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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: andersbm on July 23, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
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Hi all!
I am very new to this forum and Amiga computers in general (had one when I was 12 years old, but that's like aaages ago now).
Bought an A600 with a ACA630-30 card, 20 GB (!) HD and a Easy ADF Transfer Kit. It came with Workbench 2.1 installed.
But I would very much like to do "a clean installation" and start from the scratch. So I bought a Kickstart 3.1., V. 4.0 from AmigaKit.com and now I am kind of stuck! :-(
For some reason I got the idea into my head, that it was still possible to buy Workbench 3.1. on floppy disks from AmigaKit. However, this is not the case.
Therefore, I need to either find a 2nd hand or download a WB 3.1., from some place. I will only use my A600 for gaming, using mainly WHD Load games.
Should I:
1) Download a WB 3.1. and make new floppys with Easy ADF?
2) Download WB 3.1. to my flashcard and somehow install it from there? (is that even possible).
3) Another option, which I have not considered yet?
Hope to hear from anyone, soon :-)
All best
Anders
Copenhagen
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purchase AmigaForever, this package has everything you need and a lot more !
or seek for adf of WB3.1 (easy to find with google)
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http://archive.org/details/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 2 of 6)(Workbench)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 3 of 6)(Extras)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 4 of 6)(Storage)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 5 of 6)(Locale)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 6 of 6)(Fonts)
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Personally I would download the six disk ADF's of Workbench 3.1 (Google is your friend) and do a fresh install on the Amiga with them. They'll have everything you'll need to get the system running under 3.1, then you can use your CF or somesuch to transfer updates and other files over from your PC onto the A600.
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purchase AmigaForever, this package has everything you need and a lot more !
or seek for adf of WB3.1 (easy to find with google)
Thanks for the kind advice. I was under the impression that AmigaForever is emulation for other OS (PC, Mac etc.) only?
All best
Anders
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Personally I would download the six disk ADF's of Workbench 3.1 (Google is your friend) and do a fresh install on the Amiga with them. They'll have everything you'll need to get the system running under 3.1, then you can use your CF or somesuch to transfer updates and other files over from your PC onto the A600.
Thanks a lot for the good advice :-) I think I'll do it this way. Then I'll also have the floppy's, which might come in handy when I screw up at some point ;-)
Considering that I will be using the A600 to play game (as many as possible!), are there any updates/cool software, which you would recommend?
All best
Anders
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Thanks for the kind advice. I was under the impression that AmigaForever is emulation for other OS (PC, Mac etc.) only?
All best
Anders
It is, but it comes with ADF images of all the OS installation disks.
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It is, but it comes with ADF images of all the OS installation disks.
Ah, I see. Handy! :-)
I'll look into purchasing one then. Any special edition, which would fit my purpose better?
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Ah, I see. Handy! :-)
I'll look into purchasing one then. Any special edition, which would fit my purpose better?
If you buy AF it is illegal for you to use the ADF images on a real Amiga due to Cloanto's licencing deal with Amiga Inc, so you might as well save yourself the money and google the filenames I just gave you Either way you are breaking the law. :)
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If you buy AF it is illegal for you to use the ADF images on a real Amiga due to Cloanto's licencing deal with Amiga Inc, so you might as well save yourself the money and google the filenames I just gave you Either way you are breaking the law. :)
Auch! He he, I don't like breaking the law in any ways - but when dealing with this kind of software I sometimes feel that it's almost impossible to avoid ;-)
Thanks for all the good advice! Looking much forward to gaming one of these days.
AB.
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http://archive.org/details/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 2 of 6)(Workbench)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 3 of 6)(Extras)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 4 of 6)(Storage)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 5 of 6)(Locale)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 6 of 6)(Fonts)
WOW!
Just ... WOW! Thanks man. There is ... like ... a LOT of files :-D
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Hi again Nicholas.
The Wokbench 3.1. files are in various versions. For example:
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install).zip (http://archive.org/download/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10.zip/Commodore%20Amiga%20%5BTOSEC%20v2012-04-10%5D%2FOperating%20Systems%2FWorkbench%2FCommodore%20Amiga%20-%20Operating%20Systems%20-%20Workbench%20%28TOSEC-v2011-11-01_CM%29%2FWorkbench%20v3.1%20rev%2040.42%20%281996%29%28ESCOM%29%28M10%29%28Disk%201%20of%206%29%28Install%29.zip)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)[m2].zip (http://archive.org/download/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10.zip/Commodore%20Amiga%20%5BTOSEC%20v2012-04-10%5D%2FOperating%20Systems%2FWorkbench%2FCommodore%20Amiga%20-%20Operating%20Systems%20-%20Workbench%20%28TOSEC-v2011-11-01_CM%29%2FWorkbench%20v3.1%20rev%2040.42%20%281996%29%28ESCOM%29%28M10%29%28Disk%201%20of%206%29%28Install%29%5Bm2%5D.zip)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)[m3].zip (http://archive.org/download/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10.zip/Commodore%20Amiga%20%5BTOSEC%20v2012-04-10%5D%2FOperating%20Systems%2FWorkbench%2FCommodore%20Amiga%20-%20Operating%20Systems%20-%20Workbench%20%28TOSEC-v2011-11-01_CM%29%2FWorkbench%20v3.1%20rev%2040.42%20%281996%29%28ESCOM%29%28M10%29%28Disk%201%20of%206%29%28Install%29%5Bm3%5D.zip)
Workbench v3.1 rev 40.42 (1996)(ESCOM)(M10)(Disk 1 of 6)(Install)[m].zip (http://archive.org/download/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10/Commodore_Amiga_TOSEC_2012_04_10.zip/Commodore%20Amiga%20%5BTOSEC%20v2012-04-10%5D%2FOperating%20Systems%2FWorkbench%2FCommodore%20Amiga%20-%20Operating%20Systems%20-%20Workbench%20%28TOSEC-v2011-11-01_CM%29%2FWorkbench%20v3.1%20rev%2040.42%20%281996%29%28ESCOM%29%28M10%29%28Disk%201%20of%206%29%28Install%29%5Bm%5D.zip)
Do you know what the differences between these files are and are there any, which should be avoided?
Once again: thanks for your help. So very much appreciated.
Anders
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The "m" means possibly modified, so avoid if a clean version exists (like the first Install in your list).
You can download the pdf file here which explains the "Naming Convention" as it's called:
https://archive.org/details/TncV20110827
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The "m" means possibly modified, so avoid if a clean version exists (like the first Install in your list).
You can download the pdf file here which explains the "Naming Convention" as it's called:
https://archive.org/details/TncV20110827
Ah, I see. Makes sense about the flags and the naming etc. Would just have been cool if it was written exactly what the modification was. But I'll just download the non-modified and hope to find a place in Copenhagen that sells floppy disks tomorrow ;-)
Thanks for all the good comments.
Anders
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Ah, I see. Makes sense about the flags and the naming etc. Would just have been cool if it was written exactly what the modification was. But I'll just download the non-modified and hope to find a place in Copenhagen that sells floppy disks tomorrow ;-)
Thanks for all the good comments.
Anders
Yeah like Paul said, avoid the modified ones if you can.
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Hi again guys.
Picking up on an old thread here. I finally got around to installing a new kickstart ROM and downloading Workbench 3.1. files to y CF Card.
But now I have a new problem! SIGH!
When I insert a new floppy (or old one for that matter) and try to format it, the system claims that the floppy is write protected (which it is NOT). Hence it cannot write the WB 3.1. ADF file to the floppy and I am stuck again.
This happens when using both EASY ADF transfer to floppy and if I use Workbenchs formatting tool.
Do you have any idea what can cause this problem?
Is it perhaps a faulty/broken floppy drive?
Hope to hear from someone soon.
All best
Anders
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Just mount a RAD and write adf to it, much faster and no need for floppies.
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I would put the A600 hard drive in a computer and install via WinUAE to the hard drive then just put the hard drive back in the Amiga.
Also I prefeer TSGui over Easy ADF, more sucessrate (for me at least) it and it supports writing HDF's back to hard drives! Great for backups (and loads faster then copying everything from within WB or DOS)!
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Clean the floppy drive, including the write-protect sensor?
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I would put the A600 hard drive in a computer
Kind of laughing at this comment, "put the A600 hard drive in a computer"... what, the A600 isn't a computer? ;) Everything you're trying to do can be done directly on the Amiga, just as Commodore intended. Everyone advocating the use of WinUAE just wants to take the easy way out, LOL. ;)
If you google "clean amiga floppy drive" there are many, many threads and videos on this subject that will come up. If every disk you insert is complaining about being write protected, I'd start there first. :)
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Kind of laughing at this comment, "put the A600 hard drive in a computer"... what, the A600 isn't a computer? ;) Everything you're trying to do can be done directly on the Amiga, just as Commodore intended. Everyone advocating the use of WinUAE just wants to take the easy way out, LOL. ;)
Whoops, I rarely tend to do a misstake like that :S I got a quite hectic phase right now, first I got a break in in my car and 2 days ago I bought a new house and ive given up smoking a few days ago so ill blame it on that ^^
Well back on topic, sure WinUAE is the easy way out but it works, I myself tend to do a HDF backup on my miggys quite often since I play around a lot in them and want to be able to rollback if i mess something up to much to my best working WB config.
There is no reason not do do it the easy way for me since I got limited spare time and doing a direct copy from within WB locks my miggy from use for a few hours (it really takes a few hours to do a copy on the real hardware for me), I do not get any satisfaction watching my my Amigas HDD led blink for 2-4h when I know it takes minutes on a Windows machine and those 2-4h could be spend doing somthing fun on my Amiga.
Just the satisfaction of knowing a copy was done on the real hardware is not nearly enough to compensate from hours of fun actually doing something on the Amiga instead.
But hey we all are different, some like this some like that and enjoy different things :)
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Hi again guys.
Thank you for all the kind replies. I fixed my floppy problem pretty "analouge": Took out the screws and opened the case, inserted a floppy, and saw that the little blakc plastic tap, which is supposed to check if a floppy is write protected, did not activate when inserting a floppy. Hence, I simply pushed gently down on the floppy after I inserted it, and VOILA!, suddently is was a writable floppy :-D
BUT, now I have a new problem :-(
Transferring ADFs to Floppy and making my brand new Workbench install set, was no problem at all. Started installing Workbench 3.1. and everything seemed to work smoothly. HOWEVER, when I rebootet after the final message ("The installation of Release 3.1. is now complete. To enable Release 3.1. you must reboot your amiga") - WELL, then NOTHING NEW HAPPENS! :-( It still boots in good ole' Workbench 2.1. :-(
I tried installing Workbench 3.1. three times in 3 different languages. Still the same result!
Also, after rebooting I get an error message: "ERROR: can't load keymap KEYMAPS:dk. However, I do not believe that this has got anything to do with the lack of a genuine 3.1. workbench boot.
Anybody have any good ideas on how I should fix this problem?
All best
Anders
Copenhagen
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Congrats on fixing the drive! :)
Re: the install problem, it sounds like you're trying to install 3.1 overtop of an existing 2.1 setup. Since there's no telling what's going on with that existing installation, I usually have the best success by first booting off the 3.1 Install disk, then use HDToolbox to wipe whatever existing partition data you have, set up new partitions (make sure to check the "Bootable" option for your first partition, and press enter in each field after changing anything), reboot (again booting off the 3.1 Install disk), format your new partitions, then install 3.1 with the installer script.
Try that and let us know how you get on, also if you search Youtube there's several videos from people showing how to install 3.1. I've been meaning to make a video myself, but you know, that whole "never enough time" thing. ;)
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Hi Mike.
Thanks for the very fast reply :-D
I will try to perform the operation that you suggest here. One very odd thing: When I do a mouse right-click and go to "Version", then it gives me the follwing info: "Kickstart Version 40.63, Workbench 40.42, 3.1 ROM". As far as I have been able to research WB 40.42 = WB 3.1.!!! However, my Workbench screen looks nothing like the characteristic "blue workbench 3.1", which I remember from my childhood. It looks just like the same old dull 2.1. How can this happen?
Hope to hear from you again :-)
Anders
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Workbench and Kickstart are two different things - you've got the 3.1 ROM installed correctly, but only running Workbench 2.1 on top of that. No worries, we'll get ya fully updated to 3.1 here, soon. :)
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However, my Workbench screen looks nothing like the characteristic "blue workbench 3.1", which I remember from my childhood. It looks just like the same old dull 2.1. How can this happen?
Blue 3.1? Are you sure about the versions? The Workbench 1.3 was the one with the blue background, the later ones are (by default) grey-coloured.
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Hi Mike.
Thanks for the very fast reply :-D
I will try to perform the operation that you suggest here. One very odd thing: When I do a mouse right-click and go to "Version", then it gives me the follwing info: "Kickstart Version 40.63, Workbench 40.42, 3.1 ROM". As far as I have been able to research WB 40.42 = WB 3.1.!!! However, my Workbench screen looks nothing like the characteristic "blue workbench 3.1", which I remember from my childhood. It looks just like the same old dull 2.1. How can this happen?
Hope to hear from you again :-)
Anders
Okay, I had to re-read your question again. It does sound like you're running Workbench 3.1, however if you've installed it on-top of an existing 2.1 installation then it may be some of your preferences are getting mucked up based on files from the old versions. Definitely recommend trying that "clean slate" approach mentioned earlier. ;)
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When you're done there check out mfilos's awesome blog post about making 3.1 look more modern. Personally I love VisualPrefs and Rebel's palette, but I'd skip Birdie on an ECS machine. ;)
http://www.mfilos.com/2012/01/guide-making-workbench-prettier-using.html
Also don't forget PeterK's updated icon.library! :)
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Blue 3.1? Are you sure about the versions? The Workbench 1.3 was the one with the blue background, the later ones are (by default) grey-coloured.
Arw, DARN! You're absolutely right! Just Pictures Googled Workbench 1.0, and that is exactely what I remember. Just thought that the 3.1. I have now, looks "older" with more boring graphics than the 1.0. Hence, the confusion. So perhaps I am already on Workbench 3.1. without knowing it. Silly! ;-)
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Hi again Mike.
Well that's good and bad news. Good because it does seem to work afterall. Bad because I was hoping that 3.1. would give me a tiiiny bit better graphics ;-) And also, the refference to "the blue look" is just me remembering my old Workbench 3.1.
"A clean slate" install sounds like just the thing for me! :-)
But just a newbies question: I have a 20 GB old iPod HD installed in my Amiga. Can I partion this HD in two and then make 1 for WB 3.1. and 1 for "Games"? Have NO experience with HD on an Amiga 600 whatsoever :-)
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And yes, PS: Thanks for the hints about the more "modern" look. I'll definately look into that :-)
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Hi again Mike.
Well that's good and bad news. Good because it does seem to work afterall. Bad because I was hoping that 3.1. would give me a tiiiny bit better graphics ;-) And also, the refference to "the blue look" is just me remembering my old Workbench 3.1.
"A clean slate" install sounds like just the thing for me! :-)
But just a newbies question: I have a 20 GB old iPod HD installed in my Amiga. Can I partion this HD in two and then make 1 for WB 3.1. and 1 for "Games"? Have NO experience with HD on an Amiga 600 whatsoever :-)
3.1 compared to 1.3 is like night and day, much more professional looking and easier to customize. 3.1 compared to 2.1... yeah, you probably won't see as much difference initially.
Re: the hard drive, if you google you'll find about a million threads on using large hard drives on an Amiga. AFAIR AmigaOS did not natively support hard drives larger then 4GB until 3.5 or 3.9. Prior to that you need to use a different file system like SFS or PFS (as opposed to the native Amiga FFS file system) to use that much space. While there are many valid good reasons to consider their use, IMHO FFS ain't that bad and it's what you've got to work with currently, so what I'd recommend is the following:
DH0: Workbench, 400MB
DH1: Work (music, graphics programs, whatever), 1700MB
DH2: Games, 1900MB
This keeps all your partitions smaller than 2GB, and your formatted capacity within the 4GB space. This is the "safe" option, feel free to go bigger if you want the "risky" option. All of these settings can be changed within HDToolbox on your 3.1 Install disk.
*disclaimer - I'm sure someone will come along and tell you different in about a minute. ;)
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Also for way more technical details than you'll ever need, ref. the Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Fast_File_System
Perfect for reading if you're having trouble sleeping. ;)
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DH0: Workbench, 400MB
DH1: Work (music, graphics programs, whatever), 1700MB
DH2: Games, 1900MB
This keeps all your partitions smaller than 2GB, and your formatted capacity within the 4GB space. This is the "safe" option, feel free to go bigger if you want the "risky" option. All of these settings can be changed within HDToolbox on your 3.1 Install disk.
*disclaimer - I'm sure someone will come along and tell you different in about a minute. ;)
SUPERB!
I'm only going to use the A600 for games (for a start at least), so going for new file formats etc. is just waaaay over my head! ;-) Hve done the partitions now and hope to boot the install disk succesfully in a min :-)
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All of these settings can be changed within HDToolbox on your 3.1 Install disk.
*disclaimer - I'm sure someone will come along and tell you different in about a minute. ;)
ARGH! Just ran into a problem. Partioned the HD in three as you suggested. However, first of all my WB 3.1. does not want to boot. It simply opens WB 3.1. and has a disk image on the "desktop". Secondly, the three partions are all "NDOS", so i cannot open, read or write to them.
How do I fix this? :-)
all best
Anders
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ARGH! Just ran into a problem. Partioned the HD in three as you suggested. However, first of all my WB 3.1. does not want to boot. It simply opens WB 3.1. and has a disk image on the "desktop". Secondly, the three partions are all "NDOS", so i cannot open, read or write to them.
How do I fix this? :-)
all best
Anders
After the partioning, reboot your system (booting off the 3.1 Install disk), then format each partition and give it a name from within Workbench - click on the partition (probably named "NDOS" or some gibberish name), then right-click and choose "Format" from the menu. Once each partition is formatted then you should be able to run the install script on the disk, and install onto your first partition (DHO) which should be the one made bootable in HDToolbox.
Can you tell I've done this a lot lately? ;)
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After the partioning, reboot your system (booting off the 3.1 Install disk), then format each partition and give it a name from within Workbench - click on the partition (probably named "NDOS" or some gibberish name), then right-click and choose "Format" from the menu. Once each partition is formatted then you should be able to run the install script on the disk, and install onto your first partition (DHO) which should be the one made bootable in HDToolbox.
Can you tell I've done this a lot lately? ;)
Ha ha ha - I REALLY appreciate that you have done it a lot lately ;-)
Just finished formatting the smallest partition ("WB"). Will now continue with the two large ones ("Games" and "Programs"). Will be back in a few days ;-) ;-)
And thanks for all the help so far. Advices like these makes me so much more fond of my Amiga 600 :-D
Anders
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After the partioning, reboot your system (booting off the 3.1 Install disk), then format each partition and give it a name from within Workbench - click on the partition (probably named "NDOS" or some gibberish name), then right-click and choose "Format" from the menu. Once each partition is formatted then you should be able to run the install script on the disk, and install onto your first partition (DHO) which should be the one made bootable in HDToolbox.
Can you tell I've done this a lot lately? ;)
Maaaaaan! It worked SO well! After the "clean slate" installation Workbench 3.1. is now in operation. Seems smooth and damn fast! So once again: Thanks a lot for your kind help :-D
As I mentioned earlier, I will mostly be using the Amiga for gaming. I have WHD Load, which I'm going to install later today. Also downloading Killer Gorilla as many people have recommended it to me.
But one question: If I want to download and install some of the new skins, graphics, fonts and icons that you suggested in an earlier post, should I do this NOW or can I do it after installing WHD Load and other software? (I guess my question really is: Will the installation of the new skins etc. become more of a hassle if I have a lot of games and programs installed already?).
Cheers
Anders
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No need to worry about the order you do things in. There are exceptions when it comes to patches, hacks, etc., but bringing them up now will probably only serve to confuse you. How full or empty your drive is doesnt influence these things anyway.
For now just install what you'd like and deal with those "hiccups" when/if you get to them :)
Things like skinning, new icons, etc. are tiny (a few megabytes), so there'll be no problems.
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No need to worry about the order you do things in. There are exceptions when it comes to patches, hacks, etc., but bringing them up now will probably only serve to confuse you. How full or empty your drive is doesnt influence these things anyway.
For now just install what you'd like and deal with those "hiccups" when/if you get to them :)
Things like skinning, new icons, etc. are tiny (a few megabytes), so there'll be no problems.
Thanks a lot for good advice :-)
It's also a matter of "the style of the Amiga look" ;-) As much as I would like better graphcis and colours, there also some nice oldschool love for the old original Workbench look :-D
I'll start with installing the essentials (pretty musch just WHD Load and Killer Gorilla for me), and will then return to add on nicer looks and features in the future.
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Good plan, glad ya got it working! :)
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Good plan, glad ya got it working! :)
Thanks a bunch man!
Already ran into my first problem however :-(
Did you ever try installing WHDload on a Amiga 600 running WB 3.1.?
I'm getting the strange error that "Can't find tool Installer". Now, when I look in C: , it's there! Also I installed EasyADF from the floppy with no problem what so ever. So yeah, the Installer is there.
How come that WHDload does not want to install?
Hope to hear from someone soon.
All best
Anders
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Try checking the icon tooltypes for the installation script. Is its default tool set to C:Installer?
You may also want to update to the latest version of the installer tool for 3.1, here:
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails3.htm
(7th down on the list under "Component")
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Try checking the icon tooltypes for the installation script. Is its default tool set to C:Installer?
You may also want to update to the latest version of the installer tool for 3.1, here:
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails3.htm
(7th down on the list under "Component")
Thanks a lot Mike :-) The default tool is set to "Installer", so I don't think the problem is here.
I'll try to download the newer version of the Installer tomorrow. Hopefully that will fix it! :-)
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Thanks a lot Mike :-) The default tool is set to "Installer", so I don't think the problem is here.
I'll try to download the newer version of the Installer tomorrow. Hopefully that will fix it! :-)
Like Mike says, change it to "C:Installer" (without quotes).
Not sure why C: isn't in your command path but that's another question entirely. More likely is that the Installer command isn't in C: to begin with.
Incidentally, the installer command doesn't get copied over to the hard drive when you install Workbench. This can be done manually by locating the file on the Install3.1 disk and copying it over to C:.
Using that new version though that Mike suggests is a good idea because there's a lot of install scripts that don't work with the old version of the installer command anymore.
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A default 3.1 install puts the tool Install in C: but not Installer. They're different :)
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A default 3.1 install puts the tool Install in C: but not Installer. They're different :)
@Paul81: Ha ha ha! See this is what I absolutely love about the Amiga and Workbench: When you get advice like the good one you just posted to me, you initially think "no way! It can't be that simple". BUT IT IS! Your advice worked perfectly and as @Matt_H wrote above, I did indeed have "Install", but no "Installer".
I copied the Installer from my 3.1. install floppy and VOILA! Now WHD Load is installed and I'm downloading Killer Gorilla and Retroplays massive packs. Looking forward to see just how many (or how few!) games will actually play on my Amiga 600 ;-)
Bottom line is: Thanks for all the kind help!
2 questions:
- Why is there a tool called "Install" and not "Installer"?
- I need to find a good unzip program to unzip Retroplay and Killer Gorillas WHD Load packs. Any recommendations?
Cheers from Copenhagen
Anders
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Try checking the icon tooltypes for the installation script. Is its default tool set to C:Installer?
You may also want to update to the latest version of the installer tool for 3.1, here:
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/TechDetails3.htm
(7th down on the list under "Component")
By the good advice of @Paul81 and @Mike_H I found a fix to my problem. Simply copied the "Installer" from my WB 3.1 Install floppy to my C: folder. It works! :banana:
So I'm aaaaall good now :)
But just out of curiosity: The link you gave me have some interesting thoughts on how to make 3.1 act more like 3.9. Have you tried these installs? Recommendable?
:pint: from Copenhagen
Anders
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But just out of curiosity: The link you gave me have some interesting thoughts on how to make 3.1 act more like 3.9. Have you tried these installs? Recommendable?
W00t. :)
Personally - I've installed nearly all those utilities at one time or another, plus many more off Aminet. Anything to squeeze an extra ounce of performance out of this 23-year-old hardware, ya know? But then again I enjoy spending time tinkering with stuff (and cursing a lot, mostly cursing). Might not be worth it if all ya want to do is WHDLoad games.
If you do though, I'd start with FFS, SetPatch, Installer, and the libraries. Here's one that's definitely recommended:
http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/IconLib_46.4
If you google "peter K icon library" you'll find all kinds of threads describing it, even a few youtube videos. On my A500 I'd been running an 8-color Workbench, after installing the Peter K library it got so much faster I had to bump it up to 16-color mode just to slow it back down, LOL. ;)
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If you buy AF it is illegal for you to use the ADF images on a real Amiga due to Cloanto's licencing deal with Amiga Inc
Wutt?
If Cloanto has a deal with Amiga Inc - how does that affect me as customer of Cloanto?
Somehow sounds like nonsense - I legally buy Amiga software from a licensed dealer and then am not allowed to run it on a real Amiga - just on x86 hw under Amiga emulation?
Bear with me - but it still sounds like nonsense...
Furthermore I cannot remember having seen a warning anywhere on my AF package that it is illegal to run ADFs on real Amigas.
How would the parties want to control if one makes legeal or illegel use of AF-ADFs?
If THAT would really have been intended, it would have been easier to implement code in the ADfs that prevents them from running on real Amiga HW...
Anyway, who cares for AInc, that bunch of frauders - I for sure don't...
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Either way you are breaking the law. :)
I'm not sure about that...
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If Cloanto has a deal with Amiga Inc - how does that affect me as customer of Cloanto?
I believe the copy of Workbench distributed with Amiga Forever has been "tampered with" to make it more difficult to extract the files necessary to run it on a real Amiga. But if you google there's hacks around that, or just download your Workbench software from bittorrent or somesuch, or copy a friend's disk, like everyone else does. ;)
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- Why is there a tool called "Install" and not "Installer"?
"Install" is an AmigaDOS command that writes ("installs") a boot block to a formatted device, so that for example a floppy disk is made bootable. I've always thought it's got a pretty strange name, considering that most other AmigaDOS command names are pretty logical.
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"Install" is an AmigaDOS command that writes ("installs") a boot block to a formatted device, so that for example a floppy disk is made bootable. I've always thought it's got a pretty strange name, considering that most other AmigaDOS command names are pretty logical.
Aahhh, I see. Was just about to write that it makes sense - but no, you are absolutely right: Considering what "Install" does, it's a pretty weird name :-D
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If you just want to run games you can make a small script wich will check your mouse buttons on startup. I made it to work like this, if i hold down the left mouse button on boot, Amiga starts Xbench which shows me all my whdload games and I can start them without booting into workbench. If I dont touch the mouse it boots into workbench. Of course you can use any other whdload launching tool in stead of Xbench.