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Title: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on June 30, 2013, 11:26:32 AM
If Autoboot on:
1. computer will not boot (black screen)

If Autoboot off:
1. computer start
2. sysinfo is visible the board and added memory
3. but there is no in hdtool masoboshi.device
 
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: jagoche on June 30, 2013, 12:41:13 PM
I use the same Mastercard without problems with both IDE and SCSI.

What kind of disc do you use? Does the problem also occur without disc?

When you use HDTool did you change device name to Masoboshi? Pay attention because it is case sensitive. In my case the device name is actually MASOBOSHI.device.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on June 30, 2013, 01:20:18 PM
does the memory string up ok?

what mass storage are you using SCSI or IDE ?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on June 30, 2013, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: Zetr0;739317
does the memory string up ok?
 
what mass storage are you using SCSI or IDE ?

I tested both IDE, and SCSI HDD.
In the Autoboot computer will not start.

When Autoboot off, the computer starts, but no in HDTool masoboshi.device. Memory is added.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: jagoche on July 01, 2013, 07:53:22 AM
In HDToolbox did you change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME?

You should changed it into something like SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=MASOBOSHI.device in order to see it.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 01, 2013, 03:46:26 PM
Quote from: jagoche;739421
In HDToolbox did you change the SCSI_DEVICE_NAME?
 
You should changed it into something like SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=MASOBOSHI.device in order to see it.

I'm using OS3.9 and do not understand how to change SCSI.device in HDTool ?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 01, 2013, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: jagoche;739310
What kind of disc do you use? Does the problem also occur without disc?
Without HDD same problem.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: hese7 on July 01, 2013, 04:44:22 PM
Quote from: aquapuls;739464
I'm using OS3.9 and do not understand how to change SCSI.device in HDTool ?

1. Select the HDToolBox icon
2. Press right mouse button and select Icons -> Information... from the Workbench menu
3. Change/add tool type SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=MASOBOSHI.device
4. Save the settings
5. Start HDToolBox
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 01, 2013, 05:23:16 PM
Quote from: hese7;739473
1. Select the HDToolBox icon
2. Press right mouse button and select Icons -> Information... from the Workbench menu
3. Change/add tool type SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=MASOBOSHI.device
4. Save the settings
5. Start HDToolBox
Thank you.
I did as instructed.
But masoboshi.device not in HDTool, only scsi.device ???
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: jagoche on July 01, 2013, 09:55:16 PM
Rename scsi.device into MASOBOSHI.device as hese7 already instructed you.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 02, 2013, 01:21:35 PM
If Autoboot on (jumper on):
1. computer will not boot (black screen)
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 02, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
If Autoboot off (jumper off):
1. computer start
2. sysinfo is visible the board and added memory
3. but there is no in hdtool masoboshi.device
 
It seems to me, the on board is not the original ROM (I bought board at the Ebay).
Any ideas?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: hese7 on July 02, 2013, 06:13:21 PM
When autoboot is off, you could try to boot the computer from the Masoboshi install disk.
The disk contains a file (Expansion/MMC) that loads the Masoboshi driver to memory when Binddrivers is called during startup.

You can get a list of loaded device drives by running SysInfo and clicking the Libraries/Devices/... gadget.
Is the Masoboshi driver on the list?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on July 03, 2013, 08:55:50 PM
@aquapuls

Its quite likely that the AutoBoot ROM is garbled and requires either re-programming or replacing.

You can find the BootROM on the install disk of the adaptor.  you can use this a bin image and program the another 27c256 (it maybe a 27c128) just an educated guess.

Sadly I cannot log-onto amiga.resource.cx to confirm that .
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: zipper on July 03, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
Well, http://web.archive.org/web/20130406091703/http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/mastercard
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 03, 2013, 10:13:52 PM
Quote from: zipper;739754
Well, http://web.archive.org/web/20130406091703/http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/mastercard

Why closed amiga.resource.cx?
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: b0ris747 on July 03, 2013, 11:57:14 PM
Quote from: Zetr0;739751
@aquapuls

Its quite likely that the AutoBoot ROM is garbled and requires either re-programming or replacing.

You can find the BootROM on the install disk of the adaptor.  you can use this a bin image and program the another 27c256 (it maybe a 27c128) just an educated guess.

Sadly I cannot log-onto amiga.resource.cx to confirm that .

I can confirm autoboot+defective ROM gets you to black screen on this card. I have MC302 and MC702, and autoboot+wrong program in ROM makes it a black screen.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: zipper on July 04, 2013, 07:56:58 AM
Quote from: aquapuls;739755
Why closed amiga.resource.cx?


Their (crappy?) server seems to be down every now and then.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on July 04, 2013, 10:14:09 AM
Quote from: zipper;739754
Well, http://web.archive.org/web/20130406091703/http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/mastercard

Excellent!

Thank-you for the link, I managed to get the install / tools disks - quite a handy feature that web-archive!

Quote from: b0ris747;739765
I can confirm autoboot+defective ROM gets you to black screen on this card. I have MC302 and MC702, and autoboot+wrong program in ROM makes it a black screen.

Sadly after combing the disks I cannot find the device driver persay - would it be possible for you to copy the contents of your MC702 boot ROM - I am sure I can then easily program a chip up for aquapuls to get his card off the ground.

The Masoboshi Master-Card 702 is a wonderful card, perhaps the only card with DMA IDE on the Amiga - it would be such a shame if its left in a non-usable state.

In fact if anyone can help with a MC702 Autoboot ROM image - that would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: jagoche on July 05, 2013, 04:51:46 PM
@Zetr0
Try this patch for MC702 card. It says it includes MASOBOSHI.device V2.202 Eprom code.

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/amiga/aminet/biz/patch/spmaso12.lha
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on July 06, 2013, 12:24:02 AM
Quote from: jagoche;739939
@Zetr0
Try this patch for MC702 card. It says it includes MASOBOSHI.device V2.202 Eprom code.

http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/os/amiga/aminet/biz/patch/spmaso12.lha

Well found and caught sir!


I have found the ROM file, its 17.5k which is quite interesting as this means one requires a 32k chip -


@Aquapuls
I have a few chips so if you would like, just send me a PM of your address and I will post you a programmed chip - I will get you a postage quote it should be quite cheap.

If you have the kit at home to program these then you will need a 27c256 @ 200ns (or lower) you will need to "pad" the end with "00"'s or "FF"'s  I would recommend the latter.

Alternatively one could use a EEPROM W27E257 (Winbond 32k)
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: jagoche on July 06, 2013, 12:09:05 PM
@Zetr0
Glad to help.

Please let us know how the chip programming worked for you.

If it works well and you have spare chips left I would also be interested in one with V2.202. I will cover the costs of course.

I have V2.182 so I couldn't apply the patch, but never made an effort to upgrade with new chip.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: hese7 on July 06, 2013, 12:50:36 PM
Atleast I can confirm the ROM file is valid, I revived one MC-702 back to life with the v2.202 ROM.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on July 07, 2013, 01:00:37 AM
Quote from: jagoche;740009
@Zetr0
Glad to help.

Please let us know how the chip programming worked for you.

Actually its to help Aquapuls, I no longer have a Masoboshi MC702 - I have to admit, I do regret selling this card now... not because I needed it.... but because I want it LOL!

Quote from: jagoche;740009
If it works well and you have spare chips left I would also be interested in one with V2.202. I will cover the costs of course.

I have V2.182 so I couldn't apply the patch, but never made an effort to upgrade with new chip.

I would be my pleasure to help, just PM your details we can sort out the rest from there.

Quote from: hese7;740014
Atleast I can confirm the ROM file is valid, I revived one MC-702 back to life with the v2.202 ROM.

This is great news, if I could be so bold as to ask - Could you confirm the details of the chip containing the Boot ROM - it should read something like 27C256 - 20 or 200.

I do so appreciate it.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: hese7 on July 07, 2013, 07:38:36 AM
Quote from: Zetr0;740058
This is great news, if I could be so bold as to ask - Could you confirm the details of the chip containing the Boot ROM - it should read something like 27C256 - 20 or 200.

It was an NM27C256Q but didn't take a look at the speed, sorry. I glued the sticker back so can't check it anymore.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: Zetr0 on July 07, 2013, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: hese7;740078
It was an NM27C256Q but didn't take a look at the speed, sorry. I glued the sticker back so can't check it anymore.

My friend that is perfectly fine, its just the data I needed to confirm the require PROM size!

My sincere thanks.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on July 07, 2013, 12:52:13 PM
Quote from: Zetr0;739977
Well found and caught sir!
 
 
I have found the ROM file, its 17.5k which is quite interesting as this means one requires a 32k chip -
 
 
@Aquapuls
I have a few chips so if you would like, just send me a PM of your address and I will post you a programmed chip - I will get you a postage quote it should be quite cheap.
 
If you have the kit at home to program these then you will need a 27c256 @ 200ns (or lower) you will need to "pad" the end with "00"'s or "FF"'s I would recommend the latter.
 
Alternatively one could use a EEPROM W27E257 (Winbond 32k)

Dear @Zetr0,
Thank you.
Unfortunately I do not have a device for programming EPROM.
I'm willing to pay you for a ready-ROM (EPROM) with V2.202 (including shipping), if possible.
Title: Re: Masoboshi SCSI/IDE MasterCard (MC-702) problem
Post by: aquapuls on August 18, 2013, 12:32:02 PM
EPROM V2.202 for Masoboshi card arrived.
It works perfectly.
Thank you very much for @Zetr0.