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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Erol on March 19, 2013, 09:53:28 PM
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Am i the only one waiting for an X1000? or have others giving up waiting..
I know that we should be thankful for choice, but Amiga Technologies managed to get the Amiga back out to high street dealers..
There does seem to be a lack of getting this machine out to buyers..
A-EON what is going on?
[deleted on request Amigakit link... ]
http://www.a-eon.com/?page=x1000
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seen this ? http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=64485 slightly cheaper and more future-proof if you ask me :/
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@ erol
Send a ticket request to amigakits website and I they don't respond in a timely fashion then send an email to a-eon on their website
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This is worst place to post any comments about Amiga OS4 or anything related. You put your self to risk to get personally insulted, without any limitatios from moderators.
I usually wrote only classic related things here.
X1000 is nice, but why not get Sam they are availlable. Even Sam 440ep Flex is nice machine, not so powerless than those who haven't ever used one said. I watch my favorite TV series with it without any problems :)
I bought Flex because it has a best software support of those products wich are currently availlable. I might buy 460 when they get 3D support out, or not. I'm very happy with my Flex.
Welcome to amigans.net / amigaworld.net
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@ ultri007
Your comments are true; however, the usual suspects here have quieted down quite a bit lately:)
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Those usual suspect are them those, who say that they have some other hobby OS, wich don't seems to interest them actually, because they write only OS4 threads :D Those people who haven't loved when they were kids, because they like to spoil other people joy, now when they are adults? Those people who like to hinting that Amiga hardware buyers are stupid, or at least duped? They of course know better than actual owners, how powerless and poor aCube/A-Eon computers are? And want to tell that 100x untill you admit that you are stupid and duped??? So you mean those people? They are quieter now?
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Those usual suspect are them those, who say that they have some other hobby OS, wich don't seems to interest them actually, because they write only OS4 threads :D Those people who haven't loved when they were kids, because they like to spoil other people joy, now when they are adults? Those people who like to hinting that Amiga hardware buyers are stupid, or at least duped? They of course know better than actual owners, how powerless and poor aCube/A-Eon computers are? And want to tell that 100x untill you admit that you are stupid and duped??? So you mean those people? They are quieter now?
ok, ok. let's not get personal. ;)
-- eliyahu
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Those usual suspect are them those, who say that they have some other hobby OS, wich don't seems to interest them actually, because they write only OS4 threads :D Those people who haven't loved when they were kids, because they like to spoil other people joy, now when they are adults? Those people who like to hinting that Amiga hardware buyers are stupid, or at least duped? They of course know better than actual owners, how powerless and poor aCube/A-Eon computers are? And want to tell that 100x untill you admit that you are stupid and duped??? So you mean those people? They are quieter now?
Hi,
Well if they brought out a computer system like Commodore first brought out the C64, then there would be no problem with the computer. If you remember (if your old enough to) when Commodore first brought out the C64, they developed a magazine for support, and then they also brought out software so you had something to run on your computer.
If these companies done it right, and then offered support, then there would be no problem, but to rely on a couple of mediocore programmers to develope programs for it just ain't going to do the job.
You developed the hardware now support it.
smerf
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Am i the only one waiting for an X1000? or have others giving up waiting..
I know that we should be thankful for choice, but Amiga Technologies managed to get the Amiga back out to high street dealers..
There does seem to be a lack of getting this machine out to buyers..
A-EON what is going on?
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/x1000/
http://www.a-eon.com/?page=x1000
the A1X1000 appears to only be available as the 'first contact' configuration. prospective customers have to sign up with amigakit and register their interest. the systems were made in batches, but at this point, i believe they are sold out.
as klx300r suggested the best thing to do is talk to amigakit directly.
i had to wait a few months before being notified that i was 'next' on the list and able to order a system -- but by that point i had already spent the money on something else. :cry:
the good news is that A-EON and its partners are already working on a new system, and of course, acube systems offers its SAM440 and SAM460-based products, including the amigaone 500. as utri007 mentioned, for a variety of reasons, a lot of OS4 users are no longer active here, something i'm working on reversing. in the mean time sites like amigaworld.net and amigans.net might be your best bet on getting feedback from SAM owners to see if those boards would suffice for what you're looking for in next-generation amiga hardware.
-- eliyahu
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@thread
remember that no personal attacks or trolling are allowed, please. this is the only warning i'm giving to any posters in this thread. after this it will be moderated posts and/or posting restrictions.
keep it friendly! :)
-- eliyahu
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Am i the only one waiting for an X1000? or have others giving up waiting...
I'm waiting for my X1000 as well.
I may as well give up - The probability of one just spontaneously showing up is slim....
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@bbond007
how long ago did you sign up with amigakit?
-- eliyahu
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Am i the only one waiting for an X1000?
Yes you are the only one who is waiting for one
Sorry could not resist :)
I'm not anti next-gen, I'd be very happy to see something innovative/interesting coming out but it appears (to me at least) that development is dropping to an all new low.
The classic scene on the other hand is really showing some interesting signs of life, with new software, new FPGA hardware and even updates to the original OS (eg the amazing new icon.library).
800x600x256 color Workbench using AGA -> icon.library (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v51G5mqLlM8&feature=youtu.be)
:)
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Quite happy with my A1200, well no USB yet but getting there. :-) Besides more fun trying to fit it all into a wedge.
The only thing about the classic Amiga is the crap browser, otherwise it would be very usable as an everyday computer. Which I'm almost doing, apart from my CF Card problems I've decided to go back to a laptop HDD.
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@ erol
Send a ticket request to amigakits website and I they don't respond in a timely fashion then send an email to a-eon on their website
I have, and several emails strange as its been over a year and i've emailed Amigakit and A-EON several times and i was dropped off the list and put on again.. been very frustrating.
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X1000 is nice, but why not get Sam they are availlable.
Good advise thank you.
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@bbond007
how long ago did you sign up with amigakit?
-- eliyahu
Been a LOOOOONG TIME... well over a year.
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Been a LOOOOONG TIME... well over a year.
i was curious how long bbond007 had been on the list, but yeah, i was on it for months, too. this hasn't been a brilliant method of ordering an X1000. i know why they're doing it, but as a customer, it's a bit frustrating.
the only thing i can tell you is that out of the blue a few months back, i got an email saying i could place my order. 'course it was too late for me by then. if i were you, and i was really set on an X1000 and not one of the SAM machines, i'd email them, phone them, open a ticket on their site, whatever was necessary to find out where i was on the list.
having used the X1000 several times at amiwest shows past, it's an unbelievably good machine. it's definitely worth the wait in my opinion. good luck!
-- eliyahu
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Yes you are the only one who is waiting for one
Sorry could not resist :)
The classic scene on the other hand is really showing some interesting signs of life, with new software, new FPGA hardware and even updates to the original OS (eg the amazing new icon.library).
:)
LOL.. nice joke.
I've actually owned every Amiga including the A3000T (which on record is the heaviest machine i've owned) but i just have an A4000 which i love, i did have an A4000T CyberstormPPC which I sold to a scientist in Germany they needed the machine for speciality programs on 68k and PPC side.
I've been an Amiga owner since I was 16, i'm now 41.. it's great to see hardware and support for classic Amiga's.. just wish someone would make a realy fast 060 accelerator card.. even the CD32 is missing out.
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having used the X1000 several times at amiwest shows past, it's an unbelievably good machine. it's definitely worth the wait in my opinion. good luck!
-- eliyahu
Thank you for all your comments and advise. I know amiga dealers do a great job.. we wait...
AmigaKit have sent me a message, maybe they find my trails of emails again.
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I've been an Amiga owner since I was 16, i'm now 41.. it's great to see hardware and support for classic Amiga's.. just wish someone would make a realy fast 060 accelerator card.. even the CD32 is missing out.
Someone has already developed a 100Mhz+ real 060 card using modern fast memory but that is not available for a real classic machine unfortunately (FPGA Arcade only).
People have just started to develop FPGA based accelerators so maybe one day we'll get some new fast 060 (FPGA) accelerators.
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Someone has already developed a 100Mhz+ real 060 card using modern fast memory but that is not available for a real classic machine unfortunately (FPGA Arcade only).
People have just started to develop FPGA based accelerators so maybe one day we'll get some new fast 060 (FPGA) accelerators.
Thats great news. :) (BIG SMILE)
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@smerf
no personal attacks or trolling, please. this is the only warning i'm giving to any posters in this thread. after this it will be moderated posts and/or posting restrictions.
keep it friendly.
-- eliyahu
ah now I see why the usual suspects haven't been trashing OS4.x threads lately:cool:
@ NovaCoder
I love whats happening in both the classic and NG scenes over the past few years as I have my Amiga 1000, 1200 and AmigaOne X1000 getting constant updates and new stuff to try out on a monthly (sometimes weekly) basis:biglaugh:
@ erol
I've had a Samflex@800 before getting my X1000 and can tell you that my old Samflex struggled while running more intense AGA games or rendering scenes in either Blender or Lightwave so if you want to go for a Sam I'd get the Sam460 /AmigaOne 500 as many users have noted a significant speed increase over the Samflex models.
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Don't worry Erol.
I'm sure you will receive it.
And everyone that I know that has one is very satisfied.
Its a unique system that should hold its value for years longer then a Rpi.
And when 3D drivers are ready...its going to be so cool.
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@smerf
no personal attacks or trolling, please. this is the only warning i'm giving to any posters in this thread. after this it will be moderated posts and/or posting restrictions.
keep it friendly.
-- eliyahu
completely no personal attack or trolling in his post, in contrary to some other posts that immediately need to blame some "usual suspects" for spoiling fun of os4 users and the like.
btw, the thread title is "Question to all Amiga owners" so who would ever expect something particularly os4 related here..
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Quite happy with my A1200, well no USB yet but getting there. :-) Besides more fun trying to fit it all into a wedge.
The only thing about the classic Amiga is the crap browser, otherwise it would be very usable as an everyday computer. Which I'm almost doing, apart from my CF Card problems I've decided to go back to a laptop HDD.
You need a GFX card to enjoy web browsing on classic amiga,AGA is showing its age.
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Quite happy with my A1200, well no USB yet but getting there. :-) Besides more fun trying to fit it all into a wedge.
The only thing about the classic Amiga is the crap browser, otherwise it would be very usable as an everyday computer. Which I'm almost doing, apart from my CF Card problems I've decided to go back to a laptop HDD.
You need to wait that Arthur gets Netsurf compiled http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=68233
I belicve that Arthur would appreciate any help he can get.
I really curios to se how it works. Most important thing would be that I can download stuff with my 68k amigas again. Netsurf is really fast with my Flex, so I would wait it to be useable with 060, maybe even 040
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I've had a Samflex@800 before getting my X1000 and can tell you that my old Samflex struggled while running more intense AGA games or rendering scenes in either Blender or Lightwave so if you want to go for a Sam I'd get the Sam460 /AmigaOne 500 as many users have noted a significant speed increase over the Samflex models.
I haven't test 68k programs much, just some system friendly apps and games. Whit those I have tested petunia is surpricinly fast. So EUEA is almost completely untested by me, some Defender of the crown playing and thats it.
I like to watch some TV-series with it, they are usual avi stuff and not HD, so Sam plays them easily. Net surfing is pleasent experiense, with any browser, even Timberwolf wich biggest flaw is slow startup. All this actually came to me as a surprice, I waited situation be quite much worse. Because there is been much talk how powerless and poor machine 440ep is
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@smerf
no personal attacks or trolling, please. this is the only warning i'm giving to any posters in this thread. after this it will be moderated posts and/or posting restrictions.
keep it friendly.
-- eliyahu
Hi,
@eliyahu,
Who did I personally attack, or what kind of troll did I put out, and in all retrospect just how old are you?
If you have been around Commodore products for a while, then you would know that they did it right when they brought out their first couple of computers by supporting them.
Don't you see the problem with todays hardware hitting the streets, they bring out high priced hardware associated with the Amiga name, but after that there is no support, maybe you like buying hardware with no real programs or software support, but I for one an really getting sick of this history associated with the Amiga name.
This WOW!!! I am now a moderator and I have the power to throw you out because I don't like what you say is just plain loony, so ban me if you want, I really don't care.
If you have noticed here lately, all the real old timers have left for better pastures, and really don't care about Amiga.org that much. I try to help with problems when I see one, and I think all these companies that bring out hardware and no support, are just wasting people's time and money for the Amiga community.
If you don't want experience, and I have been with the Amiga since the very first week it hit the market, and have owned every Amiga model out there, including selling to some big names during the late 80's and also developing commercials with an Amiga 2000, I know the needs for good software support.
Can you tell me your history with the Amiga?
Now that I have attacked you
Bye
Amiga World awaits.
smerf
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@eliyahu:
i think it is really not a proper way to moderate, deleting (clarifying) posts of people like smerf.
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Quite happy with my A1200, well no USB yet but getting there. :-) Besides more fun trying to fit it all into a wedge.
The only thing about the classic Amiga is the crap browser, otherwise it would be very usable as an everyday computer. Which I'm almost doing, apart from my CF Card problems I've decided to go back to a laptop HDD.
Hi,
When you get your USB card for the Amiga 1200, please do this, read the instructions, then wait 15 minutes, read the instructions again, then look closely at your Amiga 1200, then read the instructions again, and then when you think you know what you are doing read the instructions line by line as you do them.
I personally know an idiot that didn't do it, and he burned up his USB card.
OK, I only read the instructions once!!
Can you guess who the idiot was?
smerf
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When I read you had been waiting a year, it made be wonder why you are afraid of being criticised. lol
I don't have a problem with people who want an x1000. But I suggest you will be waiting a long time for software to be ported as well.
A-Eon said they were hoping there was still an Amiga market available. They may decide to only sell the sam460 because not enough people want the x1000.
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Quite happy with my A1200, well no USB yet but getting there. :-) Besides more fun trying to fit it all into a wedge.
The only thing about the classic Amiga is the crap browser, otherwise it would be very usable as an everyday computer. Which I'm almost doing, apart from my CF Card problems I've decided to go back to a laptop HDD.
Hi,
The CF card problem for the Amiga 1200, can't really help you there, I have tried a buffered 4 way ide thingy from amigakit, works well with regular hard drive but not CF. Now the CF works great for the Amiga 4000 with a Buddha card, so maybe instead of going on the cheap like I did with just a buffered ide, maybe a more expensive one would work with the Amiga 1200.
I have 2 CF's plus an ide CDROM working on the Amiga 4000.
Never could get the CF to work with a CDROM on the A1200. Will work by itself as a hard drive, but soon as I ad the CDROM lock up city.
smerf
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When I read you had been waiting a year, it made be wonder why you are afraid of being criticised. lol
I don't have a problem with people who want an x1000. But I suggest you will be waiting a long time for software to be ported as well.
A-Eon said they were hoping there was still an Amiga market available. They may decide to only sell the sam460 because not enough people want the x1000.
incredibly the opposite is true. there is far more demand for X1000 systems than amigakit can handle. every batch gets quickly sold out. the reason X1000 production is stopping is because their supplier for the PA6T processor has doubled their price on a per-part basis, and it's just no longer financially feasible. several hundred have been sold, according to trevor's talk at amiwest last year. it's a great machine. expensive, but a great machine.
the SAM systems are manufactured and developed by acube, not A-EON by the way. :)
-- eliyahu
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@ utri007
No worries about e-uae on even the 440ep soon as Ranji is moving along quite nicely with JIT for UAE which should be a definite boost for all machines but especially the low end ones.
@ eliyahu
i wish you were a mod here alot sooner as I've noticed alot less 'noise' in threads like this :-)
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Hi,
When you get your USB card for the Amiga 1200, please do this, read the instructions, then wait 15 minutes, read the instructions again, then look closely at your Amiga 1200, then read the instructions again, and then when you think you know what you are doing read the instructions line by line as you do them...
smerf
great advice as I've heard from more than one amigan about frying their clock ports when installing their Subway USB's incorrectly.
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LOL.. nice joke.
I've actually owned every Amiga including the A3000T (which on record is the heaviest machine i've owned) but i just have an A4000 which i love, i did have an A4000T CyberstormPPC which I sold to a scientist in Germany they needed the machine for speciality programs on 68k and PPC side.
I've been an Amiga owner since I was 16, i'm now 41.. it's great to see hardware and support for classic Amiga's.. just wish someone would make a realy fast 060 accelerator card.. even the CD32 is missing out.
I owned the tank that was way overweight, aka the 3000T. It was laughable how heavy that thing was. Glad I got rid of it, save many trips to the chiropractor. Great box, but MAN was it heavy. For me the 3000D is the right sized desktop, fits nicely in my desk.
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i was curious how long bbond007 had been on the list
I was never on any list....
Still, it would be nice if an X1000 just showed up :)
wishful thinking I guess :)
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Hi,
@NovaCoder,
The classic scene on the other hand is really showing some interesting signs of life, with new software, new FPGA hardware and even updates to the original OS (eg the amazing new icon.library).
800x600x256 color Workbench using AGA -> icon.library
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What you talkin about NovaCoder?
Am I amissing something here 800x600x256 Workbench using AGA?
smerf
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HI,
@klx300r
How do you like your Amiga one X1000,
How does OS 4.? run on it, I only have a A1200 and it runs awful, it is slow, and the color (not OS 4.1 fault) is really bad, plus I only get half a screen at 640x400 interlaced mode. Wondering how it runs on a faster machine?
How is software availability?
I am not just talking about games, how about word processing, spreadsheets and databasing. Can it run a video toaster, or can it render in 3D. Can I pop in a DVD and watch a movie or put in a digital CD for music.
Can it play any new games out like far cry 3 or Crysis 3. How does it compare to Linux Mint or a Ubuntu based machine.
smerf
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OS4 is hobby OS, so no Far Cry 3 or Crysis 3. Games are open source ports or SDL. Word prosessing is oK, I don't know spreadsheet or databsing. I belive it can't run video toaster, but rendering is possibl with blender and old 68k render programs, like lightwave, Real 3D etc.
AmigaOne x1000 and Sam 460 has a problem, there is no currently fully supportd graphics card for them PCIe, wich means no 3d support, no overlay support, so you can watc DVDs but ther are limitations. Digital music is ok, there is tunet for internet radios etc. and several ways to listen mp3s
Basic tasks like internet browsin, etc works very well
Currently best support is for Radeon 9XXX cards, like Radeon 9250
It is possible to install linux to AmigaOne and run it with Amiga OS4
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What you talkin about NovaCoder?
Am I amissing something here 800x600x256 Workbench using AGA?
no, i think he is talking about fpga arcade, interesting project that alas constantly gets delayed. at least it is claimed to be manufactured just now:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=729535&highlight=fpga+arcade#post729535
http://www.fpgaarcade.com/
there is 060/100/128mb/usb/lan daughterboard developed for it:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=724311
video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ug4_yh3Q288
while at it there is also a discussion about cpu fpga replacement, you visited before, quite fruitful, remains to be seen how fruitful it will actually become. several fpga projects are being worked on without much publicity. and last but not least there is aros68k im testing on my amigas. its not yet an end user capable system, but its progressing.
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Am I amissing something here 800x600x256 Workbench using AGA?
I can run 800x600x16 on my ECS A500 with Indivision (after updating to 1.10 firmware) and the SuperPlus drivers. It works quite well, was messing around with it again last night, but after opening Workbench and DPaint both at that resolution I think I only had about 100KB of chip ram left. ;)
I've seen forum posts that other people are running 1024x768x4 on ECS machines with the HiGFX drivers, haven't tried those yet.
Am almost certain AGA machines can do either resolution with 256 colors and the right drivers, but think there's still some bugs to be worked out of the Indivision for those models. :-/
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@Oldsmobile_Mike
ah, this too. the scsrce chipram is a nightmare. id wish there was a way to swap hidden screens to fast, at least on aros68k..
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I have 2 CF's plus an ide CDROM working on the Amiga 4000.
Never could get the CF to work with a CDROM on the A1200. Will work by itself as a hard drive, but soon as I ad the CDROM lock up city.
smerf
CF cards tend to die on me, have had a 8GB sandisk which worked fine. Had two PFS3 partitions setup on it.
Was playing Full throttle one day, it locked up and when I restarted the CFCard could no longer be detected. Couldn't even get it detected on the PC, 6 month old card ;-)
Have another 2GB card here was working fine, was just FFS. Worked for ages on my A500. Thought meh will try that on the A1200/FastATA. Corruption errors, even when setup with SFS or PFS3. Doesn't appear to matter what settings I set it to when partitioning.
So going back to real laptop HDD at the moment. May get a cheap SSD later on.
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You need a GFX card to enjoy web browsing on classic amiga,AGA is showing its age.
Not really, looks very nice on my IndiAGA2. Just need the webpages to render properly not a big mess of boxes and code ;-)
Don't care about flash/java and the like just need HTML to be supported properly.
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Hi,
When you get your USB card for the Amiga 1200, please do this, read the instructions, then wait 15 minutes, read the instructions again, then look closely at your Amiga 1200, then read the instructions again, and then when you think you know what you are doing read the instructions line by line as you do them.
I personally know an idiot that didn't do it, and he burned up his USB card.
OK, I only read the instructions once!!
Can you guess who the idiot was?
smerf
LOL, I've been there!! I'll make sure to do it when nobody else is around. Focus on the task at hand too.
I think we've all had the case of idiot syndrome. :-/ LOL
@ utri007 Netsurf looks interesting. Sitting on the fence watching!
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@ smerf
I'm really enjoying my X1000 because Update 6 is much more stable now then when I originally bought OS4.1 with my old Samflex a few years back. My main browser at home is Timberwolf on my X1000 and I run all the Firefox add-ons I use on my notebook with no problems since the last update. Youtube videos via HTML5 play but slowly right now as we are waiting for 3d drivers. The upside of the X1000 for me is seeing the development first hand and looking forward to dual core support in AmigaOS:)
for wordprocessing I use AbiWord and for spreadhseets I use GNumeric udner AmiCygnix which is working amazing in a window screen under OS4.1 update 6. These are very modern style office productivity software and are constantly updated (thanks Edgar).
For games I play all all my favourite classic 68k games seamlessly under glUAE and/or RuninUAE (double click icon and play) though I must admit I use my A1000 & A1200 to play my 68 k favourites and save my X1000 for new modern games suhc as those offered by AmiBoing, BOH, KOG, Huno's great games or various ports from the linux world. For graphics/drawing I use either SketchBlock or Gimp.
For 3d modeling Blender works just great (thanks Andy) & even with 1 core working now it's very snappy in layout mode and rendering times are alot faster than my old Samflex (currently I'm running it with Wazp3d while waiting for a full warp3d driver to arrive). Many X1000 owners have got Lightwave v5 working fine natively on OS4 as well, there's a great youtube video by mbrantley showing it in action.
I also dual boot with Linux Debian and it runs quite nicely with all the available Linux apps working great. It's funny that I got my first taste of Linux ever on my old Samflex & now X1000 and although it has everything a new pc has under linux I still can't get myself to stay using Linux for too long as it just feels alien to me.
messing with music I use Audio Evolution, HD-Rec& TuneNet is always on in the background.
on the classic side I'm most excited about building my new GBA1000 and place it next to my original A1000 as I love soldering/hacking hardware :-)
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Hi,
@NovaCoder,
The classic scene on the other hand is really showing some interesting signs of life, with new software, new FPGA hardware and even updates to the original OS (eg the amazing new icon.library).
800x600x256 color Workbench using AGA -> icon.library
=================================================================
What you talkin about NovaCoder?
Am I amissing something here 800x600x256 Workbench using AGA?
smerf
Read all about it here -> 800x600x256 AGA WB (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=727380&highlight=novacoder#post727380)
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800x600x256 color Workbench using AGA -> icon.library (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v51G5mqLlM8&feature=youtu.be)
:)
You can notice how screenmode window is being drawn, that's definitely not fast. Have you tried using less colours?
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Speed is relative my friend, this is fast enough for my 21 year old hardware :)
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wow, that is very fast indeed.