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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: kickstart on October 16, 2013, 11:32:32 PM

Title: raspbian
Post by: kickstart on October 16, 2013, 11:32:32 PM
Im installing some OS for testing on a raspberry pi... my question is about raspbian or pi performance, lag on small videos, crispy sound sometimes, low response... is really raspbian unusable sometimes as i see?
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: bloodline on October 17, 2013, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: kickstart;750282
Im installing some OS for testing on a raspberry pi... my question is about raspbian or pi performance, lag on small videos, crispy sound sometimes, low response... is really raspbian unusable sometimes as i see?
Raspian (which is now the official distribution) is very quick and well optimised for the Pi... X on the other hand is a piece of junk, really showing it's age. When doing any media playback use OGL or OVG directly.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: kickstart on October 17, 2013, 12:46:24 AM
Yes... try to see a video with raspbian is impossible, and sound quality isnt good...whats the alternative OS for video, audio and browsing?

Thanks.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: pyrre on October 17, 2013, 08:07:46 AM
I use raspbmc on my pi.
and it works like a charm...
i have of course purchased and installed the key for hardware decoding of videos..
And i use my pi as a mediacentre only....
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: bloodline on October 17, 2013, 09:08:12 AM
Quote from: kickstart;750287
Yes... try to see a video with raspbian is impossible, and sound quality isnt good...whats the alternative OS for video, audio and browsing?

Thanks.
Open up a command line and run your video using omxplayer, that uses hardware acceleration. Enjoy ;)

-edit-

Here is a link for some assistance: http://elinux.org/Omxplayer
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: som99 on October 17, 2013, 09:13:24 AM
Im with pyrre, raspbmc is the way to go if you wan't to watch media files/streams :) Also some overclocking helps a tad extra :) But that's if you want to use it as a HTPC ofcource, I have been giving away PI's with raspbmc to family to use as HTPCS on their TV's and everyone of them are happy with it :)
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: IanP on October 17, 2013, 10:17:50 AM
I use Openelec for XBMC on mine. It makes a great addition to my TV, I was surprised and delighted that I can navigate using my TV's remote control.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: TCMSLP on October 17, 2013, 10:25:29 AM
Purchased the key for hardware decoding?  I wasn't aware of this; xbmc runs on my Pi in HD without any problems.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: pyrre on October 17, 2013, 11:40:50 AM
Quote from: TCMSLP;750311
Purchased the key for hardware decoding?  I wasn't aware of this; xbmc runs on my Pi in HD without any problems.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/

Check the "buy codec" tab....
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: gaula92 on October 17, 2013, 11:49:19 AM
@kickstart: DISABLE Xorg on the Pi. You can do so by running the "raspi-config" command.
Then you use "omxplayer" to play videos and audio clips using the Rpi's custom video & audio cores (wich, in fact, are similar to the Amiga custom chips).

FullHD video and high-bitrate MP3, OGG or FLACs are perfectly playable on the Pi with no problems whatsoever. Xorg *is the problem*.
The Pi can even emulate a Sega MegaDrive and SegaCD, PC-Engine, NES, etc... at rock-solid 60FPS using the custom cores to scale the graphics to fullHD resolutions without using the CPU.
I made clean instructions here:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=56070


@other: he's talking about the default Raspbian distro, not RaspBMC or other alternatives. The fun part is to get all these things going on the Pi with a complete OS, not inside some crippled HTPC enviroment.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: som99 on October 17, 2013, 12:32:40 PM
Talking about complete OS:es I run Ångström linux on my PI, I love Ångström and a few mods you can get the PND support and run most OpenPandora programs (recompiling may be needed), so if looking for an alternative experiance which tho requires some more tinkering I recommend Ångström.

If I had the spare time I would love to rebuild the OpenPandora rootfs for the PI, to many projects to little time :(
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: kickstart on October 17, 2013, 05:45:27 PM
Thanks for all answers... im trying to use the pi like a "portable desktop" sometimes not like xbmc.

Then there are currently no OS operating properly on the pi, browsing with iceweasel on rapsbian is something slow and if use gnash is a pain, the problem for me is disable xorg, for people unfamiliarized with linux command line (like me) becomes difficult.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: gaula92 on October 17, 2013, 05:56:59 PM
@kickstart: forget about Xorg on the Pi, really. You're going to get a VERY wrong impression of the machine's possibilities using that broken enviroment.
Linux command line is easy and you should go for it: learn and grow. It's a powerful OS and you're missing A LOT by not using it.
You can start with simple and rewarding tasks, like mounting a disk, navigating it's filesystem and playing a movie with OMXPlayer, then go for something harder like compiling RetroArch and playing SonicCD :) GNU/Linux is fun! Only people without abstraction capabilities will tell you otherwise.

Using a broken enviroment like Xorg doesn't mean learning how to use GNU/Linux: it's a poor excuse for a graphical enviroment, slow as a dog an ugly as hell.
It's all about learning while using a computer. You'll find it's very rewarding.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: Dr. Chef on October 18, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
Quote from: kickstart;750325
Thanks for all answers... im trying to use the pi like a "portable desktop" sometimes not like xbmc.

I suggest you give RISC OS a try. In my opinion, it's very easy to use, and is much faster than Raspbian. It's unique since it's not GNU/Linux.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: brownb2 on October 19, 2013, 08:19:23 PM
Lol The Pi is a learning tool but I still can't believe what I've just read in an Amiga forum. Learning the command line seems like advising someone to learn MS DOS, but worse you may not be able to just "cd" to a drive when you plug it in. How things have changed from the Windows 3.11 runs on DOS therefore it's crap and you need a real UI and OS like the Amiga's ;)

Quote from: gaula92;750326

Linux command line is easy and you should go for it: learn and grow. It's a powerful OS and you're missing A LOT by not using it.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: gaula92 on October 19, 2013, 08:30:56 PM
Quote from: brownb2;750536
Lol The Pi is a learning tool but I still can't believe what I've just read in an Amiga forum. Learning the command line seems like advising someone to learn MS DOS, but worse you may not be able to just "cd" to a drive when you plug it in. How things have changed from the Windows 3.11 runs on DOS therefore it's crap and you need a real UI and OS like the Amiga's ;)


You don't know what you're talking about.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 19, 2013, 08:37:56 PM
Please stop bashing against Xorg : ). The only reason it is slow on Pi is just because there is no driver for the Pi GPU existent. My 486DX2@80 gives better X11 performance than the PI just because of a supported GPU.

The creators of Pi don't care about a Xorg driver because they intend to use Wayland (not ready yet).
Xwayland will than allow to run X11 apps on top of Wayland.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: kickstart on October 19, 2013, 09:09:11 PM
@gaula92

OK linux command line is cool and this tutorial is OK but for play sonic or something, isnt a solution, im trying to browse and this kind of things, you are too positive with the pi in all your post, dont take it bad.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: kickstart on October 19, 2013, 09:10:08 PM
@phoenixconsole

Lets wait for wayland then, seems the closer solution to me.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 19, 2013, 09:48:11 PM
Yep i hope Xwayland will fly on it as Xorg does on Cubieboard.
Costs a few bucks more but has 2d and 3D accelerated X11. Very usable and impressive after trying the same on PI.
Title: Re: raspbian
Post by: brownb2 on October 19, 2013, 09:56:40 PM
I beg to differ and it seems you've made a rash statement based on my off the cuff remark. Without telling you my specifics and to put it modestly I work with cloud servers every single day and my (commercial) software is used by millions so I can confidently say it's you who's wrong to make that assumption. Please take it to PM of you want to continue OT.

@kickstart - Please see http://pimame.org/ to run old system games - it has a number of emulators including one for the megadrive. The PI is more than fast enough to run old emulators and even software for newer machines such as the Playstation 1 (also included in PiMame).

Quote from: gaula92;750537
You don't know what you're talking about.