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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: XDelusion on September 07, 2013, 12:41:08 AM
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Anything I should know before it arrives?
I have an overclocked Apollo 060.
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Here's the MK III speed test
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3721
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Anything I should know before it arrives?
I have an overclocked Apollo 060.
That it's a bitch to install
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That it's a bitch to install
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Figures. :)
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It's fast.
On my Blizzard 1260 A1200 I get around 7 Megabytes a second with the FastATA IV compared to 2 megs a sec with stock IDE. This is with a IDE to SDHC adapter and 32gb card. SFS formatted.
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These answers are correct: it is a bitch to install (and keep plugged in even with the zip ties) and on a good HDD you may see up to 10 MBs. It also blocks use of other devices.
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These answers are correct: it is a bitch to install (and keep plugged in even with the zip ties) and on a good HDD you may see up to 10 MBs. It also blocks use of other devices.
My MkIII has never come loose...it's almost as if it's glued in - and I didn't need to use the tie-wrap that came with it either. It needed a lot of force to get it seated correctly into the rom sockets though (the pins may be round not flat - hence a tighter fit than the flat pins on rom chips...but I can't be 100% sure about that as it was some years ago now).
If you don't push it all the way in it will try and pop out. Maybe they have flat pins now though so that would definitely make fitting easier. ;)
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Maybe they have flat pins now though so that would definitely make fitting easier. ;)
Yes it would make it easier and no they don't have them :)
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My MK IV fits tightly also. Haven't had any problems with it coming loose even after packing all my gear up and moving several months back. Unpacked the A1200 and she fired right up.
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This thread has pics and measurements how to install a FastATA with an Indivision. Not something I'd care to try myself, just passing it on. ;)
http://eab.abime.net/support-hardware/64319-troubleshooting-fastata-indivision.html
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This thread has pics and measurements how to install a FastATA with an Indivision. Not something I'd care to try myself, just passing it on. ;)
http://eab.abime.net/support-hardware/64319-troubleshooting-fastata-indivision.html
Nice one, thanks!
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Stacking flat pins sockets is too weak test has shown here. The device come with round pins and the first thing I did was change the motherboard to round pin sockets as I needed to removed the device many times during testing. This gave good contact even after multiple removals and still today gives good contact and does not come loose which I don't think is possible if motherboard is flat pinned.
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It arrived, now I'm waiting on my risers so I can install it with my flicker fixer. How lame that they are not designed to fit in the case with other upgrades...
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It arrived, now I'm waiting on my risers so I can install it with my flicker fixer. How lame that they are not designed to fit in the case with other upgrades...
I thought that was the idea of the risers...because thats what help them fit with other upgrades? (And we are talking about the A1200 here, where a s*&tload of aftermarket upgrades can be fitted to make a super souped-up system...on a system that is essentially nowhere near as easy to upgrade as a big box Amiga).
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I thought that was the idea of the risers...because thats what help them fit with other upgrades? (And we are talking about the A1200 here, where a s*&tload of aftermarket upgrades can be fitted to make a super souped-up system...on a system that is essentially nowhere near as easy to upgrade as a big box Amiga).
We'll see if it works when they come in, will see soonish! :)
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When you get it share pics! Good luck, I myself have a Indivision AGA MK2 and am thinking of getting the FastATA 1200 MK-IV also so I will appreciate all pictures you can share :D
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OK, cutting the risers perfectly is a pain in the ass. After having everything installed, the IDE board does not sit flush, which means I have to order more risers, which means...
SCREW THIS!
I'm going to write Amigakit and see if they can install this crap for me. I don't want to break anything, the IDE interface was expensive enough as it is.
Red or Black boot screens is all I'm getting.
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OK, cutting the risers perfectly is a pain in the ass. After having everything installed, the IDE board does not sit flush, which means I have to order more risers, which means...
SCREW THIS!
I'm going to write Amigakit and see if they can install this crap for me. I don't want to break anything, the IDE interface was expensive enough as it is.
Red or Black boot screens is all I'm getting.
Is this where I can say 'I told ya it was a pain in the ass' or should I wait till later?
Seriously though, the only way to get this thing to work reliably is if you don't use the risers (which means ditching the Indivision AGA). You also need to the think about the height of all that stuff, even without any risers the case only just closes.
If you can get your hands on an IdeFix Express you'll find it so much easier to install and you'll still get a pretty good transfer rate with that Apollo (4.5 MB/s+)
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I'm hoping Amigakit will do it for me and save me the stress. I'd imagine they know how to do all this right. They sold me both expansions, so...
Anyhow, you were TOTALLY correct sir! I don't like it!
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Everything fits here and I can close desktop A1200.
FastATA / Bvision / Indivision.
What makes a big difference is the motherboard socket which lowers the FastATA which in turn let's you close desktop without problems. (Stacked round pin sockets).
NOTE: using just one set of flat pin sockets with two round pin sockets is enough to stop keyboard lying flat in desktop which can stop desktop cover from closing.
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Everything fits here and I can close desktop A1200.
FastATA / Bvision / Indivision.
What makes a big difference is the motherboard socket which lowers the FastATA which in turn let's you close desktop without problems. (Stacked round pin sockets).
NOTE: using just one set of flat pin sockets with two round pin sockets is enough to stop keyboard lying flat in desktop which can stop desktop cover from closing.
If I could find someone to cut me some risers that fit PERFECTLY , then maybe this would work. On my own, I can't seem to pull it off and I can't just keep ordering risers to experiment over and over again till I get it right.
Amigakit should provide pre-cut risers. This is annoying! THe pins are fragile, could break at any time, money down the drain, etc. Poor service!
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Everything fits here and I can close desktop A1200.
FastATA / Bvision / Indivision.
What makes a big difference is the motherboard socket which lowers the FastATA which in turn let's you close desktop without problems. (Stacked round pin sockets).
NOTE: using just one set of flat pin sockets with two round pin sockets is enough to stop keyboard lying flat in desktop which can stop desktop cover from closing.
Could you please post a photo?
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Could you please post a photo?
Not at this time.
You don't need photos, just desolder the old motherboard sockets & replace with round pin sockets.
De-soldering the motherboard sockets can be difficult without damaging the motherboard so I would strongly recommend someone with very good soldering.
Do not take any chances with your motherboard get a expert (strongly advice).
The FastATA already has a set of round pin sockets look carefully you can remove it, in-fact it has two sets of round pin sockets one above and one below.
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This was actually a piece of cake to install! There is absolutely no reason to replace the sockets on the A1200 motherboard! I just used the instructions here http://eab.abime.net/support-hardware/64319-troubleshooting-fastata-indivision.html You can get risers here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Turned-Pin-Wire-Wrap-DIL-IC-Sockets-0-6in-40-Pin-/300970245163?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item4613397c2b I measured the correct length on each end pin and drew a line with a thin marker across the row of pins - then I cut each pin with a pair of small side cutters - this created a knife edge & slightly elongated the sides of each pin to give a very snug fit. Pushed everything in and it works like a dream! I'll take some pics and post later. It's really easy - and I was half lit when I did mine! :pint:
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I recut the pins, now the AMiga will boot and ask for a floppy, but it will not boot off the hard drive regardless if it is connected to the FastATA or directly onto the mother board.
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Hold down the left mouse button at startup (or right - I can't remember) and set the PIO mode to PIO3 and it should boot. I can't remember exactly how I got the software installed but I think it was after I did that. The highest PIO mode I can achieve with a CF card is 3. You can probably get a higher PIO mode with a speedy REAL HDD. SysInfo V.4 reports a speed of 3,409,926 BYTES/SEC at PIO3 with my AmigaKit 4GB CF Card.
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Everything fits here and I can close desktop A1200.
FastATA / Bvision / Indivision.
What makes a big difference is the motherboard socket which lowers the FastATA which in turn let's you close desktop without problems. (Stacked round pin sockets).
NOTE: using just one set of flat pin sockets with two round pin sockets is enough to stop keyboard lying flat in desktop which can stop desktop cover from closing.
I had the same setup before with out issues + delfina and a quad port + subway ... Just used ricers provided by elbox. Dont know if i used 2 or 4 cant remember ..
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HOlding down both mouse buttons tells me there is no hard drive. I tested it in my other 1200 and it still detects it, which tells me that the FastATA is preventing it from detecting without drivers, and that I can not hook the hard drive directly to the board anymore with the FastATA attached.
Surely I don't wish to remove it again and reseat the Kickstart roms. I nearly broke a couple legs putting all this together in the first place.
I presume the installations instructions should have read "install software first?"
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Nope, dont' install software 1st. I just checked and you have to hold down JUST the left mouse button at startup. It brings up the Elbox menu.
Holding down BOTH mouse buttons probably will show NO HDD 'cause you're going thru a new controller - you MUST get the PIO mode set - probably 3.
One time I set my PIO mode too high and could no longer boot from HDD so I just kept holding the left mouse button at startup and after about 15 times I got to the Elbox menu. If all is good with the install, be persistent with the left mouse button! :)
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Nope, dont' install software 1st. I just checked and you have to hold down JUST the left mouse button at startup. It brings up the Elbox menu.
Holding down BOTH mouse buttons probably will show NO HDD 'cause you're going thru a new controller - you MUST get the PIO mode set - probably 3.
One time I set my PIO mode too high and could no longer boot from HDD so I just kept holding the left mouse button at startup and after about 15 times I got to the Elbox menu. If all is good with the install, be persistent with the left mouse button! :)
OK, I tried JUST the left mouse button.
Brings me to the screen asking for my WB3.1 disk.
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I've been working with a Fast ATA MKII for about two years. It was liking to give me from time to time messages the kind of "Read attempt outside partition" or Wrong dirblock ID", when not just showing me the insert disk screen (this last is just when your connection with the kickstarts isn't good). What I've done, but only from two days ago, so I can't tell for sure it's a good solution is to disable the s-s call for the Fast Ata. Instead I've made an script that I've put with the same commands on the WBStartup. So, the Amiga boots without Fast Ata (when booting was when it was liking to give me the problematic messages), and when charging the WBStartup it starts the Fast Ata prefs. I believe to remember someone -or just the instructions- saying their commands should be at the beginning of the s-s, but all I can tell is that it works from the WBStartup, as I can see it working with SysInfo.
But there is another problem; at least with my MKII drivers. They will show the Fast ATA prefs as "Split", no matter that you use and save them as "Non Split".
I bought an MKIV this week -that's why I'm also interesed on this thread-. I want to try the new drivers and hardware.
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OK, I tried JUST the left mouse button.
Brings me to the screen asking for my WB3.1 disk.
Hmmm, then something's not right. :( I guess recheck everything. Mine worked first time when holding down the left mouse button after install.
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OK, I tried JUST the left mouse button.
Brings me to the screen asking for my WB3.1 disk.
Simple: Bad connection with your kickstart sockets. I'm also using an Indi and using angled cutted risers. Press them more to make better contact.
Edit: You don't need to press the left mice button for anything; it will start working if the connections are ok. Later you can install the drivers and set the PIO mode and so. In fact with my MKII drivers the left button while booting does nothing (but dunno with the latest).
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Simple: Bad connection with your kickstart sockets. I'm also using an Indi and using angled cutted risers. Press them more to make better contact.
Edit: You don't need to press the left mice button for anything; it will start working if the connections are ok. Later you can install the drivers and set the PIO mode and so. In fact with my MKII drivers the left button while booting does nothing (but dunno with the latest).
If I push any harder I'm going to break something.
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if i push any harder i'm going to break something.
twss. ;)
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If I push any harder I'm going to break something.
First be sure your risers have the pin lenght all the same. If not, put a sand paper on your table and file the pins over it. Then put a table under your miggy (under the kickstarts) and use another piece of wood to press the fast ata over the kickstarts.
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Well. Now I've changed the kickstart sockets to round pin ones. I have to say that it wasn't letting close the keyboard, so I've filed the lowest kickstart chip side, so now it fits.
But it doesn't boot with ACATune. I can not boot with my ACA1230/56 and my new Fast ATA MKIV having under the ACATune commands the usual ; $VER: Startup-Sequence_AmiKit OS3.9 BB2
; Startup-Sequence for AmigaOS 3.9 + AmiKit (by Jan Zahurancik ©2005-2008)
; Modified to work with real Amiga by Retrofan
;===ACATune=== . Install first ACATune 1.7 version on C using MorpheuZ.
C:ACATune -maprom * >NIL: ;For ACA1230/56.
;C:ACATune -maprom * >NIL: ;For ACA1231/42.
;===ACATune End=== . After uncommenting any, edit the User-Startup at the end too.
C:ATA3.driver QUIET
C:stack 8192
It doesn't boot. An now look the same s-s adding BB4: it boots with the Fast Ata. Incredibly it was even booting with the fast ata (well, the dvd doesn't show) using an script to launch it so late as from the WBStartup with the fastata commands there instead of here -I was using that, trying-.
; $VER: Startup-Sequence_AmiKit OS3.9 BB2
; Startup-Sequence for AmigaOS 3.9 + AmiKit (by Jan Zahurancik ©2005-2008)
; Modified to work with real Amiga by Retrofan
;===ACATune=== . Install first ACATune 1.7 version on C using MorpheuZ.
C:ACATune -maprom * >NIL: ;For ACA1230/56.
;C:ACATune -maprom * >NIL: ;For ACA1231/42.
;===ACATune End=== . After uncommenting any, edit the User-Startup at the end too.
C:Safe RENRAM OWNOUT MOUNTSIZE=6684 ;Checks for viruses
C:morelibspace
;BB4
Version >NIL: exec.library 45 REVISION 20
IF WARN
;FailAt 21
SYS:C/LoadResident >NIL: DEVS:card.resource DEVS:trackdisk.device L:KingCON-Handler
;FailAt 20
EndIf
SYS:C/LoadModule >NIL: L:RAM-Handler DEVS:battmem.resource DEVS:FileSystem.resource DEVS:misc.resource DEVS:potgo.resource DEVS:scsi.device L:FastFileSystem L:Shell-Seg LIBS:dos.library REVERSE NOREBOOT
SYS:C/SetPatch SKIPROMUPDATES console.device,ram-handler,FileSystem.resource,filesystem,scsi.device,shell QUIET
;End BB4 MOD
C:ATA3.driver QUIET
C:stack 8192
What command of BB4 do you think changes the booting to let it start the Fast Ata? Has any the Fast ATA MKIV working with ACATune?
Edit: @XDeluxion try the miggy without the Fast Ata. I guess you will have the same problems, not booting and that you've got to change the kickstarts. Static electricity must have fried them.