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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: Themamboman on June 12, 2013, 04:27:52 PM
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I have posted one of my Amiga 4000T machines on Ebay if anyone is interested. For right now, I'm limiting the sale to just North America due to the very heavy weight which would result in much higher shipping costs if I go international. This may change later depending on the response to this auction.
The machine has a 4GB compact flash card as the main IDE harddrive, a DVD Writer, OS3.9 with Boing Bags 1 & 2, as well as the unofficial 3 and 4 installed.
Picasso96 with the GVP Spectrum 28/24 card for a nicer desktop experience
Hydra ethernet card for internet connectivity
16MB system RAM (maxed motherboard RAM)
A3640 68040/25Mhz rev 3.1
Syquest 125MB drive,
case lock key,
keyboard and Mouse, etc
It was fun to restore. I got it from someone who had picked it up as part of a bundle of old hardware that was found in a dry warehouse in Florida. It wasn't even working at the time. I've upgraded it and gotten it back into working condition.
These machines are getting harder and harder to find as the years go on, so don't miss out!
Link is here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=261229612112
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Well, that was quick...
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Was that your BIN price? Yeah, probably would've fetched more in standard auction format. Hen's teeth!!
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No offense man, but this kinda stuff pisses me off :angryfire: WTH ?!
"I was just walking down the street and stopped in this alley to pee and tripped over a pile of rare amigas and 2 gold bars...."
NOTHING like this EVER happens to anyone actually looking to buy such a machine, or in crappy Minnesota. I swear all the f'ing stuff that doesn't suck is on either coast ! :D
ALSO...that was quick...congrats man ! You could buy a nice 2000 and keep the change ! If you need counseling after the ebay fee raping, I know a good support group...
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The Buy-It-Now price was $849.99. Maybe that was a bit low, in hindsight...
Anyway, to those who were interested, don't worry, it wasn't the only one I had, it was just the first one that was ready to be released back into the wild.
In the future, I'll try to make it so that more people don't get shut out so quickly.
Have fun.
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How many did you trip over...lol j/k :) I hope you find a semi trailer full and open a web store :D. It's kinda low after ebay gets their almost 15 percent...:cry:...not your fault though :)
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With the spectrum card you should have seen $1200 to $1400 for even a BIN!
RoyalCrown, "Ask (Er, pay) and ye shall receive"
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Is that because of the passthrough or just the fact that it had an RTG card?
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With the spectrum card you should have seen $1200 to $1400 for even a BIN!
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Damn just 850$ for a fully working 4000T :/ Where I live ive seen 4000D's near unexpanded go for near that amount. The last 4000T I saw on Swedish ebay sold for near 2000$ and it diden't even work and was really yellow :/
I was planning on getting a 4000D this year, maybe I should keep my eyes open for a 4000T instead :)
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With the spectrum card you should have seen $1200 to $1400 for even a BIN!
I think that's too much with just the 3640 accelerator. $800-$1000 is about right, maybe a little more for being so clean.
$400-$700 Base 4000T with 3640
$100-$200 Spectrum
$50-$100 Hydra
The other trinkets, setup and condition no doubt added more but it's more difficult to estimate the luck and like aspects ;).
Is that because of the passthrough or just the fact that it had an RTG card?
The Spectrum passthrough is nice but a Cybervision 64 can be bought for not much more and is way better performance.
Nice job btw. Your presentation and reasonable buy it now price and shipping made for a quick sell. You might have sold it for a little more if you weren't in a hurry but I think you did pretty good.
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Wow, apparently, someone got a very good deal from me today.
No worries though, it was a learning experience.
As I've alluded to in other posts, it wasn't the only one I had. If/when I decide to let another one go, I may just post something a few days before hand to let those that might be interested that one is coming up so that more will have a chance to keep an eye out for it. I'll also not let it have a buy it now (or whatever depending on the format) so that anyone that wants will have a better chance to at least participate.
Working on this one was fun, but I'd forgotten how frustrating working with old hardware can be.
After seeing Apple's big event earlier this week, I can't help but wonder what the latest gen amiga would have been if Commodore hadn't screwed up so badly and all the lawsuits, etc. That new Mac Pro should have been the new Amiga Pro...I digress.
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I think that's too much with just the 3640 accelerator. $800-$1000 is about right, maybe a little more for being so clean.
$400-$700 Base 4000T with 3640
$100-$200 Spectrum
$50-$100 Hydra
The other trinkets, setup and condition no doubt added more but it's more difficult to estimate the luck and like aspects ;).
The Spectrum passthrough is nice but a Cybervision 64 can be bought for not much more and is way better performance.
Nice job btw. Your presentation and reasonable buy it now price and shipping made for a quick sell. You might have sold it for a little more if you weren't in a hurry but I think you did pretty good.
I'm afraid, Toto, we are not in Kansas any longer. A working standard A4000T will bring in $1000, moderate condition $1100, nice condition $1200+. You are on the money with the Spectrum 24/28, but only the 2Base BNC Hydra would go for less than $100; all RJ-45 NICs will bring in the near $200 range, though the Hydra is the least desirable.
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With the spectrum card you should have seen $1200 to $1400 for even a BIN!
RoyalCrown, "Ask (Er, pay) and ye shall receive"
That is the card I have in my 3000, hopefully get it running in the next cpl days. As far as, pay and recieve...sure, but I'd much rather find a pile of amigas in an alley, or in some attic for free. How many times does that happen...apparently a lot over in the UK....they suck like that :D
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I'm afraid, Toto, we are not in Kansas any longer. A working standard A4000T will bring in $1000, moderate condition $1100, nice condition $1200+. You are on the money with the Spectrum 24/28, but only the 2Base BNC Hydra would go for less than $100; all RJ-45 NICs will bring in the near $200 range, though the Hydra is the least desirable.
There was a 4000T that sold for $550-$600 on this forum not long ago. I made an offer because it was so cheap but didn't get it. I don't think it had a 3640 but it did have a SCSI media card drive and HD floppy which makes up for it. The condition looked good and it was working. I bought an Ariadne 1 ethernet card (one of the fastest) for $80 which blows the Hydra away and I gave a Hydra card away to a friend. I'm sure Hydras have gone for more than $100 and Spectrums have sold for more than $200 but the buyer either doesn't understand the hardware or they in a hurry to buy.
Prices do vary a lot by location. The U.S. is cheap with the coasts being higher. Shipping is an issue with the big box Amigas or foreigners would buy them up. I think the fpgaArcade and the promise of other fpga hardware has reduced the insane prices a little. Collectors still want the old Amigas but many users would rather have the conveniences that newer technology provides.
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Yes, one may find "once in a blue moon" prices, but on the whole following the general trend on Amibay and eBay, the prices I gave are just what you will find. The average user won't just chuck his Amiga out in the street, and will reference the going prices on EAB, Amibay, eBay.uk, and here before putting up his stuff for sale. Some prices if listed as BIN are good enough for some of to pick them up as soon as we see them (the reason why I check those places about six times a day). :)
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Does Spectrum work on Zorro III mode? I would be very interested to know how it performs. I have one in Zorro II extender of A1200 and doom is limited to 14fps when AGA performs 33fps, with Quake I get 12 fps and AGA 16
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With Cirrus 5426/5428 it's one of the slowest cards - but still faster at ZIII than ZII.
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I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?
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I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?
If I can get mine running, I can let you know, mine is in my 3000 so zorro 3, but it has a jumper to force zorro 2 on it. Should be easy to run benches with forced zorro 2 vs 3 (autodetect).
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I know, but I have some doubtd that zorro III isn't that much faster. Though those fps numbers are not limited by bandwich or are they?
I bet your hunch is correct. I've seen a Spectrum in a 3000 and it seemed very slow compared to a Cybervision 64 or 64/3D in a 3000. Some of it could have been the drivers and it was a long time ago. The Spectrum is a big upgrade for a Zorro II Amiga 2000 with just ECS but is barely worthwhile for a fast AGA machine. I was surprised at how fast the Cybervision 64/3D was in a ZII 2000 P96 with 030 so unless the passthrough is absolutely needed and on a real budget I would recommend the CV64/3D in that case too. The Spectrum has had some reliability issues also. The Spectrum and Picasso 2 are just plain old and slow. I don't get it when they sell for close to the price of a Cybervision 64 or Cybervision 64/3D. At least the Picasso 4's (also excellent) consistently bring good money.
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There was a 4000T that sold for $550-$600 on this forum not long ago. I made an offer because it was so cheap but didn't get it. I don't think it had a 3640 but it did have a SCSI media card drive and HD floppy which makes up for it. The condition looked good and it was working. I bought an Ariadne 1 ethernet card (one of the fastest) for $80 which blows the Hydra away and I gave a Hydra card away to a friend. I'm sure Hydras have gone for more than $100 and Spectrums have sold for more than $200 but the buyer either doesn't understand the hardware or they in a hurry to buy.
Prices do vary a lot by location. The U.S. is cheap with the coasts being higher. Shipping is an issue with the big box Amigas or foreigners would buy them up. I think the fpgaArcade and the promise of other fpga hardware has reduced the insane prices a little. Collectors still want the old Amigas but many users would rather have the conveniences that newer technology provides.
I paid less for mine with a Cyberstorm MK2 but it was a gamble and I didn't know what was inside it. I didn't have the money when the A4000T you mentioned was on the forum but I got mine a couple of months later because I'm really clever at eBay searches and know where things can fall between the cracks and I had the money at the time.
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If all you are testing for is FPS, then a PCI board such as a Radeon or Voodoo will give you the best numbers. On the Zorro side a PicassoIV is > Cybervision64 > Cyber vision 64/3D > Spectrum, etc. Zorro III is a great deal faster then Zorro II, and you will see about a doubling is data transfer to a GPU card, and more with a memory card. SCSI cards have HDD, bus, and other limitations will speeds varying with the types of hardware used.
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I think that's too much with just the 3640 accelerator. $800-$1000 is about right, maybe a little more for being so clean.
$400-$700 Base 4000T with 3640
$100-$200 Spectrum
$50-$100 Hydra
I respectfully disagree with you.
I have always assigned a value of $0.00 to the Spectrum.
It has jack for ram. It is dead slow. The drivers are not so great.
The product is useless.
Even if you get one for free, you still end up wasting 20 hours of your life trying to make it do something reasonable, which will never happen.
It would be better to put the $200.00 into buying an Amiga 1200 with AGA gfx. Or to put the money into a Mediator + Radeon 256MB gfx card combo.
You didn't ask for my opinion, but I gave it to you anyway, free of charge :D
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I have 2 Spectrum EGS24/28 cards and I love them. They work perfectly with quick setup with P96 2.1c and give a great picture. They may be slow, but for WorkBench and Web Cerfing it if just fine; the pass thru is a great treat to avoid a VGA switch.
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I had problems getting mine working, but now have a clean install so will give it a go.
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1200 ?1 This big barrel of a$$ looking thing...it's so UGLY...maybe in a tower...but blech... 4000>3000>2000>1000>1200>500+>500
THERE...now you have mine for free too
I respectfully disagree with you.
I have always assigned a value of $0.00 to the Spectrum.
It has jack for ram. It is dead slow. The drivers are not so great.
The product is useless.
Even if you get one for free, you still end up wasting 20 hours of your life trying to make it do something reasonable, which will never happen.
It would be better to put the $200.00 into buying an Amiga 1200 with AGA gfx. Or to put the money into a Mediator + Radeon 256MB gfx card combo.
You didn't ask for my opinion, but I gave it to you anyway, free of charge :D
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1200 ?1 This big barrel of a$$ looking thing...it's so UGLY...maybe in a tower...but blech... 3000>2000>1000>1200
Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?
try to do something with 2000 - it is absolutely worthless box - its place somewhere in closet
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Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?
try to do something with 2000 - it is absolutely worthless box - its place somewhere in closet
What does, "Are you stare on it to proclaim its ugly?" mean? And what is the "something" that can't be done with an A2000? Play games? Word processing? Desktop publishing? Generate analogue video? Generate 3D models and animation? Cerf the internet? Expand it with accelerator, RTG card, Ethernet card, and sound card? I don't get it? It lacks AGA and a 32-bit bus, so what?
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t lacks AGA and a 32-bit bus, so what?
so you can't play aga games, some other games lacks of pictures, and you'll receive workbench in 16 colours
in my opinion 1200>2000>500+
BTW, who in present time generates analogue video?? I thought HD video is everywhere
in this case what is the difference between a600 and a2000? slow zorro-II?
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so you can't play aga games, some other games lacks of pictures, and you'll receive workbench in 16 colours
in my opinion 1200>2000>500+ BTW, who in present time generates analogue video?? I thought HD video is everywhere
in this case what is the difference between a600 and a2000? slow zorro-II?
I'm afraid the number of AGA games is just a fraction of the Amiga gaming scene; further the A1200 lacks Zorro bus slots without towerizing it; the ZorroIII slots are only used for RTG, FastlaneZ3, and 2+ RAM cards, two of which are electronically identical (ZorRam & BigRam+).:insane:
Using criteria of expandability, the A2000 ranks with the A3000T and A4000T. The 16-color Workbench has work around with the RTG being the fastest -- I have seen a HAM workbench with 4096 colors. In my opinion, based on criteria of expandability, ease to work on, build quality, usability, ownership, and value, the A4000T > A4000D > A3000T > A1200T > A3000D >A2000 > A1200 > A6/500 > A1000; the only I have not owned is the A3000T.:cry:
By the way, try to work with mixing live video, analogue or digital, for less than $10,000. Only a fraction of the world has HD compared to SD. The Toaster came as a pretty complete package: video mixing, character generation, 3D object creation (and animation), and paint. Current NewTek products start in the $20,000 USD range and up.:angel:
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I'm afraid the number of AGA games is just a fraction of the Amiga gaming scene; further the A1200 lacks Zorro bus slots without towerizing it; the ZorroIII slots are only used for RTG, FastlaneZ3, and 2+ RAM cards, two of which are electronically identical (ZorRam & BigRam+).:insane:
Games just a fraction but they exist. On my computer also...
What for Zorro slots need? To place slow SCSI, PC emulator, network or slow graphic card?
A1200 has PCMCIA slot, so no need scsi or zorro network
And 1200's AGA produce not bad picture on LED monitor through x-rgb :p
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I say good on you for getting that price for hardware that is nothing more than a collectors item. You can take a $200 PC today and make it do more than that A4000T ever could do with the best hardware upgrades ever released for them. If your wanting that look you can find near identical full AT towers free all over and slap an Amiga sticker custom made to look like the face of the A4000T printed on the best vinyl with the best color printing and still have enough to spend on a lot more other useful things.
I love Amiga as much as any of us, but the prices I see these days people pay just for the sake of having old hardware that you fight to keep working and do anything more useful than run archaic software is just beyond me.
Go out and get yourself an OS4 based machine or better yet a nice clean G5 Powermac and run the latest MorphOS.
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You don't say.
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I say A4000T gives me creative ideas, PC and Cheese grater don't