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Title: About 'Piru'
Post by: rednova on September 21, 2013, 08:56:58 PM
Dear Friends:

I just looked at the whichamy tool on amiga 040 accel (on ebay)
and not only it shows the amiga version, it also says made by 'Piru'  !!!
I am so impressed !!! Dear Piru, I am really impressed at your
amiga programming skill !!!
Love !!!
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: wawrzon on September 21, 2013, 09:55:50 PM
yes, whichamiga is pirus program, whats so strange about it?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Bamiga2002 on September 21, 2013, 11:37:25 PM
(http://www.nwkite.com/forums/files/fry-not-sure-if-trolling_191.jpg)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: rvo_nl on September 21, 2013, 11:39:46 PM
I think he's serious. not many people know about the skills of some members here. Nothing wrong with showing some appreciation.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: XDelusion on September 21, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
Piru runs on a 24,000 Core PPC Based CPU from the future.  Little known fact. He make look flesh and blood like you and I, but he's not.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 22, 2013, 12:03:35 AM
Quote from: rvo_nl;748521
I think he's serious. not many people know about the skills of some members here. Nothing wrong with showing some appreciation.

Piru is no longer a member here due to the previous owner driving him (and other genius Amiga gurus) away over a year ago now.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: TjLaZer on September 22, 2013, 12:56:03 AM
Quote from: nicholas;748525
Piru is no longer a member here due to the previous owner driving him (and other genius Amiga gurus) away over a year ago now.


Would that be the likes of people like Piru, Doom Master and Franko? LOL
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: XDelusion on September 22, 2013, 01:01:50 AM
Quote from: nicholas;748525
Piru is no longer a member here due to the previous owner driving him (and other genius Amiga gurus) away over a year ago now.


Really?! I missed out on that one. Well at least we still have him at MorphOS Zone. :)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Akiko on September 22, 2013, 01:05:57 AM
It came a short time after this site had finally gottten some decent moderation, the excuse was Ted pulling the server down for a few hours but personally I seen rage quit comming.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: XDelusion on September 22, 2013, 01:19:28 AM
The thing is though is that there are still mean people here. As an example, Franko was  a smart ass, and brutal sometimes, but he was actually a nice guy (deep underneath it all), wth a great sense of humour. Yet he's gone for playing the court Jester, and others who are actually quite annoying all around, are still here.
 I miss the diversity that certain banned members brought to the table, regardless if I agreed with them fully or not. I thought that's what community was about? Not a place for people who all think and conduct them selves in the same manner, but people of diverse mannerisms and beliefs coming together for a mutual love or cause.

 Sighh... :/
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: commodorejohn on September 22, 2013, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;748533
The thing is though is that there are still mean people here. As an example, Franko was  a smart ass, and brutal sometimes, but he was actually a nice guy (deep underneath it all), which a great sense of humour. Yet he's gone for playing the court Jester, and others who are actually quite annoying all around, are still here.
 I miss the diversity that certain banned members brought to the table, regardless if I agreed with them fully or not. I thought that's what community was about? Not a place for people who all think and conduct them selves in the same manner, but people of diverse mannerisms and believes coming together for a mutual love or cause.

 Sighh... :/
Amen to that. This site has become a shadow of what it was even when I joined because so many of the interesting people have either been banned or chased off...while people who've revealed themselves to be far worse company overall are as present as ever...
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Bamiga2002 on September 22, 2013, 07:58:35 AM
Yeh,nothing wrong giving some thanks to Piru (or anyone) for a nice proggy :). I once called him personally just to thank for making BlizKick :)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: rvo_nl on September 22, 2013, 10:10:30 AM
Oh yeah, I had already forgotten Piru left the site (Im not here that much), but now I remember. Too bad, but there's still quite some good people (and programmers) left here.
 
Blizkick is awesome btw. I couldnt live without it.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: ShK on September 22, 2013, 10:47:12 AM
Why he left, what happened?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Bamiga2002 on September 22, 2013, 01:52:37 PM
Ted shutdown a.org server for childish reasons.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Fats on September 23, 2013, 09:41:16 AM
Quote from: ShK;748546
Why he left, what happened?


From what I remember Piru didn't trust the new owner and felt the owner was not honest about his motive for wanting to own amiga.org. He then asked to remove everything from him from this site.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 23, 2013, 09:47:47 AM
Quote from: Fats;748614
From what I remember Piru didn't trust the new owner and felt the owner was not honest about his motive for wanting to own amiga.org. He then asked to remove everything from him from this site.

Jens left for the same reason too.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 23, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
I doubt anybody, except Harry himself, has any real idea why he left.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: trekiej on September 23, 2013, 11:22:45 PM
What website is Piru on these days if any?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Duce on September 23, 2013, 11:56:50 PM
I miss Piru - very sharp fellow, that one.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: kickstart on September 24, 2013, 12:10:40 AM
Why not if left a.org all of us? no one likes the moderation or owners.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 24, 2013, 12:27:55 AM
Quote from: kickstart;748678
Why not if left a.org all of us? no one likes the moderation or owners.

Ted? I have no problem with him.
And he doesn't whine like Wayne was prone to.

Piru, if you're interested in contacting him, maintains a homepage.

https://www.sintonen.fi/

It also has a link to his software repository.

And I've had him respond to inquiries on MorphZone.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: commodorejohn on September 24, 2013, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: kickstart;748678
Why not if left a.org all of us? no one likes the moderation or owners.
Because I'm a stubborn bastard, that's why. I hung around on the Agony Booth forums until the bitter end even while the site owner was deliberately doing everything he could to drive people off the forums short of straight-up nuking them because he wanted to turn the site into a crap TGWTG knockoff and felt that time people spent having discussions on the forums was time they weren't spending watching the shıtty videos that were replacing the increasingly-lazy recaps. As much as I take issue with a lot of the crap that's happened here in the last couple years, we're nowhere near that point yet.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 24, 2013, 02:31:43 AM
I think you guys who are criticising the mods should give them a break. Remember that they are volunteers who don't get paid to babysit idiots who can't behave themselves. If anyone here isn't happy with how they do it volunteer and do it yourself.

The only problem i have with the mods is that they volunteer but never bother logging in or removing spam on the home page. But not really a big deal.

I'm also quick to point out that Piru quit this site because the previous owner shut this site down in protest about something. The new owner hasn't done anything like this at all. It's not fair to blame him for something he didn't do.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: rvo_nl on September 24, 2013, 05:46:41 AM
well said, I totally agree.
Title: About 'Karlos'
Post by: Kesa on September 24, 2013, 10:13:31 AM
While we are talking missing people where is Karlos?

This could be an opportunity to talk about him behind his back...  :razz:
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: yssing on September 24, 2013, 12:06:22 PM
I guess the moral of the story is "don't get baby pissed on a forum"

I remember Piru as a very sharp guy but I also remember him as using every excuse he could, to belittle AOS4.x which is IMHO not really that constructive for the community.

But rage quitting because of a few hours of down town, well I hardly beleive that it was the main reason, maybe just the last straw.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: TheMagicM on September 24, 2013, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: kesa;748683
i think you guys who are criticising the mods should give them a break. Remember that they are volunteers who don't get paid to babysit idiots

qft.


As far as Piru is concerned...I agree with what he posts.  Very smart individual.  Tells it like it is.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 24, 2013, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: TheMagicM;748699
qft.


As far as Piru is concerned...I agree with what he posts.  Very smart individual.  Tells it like it is.

Also very obnoxious.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: TheMagicM on September 24, 2013, 01:54:29 PM
Quote from: Kesa;748700
Also very obnoxious.


Nah.


There are alot of personalities in the amigaverse that are very annoying.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Ami_GFX on September 24, 2013, 03:34:06 PM
One of the most knowedgeable people to ever post on this forum. In no way obnoxious. Obnoxious and Finnish is a contradiction in terms and that only speaks for his nationality, not his personal character.

I miss him too.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: itix on September 24, 2013, 04:25:35 PM
Quote from: Kesa;748700
Also very obnoxious.


If you were are Saku 2013 event you could have a chance to chat with him.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: paul1981 on September 24, 2013, 08:29:03 PM
Quote from: rednova;748509
Dear Friends:

I just looked at the whichamy tool on amiga 040 accel (on ebay)
and not only it shows the amiga version, it also says made by 'Piru'  !!!
I am so impressed !!! Dear Piru, I am really impressed at your
amiga programming skill !!!
Love !!!

One of my favourite info tools as well. Hangs on my ACA630 though. :cry:
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: ShK on September 24, 2013, 08:37:28 PM
Quote from: paul1981;748719
One of my favourite info tools as well. Hangs on my ACA630 though. :cry:


Try to enable the MMU with the mmu.library (http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/MMULib) before running the WhichAmiga.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: hbarcellos on September 24, 2013, 11:15:55 PM
ok ok, but the user used the word "LOVE"???
It's a girl at least?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: mongo on September 24, 2013, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;748728
ok ok, but the user used the word "LOVE"???
It's a girl at least?


No. Is that a problem?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: commodorejohn on September 25, 2013, 12:30:41 AM
Am I gonna have to break out a lecture on the four loves here? Because I'll do it, if I have to.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: LoadWB on September 25, 2013, 01:54:08 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;748731
Am I gonna have to break out a lecture on the four loves here? Because I'll do it, if I have to.


Where the heck's the popcorn smilie???  This would have been much funnier without words.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 25, 2013, 03:32:36 AM
Quote from: LoadWB;748736
Where the heck's the popcorn smilie???  This would have been much funnier without words.


Dude, I've been on this website for 10 years and I don't even know how to find the list of smilies.  I just randomly type characters and hope they make one, and go back and edit the post if they don't.  Oh well!
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 05:03:06 AM
So you guys are saying Piru is actually a nice guy in real life? Fair enough. I haven't met him so i'll have to take your word for it.

By the way what are the 4 loves?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 05:05:40 AM
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;748739
Dude, I've been on this website for 10 years and I don't even know how to find the list of smilies.  I just randomly type characters and hope they make one, and go back and edit the post if they don't.  Oh well!

Really easy. On the right hand side there are a bunch of smilies. There is a [More] link. Push it and you are there. I tried doing it your way by manually entering the smilie characters but my programming skills couldn't keep up.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 25, 2013, 05:24:45 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748744
Really easy. On the right hand side there are a bunch of smilies. There is a [More] link. Push it and you are there. I tried doing it your way by manually entering the smilie characters but my programming skills couldn't keep up.


Yeah, believe it or not, I don't have that option.  Tried it on multiple computers, running Windows 7, IE 9, Opera, at work and at home, and for giggles just tried it on my laptop running the latest versions of Ubuntu and Firefox, no bunch of smilies or [More] option exists.  I suspect it might be tied into my user account somehow, perhaps there's an "advanced editor" feature or something that I need to turn on?  No idea, and it's not like this website is exactly "user friendly", haha.  :p
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: commodorejohn on September 25, 2013, 05:35:43 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748743
By the way what are the 4 loves?
Those would be philia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philia) (friendship/affection,) storgē (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storge) (familial love,) érōs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_%28concept%29) (intimate/romantic love,) and agápē (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape) (charity/compassion/selflessness,) the four terms the ancient Greeks had for different types of love, all of which are rendered in English as simply "love," a word that people today seem to inevitably take to refer to érōs, even when it very plainly doesn't.

Or, in other words: it's much more likely in this context, without more definitive evidence, that rednova would like to, say, shake Piru's hand and buy him a beer for his excellent work (philia) than make out with him for it (érōs.)

This has been your daily lesson in Not Conflating Distinct Emotional States Because Of Linguistic Shortcomings.

(http://imageshack.us/a/img542/9397/d7yt.jpg)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 05:43:02 AM
This place is turning into a sausage factory...  :knuddel:

Am i the only one here who is straight?   ;)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: LoadWB on September 25, 2013, 06:12:36 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748747
This place is turning into a sausage factory...  :knuddel:

Am i the only one here who is straight?   ;)


Not for much longer.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: darkage on September 25, 2013, 09:02:16 AM
Ha!  I thought these were the 4 loves (just missing one)

Piru, Doom Master and Franko
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 25, 2013, 09:15:47 AM
Quote from: darkage;748751
Ha!  I thought these were the 4 loves (just missing one)

Piru, Doom Master and Franko

Cecilia.

Anyone who doesn't love her is not a true Amigan. :)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: takemehomegrandma on September 25, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748700
[piru is] Also very obnoxious.

Quote from: Kesa;748743
So you guys are saying Piru is actually a nice guy in real life? Fair enough. I haven't met him so i'll have to take your word for it.


"Obnoxious"? Piru? WTF Kesa! :evil:

Piru is a very nice guy online as well, and as others have already said he tells things like it is. And as many others he also have a threshold for how much bullsh!t he will take. I think this is the reason he left; the bullsh!t level at one point simply exceeded his threshold, and AFAIR it was a long time coming. He is far from the only one who left this place for similar reasons, the place went quickly downhill after Wayne left. He is still just as active as before though, it's only this place he left.

Piru is IMHO a true Amiga hero, he has a long, solid and very productive track record and an Amiga competence that few people (in any "camp") could match. A few may have been upset when he (by using benchmarks as proof) pointed out that the $3,000+ A1X1K wasn't at all the "Amiga Messiah" some wanted it to be. I think it's understandable that some were annoyed by this, but I also think it's OK because some of them really needed to wake up from deluded dreams and look at things for what they really are. But very few people Kesa, very few, would call Piru obnoxious! In fact, I can only think of one, and that is the trollmeister "Franko" that isn't allowed here anymore (God be praised!). And I think I recall having asked you this before Kesa, but your postings here makes it kind of calls for it again: Are you Franko, "Kesa"?

Quote from: Kesa;748747
This place is turning into a sausage factory...


No, it's turning into Moobunny.

I don't have anything against Moobunny (there is an obvious need for a site like that, as has been proven time after time again), but this site is not it, nor should it be.

So please stop this bullsh!t.

:evil:
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 09:55:47 AM
Piru has always had bias against all things related to Aos4.x and a bias towards all things Mos. Some could interpret this as obnoxious. Especially when he states everything as fact and not his personal opinions.

Come to think of it you are always biased towards Mos and you seem to be VERY obnoxious.

As for the sausage factory comment i was only joking. You really need to work on your sense of humour.

I'M NOT FRANKO!!!
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: nicholas;748752
Cecilia.

Anyone who doesn't love her is not a true Amigan. :)

nich baby, care to fill me in on why i should love her? She left before i joined. I have only spoken to her a few times on Whyzzat?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: takemehomegrandma on September 25, 2013, 10:58:05 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748754
Piru has always had bias against all things related to Aos4.x and a bias towards all things Mos. Some could interpret this as obnoxious. Especially when he states everything as fact and not his personal opinions.

Come to think of it you are always biased towards Mos and you seem to be VERY obnoxious.


OK, you find Piru, myself - and I suppose everyone else who is biased towards MorphOS - to be repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, vile, foul, loathsome, etc (all synonyms to "obnoxious", to help you better understand the meaning of the word, in case you didn't). Personally I find that quite offensive and totally uncalled for. And when someone states things based on measurable and verifiable benchmarks and other proof that can easily be repeated by others, it's actually more correct to call it "facts" than "merely personal opinions". Piru does that, especially so when commenting on OS4 related things in regards to MorphOS related things.

Besides, everyone has the right to hold personal opinions. And everyone has the right to be biased towards MorphOS.


Quote
As for the sausage factory comment i was only joking. You really need to work on your sense of humour.


I know it was a "joke". My response however, wasn't.


Quote
I'M NOT FRANKO!!!


Hmm, didn't you claim that the last time as well? :p

Still, I felt the need to ask again...
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 25, 2013, 11:05:29 AM
Well that escalated quickly. :(
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 25, 2013, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;748761
OK, you find Piru, myself - and I suppose everyone else who is biased towards MorphOS - to be repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, vile, foul, loathsome, etc (all synonyms to "obnoxious", to help you better understand the meaning of the word, in case you didn't). Personally I find that quite offensive and totally uncalled for. And when someone states things based on measurable and verifiable benchmarks and other proof that can easily be repeated by others, it's actually more correct to call it "facts" than "merely personal opinions". Piru does that, especially so when commenting on OS4 related things in regards to MorphOS related things.

Besides, everyone has the right to hold personal opinions. And everyone has the right to be biased towards MorphOS.


WOAH!! Too much! When i say obnoxious i mean that he comes across as somewhat rude and sometimes offensive. All those words you mentioned above are horrible and i don't think anyone here deserves to be called those things. Well there is someone but that's another story.

I don't have a problem with facts or benchmarks. Except when maybe they are used as an excuse to troll.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: takemehomegrandma on September 25, 2013, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748764
those words you mentioned above are horrible and i don't think anyone here deserves to be called those things.


Good, I actually suspected that much. So maybe the next time you mean to call someone "rude", maybe you will simply say "rude" then?

Quote
I don't have a problem with facts or benchmarks. Except when maybe they are used as an excuse to troll.


And let me guess - "trolling" is when the facts and benchmarks are used to show how MorphOS has advantages over OS4 in particular? Or is it when the facts and benchmarks simply goes against your own personal opinions in general?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: OlafS3 on September 25, 2013, 12:39:46 PM
As I understand it you want to persuade people to use MorphOS. The people (that are still here) have somewhen decided to use (mostly) either MorphOS or AmigaOS. Many also have decided because of emotional reasons. By trying to proof them how wrong they are and how much money they have wasted you only anger them. It would be better to show them what you can do with MorphOS and why they should use it (as least as alternative/second system). BTW I read that MorphOS only supports up to 1.5 GB RAM, no MESA/Gallium and running on aging hardware (that is certainly not becoming faster) is not that impressive. It is a nice "Retro-System" at the moment but not so superior as you think.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: yssing on September 25, 2013, 12:40:05 PM
No, trolling is when you use every waking moment and every opportunity to hammer something.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 25, 2013, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: OlafS3;748771
As I understand it you want to persuade people to use MorphOS. The people (that are still here) have somewhen decided to use (mostly) either MorphOS or AmigaOS. Many also have decided because of emotional reasons. By trying to proof them how wrong they are and how much money they have wasted you only anger them. It would be better to show them what you can do with MorphOS and why they should use it (as least as alternative/second system). BTW I read that MorphOS only supports up to 1.5 GB RAM, no MESA/Gallium and running on aging hardware (that is certainly not becoming faster) is not that impressive. It is a nice "Retro-System" at the moment but not so superior as you think.

Why does it need MESA? It has it's own implementation of OpenGL that works very well.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: gertsy on September 25, 2013, 01:49:28 PM
Quote from: takemehomegrandma;748761
OK, you find Piru, myself - and I suppose everyone else who is biased towards MorphOS - to be repulsive, disgusting, distasteful, vile, foul, loathsome, etc (all synonyms to "obnoxious",......


The word obnoxious means objectionable or irritating, not the list of synonyms you've put up. Its a long bow to relate synonyms of a word as someone's intent. Kesa's POV is just another POV to which he's entitled. As long as he's not breaking posting guidelines.

I respect Piru and his knowledge, but quite often confident, direct people can be perceived as arrogant or objectionable....

Viva la difference. If we were all the same the world would be a boring place.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Fats on September 25, 2013, 02:17:58 PM
Quote from: kickstart;748678
Why not if left a.org all of us? no one likes the moderation or owners.


I am happy a.org user, don't have big problems with the moderation. Don't see a reason to leave a.org. I also find it always strange when people think they can speak for everybody else.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: J-Golden on September 25, 2013, 02:50:57 PM
Quote from: gertsy;748778
I respect Piru and his knowledge, but quite often confident, direct people can be perceived as arrogant or objectionable....

Viva la difference. If we were all the same the world would be a boring place.

Agreed.  I've watched plenty of people who rail on one anther from one camp to another, etc. etc. only to have one person, who incidentally half the time started it, call foul and get the other banned.

Both sides usually had interesting things to say but got too wound up in defending their own cause that they sometimes forgot what the spirit of this community is.

Diversity.

The Amiga was the first computer platform that offered its users an electrical platform that was good for music and audio, graphics and animation, multipurpose interaction, communication as well as all the standard computery things.

This diversity is what brought us all together, remember?  How many Amiga Users Groups did you all go to and meet people you normally would never had met because they are not just in a different field than you, but a whole different society.

I'm a bad mod becuse I see everyone's point of view and very rarly have the heart to drop the hammer.  I miss Franko and Piru.  I've had brilliant discussions with them both as well as others who no longer frequent the site.

What I can't do is what this site needs.  I cannot force you guys to like each other, respect each other, take a deap breath before responding to a post that you think is targeting something you hold dear.  I cannot grow a think skin and then hand it out to the users so they don't rise to every mean spirited thing posted.  I cannot give control so you don't hijack threads.  I cannot teach you manners.

What I can do is act as moderator between parties.  I can try to defuse situations before things go overboard.  I can talk, reason, entreat.  I try using these tools and they work every now and then but it comes down to the individual user to decide what he want to contribute and take away from A.ORG.

We all need to get back to our common baseline.  Amiga MEANS diversity; unity; common area for a myriad of people with a myriad of interests.  Amiga IS INCLUSION!  So please, don't push each other away...
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: OlafS3 on September 25, 2013, 02:57:38 PM
you are right but the problem is that people seem to think they are superior because of their choice or use phrases like "only" and "true" and the others are "copies" or just interested in playing old games. As long as this attitudes continue to exist as long there will be debates and derailing threads. A mod cannot change attitudes. The situation will only change if we all accept the differences and understand that all are equal.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 25, 2013, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: OlafS3;748793
you are right but the problem is that people seem to think they are superior because of their choice or use phrases like "only" and "true" and the others are "copies" or just interested in playing old games. As long as this attitudes continue to exist as long there will be debates and derailing threads. A mod cannot change attitudes. The situation will only change if we all accept the differences and understand that all are equal.

The "True Believers" won't ever change their minds. Some of us like and use all four of the Amiga platforms (Amiga OS, AROS, MorphOS and OS4) and it causes the narrow minded ones blood to boil that we don't share their myopic views.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 25, 2013, 03:21:25 PM
I have to admit that winding them up can be great fun though! ;)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: OlafS3 on September 25, 2013, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: nicholas;748795
I have to admit that winding them up can be great fun though! ;)

lol :-)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: hbarcellos on September 25, 2013, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: mongo;748730
No. Is that a problem?

Even not being the type of guy who pursues and wants to beat homosexuals, I strongly dislike public demonstrations of homosexuality neither think that it should be something generally accepted as "a mere choice".

But, I think this is not the forum to discuss that, neither I have time enough to spent on this kind of subject...
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 25, 2013, 07:17:26 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;748808
Even not being the type of guy who pursues and wants to beat homosexuals, I strongly dislike public demonstrations of homosexuality neither think that it should be something generally accepted as "a mere choice".

But, I think this is not the forum to discuss that, neither I have time enough to spent on this kind of subject...


I'm a straight male, but having many, many friends of both orientations, as well as transgender, etc.,  I am offended by the comment of "pursue and beat homosexuals".  Please keep this off a classic computer forum or move this thread to the coffee house forum, thanks!  :(
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: hbarcellos on September 25, 2013, 07:30:32 PM
I'm offended with the fact that you ignored the fact that I wrote that I'm not that type of person.
Besides, if you don't have any problem with that, why you made it clear at the beginning of your comments that you're a straight male?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Oldsmobile_Mike on September 25, 2013, 07:48:25 PM
Quote from: hbarcellos;748810
I'm offended with the fact that you ignored the fact that I wrote that I'm not that type of person.
Besides, if you don't have any problem with that, why you made it clear at the beginning of your comments that you're a straight male?


Why did you even bring it up, was my point?  This started as a thread extolling the virtues of Piru's programming abilities, and turned into a thread making comments about people beating homosexuals?  Sorry, this is your conductor speaking, the train of thought has derailed in crazytown!  ;)  Whatever, looks like I'll be blocking another person.  Bye!
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Duce on September 25, 2013, 07:50:37 PM
Find it amusing how every darned innocuous thread (a thread giving props to Piru in this case) on A.org seems to degrade into either a red. vs blue flamefest or some festival of tender feelings butthurt about religion or religious style morality egofest.

Just saying.  It'd be amusing if it wasn't so predictable :)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Ami_GFX on September 25, 2013, 07:56:46 PM
Quote from: Duce;748812
Find it amusing how every darned innocuous thread (a thread giving props to Piru in this case) on A.org seems to degrade into either a red. vs blue flamefest or some festival of tender feelings butthurt about religion or religious style morality egofest.

Just saying.  It'd be amusing if it wasn't so predictable :)


And that just might be one of the reasons Piru is no longer on this forum.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Duce on September 25, 2013, 08:10:16 PM
Oh, it most certainly is.  That I don't doubt.  Piru always was a fun guy and had a thick skin, but I think the unprofessionalism esp. on the operators end of A.org really took its toll on the old timers.  I suspect Jens and others left for the same reasons.  A.org is the best Amiga site in the world to find completely non Amiga related fluff posts linked from other half baked "news" sites (see the Win 8 type tabloid journalism "news" linkbait type stuff that's so rampant here lately).

Between the rampant "link bait" posts, the pandering to C-USA, and stuff like the weird little "service blackout" that Tedd pulled I am surprised more people did not leave.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: nicholas on September 25, 2013, 08:41:58 PM
Quote from: Duce;748815
Oh, it most certainly is.  That I don't doubt.  Piru always was a fun guy and had a thick skin, but I think the unprofessionalism esp. on the operators end of A.org really took its toll on the old timers.  I suspect Jens and others left for the same reasons.  A.org is the best Amiga site in the world to find completely non Amiga related fluff posts linked from other half baked "news" sites (see the Win 8 type tabloid journalism "news" linkbait type stuff that's so rampant here lately).

Between the rampant "link bait" posts, the pandering to C-USA, and stuff like the weird little "service blackout" that Tedd pulled I am surprised more people did not leave.

Some of us keep coming back, even after long periods of not logging in.

Amiga is like crack addiction and a.org is much better than aw.net or amigans.net as it has less loony true believers here.

Since Wayne sold up EAB and A1K have become much more interesting than this place though sadly, but I know I'm not the only one to have made lifelong friends here over the years so we have an emotional attachment to the place.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: ajlwalker on September 25, 2013, 09:48:51 PM
Piru on a.org was the type of guy who was incredibly technically talented, but had a propensity to throw around accusations of people being "intellectually dishonest" when they had the nerve to challenge him.

He was also the type of person who in one thread would state a smart phone had to have a qwerty keyboard for him, and then in another thread forget what he said and inform us all he has bought two Nokia N9 phones (Hint these don't have any buttons, never mind a qwerty keyboard).

So I am not surprised he has come on for criticism here. If only he stuck to what he was good at, or alternatively apologised occasionally.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: kickstart on September 25, 2013, 10:43:17 PM
"homosexuals", "messiah", "true believers"... whats this? Reading post like this is one of the reasons of "someone" leave "some forum".
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: kickstart on September 25, 2013, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: ajlwalker;748825
Piru on a.org was the type of guy who was incredibly technically talented, but had a propensity to throw around accusations of people being "intellectually dishonest" when they had the nerve to challenge him.

He was also the type of person who in one thread would state a smart phone had to have a qwerty keyboard for him, and then in another thread forget what he said and inform us all he has bought two Nokia N9 phones (Hint these don't have any buttons, never mind a qwerty keyboard).

So I am not surprised he has come on for criticism here. If only he stuck to what he was good at, or alternatively apologised occasionally.


Nokia N9 is a nice phone whats wrong with it?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: takemehomegrandma on September 25, 2013, 11:39:42 PM
Pointless thread...

:rolleyes:

(BTW, Piru is very much still active and can be found over at http://www.morphzone.info/ and probably other places as well)
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: ajlwalker on September 25, 2013, 11:53:27 PM
Quote from: kickstart;748832
Nokia N9 is a nice phone whats wrong with it?


It is more than nice phone, it is a fantastic phone and is frankly a scandal it never received an official launch in the UK or much of Western Europe.

It doesn't however have a qwerty keyboard, which Piru advised in previous post was a pre-requisite for him in a smart phone. Right before he then informed us he had bought two N9s.

But I do agree with takemehomegrandma, it is a pretty pointless thread. Piru wrote/writes some great software, and some people didn't know it. Doesn't really need a thread.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 26, 2013, 12:10:13 AM
The reason this thread turned into a blue vs red battle is because of the person this thread is about. If this thread had been about, say, commodorejohn it would never have turned out this way but someone like Piru has always been active in the red vs blue debates.

Also, most touchscreen devices have qwerty keyboards in them. I assume you are referring to a physical qwerty keyboard? I too prefer these to touchscreens. Boooooo my Sony Xperia. Go Blackberries!

PS. AROS/AOS4.x sucks. Go Morphos!
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: kd7ota on September 26, 2013, 01:00:53 AM
Quote from: Kesa;748840

PS. AROS/AOS4.x sucks. Go Morphos!



I suppose I am one of the few who can put red/blue aside and use both.  My Amiga 1200 is for any classic computing needs and my MorphOS machine is for the next generation Amiga feel.  I refuse to pay $3,000 only to get beaten by a curb-side Mac. (eMacs, Quicksilvers, and soon enough MDD)  Easy enough to look up local classifieds and pick up a PPC Mac for $50ish or even free depending on what model.  Burn you a CD and give it a try. You don't like it? Body slam the Mac into pieces.

No worries. Anyone can feel free to spend any amounts of money on anything.  No reason to argue anymore.  Those times have passed.  Get yer fix and be done with it! :P
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 26, 2013, 01:10:53 AM
Wow, who needs Franko with this kind of stuff being posted?

Hard to believe how this thread has deteriorated.

Honestly, would you expect a MorphOS team member not to have a strong personal preference in operating systems?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 26, 2013, 01:43:51 AM
A little off topic but oh well...

I think the best way to solve the flame wars is for all the different platforms to adopt the rasberry pi or something similar as the standard hardware. Ditch PPC altogether. This would be good because raspberries are dirt cheap and it would allow people like me to ditch Apple hardware and also give me a chance to actually try out AOS4.x for the first time.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 26, 2013, 01:49:01 AM
I don't know if I'd support the Pi, but an ARM transition makes sense to me.
Of course, at this point you are probably talking about ending legacy support.
So what we'd have isn't really Amiga related.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: LoadWB on September 26, 2013, 07:04:36 AM
Quote from: ajlwalker;748837
It is more than nice phone, it is a fantastic phone and is frankly a scandal it never received an official launch in the UK or much of Western Europe.

It doesn't however have a qwerty keyboard, which Piru advised in previous post was a pre-requisite for him in a smart phone. Right before he then informed us he had bought two N9s.

But I do agree with takemehomegrandma, it is a pretty pointless thread. Piru wrote/writes some great software, and some people didn't know it. Doesn't really need a thread.


It's a crap phone.  Nokia is crap.  And anyone who likes or uses Nokia crap has latent homosexual tendencies.  Like Ru Paul/Freddie Mercury/Michael Jackson type tendencies.

And that's all joke to help spin this thread even further into the abyss.  And if you cannot recognize the sarcasm, then I redirect you back to the first paragraph, just remove the conditional bit about Nokia, you Liberace-wannabe.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: takemehomegrandma on September 26, 2013, 09:03:55 AM
Quote from: kd7ota;748842
my MorphOS machine is for the next generation Amiga feel.  I refuse to pay $3,000 only to get beaten by a curb-side Mac. (eMacs, Quicksilvers, and soon enough MDD)  Easy enough to look up local classifieds and pick up a PPC Mac for $50ish or even free depending on what model.  Burn you a CD and give it a try.


OMG, stop this TROLLING! ;)

:lol:
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Fats on September 27, 2013, 07:11:51 PM
Quote from: Iggy;748843
Honestly, would you expect a MorphOS team member not to have a strong personal preference in operating systems?


Don't you see the difference between Piru and for example Fab or Itix ?
AFAIK all MorphOS team members.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: desiv on September 27, 2013, 07:25:35 PM
What a confusing thread...
So, I think what you are all saying is that:

Piru left because there were a bunch of homosexuals throwing Nokia phones at him????

Great thread!!  ;-)

desiv
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: ZeBeeDee on September 27, 2013, 08:31:02 PM
And were they also all MorphOS users?

Quote from: desiv;748981
What a confusing thread...
So, I think what you are all saying is that:

Piru left because there were a bunch of homosexuals throwing Nokia phones at him????

Great thread!!  ;-)

desiv
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: odin on September 28, 2013, 12:13:05 AM
Quote from: desiv;748981

Piru left because there were a bunch of homosexuals throwing Nokia phones at him????

Great thread!!  ;-)

:D

Probably well suited for the Coffeehouse now, still not yet sock drawer material.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: kickstart on September 28, 2013, 12:54:07 AM
Theres is no (fuc#?ng) moderation at this forum?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 28, 2013, 04:29:32 AM
Quote from: Fats;748979
Don't you see the difference between Piru and for example Fab or Itix ?
AFAIK all MorphOS team members.

Not really.

Piru and Fab (especially Fab) have helped me solve problems.
I haven't had to exchange anything with Itix, but if you really want to know, Frank Mariak has been the most helpful (along with, indirectly, his team mate Mark Olsen).

Actually, most of the people in the MorphOS community will offer useful advice  or help.
We just seem to have garnered an undesired reputation related to our unwillingness to be abused.

Remember, we all think we are using the OS that the entire community should have transitioned to.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 28, 2013, 04:58:52 AM
Quote from: Iggy;749026
Not really.

Piru and Fab (especially Fab) have helped me solve problems.
I haven't had to exchange anything with Itix, but if you really want to know, Frank Mariak has been the most helpful (along with, indirectly, his team mate Mark Olsen).

Actually, most of the people in the MorphOS community will offer useful advice  or help.
We just seem to have garnered an undesired reputation related to our unwillingness to be abused.

Remember, we all think we are using the OS that the entire community should have transitioned to.

Actually it is my observation that MOS users gatecrash AOS4.x discussions a lot more that AOS4.x users invade MOS discussions. AOS4.x users seem to be better behaved.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Iggy on September 28, 2013, 06:06:43 AM
Quote from: Kesa;749028
Actually it is my observation that MOS users gatecrash AOS4.x discussions a lot more that AOS4.x users invade MOS discussions. AOS4.x users seem to be better behaved.

I really haven't seen much decent interaction between either of these groups.

Then you've got a few people interested in both products (AmigaDave, myself, more than a few others) that still have the opinion that one is better than the other.
We can hardly be blamed for voicing that.

I myself would love to have more experience with OS4, but at the current price levels that the hardware goes for I'll stick to demos of friend's machines.

And as to OS4 users 'invading' MorphOS threads, they're welcome at any time. We (unlike others) don't suffer via fair comparisons.

 In fact, I think the only people we look over our shoulders for are the AROS developers.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: itix on September 28, 2013, 08:35:26 AM
Quote from: Kesa;749028
Actually it is my observation that MOS users gatecrash AOS4.x discussions a lot more that AOS4.x users invade MOS discussions. AOS4.x users seem to be better behaved.


So, you are MorphOS user and dont have OS 4.
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: Kesa on September 28, 2013, 09:38:41 AM
Yep. I'd love to try AOS4.x but it's out of my price range.

While i have the attention of a MOS developer any chance of seeing MOS on Rasberry or any other ARM based device any time soon?
Title: Re: About 'Piru'
Post by: itix on September 28, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Quote from: Kesa;749039
Yep. I'd love to try AOS4.x but it's out of my price range.


That makes you blue troll and Hyperion hater. ;-)

Quote

While i have the attention of a MOS developer any chance of seeing MOS on Rasberry or any other ARM based device any time soon?

[/quote]

Nope. There is too much custom hardware in ARM based devices with a short life span. It is too elastic. Maybe in the future. Who knows.