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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: redrumloa on January 30, 2004, 02:28:16 AM
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I'm on a roll, so why not go with it? :-)
Looks like I will be in the market for a new digital camera. A model with USB that will work with both Amiga/MOS and Linux would be ideal.
Any suggestions? I need to make a purchase ASAP so prompt answered are much appreciated! Information on Linux support seems hard to come by. The best info I can find has me pointing towards getting a sony DSC-P32. My budget would prefer stay in the $200 range unless the quality jump would be that extreme..
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I just noticed RH9 has a tool called gtkam which looks like it support a whole lot of cameras. Does it support them out of the box? That would sure be ideal:-) Gotta go check SuSe
-edit- hmm weird, gtkam's support device list are all models which are not currently for sale.
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I know that my Canon powershot s50, worked fine under linux atleast...
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Ok! I found THIS (http://www.gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php) so I figure I will get THIS CAMERA (http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=305179&pfp=BROWSE)
Now the questions is can I convince MOS/AOS to use it? :-)
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You can pretty much take your pick of any camera with a removable memory card these days, without having to have any special software besides the USB stack- if it's not supported directly as a generic mass storage device then all you need to do is get a card reader that works with Poseidon (Lexar for example).
Then it's just a matter of dragging and dropping the images off the automounted drive- almost all of them are using the FAT16 filesystem.
Now if you want to use it as a realtime webcam like some of them are capable of, that's a different story.
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I would heavily suggest you look at the Canon Powershot A60 (2MP) and A70 (3.2MP). You lucky gits in the US can get the latter very cheaply compared to the UK. For superb detailed reviews inc. sample pics have a look at Steve's Digicams (http://www.steves-digicams.com/). After reading reviews for about 3 weeks, I was all set to get an A60 this Monday but have held off for the A70 and am desperately trying to acquire/save any money I can, including considering what I MAY want to sell on e-bay.
These cams have optical zoom, macro mode, full manual control if you need it, take ordinary batteries, PLUS can take different lenses/filters, they are £129 and £209 respectively in the UK, and surprisingly the absolute cheapest for cameras I found by FAR (in the UK anyway) was Amazon!
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Those are good features bu is 3.2MP enouph? Soon the common standard will be 6MP or something like that...
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@Jose
Those are good features bu is 3.2MP enouph? Soon the common standard will be 6MP or something like that...
I would rather have a good lens, macro, full manual control, video with sound etc. etc. @ 2.0/3.2 than a fixed-focus, no macro, auto point-at-click at higher res. I see some "outstanding resolution" cameras, at budget->mid-range prices then on inspection what you get in the CCD you lose in features, and the resolution quoted is often interpolated. However, if you know of a cracking camera at about $200/£200 with 6MP I am all eyes (I'm sure red is too) :-)
Going by reviews of the Canon A60, it was producing better quality pictures than competitors' 3.3MP offerings, so I assume the A70 will be similar to 4MP "budget" competitors? I am no expert so if you know of any spectacular offers, especially regarding new models that may not have been reviewed online, let us know.
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I dont know much about digital cameras, but I was looking at a cheap 2.1 MP camera, and 1024x768 is the lowest resolution picture it can produce.. so I think anything more than that is pretty overkill unless you're heavily into photography or do that stuff for a living etc.
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Whatever one you go for, try to make sure beforehand that Linux or Poseidon supports it. I had a digital camera work 100% with Poseidon, but then another not even being detected as one. Both were cheap rubbish. :)
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@BouncingAyatollah
Well, I haven't followed digicams for a while but judjing by the numbers I'd bet Canon have newer models coming up anytime and with all those manual features, exchangeable lenses etc... Price will probably be higher though...
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OK, so if your digital camera is compatible with Poseidon, are you required to do anything special in order for the stack/OS3.9 to recognize it as a drive? Do you need to mount it through FAT95 or something?
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Ok! I found THIS so I figure I will get THIS CAMERA
Isnt 2mpixels a little low this days?
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I dont know much about digital cameras, but I was looking at a cheap 2.1 MP camera, and 1024x768 is the lowest resolution picture it can produce.. so I think anything more than that is pretty overkill unless you're heavily into photography or do that stuff for a living etc.
Actually 2.1 MP wont even for printing out decent quality photos..
But anyway.. Really depends on what you are going to use it for.. I guess 2.1 would be more than enough, if you where going to use it for internet for example..
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I have a Sanyo XP-360 that uses flash cards...I have my 6 or 9(?) in one card reader plugged into the USB port on my Pegasos... WORKS PERFECT!!
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Tomas wrote:
Isnt 2mpixels a little low this days?
Definitely the low end of the market, but a million pixels will make no difference if the CCD sucks, or the camera's operating software is crap, etc ;-)
My sis has a 2.1M Olympus, the results on that are generally brilliant, and 2M cameras cost peanuts these days. All depends on the desired application I suppose... YMMV.
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Tomas wrote:
Actually 2.1 MP wont even for printing out decent quality photos..
But anyway.. Really depends on what you are going to use it for.. I guess 2.1 would be more than enough, if you where going to use it for internet for example..
2.1MP does 1600x1200, which is plenty enough for what I will be using it for. Anyting more is insane overkill since I usually crop pics to about 800x600 or so. Most use will be for web.
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x56h34 wrote:
OK, so if your digital camera is compatible with Poseidon, are you required to do anything special in order for the stack/OS3.9 to recognize it as a drive? Do you need to mount it through FAT95 or something?
No, you just use PencamTool or VHI Studio to grab the pics. Well, at least on my camera. The top-end cameras might have some kind of built in filesystem, but I've never used one.
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@KennyR:
I'll look into it. Thanks for the tip! :-)
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The best 2mp Digi camera money can buy is the Canon A60, you really can't get much better at this range,
it's identical to the A70 in every respect except the megapixel difference and max video resolution.
Yep i have one, i went from a Sony 3.2mp to that 2.1 mp a60, much better cam.
Big Resolutions really means nothing unless you are gonna print over 10x8, so if you no intentions of going over that print size or ever printing them at all, stick with the lower MP cams, saves dosh!
The whole megapixel race is getting a joke, for the average person who wants to take some shots, print a few out around 6x4 threw to 10x8... those 6MP will probably never be needed. 2.1mp threw to 4mp should suffice.
Only thing i look forward to is possibly superior video handling, we have 640*480 25/30 fps Digi cams starting to show up already
Spend your money on what you need and can afford, there is more to the cams that just megapixels.
Some usefull links below on Digi cam hints & tips and great reviews, most mentioned here are coverered.
http://www.dcviews.com (http://www.dcviews.com)
http://www.dpreview.com (http://www.dpreview.com)
http://www.megapixel.net (http://www.megapixel.net/html/issueindex.php?lang=en)
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I just noticed the A60 is now £99 at Amazon :-o
However following on from the Kodak Easyshare's mentioned by red, I noticed the Kodak Easyshare DX6440, going in the UK for £189 (Pixmania), 4MP, 4x optical zoom, movies w/audio etc. etc. and some nice manual control.
Now I'm confused... :-) stuck between an A70 or the above.
@Calen
Thanks for those links, gonna go have a look.
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I bought the Canon A60 last year & have not regreted it. Very small design, but feels good in
my hand & fits nicely in my shirt pocket. Took a closeup of my cat & you can count the hairs
in the picture. Lots of manual control for those special situations when 'auto' just will not do.
The ony thing Canon didn't do right is box the camera with standard allkaline batteries. These
will go dead in 2 hrs or less. Buy 4 Ni-MH rechargables & the charger, 1800ah or better.
I bought 4 more for spares so I'm never short. When't on a 2 wk trip & only had to change them
once & took about 300 pictures. Bought it from Amazon, no sales tax or shipping. If you don't
like it, send it back & get another model or brand.
Printouts are great. I use IFX, Ghostscript, TurboPrint, & a HP932C printer. Printing to PS makes a big difference vs TurboPrint alone. PS prints in 24 bit color & will show up when doing 10 x 8 printouts.
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Hmm, thought I was on AW.net for a second there...
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Well, I'm a AW member too, so you could be :-O
Those boing balls were a labor of love. :-)
Another reason to own a digital camera. :-)
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Here we use a Fuji A200 on MOS and it works
also as a mass storage device to move files
to other computers through usb, very handy.
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We revied the Nikon 4300 4.3MP digital camera and the results are in out review section. http://www.swaug.org.uk/reviews
This camera supports the massstorage usb class and works fine with Poseidon. It is generally a great camera to use with Amiga.
SWAUG SUPPORT
www.swaug.org.uk
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sundown: that has GOT to be one of the funniest AV's I've EVER seen!
thanks for the laugh!!!!
:lol:
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Thanks cecilia, I think. :-)