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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: haywirepc on August 14, 2013, 04:03:14 AM
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I started programming music for the first time on the c64's sid chip. Later I got an amiga 1000 second hand when everyone else was buying an amiga 500, and it changed me in so many ways. I learned sampling and "tracking" on the amiga with protracker, and later moved on to an amiga 500, then 2000, then to fast tracker on pc. I made some full length albums, using fast tracker as base tracks but adding guitar and vocals and real drums at times in my home studio...
After some long years trying to become a rockstar...
I moved on to other creative endeavors. Now I'm going back to music, trying to rebuild a home studio. I would like to add a c64 for sid synth and an amiga for distorted drums and other synth stuff possible on the amiga.
If anyone has a c64 or real amiga (I've been using a dedicated emulation machine for a long time, but for this is just does not sound the same) They would be willing to donate to the new studio please contact me....
Unfortunately, being a new dad with a new kid makes me broker than broke. I just hand wired and soldered a bunch of rca cables for the new studio because yes, new child makes me that broke and unfortunately, I have more time than money lately.
Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers, someone might think it a good idea to donate a machine sitting unused in their garage or basement to someone who will actually produce some cool audio art with it...
I will be thanking anyone who helps or donates on my new album, website, and music videos.
best regards,
Steven
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I forgot, but here is links to some of my previous songs...
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/insidex.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/hwsongs.html#top
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/tmmrwx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/devmx1.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/deadx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/lngwayx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/deeptrmpx.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/hellno.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/drrmix.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/amremix.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/ndown.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/strange.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/wilt.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/drain.mp3
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/amends.mp3
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And here are some music videos we produced to support my live tours and
generate sales for my cd's :
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/Inside.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/NoWayOut.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/reach.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/hellno.wmv
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/files/madwebv.wmv
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I'd try putting an ad in your local paper(s) - if your area has one or two local rags with free classifieds, it won't cost you anything to try, and if you're lucky you can get a C64 setup for $0-20 and possibly an Amiga for $30-50. You'd be surprised at how often people still have this stuff hanging around in their attic, even in this day and age.
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P.S. Excellent choice in studio gear ;D
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John been looking on craigslist but no luck. Lost 4 or 5 auctions on ebay setting bids at prices I could realistically pay...
I can pay shipping if anyone will donate one, and more than willing to clean, work on and restore machines...
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I'd seriously try the papers, though (again, if you have a local rag with free ads and nothing to lose...) Craigslist is great, but there's a lot of older folks (read: original C64 owner demographic) who don't go there and may not have even heard of it, but who do read the papers. Additionally, actually putting out want ads is a world apart from just watching and waiting. Lots of people have stuff that's just inertly taking up space in their attic that they feel no particular pressure to get rid of and may have just about forgotten, but if they see that someone is actively seeking it, that both jogs their memory and motivates them in a way that mere "I should probably get rid of this eventually" thinking won't. Trust me, it's worth a try.
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Good luck, I hope you find what you need.
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Not sure I "Need" these two machines. The new audio studio will have many audio "generators" funneled into the main workstation/daw but I think I'd really like to have a corner of the studio that houses where I started. I'm fairly sure I can use those machines to generate some cool stuff for the new projects...
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Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.
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Commodore John, I completely agree, which is why I would like actual real machines funneled into the main daw. I have tried using vice and winuae on a pc funneled in and its a bad substitute for the actual hardware funneling in.
There is some character of sound lost in emulation. Nothing beats the real ones with all their subtle character...
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I started programming music for the first time on the c64's sid chip. Later I got an amiga 1000 second hand when everyone else was buying an amiga 500, and it changed me in so many ways. I learned sampling and "tracking" on the amiga with protracker, and later moved on to an amiga 500, then 2000, then to fast tracker on pc. I made some full length albums, using fast tracker as base tracks but adding guitar and vocals and real drums at times in my home studio...
Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers, someone might think it a good idea to donate a machine sitting unused in their garage or basement to someone who will actually produce some cool audio art with it...
I will be thanking anyone who helps or donates on my new album, website, and music videos.
best regards,
Steven
I assume you are referring to DJ Nick bounty. Well idea was to get user back to AmigaOS 4.1 with NG system (as 4.0 Classic I purchased him worked badly on his 603) which he would compensate by graphics and themes and website designs.
http://www.amigabounty.net/?function=viewproject&projectid=90
Deadline was not for many reasons, including that DJ Nick is self employed gfx / music artist and also a fresh dad.
But its ongoing saga, and Amiga Bounty and people that have donated have agreed its earned.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=37795&forum=27&19
You can find him at AW.net
If you wish you could try setting the same kind of bounty, but with people having similar attitude like yours to DJ Nick, I doubt it will succeed.
There are loaner SAM 440 boards if you decide to do some real programming.
Ahh, you want a Classic Amiga and real C64 ...? Huh ... hope someone has a spare working one, I don`t.
Not that your music talent sounds bad :-)
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Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.
An fpga SID can emulate everything well except the filters. A SID is very small in fpga and doesn't require DMA for it's looped "synthesizing". There was a recent discussion about adding SID capabilities to an enhanced Paula in fpga for this reason. I would bet money that someone has already had a Paula and SID in the same fpga before too. How good an fpga could make it sound, I don't know. It probably would sound different but hopefully better than software emulation. There are 2 different versions of the SID too. Most people prefer the early one with more distortion over the later bug fixed version with cleaner sound.
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An fpga SID can emulate everything well except the filters. A SID is very small in fpga and doesn't require DMA for it's looped "synthesizing". There was a recent discussion about adding SID capabilities to an enhanced Paula in fpga for this reason. I would bet money that someone has already had a Paula and SID in the same fpga before too. How good an fpga could make it sound, I don't know. It probably would sound different but hopefully better than software emulation. There are 2 different versions of the SID too. Most people prefer the early one with more distortion over the later bug fixed version with cleaner sound.
The thing is that "everything except the filters" is missing the single most important element in defining the SID's character. It's like the hallowed Moog filter - instantly recognizable, quirky and full of character, and it leaves an unmistakeable imprint on everything you subject to it. A SID without the SID filter is just some well-executed simple digital waveforms; it's not the SID. And a SID with a poor imitation of the SID filter is a weaksauce, plastic substitute.
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The SID is an analogue device. No FPGA will ever match that as it's a digital device, it'll only ever be an approximation.
Part of the reason the SID sounds so good is because of its limitations and flaws (such as the behaviour of the amplitude change, which is used to create speech) - no digital device will ever quite capture that.
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If anyone has a c64 or real amiga (I've been using a dedicated emulation machine for a long time, but for this is just does not sound the same) They would be willing to donate to the new studio please contact me....
Well, A500s are cheap as dirt, and I could try and find one for you, but we are so far away that you could buy a good A1200 for the postage alone :)
I am sure that one of the fellow USA dwellers will send you an A500. Another one an external floppy maybe. Then you could save a wee bit of money for several months, and buy Kipper2k's FAST RAM expansion. And you will have a terrific sound making machine :)
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Anyhow, just figured if someone can get a free next gen amiga system for making some wallpapers
:lol:
Prepare for Amiga.org's very own one man Serbian Mafia to report your post for daring to question the integrity of one of their countrymen. It happened to me when I dared to mention the same thing.
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:lol:
Prepare for Amiga.org's very own one man Serbian Mafia to report your post for daring to question the integrity of one of their countrymen. It happened to me when I dared to mention the same thing.
You must be joking ...
Vox showed no mercy to me and I just _REPLIED_ to the post with the above subject and we live in the same city :laugh1:
I used these for Chip music sounds in Cubase :
http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php
Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...
Sounds cool when used to create some Pink Floyd like effects :afro:
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You must be joking ...
Vox showed no mercy to me and I just _REPLIED_ to the post with the above subject and we live in the same city :laugh1:
:lol: No one is safe it seems! :)
I used these for Chip music sounds in Cubase :
http://woolyss.com/chipmusic-plugins.php
Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...
Sounds cool when used to create some Pink Floyd like effects :afro:
Ooh thanks for that link, just bookmarked it. :)
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Much easier than recording real SID sound and trying to mix it in as it cuts through the mix and you have to do heavy EQ to get it right and then it's nothing like original ...
Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)
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Best VST of all time, the Junglist! :)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/zmmymxfvyut/VstPlugins.rar
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:lol:
Prepare for Amiga.org's very own one man Serbian Mafia to report your post for daring to question the integrity of one of their countrymen. It happened to me when I dared to mention the same thing.
Hah, Serbian mafia :-) And one man army.
Point of integrity is proven by existence and work.
Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?
Bad, bad community style, mafia alike :-)
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if you were closer, I'd let you keep this A1000 w/1mb ram.
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Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)
True , it can probably be used as a good lead or solo ...
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Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?
Oh I was not dissing the guy, just stating a fact, he got a next gen amiga and made some wallpapers or themes...
C64 aquired! I will pick it up this weekend. I can hear the sid screaming now! - Amiga still needed.... Anyone?
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post
Hey, sometimes cutting through a mix is what you want out of a synth. (If you don't want the sound of a SID, why try to get the sound of a SID?)
True , it can probably be used as a good lead or solo ...
Yes I think its great for lead sounds and bass also...
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Even apart from nostalgia, there's very solid arguments to be made for actual hardware music gear, no matter how space-convenient a DAW is. Plenty of emulators don't do more than loosely approximate the sounds of hardware synths (and the SID filter in particular has never been emulated more than approximately,) and even with the Amiga UAE just doesn't quite have the same tone to it as the real thing.
I dunno, if you throw 2ghz worth of 32bit x86 at the latest reSID it can handle stuff like the SFX in Star Ranger or Hubbard tunes like Lightforce very competently.
I have 2 C64s with different SID revisions of the 6581 variety and one sounds nicer (in a way I can't describe in words) and one sounds worse than the latest VICE using the latest and most accurate reSID settings. The nicer sounding C64 unfortunately is one that would sell for about a grand on ebay so very few people will be able to appreciate that particular version (most SIDs are broken out there but they still produce sound so people assume that's how it was......until they have a go on my C64 I use daily).
I put feelers out for just a free A2000 motherboard with postage paid by me ages ago, got no joy (because most people in the UK are also up sh!t street too I guess) so I had to shelve my Ruck Bogers game sadly. As long as I get to write it before I go senile it's cool though, it is after all just I game for myself which I would have given free to the community to enjoy too if they like that sort of 2.5D space based shmup arcade games (this also means Gradius AGA, Gauntlet 1200 and my 2.5D Oblivion engine got shelved too). I'm currently working on Donkey Kong Jr and Vanguard for the C64 which is a real great laugh and it's great to be coding. Even did a tongue in cheek VIC-20 game I called Stardust V.I.C. too which is 80% complete (3 bugs I can't find in my code grrrrrr)
Luckily things picked up for me business wise and I've managed to get myself in at the grass roots of what will be a huge business in the very near future so I'm sure I won't baulk at £200 for the yellowed POS 1500s which don't even work on ebay lol
I hope things pick up for the OP too, sucks when you are creative but finances don't allow for purchase of tools to do anything with, I feel for you buddy...been there too myself for a couple of years before.
(I was of course grateful to the two forum members who offered me a free A500 but sadly I need a HDD for the constant compiling and also they were both on the other side of the Atlantic/Pacific so postage alone made it best to let those machines go to people on their home turf of course)
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Why starting discussion of your of needs with dissing some other bounty?
Oh I was not dissing the guy, just stating a fact, he got a next gen amiga and made some wallpapers or themes...
C64 aquired! I will pick it up this weekend. I can hear the sid screaming now! - Amiga still needed.... Anyone?
Did he ever make and release anything for his free PPC Amiga donated? Can't say I noticed.
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I dunno, if you throw 2ghz worth of 32bit x86 at the latest reSID it can handle stuff like the SFX in Star Ranger or Hubbard tunes like Lightforce very competently.
It's definitely better than it was (at least they're trying to emulate nonlinear filter response now! Embarassing how long that took, considering that no analog filters have ever had a linear response curve.) Still, when you have to throw a 2GHz CPU at something just to get an acceptable result, I'd have to maintain that real hardware is the better option.
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It's definitely better than it was (at least they're trying to emulate nonlinear filter response now! Embarassing how long that took, considering that no analog filters have ever had a linear response curve.) Still, when you have to throw a 2GHz CPU at something just to get an acceptable result, I'd have to maintain that real hardware is the better option.
I totally agree, the problem with the PC world has always been write the code....when a faster CPU comes out you can do more useful things with the OS.
The best way to go is always real hardware, SID problems aside playing C64 games on VICE using PC keyboards sucks because unlike C64 keyboards you can only press about 3 keys at once in certain combinations..........so on some games you can't move diagonally and fire at the same time hmmmm And playing Vanguard conversion in WinVICE will probably not work great as I am using the same fire controls of the VCS version in my C64 conversion!!
Sadly C64s just stop working if you don't use them regularly (even then they do but not quite so often) so there needs to be a solution for the future because few of the 30+ million C64s/128s sold still work today.
(sorry to OP for going off topic)
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Super happy to hear you found a machine to tinker around on - and hey, don't forget to share your end music with the rest of us. That's what it's all about in the end, sharing ones hard work with fellow minded people.