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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Amiga_Nut on October 06, 2013, 06:16:22 AM
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Title says it all really, what does a man who has almost everything get next?
5 years from now when X1000s will be as rare as rocking horse doo-doo coated in crushed hens teeth it will make sense. Beyond CPU speed or driver issues or dog slow PS1 emulation (meaning you still can't play Wipeout 2097 a la PPC based A4000) it will be a unique computer. It will be just like my Memotech MTX512 and FDX disk expansion on my desk.
Yup I think I will get myself one for Xmas.....Jesus may weep but I will have a one of a kind super kooky machine just like last decade with my NEXT machines :)
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Awesome! Do it quickly before the Morphos trolls talk you out of it ;)
P.S. If i had the money i'd buy one too.
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Awesome! Do it quickly before the Morphos trolls talk you out of it ;)
P.S. If i had the money i'd buy one too.
I do not need MorphOS trolls to talk me out of it...I need the price to do the job and it did an excellent job at that.
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Awesome! Do it quickly before the Morphos trolls talk you out of it ;)
P.S. If i had the money i'd buy one too.
If I think buying an X1000 is a bad idea, that automatically makes me a troll? ;-)
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Title says it all really, what does a man who has almost everything get next?
5 years from now ... I will have a one of a kind super kooky machine just like last decade with my NEXT machines :)
I've always wanted a NEXT (and BeBox too!) but didn't bother because there wasn't much software available for it, particularly music composition & audio related. :)
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If I think buying an X1000 is a bad idea, that automatically makes me a troll? ;-)
Depends. Usually with a thread like this people just have to point out why the x1000 is a bad idea. Like maybe reminding them that a G5 is dirt cheap and out performs the "overpriced" x1000.
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If you can miss the money just buy it, why not. I wish I could spare that much money.
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It is your own business where you invest your money but I doubt you could make profit by selling your x1000 later.
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@ Amiga Nut
As I've said many times before, I've never regretted buying any of my Amiga stuff over the years but heck do I still regret selling some of it to this day.
It is your own business where you invest your money but I doubt you could make profit by selling your x1000 later.
Ya I said that too to justify selling some amiga stuff in the past and I can tell you first hand that it ALWAYS cost me more later to buy the same stuff I sold. I'm pretty sure the X1000 lands into this area once it's out of production.
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Your'e only insane if you're not intrested in Amiga and want to buy the X1000.
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@ Amiga Nut
Check out Epsilon's great X1000 blog as there's awesome info for new users
http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=37678&forum=14&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0"
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If I had that kind of money to blow, I'd just keep saving for a Minimoog. That's a genuine time-tested classic that you can guarantee will only increase in value...
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Personally, I'd wait for the next iteration/offering. Where you choose to throw your cash down is up to you, and should you buy an X1000 I am sure you will enjoy it. I know I enjoy my SAM a heck of a lot.
That being said, I do find delusional thoughts in the minds of people spending $3000 on a machine that sure, they will use and enjoy, they also may feel it's an investment. I'll eat my hat if these machines ever become collectors items that garner more value than they initially did. It's not an Apple 1, after all. This is not a slam against the X1000 or any other NG offering, it's just a mere observance of the fact that computers (of any stripe) are essentially appliances now.
I would have ponied up the cash for an X1000, but they never offered them in motherboard only form (as ACube does). Should a successor come on the heels of the X1000, I certainly hope they offer a motherboard only option for people that prefer to build their own systems (like myself).
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It looks cool, but it's too expensive for me.
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Awesome! Do it quickly before the Morphos trolls talk you out of it ;)
P.S. If I had the money I'd buy one too.
I don't appreciate that Kesa, because I agree.
If he has the funds, go for it!
Its a seriously cool design.
AmigaDave almost talked me into buying one (he has an X1000 running Amiga OS 4.1 AND a PowerMac G5 running MorphOS).
In the end, my financial situation prevented me from considering it.
Its THE machine to have when AOS 4.2 is released.
And when Trevor releases its successor, I may buy an A-eon system anyway (price be damned).
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If I had that kind of money to blow, I'd just keep saving for a Minimoog. That's a genuine time-tested classic that you can guarantee will only increase in value...
I'm with you there. I have the spare $$$ to buy a lot of things, I just live in a small house with no room to have it all set up. My Amiga stuff is all in storage. :(
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If you are considering it, now is a good time to get your AmigaOne X1000 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1071) computer as we are now regularly receiving packages from Varisys every week from the new batch #3, and they are being sold as they have come through the door. There is certainly an appetite for a modern, fast AmigaOS computer these days to compliment our collections of Classic Amigas.
The X1000 user base is growing and there are new customers who left the Amiga scene returning which is pleasing, as well as existing customers upgrading to the X1000.
Behind the scenes, It is a really tough and stressful task to commission new hardware, organise production runs and finance the high costs in our small market, but the emails from happy users make it worth it as well as seeing the AmigaOS community grow!
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That's what I like to hear! The more hardware sold the better AOS4.2 will be for sure! I'm hoping for some good news about OS4.X this year from AmiWest! ;)
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Depends. Usually with a thread like this people just have to point out why the x1000 is a bad idea. Like maybe reminding them that a G5 is dirt cheap and out performs the "overpriced" x1000.
I'll have you know, Kesa, that I was in contact with Paul Gentle (@Varisys) before it was even announced that they had designed the Nemo board.
The company that Trevor contracted for this design is truly first rate and I trust Paul's next designs will be equally interesting.
After all, even before the X1000 was released Paul told me that Freescale's Qorlq line was the product line to watch/consider for new designs.
And since he mentioned that, Freescale has introduced two new 64-bit cores in that lineup, one of which (the e6500 core) supports hyperthreading.
The top of the line T4240 runs at the same speed as the PA6T in the X1000, but has 24 virtual cores.
The e5500 based products Trevor is looking at run faster than the PA6T and feature two or four cores.
And Trevor has always stated that he'd like to see MorphOS support on these later designs.
With Ben Hermans out of the picture, that could just happen.
So, no, not all the "trolls" are going to trash A-eon's product line.
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If you've got the spare cash go for it. Wouldn't mind one myself but I believe selling a kidney is illegal in the UK. :)
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Only if you get caught ;P
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Only if you get caught ;P
:lol:
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If you've got the spare cash go for it. Wouldn't mind one myself but I believe selling a kidney is illegal in the UK. :)
I've heard some rumors about the German market for these...
(apologies to my German friends for the poke)
Actually, since I've wanted a Varisys designed Qorlq based system since before the X1000 was introduced, maybe its time to look for some chloroform and find someone for a "sleep over".
Kidneys anyone?
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Title says it all really, what does a man who has almost everything get next?
5 years from now when X1000s will be as rare as rocking horse doo-doo coated in crushed hens teeth it will make sense. Beyond CPU speed or driver issues or dog slow PS1 emulation (meaning you still can't play Wipeout 2097 a la PPC based A4000) it will be a unique computer. It will be just like my Memotech MTX512 and FDX disk expansion on my desk.
Yup I think I will get myself one for Xmas.....Jesus may weep but I will have a one of a kind super kooky machine just like last decade with my NEXT machines :)
Tempting isn't it?
Wanting one doesn't make you crazy... buying one could do, even could make you poor as well... hehe!
Cheers,
Dragster
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If you want your x1000 to retain it's value you should get the black case and not the white. I'd hate to see how grubby that shiney white case is going to be after 10-20 years...
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If you want your x1000 to retain it's value you should get the black case and not the white. I'd hate to see how grubby that shiney white case is going to be after 10-20 years...
Maybe at YOUR house! :razz:
(http://uglyhousephotos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/080818b.jpg)
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Maybe at YOUR house! :razz:
(http://uglyhousephotos.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/080818b.jpg)
OMFG :o
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I've been wanting one of these too for ages. I've got the cash, but no permanent home and hence no space for a lovely X1000.
Would love to support Trevor's immense efforts. Hopefully I'll be able to in the coming months.
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I've been wanting one of these too for ages. I've got the cash, but no permanent home and hence no space for a lovely X1000.
Would love to support Trevor's immense efforts. Hopefully I'll be able to in the coming months.
Actually I am thinking now....an X1000 is dirt cheap compared to a buffed up Amiga 4000D or A1200T which they can easily go for 5,000 USA dollars. So if I buy a brand new hardware that is super strong with specs for 3000 USA dollars it is nothing comparing to the 5000 dollars. In fact...I am intending to save up money for the X1000.
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Actually I am thinking now....an X1000 is dirt cheap compared to a buffed up Amiga 4000D or A1200T which they can easily go for 5,000 USA dollars. So if I buy a brand new hardware that is super strong with specs for 3000 USA dollars it is nothing comparing to the 5000 dollars. In fact...I am intending to save up money for the X1000.
Be careful to not break it. If you burn the mobo it is worth nothing.
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Be careful to not break it. If you burn the mobo it is worth nothing.
as a collector item it might not matter.
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Broken A4000s dont sell at 5000 USD.
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Broken A4000s dont sell at 5000 USD.
the a4k price on introduction was $3699.- according to the net, today it is equivalent of ~2724 eur.
in winter ive sold non refurbished but in good working condition a4k for about 400 eur.
now, without taking into account that a4k was more popular by at least few hundred times, it might give an assumed value of x1k in twenty years, given the devices would be still in a working condition by then.
im not sure if this is actually a good investment, except you want actually use your device;)
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3 times a week I just want to resell my Sam460 because apart from fetching emails and browsing a little I don't (or can't) do much with it. The good thing is its gonna be worth almost the original cost if I decide to do it.
That's Amiga hardware, classic or not :)
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3 times a week I just want to resell my Sam460 because apart from fetching emails and browsing a little I don't (or can't) do much with it. The good thing is its gonna be worth almost the original cost if I decide to do it.
That's Amiga hardware, classic or not :)
Since the SAM460 is already somewhat of a collectors item I know that I can sell it for pretty much what I paid for it. But I hold on to it 'cause AOS4.2 is due out. Let's see what that brings. Dose of reality though... IMHO the devs are kinda getting a gratis redux on AOS4.1. We know that the X1000 has a more horsepower to run AOS4.1 better than us SAM460 owners can. However, if we SAM460 owners get left in the dust as far as AOS4.2 performance goes and the devs only target X1000 performance enhancements, well, _______(you fill in the blanks here)_____. Just sayin. In the mean time, I'm staying positive 'cause there really are a lot of things I like about AOS4.1 and hoping for the best with AOS4.2!
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Since the SAM460 is already somewhat of a collectors item I know that I can sell it for pretty much what I paid for it. But I hold on to it 'cause AOS4.2 is due out.
Exactly my toughts (when i'm in a positive mood) i'm telling myself OS4.2 will be much better. All I want is to play at least 1 or 2 games using real 3D graphics and watch a DVD movie without crashing the system once in a while....
But frankly after the 4.2 update its gonna have to be a real improvement to convince me not to get my 1200$ back....
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Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?
That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!
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Well if Acube release a new computer/mobo better than the 460 that cost roughly the same price you better sure that you'll not sell yours at the price you wish. You better keep it or sell it now, but as many wait for Amiwest announcement it's maybe or maybe not too late. Kamelito
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Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?
That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!
I think the biggest issue will be pure CPU power.
The PA6T running on one core already holds an advantage.
If Hyperion gets SMP or ASMP working the X1000 will have two core to the Samantha's one.
Then again,m the next top of the line A-eon board is supposed to be a four core based system.
To all you naysayers, you may think I myself and other MorphOS fanatics are somewhat elitist. But we've been following this closely since it was first announced.
I had an inkling who was behind it before it was announced.
AND its successor will use components that stimulate me in a most unnatural way (considering we are just talking computer hardware).
Hey, why are so many of you down about this?
Yeah, its been expensive (but as was pointed out, no worse than the A4000 used to be).
And WE WON!
We have three NG OS.
New hardware and alternative platforms for the economy minded.
And Bill McEwen isn't making a cent off of us.
Pretty damned cool and a tribute the the power of our collective devotion.
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People still talking about this motherboards (x1000, sams) like real amigas...
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Hold on there for a second. Are you telling me that OS 4.1 between SAM440 and X1000 in terms of development is a huge difference like say between developing for kickstart 3.1,AGA 68030 verses say on an Amiga 500 kickstart 1.3, OCS?
That software developers could easily target for X1000 while both SAM440 and X1000 run OS 4.1 that the program will fail to run on SAM440 and will only run on X1000 that...in the end the developers need to develop for two separate platforms as if you are developing the same game for xBox 360 and PS 3? Because if what you are saying is true....then not only is that awesome....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!
Um yes! Happens all the time! I just sayin that I hope the SAM motherboards have not already fallen off the AOS4.X dev radar! There's already quite a disparity between the X1000 and the SAM. Especially with add on boards. Do the devs account for that? Maybe to a certain degree - it's more up to the add on boards devs to meet AOS4.X minimum requirements. Which ain't gonna happen 'cause ya gotta remember, NG systems use off the shelf commodity boards that need software created for them... this has all been discussed a thousand times.
As far as software (games, apps, whatever...) development for AOS4.X goes, the minimum requirements can and will change (it's the devs discretion) but I doubt programming for the API would change much. Look, I'm not an Amiga programmer, and you devs keep your cards very close to your chest these days (and we all know why - even though the community begs for announcements) but there's a big difference between AOS4.X hardware compatibility development and software for AOS4.x development.
I'm just hoping us older NG mobo owners don't get left behind in the outdated bitbucket (I know all about going where the money is) especially the SAM460 as it's not that old. :razz: And I'm not trying to go into some devs backyard and pick a fight here... just hoping for the best for MY NG board. Ya, I'm selfish like that... LOL
Anyways, here's to some AOS4.2 performance announcements at AmiWest! :pint:
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Exactly my toughts (when i'm in a positive mood) i'm telling myself OS4.2 will be much better. All I want is to play at least 1 or 2 games using real 3D graphics and watch a DVD movie without crashing the system once in a while....
But frankly after the 4.2 update its gonna have to be a real improvement to convince me not to get my 1200$ back....
This is what happens when the people with the "name" legacy decided to follow stupid developmental paths. Specifically, spending all the years of time and resources on porting to exotic ppc hardware instead of porting/creating games and applications and porting crucial technologies to amiga os.
But as you can tell from this thread and others the fanboys are happy as about 80% of them with NG hardware do exactly like you, barely turn it on. One guy even said he just turns it on to do updates then puts it back int he closet. thats a good one.
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But as you can tell from this thread and others the fanboys are happy as about 80% of them with NG hardware do exactly like you, barely turn it on. One guy even said he just turns it on to do updates then puts it back int he closet. thats a good one.
That's very sad, all retro hardware (even the NG stuff) should be used regularly, if you don't use it (and enjoy using it!) then you might as well sell it and let someone else get some fun out of it.
My A1200 get's turned on almost every evening :)
I was running Elude's 'Shake Off the Dust' last night with my new full screen mode (Indivision Mrk2) and it was awesome to watch :)
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That's very sad, all retro hardware (even the NG stuff) should be used regularly, if you don't use it (and enjoy using it!) then you might as well sell it and let someone else get some fun out of it.
My A1200 get's turned on almost every evening :)
I was running Elude's 'Shake Off the Dust' last night with my new full screen mode (Indivision Mrk2) and it was awesome to watch :)
It sure is sad. Lots of "hoarders" even with NG stuff. It seems alot of fanboys just want the ng system in their sigs for credit in the amiga forums then you go on their ibook or windows computers and troll against morphos and stuff haha
and yes I LOVE watching Demos on my a1200. I have a fast dual core laptop that runs latest Amiga forever, which is a good platform to watch amiga demos, but seeing the demos on the real thing on rgb monitors is the best!
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....but as a developer I could easily enjoy this :laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1::laugh1:!!!
You know, I hear ya! And I owe you an apology... I heard what ya said but I was focused on my 460 so sorry for seeming defensive with my reply with your entire post quoted. But I would like to respond to your partial quote above , I really respect AOS4 devs who stick with it. I mean, it's gotta be exasperating being rubberman with one arm pulled on by ACube and the other by AEon. I'm not gonna go all full cheese omelet in this post as to why all this is but, I would like to say this... "We appreciate your talent Sir, May the AmiForce be with you!"
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It sure is sad. Lots of "hoarders" even with NG stuff. It seems alot of fanboys just want the ng system in their sigs for credit in the amiga forums then you go on their ibook or windows computers and troll against morphos and stuff haha
and yes I LOVE watching Demos on my a1200. I have a fast dual core laptop that runs latest Amiga forever, which is a good platform to watch amiga demos, but seeing the demos on the real thing on rgb monitors is the best!
I don't know about others Mag, but if I had the cash for such expensive hardware I'd be using it.
But, since we've exchanged messages before, I'm sure you're aware that I stick with my "lowly" PPC based Macs which are serving reasonably well.
While I understand your positive on the ISA, I'm not sure what Amiga or Amiga-likw OS' would bring to the X86 "table".
No SMP, a 1.5 GB memory limit, limited hardware selection?
Doesn't sound very competitive to me.
I'm using MorphOS, not AROS.
And the odd part is I know you've used MorphOS yourself.
While I know you advocate an ISA change, that doesn't negate the value that these new PPC systems have.
For one thing, their resale value definitely seems better than an X86 system.
Oh, and btw, I threw away my last CRT based monitors.
Too bulky.
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People still talking about this motherboards (x1000, sams) like real amigas...
Well, lets see, those two systems run Amiga OS 4.1 which was developed from Amiga OS 3.1.
They have the legal right to call them AmigaOne computers.
You maybe hung up on legacy hardware, but my main use for my A2000 these days is to hold ISA breadboard cards as a convenient source of power and a useful backplane.
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BTW guys anyone interested in X1000 might want to buy this guys:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/classifieds/index.php?pa=viewannonces&lid=3204
He is in Poland and looks like you could save a couple of bucks with a used one?
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BTW guys anyone interested in X1000 might want to buy this guys:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/classifieds/index.php?pa=viewannonces&lid=3204
He is in Poland and looks like you could save a couple of bucks with a used one?
Expensive, but no wait for delivery.
Thanks Mag.
But as you know, I'm a dedicated MorphOS user.
If A-eon's next products support both MorphOS and AOS 4.2 then maybe..
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BTW guys anyone interested in X1000 might want to buy this guys:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/classifieds/index.php?pa=viewannonces&lid=3204
He is in Poland and looks like you could save a couple of bucks with a used one?
i think he is trying to do exactly what people are talking about here, to sell used item for a price of a new one. doesnt seem getting far with it.
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Well, lets see, those two systems run Amiga OS 4.1 which was developed from Amiga OS 3.1.
so what? why is this being hammered on every time? morphos and aros are implementing the same api, the same features and extend on that, thats exactly the same what happens on os4 one way or another. os4 may or may not be based on the genuine sources (we dont know for fact) but crucial elements as exec are foreign (as its been claimed). does that matter? does windows8 have to contain windows 3.1 code to be called windows?
They have the legal right to call them AmigaOne computers.
exactly. as in, i dont call aros "amiga" when i run it on my amigas, its still aros. and im fine with it to be amiga compatible.
You maybe hung up on legacy hardware, but my main use for my A2000 these days is to hold ISA breadboard cards as a convenient source of power and a useful backplane.
thats fine, to each his own. still, what you consider source of power, is actually called amiga. and then you use morphos, which is fine too, so why dont you claim it to be "amiga" i wonder..
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Anyways, here's to some AOS4.2 performance announcements at AmiWest! :pint:
be sure to have tons of announcements there, as essential as every year before. smp ,pardon some sort of "multicore support", gallium, warp3d, netbooks, cooperation, os4.2, open office, final firefox port,... thats what the whole amiwest is for, in the end.
of all things ever announced on amiwest, only x1k came actually true so far i remember. thanks trevor. now it looks like it is becoming a linux machine.
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...Beyond CPU speed or driver issues or dog slow PS1 emulation (meaning you still can't play Wipeout 2097 a la PPC based A4000) i...
Wooot?? An A1200 surely can play Wipeout 2097 smoothly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzlzeAya34Q) :).
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i think he is trying to do exactly what people are talking about here, to sell used item for a price of a new one. doesnt seem getting far with it.
The price of a new one (AFAIK it is still possible to order new ones) is said to be ~$3,000 USD. This guy is asking ~$4,000 USD (€3,000 EUR) for his used one sold as second hand. It seems he is expecting to earn a thousand bucks from letting a computer get a little older. :lol:
The only thing that would be more hillarious would be if someone actually bought it!
:)
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The price of a new one (AFAIK it is still possible to order new ones) is said to be ~$3,000 USD. This guy is asking ~$4,000 USD (€3,000 EUR) for his used one sold as second hand. It seems he is expecting to earn a thousand bucks from letting a computer get a little older. :lol:
The only thing that would be more hillarious would be if someone actually bought it!
:)
:nervous:
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I just thought perhaps that X1000 is way more cheaper than say this ---> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Powerful-Amiga1200Tower-BPPC-SPECIAL-EDITION-WORLDWIDE-FREE-SHIPPING-/261302306120?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item3cd6d4c548
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Regarding a purchase: I remember panicking when we were going to the boXer then we were going Linux.
I will get a lot of use out of a minimig or FPGArcade right now, so that is what I will buy.
If you could get motherboard plus 2ghz or higher CPU for $600 I would buy it in a snap.
There is no mass production here, so it is not likely to happen.
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I just thought perhaps that X1000 is way more cheaper than say this ---> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Powerful-Amiga1200Tower-BPPC-SPECIAL-EDITION-WORLDWIDE-FREE-SHIPPING-/261302306120?pt=US_Vintage_Computers_Mainframes&hash=item3cd6d4c548
ah, another too expensive ppc machine with almost no software to justify any actual use. perfect example to underline what we are talking about.
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This guy is asking ~$4,000 USD (€3,000 EUR) for his used one sold as second hand.
:)
the machine, so far i have been aware of him posting about it, was barely used. he was so disappointed with it, or at least acted as such, that it is safe to assume, it must be as good as new. what concerns price, i think he is just trying his chances seeing how the community works, namely if there are people who prepay 3000$ systems months in advance, why wouldnt anyone pay 4000$ for immediate delivery. i think he is perfectly entiteled to do so and also i think he acts honestly. if he was for scam, he wouldnt badmouth the product he wants to sell so much in advance.
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The X1000 user base is growing and there are new customers who left the Amiga scene returning which is pleasing, as well as existing customers upgrading to the X1000.
Nice feedback there Amigakit :hammer:
Keep up the good work :pint:
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the machine, so far i have been aware of him posting about it, was barely used. he was so disappointed with it, or at least acted as such, that it is safe to assume, it must be as good as new.
Still it's second hand and not new. A new one should (besides being new) also be ~$1,000 cheaper. :lol:
I have no problems at all with second hand HW personally. Most of the OS4 crowd obviously does however, judging from all those "but its not new" comments as soon as someone talks about second hand Mac's for MorphOS. And this X1000 is second hand. At 33% overprice compared to the already insane price for new, unused ones. I just find this amusing, that's all! :)
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Price of items is based on what people are ready to pay. So far selling Amiga hardware high price (classic or not) does not seem to be a problem since there is buyers willing to pay.
As for myself I wish the announcements will be worth it, I really want to use my SAM460 for more but when you have been using windows for the past 5 years using AmigaOS seems so much trouble for simple tasks. Or maybe I just lost my fanboy attributes...
I chose the 460 instead of the X1000 back then because of the price. I was willing to put around 1200$ to get a new Amiga but not more. I don't regret it since the X1000 doesn't do anything more at the moment. The software is just not there... Bring me user friendly and fully working software!!! :)
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The price of a new one (AFAIK it is still possible to order new ones) is said to be ~$3,000 USD.
:)
Yes, the AmigaOne X1000 (http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071) is still available and in stock here:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071
@Delta
There is ongoing development into AmigaOne X1000 software recently, a notable release from A-EON will be LibreOffice which is progressing despite it being a very large software devlopment project.
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@Delta
There is ongoing development into AmigaOne X1000 software recently, a notable release from A-EON will be LibreOffice which is progressing despite it being a very large software devlopment project.
Oh I have no doubt there is progress on software, i'm just a spoiled brat that wants everything done yesterday ;)
But seriously, also having to reboot my Amiga 2-3 times a day for crashed software does not help loving it much either...
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@Delta
I know, I think we are all like that because we love using the Amiga in preference to other platforms, and we all wish we could do *everything* on our Amigas...
Personally speaking, the LibreOffice and Timberwolf are two major steps forward in that quest.
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@Delta
I know, I think we are all like that because we love using the Amiga in preference to other platforms, and we all wish we could do *everything* on our Amigas...
Personally speaking, the LibreOffice and Timberwolf are two major steps forward in that quest.
Hey Amigakit...I just want to ask one question.....what is the potential rate here between 0% to 100% that WINE for linux and Mac can be ported into AmigaOS 4.1?
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WINE for linux and Mac can be ported into AmigaOS 4.1?
what do you want to do with wine on ppc?
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what do you want to do with wine on ppc?
Guess? Like play my favorite MMORPG game for example, run Windows apps and games...you know...that stuff...
By the way do not go through that route of...if you wants windows stuff using Windows....road...you know as well as I do..or maybe you do not know...that WINE actually helps and not hurts. For example, I am download crossover...if crossover works 100% better than WINE and it can run 60% of the applications I want in Windows in Linux and my favourite linux Distro....I would drop windows in a heart beat and go for Linux and I will be an official 100% linux user. So now Linux have a new customer...why? I do not have to deal with spyware, adware, hacking, viruses and paying fortune for applications...I can use linux free applications and my favorite games or applications that are free and really free in windows like MMORPG games and so on...I can enjoy them in Linux.
I do not have to deal with horrible file system of Windows...worry about new policy of Microsoft and be stuck with horrible user interface of windows 8 and deal with constant windows upgrade...and purchases because Microsoft no longer supports OS in favor of the new one....
By giving people the freedom to use their favorite apps that do not exist in other platforms through WINE or crossover...you are liberating people and giving them choices instead of being forced to be stuck in Windows..and then these unknown OS will be more known and more users will come to them because they know if they move platforms they STILL CAN USE their favorite apps and games....
Same concept as Amiga Clone actually could have helped old classic Amiga...
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last time i checked wine was not an emulator. it will not turn your ppc cpu into a x86 to run windows applications. you would probably, just probably, be able to run some windows_nt ppc software (if there actually is any). besides if you want to run windows software there is much faster and cheaper dedicated hardware for that system. why do you need to bend an expensive and unique os4 system to do these tasks, really?
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That is not going to work. WINE is only a compatibility layer to run Windows software on other operating system. There is no CPU emulation and even if there was it would be tricky because Windows software is little endian but WINE is using native endianess.
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last time i checked wine was not an emulator. it will not turn your ppc cpu into a x86 to run windows applications. you would probably, just probably, be able to run some windows_nt ppc software (if there actually is any). besides if you want to run windows software there is much faster and cheaper dedicated hardware for that system. why do you need to bend an expensive and unique os4 system to do these tasks, really?
LOL!! I just explained everything to you already in the previous post in hopes to avoid the very same thing you just said right now...but I guess it did not work.
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LOL!! I just explained everything to you already in the previous post in hopes to avoid the very same thing you just said right now...but I guess it did not work.
I guess you still miss the main thing about WINE. If WINE was available for OS4 on PPC it would yield you exactly nothing as _not_a_single_ Windows (x86) application would actually run. WINE is no emulator but an API wrapper. x86 code on a ppc just will not work. Period. On a non x86 system there's no other solution to run Windows x86 applications than to emulate hardware. You can do this for example with Bochs, but it's rather slow.
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you would probably, just probably, be able to run some windows_nt ppc software (if there actually is any).
Not a chance. WINE is a compatibility layer. It doesnt have endianess swapping built-in and PPC native Windows software is little endian. WINE on AmigaOS would be big endian.
You could port existing open sourced Windows software to Amiga using WINE as a compatibility layer. It was done on PPC native OS X long ago. Another question is if WINE can be ported to Amiga at all. I suspect there is too much *nix in WINE.
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I guess you still miss the main thing about WINE. If WINE was available for OS4 on PPC it would yield you exactly nothing as _not_a_single_ Windows (x86) application would actually run. WINE is no emulator but an API wrapper. x86 code on a ppc just will not work. Period. On a non x86 system there's no other solution to run Windows x86 applications than to emulate hardware. You can do this for example with Bochs, but it's rather slow.
So what you are saying then is...that X1000 should have it's own software library pretty much the same as SNES have it's own library verses say Nintendo 64 have it's own library?
Is it possible for WINE to work on AROS then?
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Title says it all really, what does a man who has almost everything get next?
5 years from now when X1000s will be as rare as rocking horse doo-doo coated in crushed hens teeth it will make sense. Beyond CPU speed or driver issues or dog slow PS1 emulation (meaning you still can't play Wipeout 2097 a la PPC based A4000) it will be a unique computer. It will be just like my Memotech MTX512 and FDX disk expansion on my desk.
Yup I think I will get myself one for Xmas.....Jesus may weep but I will have a one of a kind super kooky machine just like last decade with my NEXT machines :)
Well, I have recently got one - AmigaOS in 1920x1080, 7.1 sound, 2GB FAST RAM running on Radeon 6800 HD series card ... It will be rarity but useful one. Linux 12.04 LTS with Libre does greatly what AmigaOS can‚t at the moment and uses both cores, 3D accel and sees beyond 2GB RAM and 256MB VRAM (chip) :-)
Only reason why you can‚t run WIpeout 2097 is that warpos.library and powerpc.library haven‚t been updated since original AmigaOne days and don‚t work on X1000. Haven‚t installed PS1 emulator, but if it can‚t be done under OS4, can under Linux. Hope AOS will quickly use the board to the full, since I paid for that OS 4.2 license too, in advance :hammer:
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If I think buying an X1000 is a bad idea, that automatically makes me a troll? ;-)
People decide what they do with their own money and desires. I could buy new MacPro, but picked X1000, because its most advanced Amiga like system I can have. By using very nice Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, many of AmigaOS shortcomings can be covered on same machine.
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People decide what they do with their own money and desires. I could buy new MacPro, but picked X1000, because its most advanced Amiga like system I can have. By using very nice Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, many of AmigaOS shortcomings can be covered on same machine.
Each to their own of course but if you want to run Ubuntu you could get exactly the same experience (well probably an even better experience) for less money with a x86 box and an Amiga sticker.
I don't really see the point of buying an NG Amiga and then running Unix on it, I know of one X1000 owner who uses Unix almost exclusively on his X1000.
It's like they're saying that OS4 is not up to the job so you're better off with running some other OS on your OS4 machine, this seems very strange to me.
I think Commodore did something similar with the classics back-in-day when they released x86 daughter boards for the 68k computers, also very strange IMHO.
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That is not going to work. WINE is only a compatibility layer to run Windows software on other operating system. There is no CPU emulation and even if there was it would be tricky because Windows software is little endian but WINE is using native endianess.
Wine + qemu would work though. I tried that years ago when I first got my A1-XE (under Linux), and it sort-of worked. I got stuff to run, but all the software that I wanted to run had at least one DLL that WINE was missing at the time.
Of course, if you're going to use qemu, then you could get better compatibility using full system emulation and installing Windows itself. Then your biggest problem would be the emulation overhead...
Hans
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Another question is if WINE can be ported to Amiga at all. I suspect there is too much *nix in WINE.
IMHO, a WINE port to AmigaOS would be closer to a rewrite than a port. After all, WINE maps Windows APIs to their *nix equivalents, and a port would have to remap them to AmigaOS equivalents.
Hans
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Each to their own of course but if you want to run Ubuntu you could get exactly the same experience (well probably an even better experience) for less money with a x86 box and an Amiga sticker.
I don't really see the point of buying an NG Amiga and then running Unix on it, I know of one X1000 owner who uses Unix almost exclusively on his X1000.
It's like they're saying that OS4 is not up to the job so you're better off with running some other OS on your OS4 machine, this seems very strange to me.
I think Commodore did something similar with the classics back-in-day when they released x86 daughter boards for the 68k computers, also very strange IMHO.
Isn't it exactly what they are saying? That OS 4.1 is indeed not up to the job? Even running games and MMORPG it is not up to the job...that we need PORTS from outside.....that we need different OS.....might as will avoid OS 4.1 and X1000 all together and get yourself an x86 and windows.......
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go figure..
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go figure..
:biglaugh:
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Each to their own of course but if you want to run Ubuntu you could get exactly the same experience (well probably an even better experience) for less money with a x86 box and an Amiga sticker.
I don't really see the point of buying an NG Amiga and then running Unix on it, I know of one X1000 owner who uses Unix almost exclusively on his X1000.
It's like they're saying that OS4 is not up to the job so you're better off with running some other OS on your OS4 machine, this seems very strange to me.
I think Commodore did something similar with the classics back-in-day when they released x86 daughter boards for the 68k computers, also very strange IMHO.
Well, handling modern documents, having complete modern Firefox and so on from software side is bonus. Not that I don`t have it on Linux Mint on x86 laptop, but its nice its the same apps I do know on Linux (and can use as open source software even on Windows if I would like to)
And plus full utilization of hardware to the full (3D of RadeonHd, over 2GB RAM, dual core).
I am not saying I have bought X1000 to run AmigaOS 4, but that most things people joke about on OS4 (e.g. $2000 machine and not even a decent browser ...) can meanwhile be solved by dual boot. On same $2000 machine.
Looking forward to see and feel OS 4.2 as that was OS that was supposed to go with X1000 :-)
For example, this I can do from OS 4.1.6 and TW - forum reading.
I am not sure about your last comment. x86 emulator was presented with Amiga 1000, see Amiga Premiere video on You Tube / Amiga Forever bonus DVD. Idea was to provide acess to some mainstream apps that did not exist for Amiga - that is only similarity. Its not the OS that is not to the task, its simple lack of apps in some areas
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That is what they are saying. Its NOT "up for the job" however, morphos is almost "up for the job" And why is that you ask? Because MORPHOS DEVELOPERS SPENT MORE TIME ON SOFTWARE THAN STUPID EXOTIC HARDWARE PORTS. Simple.
And the sad and stupid part is that they STILL have this model for development.
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I am not sure about your last comment. x86 emulator was presented with Amiga 1000, see Amiga Premiere video on You Tube / Amiga Forever bonus DVD. Idea was to provide acess to some mainstream apps that did not exist for Amiga - that is only similarity. Its not the OS that is not to the task, its simple lack of apps in some areas
I mean that (to me at least), it makes more sense for company to put the effort into providing the 'missing' applications so they run natively on their OS rather than building a daughter board to run their competitors OS and applications.
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I mean that (to me at least), it makes more sense for company to put the effort into providing the 'missing' applications so they run natively on their OS rather than building a daughter board to run their competitors OS and applications.
LOL!!!!!!!!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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I mean that (to me at least), it makes more sense for company to put the effort into providing the 'missing' applications so they run natively on their OS rather than building a daughter board to run their competitors OS and applications.
It costs orders of magnitudes more time and money to write those missing applications than to create the daughter-board. Offering your customers access to a competitor's applications while your own application library is still growing can be a good strategy.
BTW, when I bought my A1-XE, I couldn't justify spending that much money on just a hobby. Being able to use linux software for school/work was one of the deciding factors at the time. It meant that it wasn't just an expensive toy, but something that served a dual purpose.
Hans
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@vox
Well, I have recently got one - AmigaOS ... 2GB FAST RAM ... Radeon 6800 HD series card
I am not saying I have bought X1000 to run AmigaOS 4, but that most things people joke about on OS4 (e.g. $2000 machine and not even a decent browser ...) can meanwhile be solved by dual boot. On same $2000 machine.
Then you should know better than anyone that it doesn't cost $2000. That system is over $3000 (which probably doesn't include tax or shipping (I think it's difficult to find info about that on amigakits webshop)).
Or $4000 if you don't want to wait up to a half a year and is going for the Polish second hand market instead! :lol:
... what AmigaOS can‚t at the moment and uses both cores, 3D accel and sees beyond 2GB RAM and 256MB VRAM (chip) :-)
And plus full utilization of hardware to the full (3D of RadeonHd, over 2GB RAM, dual core).
Looking forward to see and feel OS 4.2 as that was OS that was supposed to go with X1000 :-)
Yeah... SMP, >2GB RAM, etc...
:)
Well, "Amiwest" will be more exciting than ever this year, won't it? (Like every year! :lol:)
;)
... but picked X1000, because its most advanced Amiga like system I can have.
Oh really now?
:whack:
:lol:
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Yes, the AmigaOne X1000 (http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071) is now available and in stock here:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1071
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I could buy new MacPro, but picked X1000, because its most advanced Amiga like system I can have.
Not even close. AROS running on that new Mac Pro would be "most advanced Amiga like system" you could buy.
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I don't really see the point of buying an NG Amiga and then running Unix on it, I know of one X1000 owner who uses Unix almost exclusively on his X1000.
Really? That's totally insane.
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Really? That's totally insane.
guys really installing Linux on any NG Miggy is just like installing an emulator on a classic...you do it to mess around and get it working and basically I do it because I can and like experimenting with stuff. I bought every one of my Amiga & Amiga like systems to use my favourite OS & trust me that's not Linux:razz:
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Is it possible for WINE to work on AROS then?
On AROS x86 a proper port of WINE would probably work (much work however and hence not too likely to happen).
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X1000 results on Ubuntu 12.04 LTS PPC64
http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1310106-AR-AMIGAONE027
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guys really installing Linux on any NG Miggy is just like installing an emulator on a classic...you do it to mess around and get it working and basically I do it because I can and like experimenting with stuff. I bought every one of my Amiga & Amiga like systems to use my favourite OS & trust me that's not Linux:razz:
No, you don't understand! The person I'm talking about apparently uses Unix almost exclusively. It's basically an X1000 bought to run Unix!
Emus on classics can be useful if the emulated system is light enough.
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Yep emulation can be lots of fun, I like to play old Spectrum and C64 games on my Classic when the mood takes me but I'm not into running a whole different OS (eg ShapeShifter) just so that I could play a port of Wolfenstein 3D or use some paint program. It would be much better if someone went to the trouble of coding a native Amiga port so I could play that instead :)
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Wow! Lots of replies here!
I read through the thread earlier and there was a few comments about "it's not really worth it" and I would like to address that.
When you go off the track of common garden variety products then the price reflects low availability and bespoke/uniqueness of the vehicle. I recently paid £6000 for a car just 2 years younger than my original Amiga 1000. I decided to call that car Christine because nobody in my family could understand why I would buy a 1988 tail happy RWD car with a ridiculously large engine (about the size of a Ford Escort) and excessive over engineered etc. However to me it is the only car that does what it does and I'd rather be soaked in petrol and set fire to than drive some crap 'modern' euro box with no character and just well as pleasant as a motorway service station dinner.
It's the same with the x1000. I felt the need to have a machine to run OS4. It doesn't have to play 1080p video (I can live with a PC + Zoomplayer + Vistacodecpack). In fact all it has to do is pretty much just switch on and run OS4 programs. If I can one day use it to run my basic web pages I design (nothing more modern than HTML of 2001) and NOT GET VIRUSED TO DEATH ON A DAILY BASIS then it serves its purpose.
So you see, for me value is a relative thing and that's all I can say. I didn't get the original AmigaONE last decade and regret it, as the x1000s are still around new today then it means I can actually experience buying a new computer that isn't Windows or Mac. I didn't want cup holders in my car or an engine that turns off at the traffic lights or tries to steer and power the same axle on the car and I had to pay through the nose for a very very old car....but then it is unique and well it will not be as annoying as a 'modern car'. Same difference with the x1000 vs latest PC %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!box. Speaking of PCs....isn't anyone else getting pissed off that the i7 is NOT going down in price even after all these years...AMD COME BACK, WE NEED YOU TO JAM A STICK UP INTEL'S ASS TO KEEP PRICES LOW!
So that will be an extra comfy straight jacket and one x1000 for Xmas please Santa :)
PS The MOS comments, I don't have a problem with MOS at all but a MOS Mac and an x1000 are completely different machines to me and neither affects the purchase of the other, if need be I would have both. If MOS for Mac G5 is finished I will purchase a licence for that too and a G5 Mac to run it on but not before G5 distro is released.
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PS The MOS comments, I don't have a problem with MOS at all but a MOS Mac and an x1000 are completely different machines to me and neither affects the purchase of the other, if need be I would have both. If MOS for Mac G5 is finished I will purchase a licence for that too and a G5 Mac to run it on but not before G5 distro is released.
G5 support has been out for some time now.. afaik.
If you want to run os4 its probably the best platform for it. If only the software was worked on it could be a viable alternative platform.
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Wow! Lots of replies here!
I read through the thread earlier and there was a few comments about "it's not really worth it" and I would like to address that.
When you go off the track of common garden variety products then the price reflects low availability and bespoke/uniqueness of the vehicle. I recently paid £6000 for a car just 2 years younger than my original Amiga 1000. I decided to call that car Christine because nobody in my family could understand why I would buy a 1988 tail happy RWD car with a ridiculously large engine (about the size of a Ford Escort) and excessive over engineered etc. However to me it is the only car that does what it does and I'd rather be soaked in petrol and set fire to than drive some crap 'modern' euro box with no character and just well as pleasant as a motorway service station dinner.
It's the same with the x1000. I felt the need to have a machine to run OS4. It doesn't have to play 1080p video (I can live with a PC + Zoomplayer + Vistacodecpack). In fact all it has to do is pretty much just switch on and run OS4 programs. If I can one day use it to run my basic web pages I design (nothing more modern than HTML of 2001) and NOT GET VIRUSED TO DEATH ON A DAILY BASIS then it serves its purpose.
So you see, for me value is a relative thing and that's all I can say. I didn't get the original AmigaONE last decade and regret it, as the x1000s are still around new today then it means I can actually experience buying a new computer that isn't Windows or Mac. I didn't want cup holders in my car or an engine that turns off at the traffic lights or tries to steer and power the same axle on the car and I had to pay through the nose for a very very old car....but then it is unique and well it will not be as annoying as a 'modern car'. Same difference with the x1000 vs latest PC %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!box. Speaking of PCs....isn't anyone else getting pissed off that the i7 is NOT going down in price even after all these years...AMD COME BACK, WE NEED YOU TO JAM A STICK UP INTEL'S ASS TO KEEP PRICES LOW!
So that will be an extra comfy straight jacket and one x1000 for Xmas please Santa :)
PS The MOS comments, I don't have a problem with MOS at all but a MOS Mac and an x1000 are completely different machines to me and neither affects the purchase of the other, if need be I would have both. If MOS for Mac G5 is finished I will purchase a licence for that too and a G5 Mac to run it on but not before G5 distro is released.
The last two releases of MorphOS have supported G5's.
The 2.7GHz Dual Processor model wipes the floor with the X1000.
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And a x86 modern cpu completely wipes the floor with a G5.
Kind of irelevant though for MOS fans though seeing as MOS doesnt run on that hardware. (see any sort or parallel there?)
As for buying an X1000, the only sane reason a person would buy one is if they want one. On mass it wont retain its value in 25 years time the way the classics have, but if you're buying for an investment you're barking up the wrong tree anyway.
Buy one if you want to use it. No need to try to justify it. Not everyone will want to spend thousands on a machine whose specs are matched, and beaten by the sort of pc you'll find in the dumpster, just so they can run a particular OS, but if a person is inclined then far be it for anyone else to tell them they shouldnt.
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And a x86 modern cpu completely wipes the floor with a G5.
Kind of irelevant though for MOS fans though seeing as MOS doesnt run on that hardware. (see any sort or parallel there?)
As for buying an X1000, the only sane reason a person would buy one is if they want one. On mass it wont retain its value in 25 years time the way the classics have, but if you're buying for an investment you're barking up the wrong tree anyway.
Buy one if you want to use it. No need to try to justify it. Not everyone will want to spend thousands on a machine whose specs are matched, and beaten by the sort of pc you'll find in the dumpster, just so they can run a particular OS, but if a person is inclined then far be it for anyone else to tell them they shouldnt.
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=87493&vpn=MBD-H8QG7-LN4F-O&manufacture=SuperMicro
Cough cough!
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Pardon?
What does a quad socket "server" board have to do with anything here?
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Pardon?
What does a quad socket "server" board have to do with anything here?
Just showing for dirt cheap you can buy a server compared to a 3k x1000.
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Does the quad server run OS4.1? Classic Amiga software? Read and write Amiga disks? Emulate multiple other computers? Or look cool as hell with a boing ball etched front panel?
I could buy three of them for the cost of my X1000 and they wouldn't do anything like the above. I think I'll just use my ZyXel $89 diskless server for my NAS needs. :-)
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Does the quad server run OS4.1? Classic Amiga software? Read and write Amiga disks? Emulate multiple other computers? Or look cool as hell with a boing ball etched front panel?
I could buy three of them for the cost of my X1000 and they wouldn't do anything like the above. I think I'll just use my ZyXel $89 diskless server for my NAS needs. :-)
I believe it can do all of that, except OS 4.1. Early revisions of 4.0 can be run on UAE.
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£2,199.95??? for this machine .Has everyone gone crazy? I could build it for half or quarter of the price if i sourced the parts myself.If only my hobbie was cheaper lol:roflmao:
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I believe it can do all of that, except OS 4.1. Early revisions of 4.0 can be run on UAE.
Early revisions of 4.0 ran on uae?. are those 68k based?
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@amiga_nut
What kind of car you got? 6k aint that much for a car. :-p
Wow! Lots of replies here!
I read through the thread earlier and there was a few comments about "it's not really worth it" and I would like to address that.
When you go off the track of common garden variety products then the price reflects low availability and bespoke/uniqueness of the vehicle. I recently paid £6000 for a car just 2 years younger than my original Amiga 1000. I decided to call that car Christine because nobody in my family could understand why I would buy a 1988 tail happy RWD car with a ridiculously large engine (about the size of a Ford Escort) and excessive over engineered etc. However to me it is the only car that does what it does and I'd rather be soaked in petrol and set fire to than drive some crap 'modern' euro box with no character and just well as pleasant as a motorway service station dinner.
It's the same with the x1000. I felt the need to have a machine to run OS4. It doesn't have to play 1080p video (I can live with a PC + Zoomplayer + Vistacodecpack). In fact all it has to do is pretty much just switch on and run OS4 programs. If I can one day use it to run my basic web pages I design (nothing more modern than HTML of 2001) and NOT GET VIRUSED TO DEATH ON A DAILY BASIS then it serves its purpose.
So you see, for me value is a relative thing and that's all I can say. I didn't get the original AmigaONE last decade and regret it, as the x1000s are still around new today then it means I can actually experience buying a new computer that isn't Windows or Mac. I didn't want cup holders in my car or an engine that turns off at the traffic lights or tries to steer and power the same axle on the car and I had to pay through the nose for a very very old car....but then it is unique and well it will not be as annoying as a 'modern car'. Same difference with the x1000 vs latest PC %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!box. Speaking of PCs....isn't anyone else getting pissed off that the i7 is NOT going down in price even after all these years...AMD COME BACK, WE NEED YOU TO JAM A STICK UP INTEL'S ASS TO KEEP PRICES LOW!
So that will be an extra comfy straight jacket and one x1000 for Xmas please Santa :)
PS The MOS comments, I don't have a problem with MOS at all but a MOS Mac and an x1000 are completely different machines to me and neither affects the purchase of the other, if need be I would have both. If MOS for Mac G5 is finished I will purchase a licence for that too and a G5 Mac to run it on but not before G5 distro is released.
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Early revisions of 4.0 ran on uae?. are those 68k based?
They were 68k based. There was a beta tester legion (about 150) who had OS 3.9 as base install and downloaded new 68k based 4.0 components from FTP when they were made available.
(I used to know OS4 beta tester who was eagerly testing 4.0 on his A1200 or A4000 and he didnt have PPC.)
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They were 68k based. There was a beta tester legion (about 150) who had OS 3.9 as base install and downloaded new 68k based 4.0 components from FTP when they were made available.
I do not suppose they are available now?
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I do not suppose they are available now?
I believe 68k builds were dropped when first A1 boots were successful in 2003 or so. Certainly not available for long time.
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I do not suppose they are available now?
and its better like that.
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and its better like that.
Why?
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They were 68k based. There was a beta tester legion (about 150) who had OS 3.9 as base install and downloaded new 68k based 4.0 components from FTP when they were made available.
(I used to know OS4 beta tester who was eagerly testing 4.0 on his A1200 or A4000 and he didnt have PPC.)
Yes, as well as some small components could be leeched later. But that is A-EONs away from what OS 4.x is today :-)
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails2.htm
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Why?
because a user does not necesarily needs to mess with buggy developer builds. amigas have a complete operating systems, which even gets improved as we speek. if you want to mess with developer builds i recommend aros 68k nightlies to you. more fun and it is not an abandoned work.
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If you want something really cheap to play around with, I've got a Chinese supplier that has a lot of neat pieces.
20 MHz Z-80s, static ram, etc
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@amiga_nut
What kind of car you got? 6k aint that much for a car. :-p
Ahh, edited too much in my post lol
It was a BMW 325i Sport (1988-89 classic model) and they used to cost about 3000-3500 a year ago for one in mint condition, and 3 years ago I picked one up for 1500 in reasonable condition. 10 years from now you probably won't be able to buy one unless you have something just as rare/cool to trade.
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@amiga_nut
What kind of car you got? 6k aint that much for a car. :-p
We were looking to replace our aging Toyota Tarago, just a regular mini-van, the RRP on a 2014 Tarago was AU$49K and the drive away price was AU$53K. So US$6K is pretty cheap....
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That's 6000 UK pounds sterling for a quarter century car that you could have picked up for 3000 last summer/autumn.
It's sort of like what happened to Amiga 3000/4000 systems over the last 18 months. I see 030 CPU cards now for the price 4000/030 machines were going for not that long ago.
Moral of the story, if you want something that is in limited supply and will only be owned by fanatics best to grab one when you can (this applies for anything IMO....even rubbish Atari STs haha)
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Bmw e30 is nice. I had a 86 320i almost 12 years ago. Nice car but a bit slow with 130hp.
Traded it for an e30m3.
Got a picture of the beauty? :)
Ahh, edited too much in my post lol
It was a BMW 325i Sport (1988-89 classic model) and they used to cost about 3000-3500 a year ago for one in mint condition, and 3 years ago I picked one up for 1500 in reasonable condition. 10 years from now you probably won't be able to buy one unless you have something just as rare/cool to trade.
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Yeah I never understood why there was 42bhp difference between the 320 and 325i, the 320 was not tuned for performance.
My dream car would have been a 325 with the 525e E28 engine conversion (2.7L) but I don't believe there are any left now. I almost got an M3 once in the late 90s, the small time dealer up the road had a white 2.2L original one for just £3999, they're like £15,000 now at least. They have much more get up n go, very different powertrain really but I love the sweet Ferrari like note of the 2.5 six cylinder when you stick a lovely Scorpion exhaust on it (no DTM tailpipes though please).
It's just a dolphin grey model with stock wheels (better ride) but crucially in the speed camera infested UK it has the on board computer not the analogue clock, so you get that beautiful chime like when calling the air hostess each time I go over 31mph in town *bliss* :)
It really reminds me of my Amiga 1000 days in the late 80s as I also just bought my first E30 a stock 325i SE and took the car and my Amiga 1000 abroad with me in the med for a year (and used both daily haha happy times eh)