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Title: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 11, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Anyone know if there is a 3D video card in ISA slot format?
Just purchased another SBC Pentium 266Mhz card for use in my A2000. My previous SBC in A2000 was a 486 50Mhz, but I felt that it was too slow, even running Doom was a little faster then on my A4000.
I'm waiting for ISA edge connector so I can convert 2 PC 8bit ISA slots in A2000 to the 16bits, giving me total of 4.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: Lurch on April 11, 2013, 11:14:12 PM
Not too sure, plenty of old cards on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=isa+video+card&_sop=15

As for working with an Amiga, wouldn't know :-(
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: Lurch on April 11, 2013, 11:16:09 PM
You may need one of these for it to work

http://penguincentral.com/GG2/

Nevermind I see you have a PC card :-)
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: Lando on April 11, 2013, 11:19:35 PM
There was never a 3D card released in ISA format.  The first 3D card I remember was the S3 Virge but that was PCI, even back in '95.  There may have been one or two VLB versions of PCI cards made but never ISA.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 11, 2013, 11:23:16 PM
Quote from: Lurch;731839
Not too sure, plenty of old cards on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=isa+video+card&_sop=15

As for working with an Amiga, wouldn't know :-(
I'm looking for a 3D video card for use with my Single Board Computer.
I'm also planning to buy PCMCIA PC/104 card, so I can use a CDROM or CF card and a 3D card if possible.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: danbeaver on April 11, 2013, 11:24:49 PM
Quote from: Lando;731841
There was never a 3D card released in ISA format.  The first 3D card I remember was the S3 Virge but that was PCI, even back in '95.  There may have been one or two VLB versions of PCI cards made but never ISA.


I would agree, there were 2 MB VGA cards out there in 16-bit ISA, but 3D cards went PCI then VLB (few), then AGP.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: Lurch on April 11, 2013, 11:44:14 PM
I remember back in the day there was software options but they were very slow. I ended up getting an ISA to PCI bridge card.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 11, 2013, 11:56:24 PM
Well, it was worth a shot. I have a Descent 3 CD game for PC, and one of the requirements was a 3D acceleration.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: danbeaver on April 12, 2013, 02:48:05 AM
I think your best shot is not using your Amiga as a passive backplane and get one with PCI slots for a PCI enabled SBC; or live with 2D games.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 12, 2013, 03:16:40 AM
Quote from: danbeaver;731855
I think your best shot is not using your Amiga as a passive backplane and get one with PCI slots for a PCI enabled SBC; or live with 2D games.
Or, I could use my Quad Core 2Ghz PC...:lol:
But, I want to do things the hard way, hence the ideas.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: Lurch on April 12, 2013, 03:46:53 AM
Quote from: amiman99;731857
Or, I could use my Quad Core 2Ghz PC...:lol:
But, I want to do things the hard way, hence the ideas.


Exactly what my partner said, she goes to me why are you spending time with the 1200/500 when you could use your i7 laptop ;-)
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: B00tDisk on April 12, 2013, 04:19:50 AM
Creative made a VLB "3d blaster" that was pretty poorly received.

If you can scare one up, a Number Nine GXE might suit.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: spirantho on April 12, 2013, 07:37:46 AM
I'm not sure there's a lot of point in putting a 3d card on a 16-bit 8MHz bus.....
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: psxphill on April 12, 2013, 11:23:53 AM
Quote from: spirantho;731865
I'm not sure there's a lot of point in putting a 3d card on a 16-bit 8MHz bus.....

It's going to be faster than putting a 2d card on a 16 bit 8mhz bus.
 
If the card has enough vram for the textures then you'll only be sending it a drawlist.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: spirantho on April 12, 2013, 12:27:33 PM
Don't forget how primitive the early 3D cards were though - none of this hardware T+L and stuff. Plus they didn't have much memory so you'd still need to texture upload a lot (2MB for the S3 ViRGE, and that included the frame buffer!).
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: bloodline on April 12, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: psxphill;731870
It's going to be faster than putting a 2d card on a 16 bit 8mhz bus.
 
If the card has enough vram for the textures then you'll only be sending it a drawlist.
It's not just the through put, but also the latency...
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: whabang on April 13, 2013, 11:56:02 PM
I know my uncle had a 3D card in his 486, but i dunno if it was an ISA card. Might have been a VLB card.
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 14, 2013, 01:13:45 AM
how about this one ELSA Winner 2000?
http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/home/1173-elsa-winner2000-4
Got S3 chip in it.

Edit: Looks like not a 3D chip, (S3 virge was 1st 3D from S3)
Title: Re: WTB: PC 3D video card in ISA slot, possible???
Post by: amiman99 on April 14, 2013, 01:48:55 AM
I think I may have a good news, the SBC I have contains Chips
                        and Technologies 69000 video chipset which looks like supports OpenGL, so I might be good to go!