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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: sir_bacharach on August 19, 2013, 12:25:32 AM
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Hi. I've got amitcp 3.0. I can ping my router and pc. But I want to transfer files ans shard folders on my pc. I hear MiamiDX is good but of what I've seen on aminet.net I'm confused at which one to choose. Also I see that some programs need AmiTCP 4.0 but I think that's licenced software and I don't know where to get it from.
Also anyone know of any way to share my pcs net connection with the amiga? I have no internet on my router anymore so I teather my phone to my pc.
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MiamiDX is just another TCP/IP stack - it's not a filesharing solution itself. AmiTCP 4.x and Genesis are the same thing and are available on the OS3.9 CD. There's also Roadhshow, available from publisher APC&TCP. All three of these stacks should be functionally identical (meaning they'll all do the same thing for you). The differences lie in how you go about configuring them, and in performance.
Now, for filesharing, you'll need smbfs (http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/smbfs-68k) to pull files from another machine onto your Amiga. If you want to pull files from your Amiga onto another machine, you'll need a Samba server installed on your Amiga (http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/data/samba/). I recommend the 2.0.7 port - I've never gotten the 2.2.5 port to work.
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Cheers dude. I'll have a crack at that tomorrow when I wake up. :)
Thanks for the direct links too. Very helpful.
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MiamiDX is just another TCP/IP stack - it's not a filesharing solution itself. AmiTCP 4.x and Genesis are the same thing and are available on the OS3.9 CD. There's also Roadhshow, available from publisher APC&TCP. All three of these stacks should be functionally identical (meaning they'll all do the same thing for you). The differences lie in how you go about configuring them, and in performance.
Now, for filesharing, you'll need smbfs (http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/smbfs-68k) to pull files from another machine onto your Amiga. If you want to pull files from your Amiga onto another machine, you'll need a Samba server installed on your Amiga (http://www.birrabrothers.com/tiger/data/samba/). I recommend the 2.0.7 port - I've never gotten the 2.2.5 port to work.
Hi mate. I haven't got round to file sharing yet. I'm a bit stuck. I'm using prism2v2 drivers which ive had working before with amitcp v2. But this time im using a fresh install of os3.9 with genesis. I think I'm nearly there but must be doing something wrong as I try to ping my router and it returns nothing. The shell prompt just freezes. If I disconnect genesis the shell prompt carries on pinging and failing. Ive been in the install instructions of prism2v2 and took the example of the wpa settings and put those into the settings of genesis (with my router ssid and wpa). But nothing. It's bound to be just one thing I'm missing. I just can't figure out what.
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Go with Roadshow, it's much better than Genesis in every way.
There is a demo version that times out after 15 mins you can try out.
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Just go for EasyNet and then created a shared folder, makes it really easy to transfer stuff from your PC to your Amiga.
Here's a little video I did earlier....
[youtube]eTp4IluNOy4[/youtube]
:)
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Just go for EasyNet and then created a shared folder, makes it really easy to transfer stuff from your PC to your Amiga.
Here's a little video I did earlier....
[youtube]eTp4IluNOy4[/youtube]
:)
Hi NovaCoder, I can ping both my Router now and my PC again from my Amiga.
I don't have a USB port on my router, so do you know how I would share a folder in this type of way to my AmigaOS Desktop?
I'm on AmigaOS3.9
I'm using Gensis that came with it and the Prism2v2 software drivers for my Wifi card.
I'm getting there slowly but surely.
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Hi NovaCoder, I can ping both my Router now and my PC again from my Amiga.
I don't have a USB port on my router, so do you know how I would share a folder in this type of way to my AmigaOS Desktop?
I'm on AmigaOS3.9
I'm using Gensis that came with it and the Prism2v2 software drivers for my Wifi card.
I'm getting there slowly but surely.
Install smbfs from aminet to c:
Then add something similar to the following to your s:user-startup
c:Run <>NIL: stack=32768 c:smbfs CASE DOMAIN=WORKGROUP USER=xxxx PASSWORD=xxxxxxxx VOLUME=OS3.9: CACHE=1024 SERVICE=//192.168.1.20/dh0 QUIET
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AmiTCP is enough.
for file transfer you may use Amiftp or Samba
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Hi, I've managed to access my PC share using smbfs from a shell prompt.
But now I don't know which file to put this command line in so that it opens up every time I connect to the internet with genesis.
Does anyone know if genesis has a startup file it executes when it fires up?
If not does anyone know how I can make a file with this command line in then run it from an icon?
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Hi, I've managed to access my PC share using smbfs from a shell prompt.
But now I don't know which file to put this command line in so that it opens up every time I connect to the internet with genesis.
Does anyone know if genesis has a startup file it executes when it fires up?
If not does anyone know how I can make a file with this command line in then run it from an icon?
Last line in s:user-startup should do it.
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Last line in s:user-startup should do it.
I tried that, but it doesn't work.
I think the problem I'm having is that I can't run that line before clicking the online button in Genesis, otherwise it's trying to mount the share before it gets online and fails.
I need to run that line once I've clicked the online button in genesis.
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If you need to run it from an icon, put the line in a text file and then create a "project" icon that uses IconX as its default tool. That way you can run it from workbench like any other executable. You can access the default tool setting from the "Get Info" option on Workbench.
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I tried that, but it doesn't work.
I think the problem I'm having is that I can't run that line before clicking the online button in Genesis, otherwise it's trying to mount the share before it gets online and fails.
I need to run that line once I've clicked the online button in genesis.
It's been a long time since I used Genesis so I can't remember how to automatically start it from user-startup, but that's what you need to do.
To create a script that launches from an icon, put the smbfs line in a text file then make sure it has the Script protection bit set and create an icon that uses IconX as it's default tool.
I'm not in front of an Amiga at the moment otherwise I'd give you more detailed steps.
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Hi, I've managed to access my PC share using smbfs from a shell prompt.
But now I don't know which file to put this command line in so that it opens up every time I connect to the internet with genesis.
Does anyone know if genesis has a startup file it executes when it fires up?
Yes, it does. In Genesis Prefs, Select "Options" on the left and then the "Execute" tab on the top. Edit the "Startup" command as needed.
The Genesis Startup command or an IconX is smart because it won't interfere with games or slow down your booting like the S:User-Startup option.
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Yes it does. In Genesis Prefs, Select "Options" on the left and then the "Execute" tab on the top. Edit the "Startup" Command as needed.
Ah that would be perfect, but for some reason the Genesis Prefs won't fire up.
I'll try running it from WB3.1 disks, see if that works.
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Ah that would be perfect, but for some reason the Genesis Prefs won't fire up.
You can also access the Genesis Prefs from Genesis in the Menu "Settings->Genesis". Perhaps you are missing a font, Reaction/ClassAct Gadgets or you are low on memory? I have a smaller Genesis Prefs that will save about 20k of memory if you are low.
The Genesis icons are non-standard. If you save the settings, the icon may turn into a small white dot. This can be avoided by loading the icons into SYS:Tools/IconEdit to convert them and then save them. The latest AmigaOS 3.9 Unofficial Boing Bag also has a fix for this.
I'll try running it from WB3.1 disks, see if that works.
It probably won't. The Reaction and ClassAct gadgets are not completely compatible and AmigaOS 3.9 has some new ones. An installation problem may be part of your problems running Genesis Prefs under AmigaOS 3.9.
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You can also access the Genesis Prefs from Genesis in the Menu "Settings->Genesis". Perhaps you are missing a font, Reaction/ClassAct Gadgets or you are low on memory? I have a smaller Genesis Prefs that will save about 20k of memory if you are low.
The Genesis icons are non-standard. If you save the settings, the icon may turn into a small white dot. This can be avoided by loading the icons into SYS:Tools/IconEdit to convert them and then save them. The latest AmigaOS 3.9 Unofficial Boing Bag also has a fix for this.
It probably won't. The Reaction and ClassAct gadgets are not completely compatible and AmigaOS 3.9 has some new ones. An installation problem may be part of your problems running Genesis Prefs under AmigaOS 3.9.
I try running from Shell and it says.. could not open muimaster.library (ver11)
It's funny because I've only just installed OS3.9 with Boing Bags 1-4, nothing more, and the Genesis came from the OS3.9 disks, so I would have though it'd just work? I'm stumped.
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I try running from Shell and it says.. could not open muimaster.library (ver11)
It's funny because I've only just installed OS3.9 with Boing Bags 1-4, nothing more, and the Genesis came from the OS3.9 disks, so I would have though it'd just work? I'm stumped.
That's odd that a Reaction Genesis Prefs requires MUI but it looks like you need to install:
http://aminet.net/util/libs/mui38usr.lha
Edit: Genesis Prefs does not open the "muimaster.library". It could be a gadget or another tool but you will probably need to install MUI at some point anyway.
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Well I managed to create an icon that ran a script to show the drive. But my Amiga just crashes all the time.
I think I'm going to go back to WB3.1 with ClassicWB, I'm hoping it has much better memory management than OS3.9 stock and hopefully will save me from all the crashing I'm getting right now.
It seems like sitting about for hours and days on end trying to make things work how you want them to only serves to teach you a lesson.
You end up finding out what's best the hard way. lol.
I've learnt a lot from this thread and some of the others I've posted, so just so you all know, I really appreciate the help you've given me.
Thanks.
Rob.
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Ah that would be perfect, but for some reason the Genesis Prefs won't fire up.
I'll try running it from WB3.1 disks, see if that works.
That's because you need to copy to Genesis libs/mui/grouppager.mcc.
You can get that file from the Genesis of Aminet.
"Q: Genesis Prefs refuses to run without the MUI "grouppager.mcc" file installed; where can I find this? [fixed in OS 3.9 SE CD, BB1]
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You can download it from the Genesis demo archive."
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Well I managed to create an icon that ran a script to show the drive. But my Amiga just crashes all the time.
I'm running AmigaOS 3.9 with the BoingBag updates, Genesis and smbfs 1.74 and my system is very stable. I will on rare occasion get a crash with Genesis.
Maybe you need to set the stack up in your script for smbfs? My smbfs start script looks like this:
CD ""
Stack 32768
Run >NIL: SMBFS Workgroup=HOME Service=//MATT/SharedDocs
EndCLI >NIL:
Notice the Stack 32768. I fixed a typo before.
I think I'm going to go back to WB3.1 with ClassicWB, I'm hoping it has much better memory management than OS3.9 stock and hopefully will save me from all the crashing I'm getting right now.
Don't give up yet. It's not the AmigaOS 3.9 memory management.
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If you PM me your email address I can send you a fully working and stable OS3.9 archive.
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One more question gents...
I've had to reinstall the OS, because my Amiga was crashing during file transfer.
It never crashed when constantly pinging either the Router or the PC, so I'm guessing it's the SMBFS command I've added.
I didn't allocate a stack, I thought stackattack would do that, but I'm not sure.
What would you recommend for the stack size of the SMBFS command? Bearing in mind I have 2MB Chip Ram and 128MB Fast.
I don't know whether it would sit in chip or fast ram?
Ta.
Rob.
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Matt and I both said use 32k previously for smbfs.
Which StackAttack version do you have installed?
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One more question gents...
I've had to reinstall the OS, because my Amiga was crashing during file transfer.
It never crashed when constantly pinging either the Router or the PC, so I'm guessing it's the SMBFS command I've added.
I didn't allocate a stack, I thought stackattack would do that, but I'm not sure.
No sir. StackAttack makes the default stack size larger but it still may not be big enough for some programs. It's unlikely your StackAttack setup provides a 32k stack which is needed by smbfs. StackAttack may no longer be needed with AmigaOS 3.9 and BoingBags as the default stack is increased. Manually setting the stack for CLI launched programs is still necessary though. Workbench launched programs use the stack size in the icon.
What would you recommend for the stack size of the SMBFS command? Bearing in mind I have 2MB Chip Ram and 128MB Fast.
Oddly, I couldn't find a recommended stack size in the documentation for smbfs. Both nicholas (from page 1 of this thread) and I had 32k stacks for smbfs. It's been rock solid for me with that stack size.
stack 32768
I don't know whether it would sit in chip or fast ram?
It should use the highest priority ram that is available first. That should be your fastest fast ram if you have it.
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Just install ClassicWB 3.9 (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm), it will have the internet stuff all set up for you :)
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Sorry Nicholas, I hadn't seen your previous reply with the stack size you used.
I will try increasing stack size, see if that helps.
Rob.
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Just install ClassicWB 3.9 (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm), it will have the internet stuff all set up for you :)
Where's the fun in that though? :)
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Where's the fun in that though? :)
I did install WB3.9, nothing was set up, I then installed the internet software from the 3.9 disk and it came with genesis stack, I still had to install my own prism2v2 drivers, but that goes without saying.
I've been messing with 3.1 now for hours and I've got the SMBFS installed along with AmiTCP 3 and it seems to be working, just transferring a ton of files to the pc to test.
I'll try that a few times before I try copying files TO the amiga, since last time I did this it crashed whilst writing and corrupted the CF card, so I had to start all over again.
Isn't it just blissful? I'm learning a lot but it does get on my nerves that things don't seem to be stable and work.
Are there any of you guys actually using a WIFI card? I don't know whether I'm just best off going to a wired connection?
Sometimes it seems to crash and reboot whilst booting, I think it's whilst it's initialising AmiTCP and the prism2v2 drivers, but I'm not sure.
I've gave the SMBFS a 60000 stack, just to try and make sure it gets plenty of memory. Was that a stupid thing to do?!? I don't know. I'm just playing around until I can figure it out.
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I went for a wired Lan because it's less hassle, I also went with EasyNet because I didn't want to muck around setting up Genesis and SAMBA. My install took about an hour to setup to a shared drive and is very stable.
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Isn't it just blissful? I'm learning a lot but it does get on my nerves that things don't seem to be stable and work.
Are there any of you guys actually using a WIFI card? I don't know whether I'm just best off going to a wired connection?
Sometimes it seems to crash and reboot whilst booting, I think it's whilst it's initialising AmiTCP and the prism2v2 drivers, but I'm not sure.
Chances are that the prism2v2 device is not completely stable. I have read that some people have trouble but it could be an older version. I would have stayed with AmigaOS 3.9 as you could then use the newer version of AmiTCP (Genesis). There may be bug fixes that help stability.
I've gave the SMBFS a 60000 stack, just to try and make sure it gets plenty of memory. Was that a stupid thing to do?!? I don't know. I'm just playing around until I can figure it out.
That's ok. Too much stack causes no problems and isn't any slower unless it runs you low on fast memory. There are some tools that will show the amount of stack used. Scout will show the amount of stack allocated and available in real time for all tasks (needs MUI). There are some tools that will track the maximum amount of stack used which is what you really want to know. This amount may change from one program launch to another so it's best to allocate a safe amount of extra stack.
I went for a wired Lan because it's less hassle, I also went with EasyNet because I didn't want to muck around setting up Genesis and SAMBA. My install took about an hour to setup to a shared drive and is very stable.
I thought Genesis was easy to setup. Smbfs was a little more difficult but not too bad. SAMBA is very difficult. I never got it to work. I was researching my problems when I found smbfs.