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The text under my username when I post says "Too much caffeine". But... How can you get too much caffeine? Isn't it the more the better?
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The text under my username when I post says "Too much caffeine". But... How can you get too much caffeine? Isn't it the more the better?
It's like anything other legal stimulant. In small doses it's fine. In larger does it can cause lots of health related issues. People can build up a tolerance to caffeine and need more in order to get any kind of 'hit' from it.
Here is a list of stuff that can happen from drinking too much.
- Jitters, Restlessness, and Nervousness
- Increased heartbeat
- Nausea
- Anxiety
- Heart palpitations (cardiac arrhythmia)
- Insomnia
- Sweating
- Dizziness
- Vomiting
I have read about full on heart attacks happening because too much has been consumed but I am unsure how much was actually consumed. I would presume that there are underlying health issues too in order to cause this.
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It's like anything other legal stimulant. In small doses it's fine. In larger does it can cause lots of health related issues. People can build up a tolerance to caffeine and need more in order to get any kind of 'hit' from it.
Here is a list of stuff that can happen from drinking too much.
- Jitters, Restlessness, and Nervousness
- Increased heartbeat
- Nausea
- Anxiety
- Heart palpitations (cardiac arrhythmia)
- Insomnia
- Sweating
- Dizziness
- Vomiting
I have read about full on heart attacks happening because too much has been consumed but I am unsure how much was actually consumed. I would presume that there are underlying health issues too in order to cause this.
I got all those and I don't even drink coffee. Unfair.!
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Maybe I have some kind of tolerance against coffe, I don't know. I have no problem drinking coffee before bed and I can't understand when people say "I can't have coffee in the afternoon because I can't sleep". It's many, many hours until bedtime! Very alien to me.
In fact, a cup of coffe has a relaxing effect on me. I guess because you are essentially taking a break. Sit down for ten minutes with a coffe and you feel much better!
I do agree that excessive coffee consumption might not be such a good idea if you have health issues.
Ok, to much babbling. I need coffe;)
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Same here, I can finish that last sip of coffee, lay down and I am OUT :lol:
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It's like anything other stimulant. In small doses it's fine.
There, fixed that for you ;-).
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Same here, I can finish that last sip of coffee, lay down and I am OUT :lol:
Some people would call that addiction. I'm not addicted to coffe, I can stop drinking anytime I want. But I do not want to stop drinking. Why would I?
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You're just in denial.
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You're just in denial.
I don't know what you are talking about;)
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It's like anything other legal stimulant. In small doses it's fine. In larger does it can cause lots of health related issues. People can build up a tolerance to caffeine and need more in order to get any kind of 'hit' from it.
Here is a list of stuff that can happen from drinking too much.
- Jitters, Restlessness, and Nervousness
- Increased heartbeat
- Nausea
- Anxiety
- Heart palpitations (cardiac arrhythmia)
- Insomnia
- Sweating
- Dizziness
- Vomiting
I have read about full on heart attacks happening because too much has been consumed but I am unsure how much was actually consumed. I would presume that there are underlying health issues too in order to cause this.
It can cause problems for people with mental health issues too.
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It's like anything other legal stimulant. In small doses it's fine. In larger does it can cause lots of health related issues. People can build up a tolerance to caffeine and need more in order to get any kind of 'hit' from it.
Here is a list of stuff that can happen from drinking too much.
- Jitters, Restlessness, and Nervousness
- Increased heartbeat
- Nausea
- Anxiety
- Heart palpitations (cardiac arrhythmia)
- Insomnia
- Sweating
- Dizziness
- Vomiting
+9
Caffeine is a powerful drug and should be used responsibly.
I didn't know caffeine was a drug and one of my girlfriends would come over and make me a large pitcher of Tea. (I think she used a lot of teabags). OMG it TASTED SO GOOOD! I would drink the whole gallon in 1 day. Then I would get really euphoric and become a supermegacoder. Then my heart would start to beat irregularly.
> How do u know it was beating irregularly?
Because while sitting lazily in a completely relaxed way my heart was POUNDING away in my chest. I could easily feel every heartbeat in my chest and in my fingers. I could feel it doing this weird irregular jumping around thing. Not good!
So after that I used caffeine only in small controlled doses.
Many years later I got to the point that I had to completely STOP using caffeine in any way.
Millions of ppl have restless leg syndrome which can be cured by avoiding caffeine. But no doctor will tell you that. They keep it secret so they can make more money off of you.
Millions of ppl grind their teeth at night which can be cured by avoiding caffeine. But no doctor will tell you that. They keep it secret so they can make more money off of you.
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Maybe I have some kind of tolerance against coffe, I don't know. I have no problem drinking coffee before bed and I can't understand when people say "I can't have coffee in the afternoon because I can't sleep". It's many, many hours until bedtime! Very alien to me.
In fact, a cup of coffe has a relaxing effect on me. I guess because you are essentially taking a break. Sit down for ten minutes with a coffe and you feel much better!
If caffeine relaxes you then you are addicted to caffeine.
Ppl who smoke say the same thing.
"In fact, a cigarette has a relaxing effect on me. I guess because you are essentially taking a break. Sit down for ten minutes with a cigarette and you feel much better!"
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Millions of ppl have restless leg syndrome which can be cured by avoiding caffeine. But no doctor will tell you that. They keep it secret so they can make more money off of you.
In the civilised world where we have free healthcare the doctors will.
Millions of ppl grind their teeth at night which can be cured by avoiding caffeine. But no doctor will tell you that. They keep it secret so they can make more money off of you.
See above. ;)
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In the civilised world where we have free healthcare the doctors will.
No part of any world has free healthcare.
You pay for it with gigantic ridiculously high taxes.
You pay for it with a depressed economy.
You pay for it with depressed technology.
You pay for it with rampant poverty.
You pay, you pay and then you pay some more, whether you need any healthcare or not.
You can be 100% healthy every day for 10 years but you will still PAY thousands of $$$$ every single year for your "free healthcare".
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Maybe I have some kind of tolerance against coffe, I don't know. I have no problem drinking coffee before bed and I can't understand when people say "I can't have coffee in the afternoon because I can't sleep". It's many, many hours until bedtime! Very alien to me.
In fact, a cup of coffe has a relaxing effect on me. I guess because you are essentially taking a break. Sit down for ten minutes with a coffe and you feel much better!
Try a fairly strong coffee before bedtime. That might make a difference.
As far as relaxing, that might be because of endorphin release. Plus you are satisfying a craving.
Those who might get restless leg syndrome you need to take some kind of magnesium supplement. Your diet may be deficient in magnesium.
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No part of any world has free healthcare.
I agree. Either you pay for your need out of your pocket or everyone contribute to the healthcare system with taxes. There is no such thing as a free lunch. However, the term "free healthcare" is used for healthcare that is publically funded, and that's the definition I'm going to use. What is mentioned as "free" is in fact publically funded.
You pay for it with gigantic ridiculously high taxes.
What you consider "ridiculously high taxes" has to be set in proportion of what you get for your tax money. For example, if I pay 10% but it's all used to pay our politicians an nothing more, that would be "ridiculously high taxes" because nothing is being spent on anything productive. What if I pay 30-35% tax but I get free education (from primary school to university), free healthcare, subsidised childcare, generous parental leave as well as a well maintained road and train infrastructure? I would be happy to live in a coutry like that because you got a lot of value from your tax money, it's not "ridiculously high taxes" in that case.
You pay for it with a depressed economy.
Australia is doing well at the moment. It was pretty much the only country that was left untouched by the GFC. Northern Europe (especially Finland and Sweden) is doing great; balanced state budgets and a healthy economy. And these two countries (and Australia) have free healthcare and education. Nothing depressing there (except the cold and the darkness amybe;) )! Please compare the economy of these three countries with free healthcase with the US economy that doesn't have free healthcare. Well, it seems that US is paying for it's non-free healthcare with a depressed economy.
You pay for it with depressed technology.
Huh? Have you seen the technology in north Europe? Just take broadband connection as a percentage of population. All nordic countries (Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark) have a higher coverave of broadband than US. Sweden, considered to be a high salary country, still manage to be an export driven economy. Why? Well, if you can't compete with salary you have to do things more efficiently. So the basis of the Swedish inustry success is skilled workers and smart technlogy. Have you seen the amount of automation? I have visited the huge mine in the north of Sweden, it's the world largest underground mine. It's relly impressed. The guys controlling the loaders were not sitting in the loaders, they were sitting in a control room a couple of 100 metres above the loaders. Being a miner is not a dirty and dangerous job there.
You pay for it with rampant poverty.
I disagree. To use tax money to pay for things that are in everyones interest helps reduce poverty. Why? Well, should your ability to study be dictated by your parents bank account? Education and healthcare should not be a privilige for the rich. It is in everyones interest that this is publically funded. If you are just looking at cold number, take this example: A guy is injured and can not work. He can't afford to go to the doctor and as such is left out of the workforce. If he had access to free helthcare he could go to the doctor and get cured (medication, rehabilitation or whatever) and he could join the workforc again. He will then earn money so he could live, he will spend money and he will help with improving the economy. For me, this is an example that free healthcare helps the economy and reduces poverty. Non-free healthcare only helps to maintaine the gap between rich and poor.
You pay, you pay and then you pay some more, whether you need any healthcare or not.
Yes, thats how it works with taxes. Maybe you won't get everying cent paid in tax back this year but maybe some other year you are receiveing more that you paid. I'll balance itself. You have to consider that one tax rate is supposed to pay for all stages in life. Your parents pay taxes for you so you have the privilige to be born (at least here delivery is for free). You will get paid education. You will start wokrking, start a family and you will pay taxes for the benefits of your children. And later you will retire. You have to ask yourself, is the tax rate you pay now a good investment for all the benefits that you will receive trough your life?
You can be 100% healthy every day for 10 years but you will still PAY thousands of $$$$ every single year for your "free healthcare".[/QUOTE]
I won't argue against that. In fact, I a ok with paying taxes to the healthcare for someone in need. One day it will be my turn to use the healthcare and I'm not going to complaing about the "ridiculously high taxes" I've paid in the past when I'm in the situation when I need help from the public!
Oh, so much ranting. Most of it might be incomprehensible. Sorry for being politically but it was too good of a bait to not bite. Oh, I need coffee:drink:
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No part of any world has free healthcare.
You pay for it with gigantic ridiculously high taxes.
You pay for it with a depressed economy.
You pay for it with depressed technology.
You pay for it with rampant poverty.
You pay, you pay and then you pay some more, whether you need any healthcare or not.
You can be 100% healthy every day for 10 years but you will still PAY thousands of $$$$ every single year for your "free healthcare".
Free at the point of entry.
I agree with Mr Knight.
I paid 40% income tax for most of my working life and the higher rate of National Insurance quite gladly because I knew those not as fortunate to be earning as much as me would have access to the same high standard of services as myself.
If you don't like your doctor behaving like a snake oil salesman then I can only say you reap what you sow.
History will judge a civilisation by how it treated it's most vulnerable citizens.....
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You pay for it with gigantic ridiculously high taxes.
Actually, most nationalised healthcare systems are cheap.
The UK's NHS, for example, cost roughly half as much per person as the US government spends on healthcare, before you even start to factor in private insurance costs.
So not only do we spend *less* in taxes on healthcare, we also don't need to worry about additional insurance.
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Oh, so much ranting. Most of it might be incomprehensible. Sorry for being politically but it was too good of a bait to not bite. Oh, I need coffee:drink:
Who invited you to present a balanced and sensible world view? No one blindly loves mega business like we do. ;)
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Who invited you to present a balanced and sensible world view? No one blindly loves mega business like we do. ;)
EDIT THE NEXT DAY: Sorry Mrknight and Nicholas. I should have simply replied +1 and left out the drippy sarcasm. It is frustrating that a few very persuasive voices have convinced many that a profit motivated healthcare system in this country is far better and more trustworthy than a government pooled system.
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Don't pay for healthcare. Claim disability and get it for free!
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Don't pay for healthcare. Claim disability and get it for free!
I agree with Kesa. I never pay for healthcare. I just tell them it hurts, then they fix it.
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EDIT THE NEXT DAY: Sorry Mrknight and Nicholas. I should have simply replied +1 and left out the drippy sarcasm. It is frustrating that a few very persuasive voices have convinced many that a profit motivated healthcare system in this country is far better and more trustworthy than a government pooled system.
Don't worry, the sarcasm was appreciated. :)
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You can be 100% healthy every day for 10 years but you will still PAY thousands of $$$$ every single year for your "free healthcare".
I would rather pay into a system and know that I will be treated regardless of social or economical status than pay private insurance and not be guarenteed to get treatment. Don't forget that our taxes and national issurance pays for hospitals, ambulances, clinics, nurse led units, gp's and a whole lot of other things.
Also where did the depressed technology bit come into it? Didn't know technology had got to the stage where it could get depressed. :huh:
Oh and I work for the NHS. We have some of the best medical devices money can buy in our new hospital. Would hardly call it dated, useless or even "depressed" ;)
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I would rather pay into a system and know that I will be treated regardless of social or economical status than pay private insurance and not be guarenteed to get treatment. Don't forget that our taxes and national issurance pays for hospitals, ambulances, clinics, nurse led units, gp's and a whole lot of other things.
Also where did the depressed technology bit come into it? Didn't know technology had got to the stage where it could get depressed. :huh:
Oh and I work for the NHS. We have some of the best medical devices money can buy in our new hospital. Would hardly call it dated, useless or even "depressed" ;)
I had minor surgery recently and was forced to have it done at a private CareUK clinic paid for by the NHS.
It went against every principle I have. :(
What makes it even worse is that this scheme was put in place by Labour not the Tories.
New Labour==Old Tory.
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Good discussion! I was just doing a random posting about caffeine but this health care debate is much better.
I found this table
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS
It shows that US is spending almost double percentage of GDP compared to Australia, UK, Sweden and Finland just to name a few.
I talked to a co-worker a couple of days ago and he told me a story he had with a guy when he visited US. He told that the hospital scheduled in unnessesary operations for his relative even if it was shown after the first operation that it was no use. The relative was beyond recover. But the hospital scheduled all the operations and the insurance compay paid for them. Sounds to me that the hospital was more than happy to milk as much money as possible...
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Good discussion! I was just doing a random posting about caffeine but this health care debate is much better.
I found this table
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.XPD.TOTL.ZS
It shows that US is spending almost double percentage of GDP compared to Australia, UK, Sweden and Finland just to name a few.
I talked to a co-worker a couple of days ago and he told me a story he had with a guy when he visited US. He told that the hospital scheduled in unnessesary operations for his relative even if it was shown after the first operation that it was no use. The relative was beyond recover. But the hospital scheduled all the operations and the insurance compay paid for them. Sounds to me that the hospital was more than happy to milk as much money as possible...
But but but t3h communists!!!
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But but but t3h communists!!!
Soo.. It's better to be agains free (public funded) healthcare than be called a communist? :confused:
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Soo.. It's better to be agains free (public funded) healthcare than be called a communist? :confused:
Eh? :confused:
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Eh? :confused:
Well, you implied that you are a communist if you are a supporter of free healthcare.
Or I got that wrong...
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Well, you implied that you are a communist if you are a supporter of free healthcare.
Or I got that wrong...
Erm, no I was taking the piss out of certain Americans when they talk about free health care. Lol
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As an American who is completely in favor of socialized medicine I've got to ask, what's wrong with socialism ('communism' on the other hand is a bad joke)?
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As an American who is completely in favor of socialized medicine I've got to ask, what's wrong with socialism ('communism' on the other hand is a bad joke)?
Marx and Engels idea that capitalism is needed in order to then implement socialism was correct, but their idea that socialism would then lead to communism (Remember, there has never been a communist state ever) is flawed because it does not take into account the fact that humans are greedy by nature. So because of this communism will never become a reality. Better to allow free enterprise in private business and socialised infrastructure and utilities paid for by the taxes raised by private capital.
Can I ask any Americans reading this that are opposed to healthcare and public utilities paid for by taxes why they are not opposed to the following socialized things.
Education from kindergarten up to high school.
Fire and rescue service.
Police service.
Other 911 emergency services.
Armed Forces.
Roads and highways.
Street lighting and maintenance.
Public parks.
Public beaches.
And the big one... NASA!
Etc etc......
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Caffeine is there in a lot of products like tea and coffee(commonly found). Too much definitely is bad. But if you have 2-3 cups of coffee or teat its not harmful. And for tea it is even beneficial.