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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: freqmax on June 05, 2013, 07:09:52 PM
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Was the PA-7150 CPU in the Hombre chipset supposed to run user programs or was it supposed to be dedicated for the graphics like the GPU in current graphic cards?
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It was to be used as the CPU and run all user and system code.
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It would have been the main CPU and the chipset would have been "Amiga" in name only as it was a clean break. Any compatibility would have been achieved through emulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset
It would have been much like other console development, each generation a clean break with the previous. A different architecture etc. It's what they should have done, arguably, with the A1200/A4000.
It's all speculation anyway.
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It would have been the main CPU and the chipset would have been "Amiga" in name only as it was a clean break. Any compatibility would have been achieved through emulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset
It would have been much like other console development, each generation a clean break with the previous. A different architecture etc. It's what they should have done, arguably, with the A1200/A4000.
It's all speculation anyway.
this was after the AAAchipset ?? or was this the board which wouldve had aaachipset ..
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this was after the AAAchipset ?? or was this the board which wouldve had aaachipset ..
It was instead of AAA.
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It would have been the main CPU and the chipset would have been "Amiga" in name only as it was a clean break. Any compatibility would have been achieved through emulation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Hombre_chipset
It would have been much like other console development, each generation a clean break with the previous. A different architecture etc. It's what they should have done, arguably, with the A1200/A4000.
It's all speculation anyway.
I read that the OS was expected to have something similar to "Rosetta" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)
I think that a nice project would be to make a version of UAE completely hidden. As Apple said about Rosetta: " "The most amazing software you'll never see".
Windows/OSX/Linux, doesn't matter. Just double click the binary and the program runs on a window.
Sometime ago I got a version of AMOS just like that...
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this was after the AAAchipset ?? or was this the board which wouldve had aaachipset ..
AAA was to be something of a bridging solution between ECS and Hombre... Instead AGA was rushed out (despite what anyone says, it's little more than a bug fixed ECS) as commodore was losing money hand over fist and marketed as a new generation...
But ultimately the Amiga line would have ended with AAA, hombre was the future... There are suggestions by various engineers that the Amiga operating system would have been ported over... But C= execs wanted WinNT.
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I read that the OS was expected to have something similar to "Rosetta" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(software)
I think that a nice project would be to make a version of UAE completely hidden. As Apple said about Rosetta: " "The most amazing software you'll never see".
Windows/OSX/Linux, doesn't matter. Just double click the binary and the program runs on a window.
It already exists! :)
http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/amitools/vamos/
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Thanks for all the answers! ;)
So WinNT.. why would one buy an Amiga to run WinNT? except that it would be cheaper.. perhaps?
Better chance of AmigaOS or som Unix. BSD would been available around 1993.
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Was the PA-7150 CPU in the Hombre chipset supposed to run user programs or was it supposed to be dedicated for the graphics like the GPU in current graphic cards?
Both, actually.
In low cost systems like a console or an entry level system it would be the main processor, but in higher spec systems it would be used as a co-processor.
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AAA was to be something of a bridging solution between ECS and Hombre... Instead AGA was rushed out (despite what anyone says, it's little more than a bug fixed ECS) as commodore was losing money hand over fist and marketed as a new generation...
But ultimately the Amiga line would have ended with AAA, hombre was the future... There are suggestions by various engineers that the Amiga operating system would have been ported over... But C= execs wanted WinNT.
According to Dave Haynie both the AAA & hombre were supposed to co-exist.
"keep in mind that during most of the life of
the Hombre project, it was assumed that AAA would exist and it would be
much too expensive for games machines or very low end personal computers"
AGA wasn't a bug fixed ECS, but it was ECS with faster memory access and a couple of bitplanes and their colour palette entries tacked on. Copper and display can make real use of the faster memory access but the blitter can't.
I don't think WinNT was ever a serious prospect. They were just trying to drum up interest.
It's likely that any new Amiga released after Hombre was finished would be PCI based with the potential of using off the shelf display cards, or a hombre card. Backward compatibility would come from an OCS chip that output into the graphics card ram (they always wanted ECS/AGA software to use the libraries so they would work on any hardware).
However this is based on what Dave Haynie has talked about doing and not necessarily what commodore would have actually built.
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It already exists! :)
http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/amitools/vamos/
Really nice & promising software. Just need some installation scripts, and, in the future, the ability to run intuition apps...
It will run typical console binaries that do not rely on user interface (intuition) or graphics stuff.
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Really nice & promising software. Just need some installation scripts, and, in the future, the ability to run intuition apps...
Yeah, it's a shame he's developing it for OSX though as if it were targetted towards generic POSIX systems it might get more interest from other coders.
That said, I haven't looked at the code, so for all I know it could be quite platform neutral.
He has some other quite useful tools on his site too.
http://lallafa.de/blog/amiga-projects/amitools/
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Yeah, it's a shame he's developing it for OSX though as if it were targetted towards generic POSIX systems it might get more interest from other coders.
http://lallafa.de/blog/2012/11/vamos-runs-on-windows-now/
Well, looks like now his offering also Windows and Linux versions! :)
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http://lallafa.de/blog/2012/11/vamos-runs-on-windows-now/
Well, looks like now his offering also Windows and Linux versions! :)
How did I miss that? Well spotted! :)
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Yeah, it's a shame he's developing it for OSX though as if it were targetted towards generic POSIX systems it might get more interest from other coders.
It's only marginally interesting as you can do pretty much the same thing using existing software.
The way he's doing it has pro's and con's, he'd be better off tweaking what is already there.
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AAA was to be something of a bridging solution between ECS and Hombre... Instead AGA was rushed out (despite what anyone says, it's little more than a bug fixed ECS) as commodore was losing money hand over fist and marketed as a new generation...
But ultimately the Amiga line would have ended with AAA, hombre was the future... There are suggestions by various engineers that the Amiga operating system would have been ported over... But C= execs wanted WinNT.
i always wanted a new amiga with a newchipset ..one of the reasons i liked the new idea of natami as it wouldve been a real upgrade ..no ppc but better graphics etc..
i really liked the voodoo cards too ..had all the versions ..still got 2 or 3 voodoo 2s a voodoo 3 an 4 an a voodoo 5 i need to do a small solder too ..got the voodoo 5 to maybe one day use it with the ppc expansion board ..but realized its agp..guess im just sentimental..
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If Hombre would been finished on time (by having the right budget). Would it have provided a sales success at the price point if could been sold at?
There's no slow computers,, just to little money to buy them ;)
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any questions about Hombre should be addressed to the Dr himself.
http://vlsi-concepts.com/v65C32.html