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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: takemehomegrandma on October 17, 2013, 11:56:29 AM
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So another year has passed and it's time for yet another edition of the AmiWest get-together for US west coast Amiga and OS4 enthusiasts. This is traditionally a time for OS4 releases, displaying beta OS4 stuff, big OS4 announcements, and promises of future OS4 developments. So it would be interesting to hear what your (OS4 enthusiasts) expectations are for the weekend! OS4.2 with SMP, >2GB RAM limit, 3D and Overlay for Radeon HD, finally seeing the net book, etc? News from Acube (what is that mysterious "File N. 3")? News about the "X2000" from Aeon, maybe see a beta board booting OS4?
So, what do you expect?
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trevor reintroduces project moana, solie rewrites c (because it has never been written properly) and redefines multicore processing beyond smp. apart of that the announcements from last year remain valid (including netbook put on hold) only postponed.
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If there's no OS4 capable laptop I'm not interested, I don't have room for a desktop.
Kamelito
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So another year has passed and it's time for yet another edition of the AmiWest get-together for US west coast Amiga and OS4 enthusiasts. This is traditionally a time for OS4 releases, displaying beta OS4 stuff, big OS4 announcements, and promises of future OS4 developments. So it would be interesting to hear what your (OS4 enthusiasts) expectations are for the weekend! OS4.2 with SMP, >2GB RAM limit, 3D and Overlay for Radeon HD, finally seeing the net book, etc? News from Acube (what is that mysterious "File N. 3")? News about the "X2000" from Aeon, maybe see a beta board booting OS4?
So, what do you expect?
:)
Netbook is cancelled, and would be Efika level, so I am not sad about it.
Everything else is my expectation as it was promised. Especially OS 4.2, X1000 users have been waiting since 2010
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Amiga X2000 launch announced; this time supplied as a complete branded and marketable machine.
- an updated A4000 look-a-like case
- Multicore (affordable) IBM CPU
- OS4.2 with SMP etc
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Hyperion announce an OS4 ARM port, A-EON announce new ARM based hardware, the whole (old and new) Amiga community rejoice and 'Amiga' has an albeit minor comeback as a popular hobbyist platform.
But ... in reality I guess we'll get updates on the X2000, progress reports regarding (and obstacles blocking) memory protection, SMP etc plus news of other incremental changes elsewhere.
The laptop was a neat idea as it would have made adoption of OS4.x affordable. Once people have OS4 it's easier for them to justify an upgrade. However, as others have pointed out it would have been terribly underpowered.
An affordable hardware platform for OS4 would be a massive boost though.
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Everything else is my expectation as it was promised. Especially OS 4.2, X1000 users have been waiting since 2010
Yes, you are hardly the only one expecting 4.2, it has been coming a long time now, longer than 2010 even.
It will be interesting to see how they did solve all the impossibles!
:)
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Amiga X2000 launch announced; this time supplied as a complete branded and marketable machine.
Who knows, if they manage to make something truly marketable, then I might buy one myself! ;)
Hyperion announce an OS4 ARM port, A-EON announce new ARM based hardware, the whole (old and new) Amiga community rejoice and 'Amiga' has an albeit minor comeback as a popular hobbyist platform.
I'd think this is a requirement for making something "truly marketable", but I'd doubt it would happen, since the OS4 guys seem to be very rabid PPC-for-desktop believers (probably the last ones on the entire planet).
While x86 (or "x64") would be the only option if you want the sheer power that only the Core-i7 can offer today, there are certainly happening a lot of interesting things in the "ARM's race" (;)).
One argument that many people use to dismiss ARM for desktop, is the high level of integration and the fact that tablets/smart phones/smart TV's etc are the obvious target applications. However, AMD recently announced (http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle_print&ID=1853282&highlight=) a more "traditional" ARM CPU that differs from this:
AMD Hierofalcon
- Up to eight 64-bit ARM Cortex-A57 cores
- Up to 2GHz.
- Dual 64-bit memory channels DDR3/DDR4
- 10-gigabit Ethernet
- PCI Express 3
This one doesn't have on-chip graphics, but it sure will be a power horse, and it has 3rd gen PCI-e.
Personally, I *like* the high level of integration of the more traditional ARM CPU's. IMHO this is what makes them cheap yet powerful, and indeed very interesting to people like us. Speaking of this, I have seen a rumor (http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/17673-amd-forbereder-arm-processor-for-android) (supposedly from an anonymous AMD executive (http://liliputing.com/2013/09/amds-first-arm-based-chip-tablets-coming-2014.html)) saying that AMD is about to introduce at least one CPU aimed for the Android/Tablet consumer market as well, thus entering competition with companies like Samsung, Qualcomm, NVIDIA for these kinds of consumer markets. This chip will also be based on the 64-bit ARMv8 architecture, and it will feature Cortex-A53 and/or Cortext-A57 cores (they can be used in a big.LITTLE configuration) as well as integrated graphics based on their own Graphics Core Next (GCN), known from the Radeon HD 7000-series.
The ARM archtecture doesn't lack interesting offerings from numerous CPU manufacturers for HW developers, that's for sure. Heck, even the current ARM CPU families (various models based on Cortex-A15 and even Cortex-A9) outperforms anything PPC-based we use today, and it's dirt cheap, low heat, low power consumption and enables extremely small footprint devices, so...
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I know this is straying from the thread topic (entirely my fault for listing fantasty 'Amiwest' announcements) but it seems today we have so many options available to us, it's sad to see the platform stagnating. Even if we stick with PPC I'm assuming there are more modern, affordable CPU options; how do the modern IBM power CPUs compare to PA6 in terms of unit cost?
I don't mean to detract from Trevor's efforts with the X1000 - I'm talking about the lower/entry/SAM level.
Anyway, back on topic ... does no one else have Amiwest expectations?
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I know this is straying from the thread topic (entirely my fault for listing fantasty 'Amiwest' announcements) but it seems today we have so many options available to us, it's sad to see the platform stagnating. Even if we stick with PPC I'm assuming there are more modern, affordable CPU options; how do the modern IBM power CPUs compare to PA6 in terms of unit cost?
I don't mean to detract from Trevor's efforts with the X1000 - I'm talking about the lower/entry/SAM level.
Anyway, back on topic ... does no one else have Amiwest expectations?
Noone :-)
when asked about 4.2. Steve Solie will say "all on track" but too early to announce something, Trevor will propably show his new toy(s) "X2000" (or how it will be called).
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ah. because i forgot the last time, lets expect a workshop in rewriting amiga history.
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So another year has passed and it's time for yet another edition of the AmiWest get-together for US west coast Amiga and OS4 enthusiasts. This is traditionally a time for OS4 releases, displaying beta OS4 stuff, big OS4 announcements, and promises of future OS4 developments. So it would be interesting to hear what your (OS4 enthusiasts) expectations are for the weekend! OS4.2 with SMP, >2GB RAM limit, 3D and Overlay for Radeon HD, finally seeing the net book, etc? News from Acube (what is that mysterious "File N. 3")? News about the "X2000" from Aeon, maybe see a beta board booting OS4?
So, what do you expect?
:)
My expectation is that people attending the show will enjoy themselves.
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Im quite sure there will be almost no news announced. However, that is much preferred to fake announcements.. e.g the infamous os4 laptop that was "already running" when the presentation was given. That was a good one. Lots of good (or bad) amiga vapour stories but that one to me was the worst. Especially when it was timed with the announcement of Morphos to PPC mac laptops.
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Im quite sure there will be almost no news announced.
im pretty sure there will be helluva lot of announcements.
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I expect at least one announcement of more announcements to come.
I'm also really looking forward to seeing ssolie's rewrite of the C language.
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"rewrite of the C language"? :-)
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Magnetic: the infamous os4 laptop that was "already running"
It wouldn't surprise me if it was running, in a bare form (the underlying kernel?), at Hyperion, with the boot security code / check removed, purely as a proof of concept. Running != usable.
Wasn't there a rumour of an X86 build too? Wasn't sure if this was developers making a proof of concept or something started on amiga.org purely to fan the flamewars... ;)
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"rewrite of the C language"? :-)
One of the Amiwest organisers claimed that ssolie is such a genius that he has rewritten the C language to be more Amiga efficient. Whatever that means. lol
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Magnetic: the infamous os4 laptop that was "already running"
It wouldn't surprise me if it was running, in a bare form (the underlying kernel?), at Hyperion, with the boot security code / check removed, purely as a proof of concept. Running != usable.
Wasn't there a rumour of an X86 build too? Wasn't sure if this was developers making a proof of concept or something started on amiga.org purely to fan the flamewars... ;)
X86 build? I cannot believe that. Steve Solie used a error in a library (that was removed not long ago) as evidence that AmigaOS is based on the original sources. So at least parts of it are even 68k, others are propably asm to be more efficient. If it is not developed from start off to be portable it is difficult to port it to another hardware. One of the MorphOS guys estimated it would take years to port MorphOS to X86 (of course I do not know how long it would take to port a unusable base system) so Hyperion will certainly not be faster.
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"rewrite of the C language"? :-)
It was a comment made on this page (http://apps.amiwest.net/Blog/?e=86433&d=10/15/2013&s=Twas%20the%20Night%20before%20Programming.%20.%20.):
"Steve has an amazing grasp of Amiga programming, so much so that he has re-written the "C" language to make it more Amiga efficient"
It has now been edited.
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It was a comment made on this page (http://apps.amiwest.net/Blog/?e=86433&d=10/15/2013&s=Twas%20the%20Night%20before%20Programming.%20.%20.):
"Steve has an amazing grasp of Amiga programming, so much so that he has re-written the "C" language to make it more Amiga efficient"
It has now been edited.
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LOL
Obviously I underestimated Steve Solie :-)
Seriously
Sometimes they have the tendency to "overhype"
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X86 build? I cannot believe that.
Me neither. Would be interesting to hear a bit more, and perhaps something about the source of that info?
One of the MorphOS guys estimated it would take years to port MorphOS to X86
I think it depends on your ambitions with the port; if you can accept abandoning Amiga binary compatibility and start over with a clean slate, then a straight port could be done quite fast AFAIK. But I suppose there is little point in sacrificing that without introducing new stuff (that requires this sacrifice anyway), like 64-bit, SMP, etc. Which means new developments, which takes time.
I suppose...
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"rewrite of the C language"? :-)
Yes! In...C...
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Regarding the X86 build; I thought I read it here a couple of years ago. I believe someone mentioned that the 68k assembly routines had been converted to C (required for PPC) and hence theoretically it could now be cross compiled for any target. I'm sure someone claimed a developer had made an X86 build which at least booted some sort of kernel.
However, searching both here and via Google I can't find any mention of it.
I remember reading it! Someone must remember? Am I losing it?
*rocks back and forth*
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yes! In...c...
ج
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Magnetic: the infamous os4 laptop that was "already running"
It wouldn't surprise me if it was running, in a bare form (the underlying kernel?), at Hyperion, with the boot security code / check removed, purely as a proof of concept. Running != usable.
Of course it was never runnning for real, thats obvious now even to the fanboys. I'm impressed the morphos camp hid their laughing about this back then and still do. It was pretty pathetic.
There will be no SMP in our lifetime on Amiga NG, can we stop talking silly?
Also there is no x86 os4 project.
Project Moana was the way to go.
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@all
I have updated the broadcast page on http://www.amiwest.net to reflect a new server and a new service!
Streams will start around 10 am Pacific time.
Cheers,
Bill "tekmage" Borsari