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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Gaming => Topic started by: trekiej on May 18, 2013, 01:32:13 AM

Title: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 18, 2013, 01:32:13 AM

Hello.
Who here is a Amiga Classic 3D expert?
1. I want to see what is needed for 3D in Classic hardware.

2. What is possible under WinUAE?

Thanks.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: commodorejohn on May 18, 2013, 01:50:02 AM

Depends on what you mean by "3D." Raytracing? Can be done on a stock 500 - it's just terribly slow. Wolfenstein 3D? Plenty doable at smaller screen sizes. DOOM requires more oomph, but it can basically run on a high-end 030/low-end 040. (And AGA, naturally.) Quake you need an 060 for...

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: wawrzon on May 18, 2013, 01:55:31 AM

winuae:
there was quarktex:
http://www.amigawiki.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/QuarkTex
never tried it, but i think it has a numerous limitations like a single instance of a 3d app at a time.
currently there is wazp 3d with native backend in form of a x86 3d dll library on the pc side. sould be enough for everything w3d currently availble including storm mesa apps. for details refer tp wazp3d documentation. all pretty easy:
http://aminet.net/package/driver/video/Wazp3D

on genuine amiga, use either warp3d (there is some fixed libs for mediator/voodoo3 cards but not out in the open, otherwise on higher level
storm mesa:
http://aminet.net/util/libs/StormMesa_Libs68K.lha
or the updated beta:
http://aminet.net/util/libs/StormMesa2010.lha
or wait for aros68k mesa working (expectedly incompatible with current apps)

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 18, 2013, 02:27:21 AM

Thanks.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: woof on May 18, 2013, 02:37:49 PM

Hi

have also a look on aminet/microbe3d
(Need wazp /warp3d)
and especially demo-view + partygirl.obj

Alain Thellier

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: Iggy on May 18, 2013, 02:50:43 PM

Aladdin 4D ought to be able to render and manipulate 3D objects on a Amiga.

So should lightwave.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: gertsy on May 18, 2013, 03:48:12 PM

I remember a SIRDS generator. And Stereo image generator. Nothing video though.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: yssing on May 18, 2013, 08:29:15 PM

You can also consider Imagine, which have always been able to do proper raytracing.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: rednova on May 18, 2013, 10:26:42 PM

Dear Friend:
I was watching lightspeed (a video magazine for lightwave 3d)and Dean Scott
uses lightwave 3d on an amiga 2000 with 6 megs of ram.
Is enough to make amazing animation, with lightwave and amiga.
So you see...is not impossible to make good animation on amiga.
Cheers !!!

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 18, 2013, 11:01:18 PM

Ufortunately I only had an A2000 with an Opal Vision card and an A2630 accelerator. I did not get to enjoy 3D.
Maybe soon.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: Mrs Beanbag on May 19, 2013, 05:23:55 PM

3D for Amiga to me means Elite, Starglider 2, Damocles &c

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 19, 2013, 06:31:49 PM

I used to play Cybercon 3. I wish is was textured at least.
On the  C64 I like the Echelon 3.
If it had hidden line removal it would have been good.
It also had a voice controled fire button.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: wawrzon on May 19, 2013, 06:58:56 PM

mercenary series (especially III) and castle master derivates, since you are taking about vector games.
but i think the subject here was meant rather like 3d acceleration.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: Abu the monkey on May 19, 2013, 11:46:46 PM

Starglider II !!!!
why there hasn't been a remake I don't know....
what a game/experience.
good times...

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 20, 2013, 04:21:17 AM

Who has had the joy of playing Breathless?

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: slaapliedje on May 20, 2013, 07:57:56 AM

Breathless is awesome.  Genetic Species is another decent first person shooting game.

Unfortunately my 040 in my A4000 is a bit too slow to play Genetic Species at the highest resolution on the Radeon.

Which brings up the real question, why hasn't someone reverse engineered Warp3D API to be Mesa compatible and then we can get the Radeon cards to do hardware acceleration with 3D on the Amiga?

I'd work on it if I knew how to program worth a crap :D

slaapliedje

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 21, 2013, 01:29:47 AM

Here is an entry on RTG. (ReTargetable Graphics )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReTargetable_Graphics

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 27, 2013, 09:18:02 AM

Breathless
[youtube]05j_BlsIbBM[/youtube]

Genetic Species
[youtube]Pl1hctZ8HnY[/youtube]

Alien Breed 3d
[youtube]YglfwJlBx5Y[/youtube]

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on May 27, 2013, 10:18:04 AM

3D Games
[youtube]_-S2NToY93M[/youtube]

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on June 20, 2015, 09:01:01 PM

I want to use the Amiga in a Professional way.
I will probably use winuae and others.
Video editing and word processing is my main goal.
I would like to add painting and visual effects latter.
Would anyone like to add anything?
Thanks.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: Bugala on June 21, 2015, 08:50:28 AM

ImageFX for effects.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on June 21, 2015, 06:14:42 PM

Thanks.
If uae had hardware accelerated 3d, unless I missed it some where, I would be head over heels in playing 3d games with Amiga OS3.X.

How fast are 3D games with Wazp3D?

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: Bugala on June 21, 2015, 10:27:32 PM

That would depend upon 3D game, some of them would run at exactly same speed as before, which is very disappointing. But some become very fast, even unplayable.

Title: Re: Amiga 3D
Post by: trekiej on June 21, 2015, 10:31:15 PM

I wonder if uae with hardware acceleration on Aros native would complete the proverbial cycle.