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Title: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 25, 2013, 11:28:45 AM
Ahh yes the joys of the Mediator. RTG Voodoo goodness so close yet so far.

After reinstalling/uninstalling drivers over and over I have admitted defeat :-/

1) I can get it to detect the the Voodoo card and even the SB128 card. PCIINFO shows both.

2) After following the instructions the voodoo modes are showing and I can select between them but when I save it locks up.

3) I've tried using the updated pci library.

I am using an ATX to AT adapter to power the mediator (and the A1200 through the mediator). Doing this with a 300W ATX PSU.

It's a v1.0 going by what is on it, I've been told it was working fine with the same Voodoo card.

Have read a few posts but no real solution :-/
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 25, 2013, 11:46:03 AM
I've set the jumpers:

8MB / CONFIG ON / WAIT ON.

Have emailed Elbox so will post here any updates.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: danbeaver on May 25, 2013, 02:55:47 PM
I take it that this in your tower and you are using an Apollo 060?
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 25, 2013, 08:09:13 PM
LOL at the moment it's all sitting naked on the desk but yes. Apollo 060, other mods are in my sig.

Have it all fitting nicely together even with the indivision :-)

With the Mediator it doesn't fit in my custom case so will need to look for a full tower, not a midi which is a shame :-/

Will have another go this afternoon.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 27, 2013, 11:41:05 AM
Sadly Ive had no luck getting this to work. Just end up getting lock ups when I try switching to the the voodoo card screen modes.

Swapping the card to different slots also doesnt help. PCIINFO shows that it has detected the card but still no joy.

Have tried the another voodoo card and same result so will assume its not the card.

Picked up a 5 volt ATI 9200 boots okay with it but doesnt detect the card properly unknown device when I run PCIINFO.

Anyway one more shot tomorrow night then it all goes into a box and Ill be on selling.

Maybe get a brand new mediator, expensive lesson :-/
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Rotzloeffel on May 28, 2013, 07:56:47 AM
Quote from: Lurch;735967
Ahh yes the joys of the Mediator. RTG Voodoo goodness so close yet so far.
 
After reinstalling/uninstalling drivers over and over I have admitted defeat :-/
 
1) I can get it to detect the the Voodoo card and even the SB128 card. PCIINFO shows both.
 
2) After following the instructions the voodoo modes are showing and I can select between them but when I save it locks up.
 
3) I've tried using the updated pci library.
 
I am using an ATX to AT adapter to power the mediator (and the A1200 through the mediator). Doing this with a 300W ATX PSU.
 
It's a v1.0 going by what is on it, I've been told it was working fine with the same Voodoo card.
 
Have read a few posts but no real solution :-/

Hi Lurch,
 
try these elbox-Files: http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35427
 
It is pci.library 10.0 included which also works with OS 4.x.... first of all replace the pci.library
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 28, 2013, 09:06:43 AM
For Apollo 1260 you should set Mediator jumpers as "Config=CLOSED, Wait=OPEN". Try also setting "Memory Window=8MB" first (oops you already had that).

You could try my BPPC-Mediator-Voodoo setup guide (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15842224/Amiga/BlizzardPPC-Mediator-Voodoo/BPPC-Mediator-Voodoo%20setup%20guide.pdf) if that helps. It's mainly targeted for BlizzardPPC-owners but there's some general info too.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 29, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
Cheers guys, have tried the above.

When in Picasso96 mode and I click edit it locks and I have to reboot.

When I tried installing nlist I had a runtime error and had to reboot, the other applications installed fine.

If I use the AHI that comes with the original MMCD disk (not sure what version) I get a runtime when opening it's preferences.

I've set the jumpers to 8MB / CONFIG ON / WAIT OFF as a re read of the manual suggests Wait should be off.

Is something conflicting with my Apollo 060?

If I remove the Mediator I dont get software errors in the apps I've tried. Of course anything related to the Mediator doesn't work as it's not installed.

Guessing I'll have to start from scratch again :-(
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 29, 2013, 09:18:15 AM
Could be defective MACH chips. As I now recall, I also had my problems with Mediator LT4 and it was due to some faulty chips - it was also locking up with Voodoo IIRC. After Elbox sent me working ones, replaced them and Mediator was working fine again.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 29, 2013, 09:30:31 AM
Found my old thread on EAB about Mediator problem:
clicky (http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=28884)
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 29, 2013, 10:35:34 AM
Hmm, I have the coloured dots and a couple of stickers. So assume these are updated chips?

So it's 13 Pounds for a new set? I've emailed Elbox a couple of times no reply. One for registration and one for support.

Most likely because I bought it second hand.

Thinking I'll return it and buy a brand new one :-(

Kind of over it at the moment, although the person I bought off said he had it working with the same cards he sent with it so not sure.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 29, 2013, 10:47:27 AM
Coloured dots should mean updated chips. Try re-seating the MACH chips.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 30, 2013, 07:03:43 AM
Okay so I reseated the mach chips, and now I either get software error when I click on screenmodes or recoverable errors when selecting a Voodoo mode.

A question, how warm/hot do the mach chips get?
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 30, 2013, 08:53:38 AM
It's unfortunate you're having problems with the Med. I just tried the temperature on the chips and yes, they tend to get pretty hot but that's normal I think.

Give the Mediator a good'ol slap-around like you did with an old tube tv! :)
Have you tried with JUST the Voodoo attached? And, double-check that all cards are attached properly and did I yet mention cleaning the contacts with isopropyl alcohol?
Also one other thing springs to mind: try a different PSU.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: fitzsteve on May 30, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
Did you clean the sockets and chips with IPA?  Just re-seating might not be enough.

Also if your A1200 edge connector is worn/dirty it can cause issues as can the pass-through if that is heavily worn.

Another important thing is a good serviceable A1200, preferably with caps replaced and decent PSU (good steady 5v)
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 30, 2013, 09:59:48 AM
I appreciate the help so far :-)

It's a 300W ATX CPU and the 5V seems fine, the apollo 060 runs rock solid at 80MHz.

The A1200 has had timing fixes and caps replaced by Amigakit, had to do this for the ACA1231 to work.

I've checked the pass through connector it appears to be okay, can't see anything weird going on and the contacts on the A1200 look good, gave it a quick clean.

Not sure about cleaning the pass through connector though.

I've tried it with just the Voodoo card on it's own in various slots. I haven't even attempted to get the sound working. It does detect the SB128 and it shows in AHI but no sound.

No hiss/click on boot either, will have another look at the pass through :-/
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 30, 2013, 10:02:30 AM
One thing I have noticed with the MACH chips is that if I push them entirely into their sockets (they make a click noise) the Amiga wont boot.

I have to raise them flat with the top of the sockets for the Amiga to boot, don't know if that means anything?
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on May 30, 2013, 12:47:49 PM
Order replacement MACH chips perhaps? They are included with the Multimedia CD. But maybe wait for Elbox to reply first?
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: jj on May 30, 2013, 01:49:24 PM
Elbox usually pretty good with registrating second hand hardware
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on May 30, 2013, 08:06:46 PM
Haven't heard anything and I've had it a couple of weeks now. So not sure what's happening there.

Going to give it a look over on the weekend.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on June 01, 2013, 09:56:48 AM
Looks like a brand new Mediator now but still no luck. I was reading somewhere it could be because I'm also using a Subway? (A political stand off or something?)

Is this the case?

Have run out of time tonight but will try removing the Subway and see how that goes, but that seems weird when I've seen people using a Mediator with a Subway.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on June 01, 2013, 04:19:00 PM
I had a Subway working together with Mediator TX and they co-existed nicely.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on June 02, 2013, 10:20:31 AM
My Amiga curse. Would be nice if somethings would just work.

Have left it alone today, shouldn't be this hard?

Feel bad asking to return it.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on June 02, 2013, 10:47:24 AM
Quote from: Bamiga2002;736567
I had a Subway working together with Mediator TX and they co-existed nicely.


On the edge of my seat as to wether I should purchase a SX/TX through Amigakit as the cost is a bit more.

But I do have a Radeon 9200 sitting here that I would like to use, and no clear yes/no if it would work with the LT4.

Also with the SX/TX I hear you can connect a standard ATX power switch straight to it? If so this will also be a plus :-)
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on June 02, 2013, 11:23:59 AM
Hmmm, could this be the needle in the haystack? Showed up under the camera.
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on June 21, 2013, 10:02:50 PM
Ended up buying a brand new one from Amigakit. Worked straight out of the box :-)
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Bamiga2002 on July 28, 2013, 06:41:35 PM
GOngrats!
So it WAS a busty Med then :flak:
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on July 29, 2013, 01:23:08 AM
Going by the seller when I posted it back it appears to have some solder lifting going on. Especially around the connector.

Anyway the mediator certainly changes the Amiga into an almost everyday machine. Just need a better browser and a Office suite. Open office? :-)
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: J-Golden on July 29, 2013, 07:57:29 AM
I downloaded the latest Voyager web browser and it works rather well for what I have (030 25Mhz. on native AGA chip set).

Not much help on the Office Suite though.  Sorry. :(
Title: Re: Elbox Mediator 1200 LT4 PCI locking up
Post by: Lurch on July 29, 2013, 08:25:06 AM
Quote from: J-Golden;742911
I downloaded the latest Voyager web browser and it works rather well for what I have (030 25Mhz. on native AGA chip set).

Not much help on the Office Suite though.  Sorry. :(

How does Voyager compare to Voyager? Might take a look :-) Would be nice for more up to date HTML support.

Not fussed about flash etc :-)

I wonder if it's possible to build Open office source on an Amiga?