitions, and introducing true SMP/multithreading with real memory protection, making MorphOS a real 64-bit platform, and abandon the 31-bit limit on RAM addressing, etc, etc, etc. But if you are breaking the Amiga anyway, it would be mad to remain on the dead PPC architecture, because then it could *easily* (and relatively fast) be ported to real, 2013 level desktop/laptop HW! This is why all these multicore discussion in an Amiga/PPC context is so darn pointless! The day it will have true SMP, then it's nothing that really prevents it from running on x86 or ARM (or on whatever with a pulse)!
And BTW - "Multicore Support" in the sense of PowerUP or a simple way of using a second core as a dumb numbercruncher by special applications written explicitly for this, is not at all the same as real SMP. It's real SMP people want, and this is what people generally mean (it's understood without saying) when talking about "Multicore"...
It can only be compared to its relatives, other OS4 systems
Nonsense, it can (and should, of course) be compared to any and all systems it's technically capable of running on! This because the only single reason to why you will have to amortize your "X1000" to 2018 as you said in another thread (I really hope you joked about that, BTW), is because of a political decision made by a single or a few people, thus resulting in a HW route for OS4 that insane in so many ways. That's the only reason, nothing technical about it!
OS4 could very well have been running on G5's and PowerBooks since a long time ago. Instead you are forced to pay $3,000+ for a system with features that nobody needs or wants (all the "X" crap that just sits there like an inflamed appendix) and features you can't use (multicore) that performs *far worse* than any regular 2005 level Mac desktop system.
Comparisons to other systems that OS4 could technically run on (and should have run on, weren't it for stupid decisions) illuminates this problem, and it is the only hope of making them think differently some day.
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AROS dominates the x86 scene. MorphOS dominates the PPC scene and AmigaOS dominates 68k scene. Where you see OS4 in this picture, I dont know.
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But you forgot AROS also dominates the ARM scene in this context too(sure it's the only amigaoid OS on ARM but that's not the point) lol. :)
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OK, here is twenty of them: :lol:
I think it's obvious he was talking about new boards.
AROS could take over PPC as well, if anyone could be bothered. I can't see the point in buying an old Mac.
A PPC emulator would be good though, then you could run 68k & PPC software on new cheap hardware.
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But you forgot AROS also dominates the ARM scene in this context too(sure it's the only amigaoid OS on ARM but that's not the point) lol. :)
And with AROS68k coming as the default OS for WinUAE, my guess is that AROS will eventually (once compatibility has improved) dominate the 68k scene too!
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And with AROS68k coming as the default OS for WinUAE, my guess is that AROS will eventually (once compatibility has improved) dominate the 68k scene too!
id hope so, but still there is not enough attention about how to actually attract the genuine amiga users and fix the bugs. if aros was actually usable on (higher end) amiga hardware as substitute for the original system without all these caveats i must spell when introducing it, it would definitely be quite popular by now. alas..
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AROS dominates the x86 scene. MorphOS dominates the PPC scene and AmigaOS dominates 68k scene. Where you see OS4 in this picture, I dont know.
I don't know what this OS4 Linux thingy is, but it is quite clear that all variants of AmigaOS from 1.x to 4.x dominate the AmigaOS scene.
It seems that after the migration of AmigaOS from 68xxx CPU to Power architecture it is said to die or already was dead. All the time. I'm a late adopter and jumped from AmigaOS 3.9 to 4.1 around 2009. It was to be said dead then. And it's still dying. Whohooo. And AROS dominates since then. Or will dominate. Some day. All platforms. Except those, where MorphOS dominates. Or was it vice versa?
Back to topic: Wow, very commited, Trevor. I wish you all the best and hopefully a somewhat calmer trip with this project(s) - especially regarding CPU availability.
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And with AROS68k coming as the default OS for WinUAE, my guess is that AROS will eventually (once compatibility has improved) dominate the 68k scene too!
x86-WinUAE will dominate the 68k scene? WTF? No Wintel machine with some emulator will ever "dominate" my "68k scene". Phew.
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Hmmm never knew about this, may hold off on the x1000 purchase to get whatever the 'latest thing' is when it is released.
It's probably a bad business move to hint about an x2000 this early on in the design process as their tiny market will now fracture into 'want one now' and 'wait for the actual fastest OS4 machine whenever it appears' however ;)
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x86-WinUAE will dominate the 68k scene? WTF? No Wintel machine with some emulator will ever "dominate" my "68k scene". Phew.
I said nothing about WinUAE dominating the 68k scene (though I would wager there are many thousands more UAE users than real or "next gen" Amiga users :)
My comment was related to AROS, which will eventually be better than a real 1.3 or 3.x rom for real Amigas :)
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I said nothing about WinUAE dominating the 68k scene (though I would wager there are many thousands more UAE users than real or "next gen" Amiga users :)
My comment was related to AROS, which will eventually be better than a real 1.3 or 3.x rom for real Amigas :)
In the future when AROS boots from a single 880 kB floppy I am going to try it on my Amiga 500 ;-)
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@cha05e90
AROS was first in the NG scene and has the benefits of being open source and available for platforms such at x86 and ARM. Then came MorphOS and while it only runs on PPC it has the benefits of being Amiga binary compatible, it has a great and very diverse HW base, it's very mature and has the best features of all Amiga NG options. The last one (in all aspects, not just its late introduction) is OS4. It's like MorphOS in the sense it strives for Amiga binary compatibility (at least on paper) and is only available for PPC, but it falls short in practically every single aspect, like maturity, stability, performance, features, availability, Amiga compatibility, price, HW base, etc, etc.
Hence the "this OS dominates that platform" comments above, and the finding that OS4 doesn't really fit into the picture anywhere. Well, one could (as you say) perhaps say that OS4 dominates the "AmigaOS 4" *name*, but that's it!
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In defence of OS4 it has to be said that OctaMED works flawlessly on the AnigaOne boards and OS4 for Phase5 hardware allows more 68k stuff to run than the old MOS-PUP did. It even has working Mediator drivers.
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@Takemehomegrandma
AmigaOS4 dominates your and many other fanboys minds so there must be something really fantastic about it, I can't find any other explanation to why you and some others spend so much time talking about os4 on the forums, irc etc...
@All
Fantastic news from A-eon. Who could have believed this a few years ago.
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@Takemehomegrandma
AmigaOS4 dominates your and many other fanboys minds so there must be something really fantastic about it, I can't find any other explanation to why you and some others spend so much time talking about os4 on the forums, irc etc...
@All
Fantastic news from A-eon. Who could have believed this a few years ago.
Ooh look the libelous troll has graced us with his presence. What an honour!
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Ooh look the libelous troll has graced us with his presence. What an honour!
Do you have any other explanation or what?
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Do you have any other explanation or what?
Perhaps the people you refer to suspect OS4 is stolen? What other explanation could there be?
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Perhaps the people you refer to suspect OS4 is stolen? What other explanation could there be?
And that is why they are obsessed with AmigaOS4? strange logic but if thats you'r theory... "ok" ;) I'll stick with my theory about envy until someone finds a better one. You seems to have nothing to contribute with atm so i'm probably done with you in this thread. We don't want to destroy this lovely news thread about A-eon investing lot's of money into the Amiga, don't we?
Feel free to contact me with PM if you want to find out who's dominating who etc. Cheers.
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Aww diddums.
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Hmmm never knew about this, may hold off on the x1000 purchase to get whatever the 'latest thing' is when it is released.
It's probably a bad business move to hint about an x2000 this early on in the design process as their tiny market will now fracture into 'want one now' and 'wait for the actual fastest OS4 machine whenever it appears' however ;)
Let's put this into perspective: we are probably talking a year or so before Cyrus makes it to a mature consumer release. The AmigaOne X1000 is a stable, proven system and it's available now.
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Let's put this into perspective: we are probably talking a year or so before Cyrus makes it to a mature consumer release. The AmigaOne X1000 is a stable, proven system and it's available now.
For me it's too expensive unfortunately. :(
Even at half the price it would probably be out of most people's budgets I think.
It's a shame because I really would like one as it's a unique piece of kit.
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For me it's too expensive unfortunately. :(
Even at half the price it would probably be out of most people's budgets I think.
It's a shame because I really would like one as it's a unique piece of kit.
Most smokers I know smoke at least one pack of cigarettes a day so if they save that during a year they can buy the nemo board! Kamelito
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Most smokers I know smoke at least one pack of cigarettes a day so if they save that during a year they can buy the nemo board! Kamelito
Cigarettes are more useful though.
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Cigarettes are more useful though.
You have a strange sense of humor.