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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: XDelusion on March 10, 2013, 06:33:53 AM
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My friend gave me her old laptop, it's quite the beast, but I don't want Windows on it.
I'm looking for a nice, USER FRIENDLY, GUI driver Linux distro that does not require you to be on-line to install it, and comes with an updated version of Wine.
I'm not to keen on Ubuntu anymore and would like an all in one download solution that I can update on-line when I need to without the OS nagging me during install and what not.
Is there such a thing?
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As far as coming bundled with Wine, that may be tough. I like Mint Debian quite a bit - it's a dressed up Debian distro without all the Ubuntu clone crap. Works a treat.
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I tried Zorin recently. It was fairly easy to get up and running. It comes with XP and Win7 themes and walks you through the setup with clear graphical instructions. Didnt play much with the preconfigured wine as I just use it for Libre office (pre-installed) and a bit of Counterstike/Darwinia through Steam. The Nvidia graphics drivers have come a long way in the past few months...
I gave the laptop away so I can't say I used it extensively, but it did exactly what I needed it to. It also comes with Chrome, Thunderbird and the Ubuntu App Store, although I had to apt-get the firefox installer as the repository was offline at the time.
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I've become a big fan of Pear, it is beautiful, with some Mac like looks.
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Thankx!
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My friend gave me her old laptop, it's quite the beast, but I don't want Windows on it.
I'm looking for a nice, USER FRIENDLY, GUI driver Linux distro that does not require you to be on-line to install it, and comes with an updated version of Wine.
I'm not to keen on Ubuntu anymore and would like an all in one download solution that I can update on-line when I need to without the OS nagging me during install and what not.
Is there such a thing?
Debian Stable. You obviously will need to download the install media, but you can download every program in the repo on 5 DVDs and just run with CDROM repo. It will not have the latest wine, but that is easy enough to obtain and install. The only updates stable gets are security ones. Also, its still on Gnome 2 :)
EDIT: There are some here who would say that USER FRIENDLY and LINUX will never go together...
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Debian Stable. You obviously will need to download the install media, but you can download every program in the repo on 5 DVDs and just run with CDROM repo. It will not have the latest wine, but that is easy enough to obtain and install. The only updates stable gets are security ones. Also, its still on Gnome 2 :)
EDIT: There are some here who would say that USER FRIENDLY and LINUX will never go together...
I don't know if I can even use Debian, isn't that sort of complicated to install?
Also I was trying out Aeros r3.5 (with fingers crossed) hoping it would install, but I kept getting kernel panics. I was told that it will work on any hardware that Debian works on...
I did forget to try ZevenOS though. Gonna download it and Pear now and check into them for the time being.
EDIT: Hold on, ZevenOS is Debian based too... well we'll see. If Debian or something Debian based does run that will suck because I REALLY wanted to try out Aeros. :/
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I don't know if I can even use Debian, isn't that sort of complicated to install?
Also I was trying out Aeros r3.5 (with fingers crossed) hoping it would install, but I kept getting kernel panics. I was told that it will work on any hardware that Debian works on...
I did forget to try ZevenOS though. Gonna download it and Pear now and check into them for the time being.
EDIT: Hold on, ZevenOS is Debian based too... well we'll see. If Debian or something Debian based does run that will suck because I REALLY wanted to try out Aeros. :/
It may have been complicated a while ago, but downloading a live cd and installing it is a pretty straightforward affair these days. I say Debian Stable as it really is rock solid stability wise. I interpreted your question as "Is there a Linux out there that, once installed, will not be a huge PITA during normal operation and requires very little tweaking and what tweaking it might need can be done from a GUI." I've been around the block with all the Debian derivatives, but I get tired of eye candy or the "app store" crap. I much prefer stability and predictability.
Plus, most of those Debian derivatives run unstable or testing. Debian Stable is a different beast.
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I'll check out Debian next. Thus far Ubuntu, ZevenOS, Areos, and Pear all fail to boot on my machine, they are all locking it up.
Haiku installs fine though and boots in 15 seconds...
...sadly not all the hardware is supported by it yet.
Have any of you heard of this?
http://www.longene.org/en/develop.php
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I'll check out Debian next. Thus far Ubuntu, ZevenOS, Areos, and Pear all fail to boot on my machine, they are all locking it up.
Haiku installs fine though and boots in 15 seconds...
...sadly not all the hardware is supported by it yet.
Have any of you heard of this?
http://www.longene.org/en/develop.php
"Please to be installing Most Excellent Backdoored Kernel from the PRC"
lol! I'll pass.
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Lets backup and ask: What brand of laptop and model is it?
This might help in determining what is going on. Haiku installing and Linux not installing is very weird.
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Lets backup and ask: What brand of laptop and model is it?
This might help in determining what is going on. Haiku installing and Linux not installing is very weird.
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"Please to be installing Most Excellent Backdoored Kernel from the PRC"
lol! I'll pass.
That bad hugh? :)
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Lets backup and ask: What brand of laptop and model is it?
This might help in determining what is going on. Haiku installing and Linux not installing is very weird.
Inspiron 1521
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I used vector linux for years, check it out, you can order a cd if you don't want to download a and burn for just a couple bucks. Works great on older, low spec hardware, is slackware based, has great repos and software easy to install with just a couple clicks...
Puppy linux is also a good option for lower spec older hardware. Now? I run mint on my combo workstation/server.
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After an hour of tinkering in BIOS, I'm currently installing Lucid Lynx. It was suggested for my particular model of laptop on a Forum so I figured it would be a safe bet...
...no go. Acted like every other Linux distro, but alas I made some progress. Now that I have all these distros downloaded I guess I'll spend some time and check them each out.
Looks like a lot is based on Debian out there. :)
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I forgot to mention, but almost all linux distros allow uae or euae easily... so you can get your amiga on...
I find my mint workstation/sever although pretty low spec by todays standards (dual core 3.0ghz with 4 gigs ram, 512k nvidia video card and 500gigs internal storage, with a couple terrabyte usb external drives) is all I need for most of my day to day stuff...
I enjoy that computer more than any other I have owned since my amiga 500
back in the day. I have windows programs/games, linux programs/games, dos programs/games, amiga programs/games, c64 programs/games, and several emulated game systems (sega genesis and super nintendo mostly) All running happily together, all on one very customized system.
I once heard it said that linux is the new amiga. I think thats true... Your different, your computer does things the rest can't do, and you can customize it more than windows or mac for sure...
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I don't see any reason why Linux shouldn't run on that laptop. From ArchWiki (wouldn't recommend it for "user friendly", but the kernels are kernels):
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Inspiron_1521
Lucid Lynx is EOL in April. I would try not installing a 3.x kernel and install a 2.6 kernel instead. Most distros should allow you to do this. There should be no reason you are getting kernel panics if Haiku installs...weird.
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I don't see any reason why Linux shouldn't run on that laptop. From ArchWiki (wouldn't recommend it for "user friendly", but the kernels are kernels):
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dell_Inspiron_1521
Lucid Lynx is EOL in April. I would try not installing a 3.x kernel and install a 2.6 kernel instead. Most distros should allow you to do this. There should be no reason you are getting kernel panics if Haiku installs...weird.
Alright, I'll switch distros then. Lucid is light weight, was easy to install, but I'm not swooned by it. On to the next experiment. :)
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I'd go for Mint Linux... anyway a good website is http://distrowatch.com/ has the top whatever linux distros listed and reviews :-)
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I think I like MINT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=uFMMXRoSxnA&feature=fvwp
:)
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Mint is my favorite (see post #2 in this thread IIRC) but make sure you grab the Mint Debian. The other is based on Ubuntu, which IMO only serves to bloat it a little bit.
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I use Crunch Bang. Very lightweight using openbox and thunar. Uses Debian stable and so far, in the 6 months i have been using it, no issues at all.
(http://crunchbang.org/images/screenshot-default-desktop.png)
*not my desktop but taken from the crunch bang site*
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I use Crunch Bang. Very lightweight using openbox and thunar. Uses Debian stable and so far, in the 6 months i have been using it, no issues at all.
That's because its Debian Stable :)
I've used a lot of distros, and if you want no nonsense rock solid stability there is nothing better.
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I have MINT installed (Debian version) and CAN NOT for the life of me see the obvious place to go to upgrade my drivers, let alone detect my internal wireless network device.
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Yeah, that's more than likely going to be in synaptic package manager (or something like that). Your wireless NIC will probably be a proprietary driver which is why it isn't enabled by default.
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I have MINT installed (Debian version) and CAN NOT for the life of me see the obvious place to go to upgrade my drivers, let alone detect my internal wireless network device.
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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Thankx, I'll try that after it gets done taking 5 years to download and install WINE.
I used to take classes for Linux back in the 90's...
Command Line was understandable in those days as Linux was in its early stages...
...at this point, I thought for important things like installing much needed drivers, that the need to be a Linux guru with a vast knowledge of commands were behind us. Guess not.
Also Mint is sluggish next to Haiku or even AROS in Vesa mode, two more strikes against it. Dunno if I'm going to keep this machine. May sell it and just invest in a laptop that will run AROS or I "might" pick up a powerbook for MorphOS as that would REALLY make me a happy camper along side of one of these:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320924766108?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
EDIT: Never mind all, thanks for the advice and help but this OS experience has me PISSED. Not my cup of tea. I've used every OS under the sun quite possibly and when it comes to Linux I ALWAYS end up in a bad mood.
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Try http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=1867
Or here in 17hrs:
http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:12.3?pk_campaign=counter
Edit: I recommend the KDE Live CD of OpenSuse.
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Linux is not for everyone. But it can be made as easy or as hard as needed. Ubuntu and by proxy mint are the easiest because that's what they are aiming to do. Both can have additional drivers loaded into them by using the additional hardware option. Updates roll in at a more regular basis too. And if you are after a more 'windows' experience then it's easy to install kde. Software can be installed via the software installer store or by the apt-get install command from terminal.
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If I were you I'd just install Kubuntu 12.10 and the KDE 4.10.1 backports.
In fact that's what I'm currently running. (Plus a few extra package repositories, the Liquorix kernel and NVidia binaries from their website)
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No, I don't really want the Windows experience, that's why I remove the default start bar from my beloved IcarOS distros. ;)
Don't want a OS X like experience either, I think all in all what I want is Amiga, Aros, MorphOS, and Haiku, so I will sell this hardware, keep working on my DOOM project in Windows, and skip Linux and Wine all together because honestly, it doesn't flow all fluid like, like my above mentioned loved OS'. I'll just bear with Window while I'm editing as that's about all I use Windows for anymore anyhow, well that and video and audio editing, but that's only because those great Linux media tools are not portable to next get Amiga platforms because we lack Widgets and all that other jazz that the main three OS' have easy access to.
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There's always this
http://www.bodhilinux.com/
e17 is unlike anything else..... :)
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There's always this
http://www.bodhilinux.com/
e17 is unlike anything else..... :)
Until Linux can come out with a Desktop distro that makes me forget I'm using Linux, and make me believe I'm running an advanced Amiga OS or Haiku, then I ain't going back.
Likewise installing things such as hardware should be obvious. I remember once I used an Ubuntu disto that automatically popped up and said,"hey man, you need drivers from the maker of that hardware, want me to go get them for you?" And I was like,"sure thing man!".
Of course if I had to do something like, I dunno, goto Nvidia's page, download a package, double click it, hit NEXT NEXT NEXT, maybe reboot, then I'm done? Well I'd settle for that too.
But when I have to memorize, not a few commands here and there like I do with AMiga OS, but have to memorize paragraphs of commands just to get my OS to do the very basics, I.E. use my hardware, well then I'm turned off. And I"m turned off by the fact that it seems to take a while to boot and shut down, it does not run very smooth on low end hardware unless you want to go with that primitive 1994 GUI look, etc. I just don't like it, makes me sick to my stomach, and though it is free of adware and all the corporate B.S., it's still not enough to get me to use it, not even for Wine. Hopefully some day ReactOS matures some more, I'd love to be able to replace Windows for those handful of apps I have no window-less alternatives for, but ya, Linux ain't the answer for me, I hated it when I was learning it in the 90's and I can instantly tell I still hate it.
EDIT: Well if Aeros would actually boot on anything, I'd still love to give that a try.
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I think the best OS sitting on a Linux kernel for you can be found at the first link in my signature. ;)
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I think the best OS sitting on a Linux kernel for you can be found at the first link in my signature. ;)
No doubt, would it not be nice to run Amithlong on modern hardware with Wifi and the whole nine yards?! :)
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No doubt, would it not be nice to run Amithlong on modern hardware with Wifi and the whole nine yards?! :)
Well there is http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/prism2v2
But if you meant that it would be great if Amithlon was still developed I'd wholeheartedly agree. :)
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Well there is http://aminet.net/package/driver/net/prism2v2
But if you meant that it would be great if Amithlon was still developed I'd wholeheartedly agree. :)
Interesting, that or this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/320924766108?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
Then again, my on board chipset is not well liked by Amithlon. I thought since it was running on Linux that it could somehow be updated to support pretty well what ever Linux supports, but I don't understand it all anyhow.
EDIT: Oh ya wait, no one bothered to make USB do anything except support Keyboard and Mouse in Amithlong. Guess that Wifi device would be useless on it, bummer.
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Mint is not meant for a 7 year old laptop, and KDE 4x is certainly not meant for one that old either. Crunch BAng, or Bodhi, running E17 or openbox is more the right speed.
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Mint is not meant for a 7 year old laptop, and KDE 4x is certainly not meant for one that old either. Crunch BAng, or Bodhi, running E17 or openbox is more the right speed.
Oh ya? Hmmm, so much of the Linux community acts like Microsoft and Apple when it comes to resources too hugh? We got em' why not waste em'? :)
O.K. you got my attention. Windows is pissing me off again too. :)
Any of those distros you mentioned make it easy to find out what drivers you need and get them without having to be a Linux guru?
Man I wish AROS fully supported this, I could just drag and drop the required drivers to where I need them. :/
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Crunch bang has a pretty extensive wiki. Plus their user community is friendly. But it comes with enough drivers to get it working on a fresh install. Only things I tend to do is install the nvidia drivers which is shown on their wiki. Also there is a script which runs on first startup that downloads stuff.
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Linux drivers are part of the kernel, usually you don't install them separately.
The main exception to this rule is binary drivers from ATI and Nvidia.
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Mint is not meant for a 7 year old laptop, and KDE 4x is certainly not meant for one that old either. Crunch BAng, or Bodhi, running E17 or openbox is more the right speed.
I run the latest KDE 4.10.1 on a 5yr old 2.5GHz Core2 Duo with 4GB RAM and an Nvidia 8600M GT. It runs very nicely indeed with full compositing etc.
My 11yr old runs the same version on a much older Core2 Duo machine with Intel graphics chip and half the RAM and it works fine there too.
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What drivers do you need in particular? A recent kernel should have drivers for 7yr old hardware built-in.
Can you boot an Ubuntu live CD and type the following in a terminal please.
lspci>pci.txt
lsusb>usb.txt
lshw>hw.txt
Then attach those three files to a post here.
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Oh ya? Hmmm, so much of the Linux community acts like Microsoft and Apple when it comes to resources too hugh? We got em' why not waste em'? :)
Anymore, yes :/ KDE 4.x, Unity, and Gnome 3.x are monuments to this thinking. While Nicholas says he has KDE 4 running on 11 year old hardware just fine, I would not assume that to hold without loss of generality. The simple truth is you will sacrifice some speed for eye candy, and sacrifice some ease (as in "push button change config") of configuration with faster, lighter weight solutions. The integrated distros (crunchbang, linux mint LXDE edition, Lubuntu? So many) that use LXDE, or E17, or Openbox + will run much faster on older hardware, period.
Having SAID that... As commodore john has pointed out, Linux can..er..suck. It is still not windows - and coming from a windows background can be obtuse and confusing as to how they do things. I have never set up a linux that is completely GUI driven for all setup yet. They may be out there - I just don't know of them.
BUT, if you don't mind some googling and a bit of tinkering at first (I mean, c'mon! We are Amiga people in 2013! We are no strangers to obtuse breakages and googling) you can end up with a very stable system.
O.K. you got my attention. Windows is pissing me off again too. :)
Any of those distros you mentioned make it easy to find out what drivers you need and get them without having to be a Linux guru?
Man I wish AROS fully supported this, I could just drag and drop the required drivers to where I need them. :/
Like Nicholas said, mostly all drivers should automagically be found by the kernel during install. From you laptop's era, the couple of things that probably won't be found are wireless card drivers (lots of closed hardware blobs not linuxable right out of the box) and wintel modems. Everything else should be fine, if at least functional. These days, even Nvidia drivers are installed (via the Nouveau driver set). Your laptop has an Intel set if I remember right, so it should have no problems on the display side. I've never run into an install in the last 14 years that wouldn't display.
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Go Into the BIOS and change the hard drive setting.
If it is AHCI change it to IDE
If the mode, under hard drive settings is IDE change
it to AHCI.
I'm pretty sure Linux needs it to be AHCI. Windows XP
needs it set at IDE
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Anymore, yes :/ KDE 4.x, Unity, and Gnome 3.x are monuments to this thinking. While Nicholas says he has KDE 4 running on 11 year old hardware just fine,
Erm, my 11yr old step-daughter has it running on her 7yr old hardware. lol
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It is still not windows - and coming from a windows background can be obtuse and confusing as to how they do things.
I've never understood the thinking of those that want UNIX to be like Windows. If you want Windows use Windows. Simples! :)
Like Nicholas said, mostly all drivers should automagically be found by the kernel during install. From you laptop's era, the couple of things that probably won't be found are wireless card drivers (lots of closed hardware blobs not linuxable right out of the box) and wintel modems. Everything else should be fine, if at least functional. These days, even Nvidia drivers are installed (via the Nouveau driver set). Your laptop has an Intel set if I remember right, so it should have no problems on the display side. I've never run into an install in the last 14 years that wouldn't display.
Perhaps his laptop has the dreaded Poulsbo chipset? Was that chipset even around 7yrs ago?
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Erm, my 11yr old step-daughter has it running on her 7yr old hardware. lol
Oh! That makes more sense :lol:
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Oh man!I almost fell in love with Crunch Bang! It almost felt worthy of my use, till I could not find WINE in the Package repository, and when I try to install ANY browser, it always fails in the end.
On a positive note, my wireless was ready to go straight off the bat.
Cuss cuss cuss!!! :/
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Oh man!I almost fell in love with Crunch Bang! It almost felt worthy of my use, till I could not find WINE in the Package repository, and when I try to install ANY browser, it always fails in the end.
On a positive note, my wireless was ready to go straight off the bat.
Cuss cuss cuss!!! :/
http://wiki.winehq.org/GitWine ;)
Plus, iceweasel should be installed by default. (that is firefox without the branding)
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Figures.
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Cool, now my mouse keeps going in and out randomly, but only since I have been using this distro. Odd. Well No GIT for me, gotta find GIT now, prolly gotta compile it, bet it will say,"oh, you are lacking dependencies" or some crap.
Man I'm starting to hate this again already.
EDIT: Strange, now Wine is showing up under the package manager. WTF?!?!
Well aside of my mouse no longer working, things are starting to look promising again, I'll keep trying till I'm ready to throw this laptop against the wall.
EDIT: WOW, just installed Wine, typed WINE, it says it's WINE 64 and it's here to tell me to get WINE 32 and it will delete itself in only I type these damned APT-GET commands that don't work anyhow.
GRRRRR...
Ya man, screw this! I want my Amiga!!!!
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"Until Linux can come out with a Desktop distro that makes me forget I'm using Linux, and make me believe I'm running an advanced Amiga OS or Haiku, then I ain't going back."
Your missing the point. The point of any Gnu/linux operating system IS total freedom. You can make it look and work like mac, windows, linux, amiga, haiku, or anything else you can imagine, but that of course requires some planning, time, and alot of tweaking many don't want to do.
Look at this screenshot of my linux desktop :
http://www.subcultureproductions.com/scrshot.jpg
From a clean mint xfce install, takes me perhaps 8 or 10 hours to set up the system to my liking. You can see an amiga style ramdisk, Linux boot drive icon, work drive icon, windows drive partition icon, dos drive icon, amiga drive icon, os2 drive icon, even atari st drive icon, and more. There are also drive icons for my mp3 and sound samples partitions. (I do audio work)
On the top bar are my most commonly used apps and links to stuff, On the right side bar is my most commonly traveled internet sites (1 click beats typing)
I use linux programs but also wine, dosbox, UAE, atari st emulator,c64 emulator, and more.
I CAN forget I'm using linux because I'm not just using linux, I'm also using amiga, dos, windows, atari, c64, os2 programs and more.
Most people are too lazy to set up the system. Trust me. Its SO worth it!
Now I have my current system cloneable, so I can install my already set up system on any other pc. I LOVE it.
Steven
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Actually after I posted I realized it took me a bit more than 8 or 10 hours to set up my system... Perhaps 20 or 30 over a few weeks, setup a few things a day while doing other things until its as you like it. Still worth the time if you ask me. I have thousands of amiga games, and programs and demos, thousands of dos games and programs, thousands of windows games and programs and more...
Now I'm working on adding icons for many things in folders so its all point and click from launchers... Including hundreds of sega genesis games, super nintendo games and more.
Since this screenshot, I added a "toolbox" icon with drawers full of program launchers for audio, video, programming, graphics and office apps.
Linux is awesome, but you do need to put some time in to design the computer system of your dreams. Still, its possible to create your very own "VERY PERSONAL" computer.
Easy to get overwhelmed with the task, I just do a bit each day while mostly just using the computer. I have 5 in progress things going on the computer at a time usually, but eventually the stuff gets done and set up.
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Puppy linux is also a good option for lower spec older hardware. Now? I run mint on my combo workstation/server.
Puppy Linux feels like a slow msdos machine running a crap GUI written in pascal. Running GadTools apps from a floppy disk is a much more enjoyable experience.
Slow response times are general in mainstream OSes like OSX, Windows or Linux.
I still don't know why Linux based OSes are so crap and require recompiling everything. Take as an example Android devices. Updating the OS should be as simple as "here's my devices/ directory, read drivers from here. Here's my L/ directory, read filesystems from here. Now, update the rest of OS". Linux works like a monolithic design from the 70s despite the efforts to modernize it most of developers seem to think that desktop users are un-important.
Desktop developers don't understand the meaning of fast response and prefer to emulate all the crap invented by Microsoft&Apple in a strange love&hate relationship.
Linux users that claim it to be fast sound like those amiga users with poor standard 1200, who set them to productivity modes in 256 colours, load birdie, use glowicons everywhere, fill everything with horrible textures and later brag about the poor 1200 being faster than peecees (in their imagination probably)!!! (if my sarcastic comment is not enough clear for some of those a1200 users I'll explain that if you notice how the gui is written then it's not fast, it may be fast compared to your peecee swapping to hd when it struggles to show the background but it's still no fast. OCS and hi-res with 8-16 colours isn't fast either)
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Did I mention I use Ken's icons on my KDE setup? :)
http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/?content=118574
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You want your Linux experience to be like that of Amiga OS 3.x where you have to do everything manually? Then you need http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/ (http://ww.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/)
You want it to be like Windows? Can't help you.
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Don't get me wrong HayWire, there is a lot to be respected about Linux, I like the ad free software and such, the secure browsing, and the fact that it is not controlled by a corporate entity, but alas...
I'm not one of those guys who just wants a nice GUI based system where all the software is pre-compiled, and I can pretty much just drag and drop drivers where ever I need them etc. Amiga and BeOS spoiled me I guess you could say. I took classes on Linux years ago, but every class I felt like not showing up again and really only did so because I got along so well with everyone else in the class, but ya, I did not like the learning curve that was required for that kind of freedom, so I'll settle with the Freedom that Amiga OS, MorphOS, AROS, and Haiku provide also.
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Don't get me wrong HayWire, there is a lot to be respected about Linux, I like the ad free software and such, the secure browsing, and the fact that it is not controlled by a corporate entity, but alas...
I'm not one of those guys who just wants a nice GUI based system where all the software is pre-compiled, and I can pretty much just drag and drop drivers where ever I need them etc. Amiga and BeOS spoiled me I guess you could say. I took classes on Linux years ago, but every class I felt like not showing up again and really only did so because I got along so well with everyone else in the class, but ya, I did not like the learning curve that was required for that kind of freedom, so I'll settle with the Freedom that Amiga OS, MorphOS, AROS, and Haiku provide also.
Command line Haiku is pretty much identical to Linux so if you get comfortable with it on Haiku then Linux will become much easier for you.
BTW: If you are interested I ported the command line Amiga module player/emulator to Haiku a few weeks back.
http://ports.haiku-files.org/ticket/695
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Command line Haiku is pretty much identical to Linux so if you get comfortable with it on Haiku then Linux will become much easier for you.
BTW: If you are interested I ported the command line Amiga module player/emulator to Haiku a few weeks back.
http://ports.haiku-files.org/ticket/695
First off, COOL MAN! I didn't realize you coded, didn't realize you were a Haiku user either! :)
Secondly, I don't mind a little command line here and there, I've used it plenty under all the Amiga OS flavors as well as on Haiku. I find it enjoyable for basic needs like launching a game of Odamex with a special file attached. Or better yet, I like creating scripts for my Amiga Icons to launch pWADs and such for Odamex or what have you.
What I hate is when my system isn't working quite right and I have to fully depend upon a crap load of command line entries in order to work things out, and I hate it even more when I get strange and elusive error messages that only the seasoned Linux user understands. That is when for me, Linux ceases to be fun.
Others may like that depth of control and I think it is a nice option, but to be something that is still mandatory, that is annoying to me.
Another thing that makes Linux confusing is all the distributions, built upon this kernel and that, this GUI and that, so on and so on. It's like there is no standard...
Long live Haiku! I can't wait to see how things go after 1.0 hits the net!
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Long live Haiku! I can't wait to see how things go after 1.0 hits the net!
IF 1.0 hits :)
I like Haiku as well, but it is taking its sweet time to get here. Also, while I love tinkering with it on my P4, it needs to get going on the 64 bit bandwagon. Who knows, tho - its really a great time for OSes.
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My tutor at college told me to love the command line and always to love the command line. And to this day I install everything via command line lol. There is rarely a day goes by I am not using SUDO for something. Usually along the lines of sudo apt-get install lol.
I am sad that Crunch Bang didn't work out for you :( I would be interested to know more about what went wrong for you. Also did you use the official stable release or did you grab the testing waldorf release?
Waldorf did have loads of bugs when I used it but thats the nature of testing releases.
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oops looks like Waldorf was promoted to default download. While it's stable(ish) it's running Debian Wheezy which is debian testing. You will need Statler which is the stable release and prefferably with BPO (backports) which contains newer stable software.
http://crunchbang.org/download/statler
But then again given your previous attempts with Linux you might not want to go near another Linux box again lol. Also on a side note the new Fedora release has come out. This is another Debian based system but uses Gnome 3 or KDE. I put it on a friends netbook and it liked it.
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I gave up on Linux in 2009: wasted far too much of my life trying to get far too many simple things to work. Initially I liked the learning, but after 3 years I said F this and moved on to Win 7.
As it happens I just resurrected a Presario 2100 for a friend's kid with bits and pieces from the local council e-waste dumpsters:
Upped the ram to 1 gig,
found a 160 gig hard drive 7200 rpm amongst the rubble,
added a wireless card form another dead laptop,
it had a Win XP Home license so I just used my copy of XP Home SP3, everyhting but the ATI display driver worked, 5 minutes on HP's website and I had the ATI driver installed
found some Win Media player codes to enable DVD playback
installed PC Tools Free antivirus.
2 hours of my time and everything works
Can't see myself installing Linux again TBH.
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Linux isn't complicated once you get past some of the hurdles such as driver support. I often find it easier to preform minor to every day computer tasks in linux than I do in Windows these days. Even Major to complex tasks I can do relativity easier. Such as monitoring and maintaining networked systems and external drives.
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IF 1.0 hits :)
I like Haiku as well, but it is taking its sweet time to get here. Also, while I love tinkering with it on my P4, it needs to get going on the 64 bit bandwagon. Who knows, tho - its really a great time for OSes.
Et voila! :)
http://haiku-files.org/unsupported-builds/x86_64/
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First off, COOL MAN! I didn't realize you coded, didn't realize you were a Haiku user either! :)
Secondly, I don't mind a little command line here and there, I've used it plenty under all the Amiga OS flavors as well as on Haiku. I find it enjoyable for basic needs like launching a game of Odamex with a special file attached. Or better yet, I like creating scripts for my Amiga Icons to launch pWADs and such for Odamex or what have you.
What I hate is when my system isn't working quite right and I have to fully depend upon a crap load of command line entries in order to work things out, and I hate it even more when I get strange and elusive error messages that only the seasoned Linux user understands. That is when for me, Linux ceases to be fun.
Others may like that depth of control and I think it is a nice option, but to be something that is still mandatory, that is annoying to me.
Another thing that makes Linux confusing is all the distributions, built upon this kernel and that, this GUI and that, so on and so on. It's like there is no standard...
Long live Haiku! I can't wait to see how things go after 1.0 hits the net!
There is nothing inherently complicated about UNIX, it's actually quite simple, it's just different to what you already know that's all.
I've been using it since the mid-90's so it's what I'm most familiar with.
The best UNIX for ex-Windows users is probably OSX, closely followed by Android. :)
Edit: Try this Linux distro http://code.google.com/p/android-x86/downloads/detail?name=android-x86-4.2-20130228.iso&can=2&q=
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The great thing about Linux is that it will usually run on old computers, find a P4 in the dumpster? Windows 7 or 8? Fuhgettaboutit! Linux will just hum along on it....
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Also on a side note the new Fedora release has come out. This is another Debian based system but uses Gnome 3 or KDE. I put it on a friends netbook and it liked it.
Fedora - Debian based? Er...
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This thread is piled deep with hilarity.
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Fedora - Debian based? Er...
Forgiveth me I did mean red hat. A 14 hour shift does make one a bit dopy.:laugh1:
This thread is piled deep with hilarity.
How so?
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The best UNIX for ex-Windows users is probably OSX, closely followed by Android. :)
Oh Lord, please don't think of me as an Ex-Windows user. Think of me as an Atari DOS user, an Amiga user, MorphOS user, Haiku user, and well ya, even a little DOS and Windows, though I am not proud of my Windows use, I consider it a vice I must bear with till my other OS' are able to get tools that do what I need such as editing DOOM and being able to edit any audio or video file to what ever extent I desire.
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Oh Lord, please don't think of me as an Ex-Windows user. Think of me as an Atari DOS user, an Amiga user, MorphOS user, Haiku user, and well ya, even a little DOS and Windows, though I am not proud of my Windows use, I consider it a vice I must bear with till my other OS' are able to get tools that do what I need such as editing DOOM and being able to edit any audio or video file to what ever extent I desire.
Have you seen this?
http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/
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Or this?
http://ubuntustudio.org/tour/
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Or this even?
http://www.dynebolic.org/
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The h-node project aims at the construction of a hardware database in order to identify what devices work with a fully free operating system (http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html).
http://h-node.org/hardware/catalogue/en
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Something nice from the Dynebolic FAQ I thought I'd share. It made me ponder for a few moments and then I uninstalled the proprietary Nvidia driver. 100% Free software now. (Unless you count my miggies and the dirty OSX partition with Logic Pro 9!)
It doesn't works on my computer! some cards are not found...
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A big difference between dyne:bolic and other popular operating systems around is that we adopt only 100% free software, which means our system is free from proprietary software.
The result is that we can provide support for less hardware cards (video, network, wireless and such): just those working transparently, following a well documented protocol and running free and open source drivers that make it clear to everyone what the device is doing.
It is frustrating on the short term to have such a limited hardware support, but we think is worth on the long term because it gives everyone the freedom to study, adapt and modify software and hardware and to clearly know what is happening inside our machines.
* Why freedom is better on the long term? To explain why this is important, let us propose you an example in a different context, that of food production: many farmers in the World have been told by the global mega-corporations that by buying and using their proprietary chemicals and seeds their farms would be more productive.
The result of this corporate fraud is that farmers become dependent from foreign and proprietary chemicals and seeds: they are often genetically modified so that plants won't produce more seeds, plus they are protected by patents so that farmers themselves cannot study, adapt and redistribute the technology they are using.
It even gets worst, since these proprietary and globalised products cannot be appropriate to the contexts they are used: not even the promise of productivity is maintained and the soil gets poisoned by the ignorance and inability of the mega-corporations that will never be able to supply very different needs around the world.
Now, back to your computer :^) think of how important is the technology you use to build your social interaction online, your digital productions and audio/video creations.
As the importance of this technology grows in your life, so it grows the power of the mega-corporations which are acting unethically by locking you out of your own device, denying your freedom to study, modify, adapt and redistribute all what you use.
On the long term you will find yourself depending from these technologies and being limited by them, you will not be able to evolve and use your knowledge and skills at their full potential.
You'll be a mental slave trained to say yes to license agreements progressively corroding your rights and interacting with prefabricated interfaces which will limit your freedom and squeeze out your time and money while doing that.
That's why we consciously eliminate support for the hardware that closes you up in such traps.
For instance if you are a digital artist, using dyne:bolic or other 100% free operating systems you can be sure that your creations can be preserved in time, without being held hostage of proprietary technologies needed to reproduce them.
* Ok! so you think you're smart, hu? what should I do then?!
Next time you buy technology, think twice and choose wisely! here is a useful initiative you can visit to find out which hardware is well supported by free software: [http://www.h-node.com] Liberate yourself from mental slavery!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFGgbT_VasI ;)
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I'm aware of the various Linux Media Distros. Problem is, they are Linux ha ha ha!
Speaking of Linux and the fact that I am prone to change my mind a great many times before I make it up sometimes...
...well certain things I'm just very set on, but well....
I got Aeros to boot finally! Re-downloaded it and it burns fine, boots fine and runs fine, though again I gotta get through the drivers issue a bit as it does not come with drivers for my Wireless and what ever else I have yet to discover.
So far what I'm experiencing though, this is pretty interesting. Linux, with Wine, with an Amiga interface. I've love to see more energy pumped into projects like this!
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Has anyone had the problem of leaving their hard drive setting in the bios to IDE instead of AHCI? The install just stops or doesn't recognise the hard drive.
I use Linux Mint with KDE or MATE interface (they are quite similar). Even if you hate Linux I recommend you try it. Under Wine you can play any Open GL game, but I think the Direct X port is stalled.
AROS can't do enough yet to be used as a primary operating system. :(
If there is a Linux you like I recommend persevering with it. The reason it doesn't install may be really trivial. Perhaps you should try the oldest distro first.
You don't even have to use a CLI most of it is GUI driven in KDE and MATE.
It took me about an hour to figure out how to use the preferences and configs under GUI.
As opposed to a few years ago when I would constantly be online looking for the right command to install something.
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I did try AEROS once upon a time. Found it to be a good comprimise.
Also ElPolloDiabl I have had no issues with the HDD settings and installing Linux.
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On a related note: http://h-online.com/open/news/item/LXLE-extends-life-of-ageing-computers-1824111.html?from-classic=1
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Why does nearly every Linux distro have an old Win 95 Start Bar?
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Why does nearly every Linux distro have an old Win 95 Start Bar?
Erm, the most popular ones don't.
Ones designed for ****ty old hardware seem to go for that in a lot of cases though.
Mind you, I see no difference between the Windows start menu/bar and the BeOS/Haiku Deskbar.
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Mind you, I see no difference between the Windows start menu/bar and the BeOS/Haiku Deskbar.
I do mind damnit!!! :)
I dunno... when did BeOS start using that app menu? BeOS began in 91, Windows 95 came out in 95, so I'm not sure which came first.
Either way, the BeOS app menu sits default in the upper right hand corner of the screen. While it functions somewhat like the Windows 95 Start Bar, it seems far more practical in my eyes and certainly more configurable.
For instance, back in the day BeOS had themes so you could change it so that the folders functioned less like BeOS folders and more like Amiga folders, or there was a Mac theme, or a Windows theme, and to compliment that Windows theme you could drag the app bar down the bottom of the screen to look and pretty much act like a Windows Start Bar, or you could drag it to the top for a more Amiga/Mac type use. I rather liked it, it felt far less cumbersome than the Windows Start bar.
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I wouldn't touch a distro pushing a stupid pushup start menu. It's really only the distros that lack imagination that have one.
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I wouldn't touch a distro pushing a stupid pushup start menu. It's really only the distros that lack imagination that have one.
A lot of Linux guys seems to fall in that category. Present party excluded cause they also have a lot for the more artistic and experimental OS's. :)
Said Linux distros are trying to hard to appeal to the Windows crowd. If you want to appeal to the Windows crowd you need to write an OS that not only has a Start Bar, but also invades your privacy, must remind you often that it is busy thinking, and...
...well just don't work quite as stable as a Linux environment.
OK, to say something positive about Windows that I can't say about Linux, at least I can "generally" install my drivers without issues "generally". Likewise, if I want to run something all I have to do is download it and install it, I don't have to download "X" amount of Mb worth of dependencies just to make it work, which sometimes becomes the case with Linux. Too many dependencies, too many files that need constantly updated and this and that. At least that was my experience when I used to keep it around all the time. Maybe with AEROS I will not have to worry about that crap as much cause I just want to set up WINE and I am using AROS as my GUI instead of some Start Bar based KDE variant or what ever.
Of course again, the down side to Windows is it sucks. It is boring to use, and the history behind the success of the company behind it relies heavily upon the shattered dreams of others.
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I've become a big fan of Pear, it is beautiful, with some Mac like looks.
Don't they use that on iCarly?
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Don't they use that on iCarly?
Freaking iCarly! Ha, too funny!
Have you ever noticed how Linux users tend to watch iCarly? Especially the over 35 variety? :)
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A lot of Linux guys seems to fall in that category. Present party excluded cause they also have a lot for the more artistic and experimental OS's. :)
Said Linux distros are trying to hard to appeal to the Windows crowd. If you want to appeal to the Windows crowd you need to write an OS that not only has a Start Bar, but also invades your privacy, must remind you often that it is busy thinking, and...
...well just don't work quite as stable as a Linux environment.
Sounds like the latest Ubuntu lol. If you look back over recent years there has been a massive push to make the whole experience more user friendly. And yes it is to attract more of the Windows users that just want things to work. More and more generic drivers, which a lot of major manufacturers use in their products, are built into the kernel. I remember when wifi was still a new tech how much of a pain in the arse it was to get USB dongles to work. Now most work straight out of the box because they all use generic chipsets. Same applies to webcams, sound cards and a whole host of stuff. (On a side note I also remember when the do it yourself ADSL kits, 512kbs, came out in the UK and the sodding modem would not work with my rig at the time and I had to wait till I could get my old V92 modem back to download a random hack to make it work. Even then it was hit and miss. :anger:)
OK, to say something positive about Windows that I can't say about Linux, at least I can "generally" install my drivers without issues "generally". Likewise, if I want to run something all I have to do is download it and install it, I don't have to download "X" amount of Mb worth of dependencies just to make it work, which sometimes becomes the case with Linux. Too many dependencies, too many files that need constantly updated and this and that. At least that was my experience when I used to keep it around all the time. Maybe with AEROS I will not have to worry about that crap as much cause I just want to set up WINE and I am using AROS as my GUI instead of some Start Bar based KDE variant or what ever.
Again drivers for most generic chipsets are built into modern kernels. I have run into very few items that I have needed specific drivers for except my Nvidia card. But in Ubuntu there is a dialog that opens wich downloads a choice of stable or testing drivers. Also in Ubuntu there is a pack of stuff called restricted extras which you can dowload that adds more support. It's got a set of goodies that doesn't exactly fall into the realm of open source so it can't be given as standard with Ubuntu, though other distributions tend to stick them in anyway.
As for dependencies then the package manager should resolve dependency issues for you automatically. If your trying to compile source yourself then yes you need to be aware of the dependencies more. But it's like any new install of any new OS it takes time to get things up and running. Windows will generally need to download c++ or .NET libraries in order to get games to run or certain bits of software. Once the dependencies are there then you no longer need to worry. Most share common dependencies so it's all good. And if the dependencies aren't needed after software removal then the package manager will even handle that for you.
And really most Linux distros come with the KDE/Gnome setup because they are the popular ones. But there are some great window managers out there and I don't use KDE or Gnome these days.
Of course again, the down side to Windows is it sucks. It is boring to use, and the history behind the success of the company behind it relies heavily upon the shattered dreams of others.
Can't argue with you there lol. but Windows is a bit of a nessesary evil if your into gaming. Until Valve get their act together and get more developers onto Linux we are going to be stuck. Since Steam went public on Linux more games have started to turn up.
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On a side note I also remember when the do it yourself ADSL kits, 512kbs, came out in the UK and the sodding modem would not work with my rig at the time and I had to wait till I could get my old V92 modem back to download a random hack to make it work. Even then it was hit and miss. )
I remember my first linux box, it was built from parts all specifically chosen because there were linux support or drivers for each part. I think the first linux I ran was red-hat 3.0 or maybe it was even 2.0?
People bitch about aros needing certain sound, network or video cards and not enough drivers, but linux was exactly like that once upon a time.
Most stuff in linux works right out of the box, but some freeware purists distros (Like dynebolic) don't include proprietary drivers, which means alot of hardware won't work. If your okay with closed source drivers most computers can run linux happily now.
I will use proprietary or closed source drivers, because honestly you just have to sometimes, which sucks. BUT I do agree with Linus Torvalds when he said "**** YOU NIVIDIA."
:)
Steven
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Free Software distros (Like dynebolic) don't include proprietary drivers
Fixed that for you.
Freeware!==Free
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What about installing OS4(.1) http://www.os4online.com ??? :D
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I sure am glad OS 4 looks like Windows at that! ;)
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Well, i was really surprised how fast this package is compared to standard ubuntu distros.
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So.... there are said to be open source Radeon drivers that come with pretty much ever Linux distro now a days?
How come everything loads so slowly then? How come the screen refreshes slowly? I thought I was missing the video drivers, but I guess they were installed all along. Either Linux blows hard core, or this laptop was just a way over rated flop by Dell.
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So.... there are said to be open source Radeon drivers that come with pretty much ever Linux distro now a days?
How come everything loads so slowly then? How come the screen refreshes slowly? I thought I was missing the video drivers, but I guess they were installed all along. Either Linux blows hard core, or this laptop was just a way over rated flop by Dell.
Sounds like you are running in vesa mode rather than using the Radeon driver.
What OS are you running?
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Sounds like you are running in vesa mode rather than using the Radeon driver.
What OS are you running?
This experience is with nearly ever Linux distro mentioned here. Ubuntu included.
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This experience is with nearly ever Linux distro mentioned here. Ubuntu included.
What version of Ubuntu and what model number of Radeon?
Did you check the Supported Hardware list before you installed the OS?
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What version of Ubuntu and what model number of Radeon?
Did you check the Supported Hardware list before you installed the OS?
Latest Ubuntu
Radeon X1200
No, I'm not installing Amithlon
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Latest Ubuntu
Radeon X1200
No, I'm not installing Amithlon
OK, you need to open the software sources app (I forget it's name as I use KDE) from the gui or just type 'sudo software-properties-gtk' without the quotes into a terminal window and press enter.
Click the right-most tab 'Drivers' and install the driver for your Radeon from there.
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I gave up on Linux in 2009: wasted far too much of my life trying to get far too many simple things to work. Initially I liked the learning, but after 3 years I said F this and moved on to Win 7.
As it happens I just resurrected a Presario 2100 for a friend's kid with bits and pieces from the local council e-waste dumpsters:
Upped the ram to 1 gig,
found a 160 gig hard drive 7200 rpm amongst the rubble,
added a wireless card form another dead laptop,
it had a Win XP Home license so I just used my copy of XP Home SP3, everyhting but the ATI display driver worked, 5 minutes on HP's website and I had the ATI driver installed
found some Win Media player codes to enable DVD playback
installed PC Tools Free antivirus.
2 hours of my time and everything works
Can't see myself installing Linux again TBH.
It really makes my heart sink when i read things like your post.
Linux has come a long way in the past few years. For the record I gave up on windows ~2001 why ? at the time it felt more like amigaOS than windows , having a proper command line and a great community of developers. Open Source (in my mind) was very much like the PD community i loved on the amiga. My understanding of Open Source, the ethical and political implications of it have long since changed now as i understand it more!
I've been using Linux day to day. When i purchase a new computer / hardware - I ALWAYS ensure that the hardware I buy is supported by linux - that goes for laptops. USB devices , printers etc. Since i took that small effort to be careful I have found that Linux "just works(tm)". I put the install media in and 10mins later i have everything working . I dont really need Antivirus , and i dont have to reformat and re-install every six months to keep things running smoothly.
I dont have to scour the net for outdated drivers or cranky 3rd party apps that dont work properly as everything is built right in to the linux kernel or userspace tools. Compare that to the brand new Mac Mini on my desk (currently switched off). I plug my USB MidiSport interface in and the mac wont recognise it - i would download drivers if i could but their are none that work with Mountain Lion.
Similar situation with a pro-end USB audio interface I have. Dont even get me started on the USB keyboard and mouse. Its the same situation with windows although for the most parts its easier to find and download drivers. This dissappointed me about the Mac - i expected it to me more like linux in this regard. I've come to expect it of windows and nothing changes here in this regard.
Two points
1) dont purchase hardware for any operating system without checking its well supported first.
2) you stand a much better chance of having old hardware working on an open source operating system than a brand new one.
you wouldnt admit to buying software / hardware for other platforms without checking first would you?
Nick
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Just an afterthought - I actually bought the Mac Mini to become my music studio PC - and have found that im preferring to use Renoise on ubuntu! With "Bitwig" studio on the horizon http://www.bitwig.com/bitwig-studio (Ableton killer!) i dont think its going to get any use in that department!
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It appears that AMD have abandoned all driver support for the X1200 card (For Windows and Linux) so the proprietary driver for it will not work on any version of Xorg past 1.5 which means you'll need to install an OS that has that particular ancient version of X if you want to use AMD's driver (Such as Ubuntu 8.04).
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04.4/release/
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It appears that AMD have abandoned all driver support for the X1200 card (For Windows and Linux) so the proprietary driver for it will not work on any version of Xorg past 1.5 which means you'll need to install an OS that has that particular ancient version of X if you want to use AMD's driver (Such as Ubuntu 8.04).
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/8.04.4/release/
What a bunch of crap! Grrrr.... :/
Thanks for the heads up!
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What a bunch of crap! Grrrr.... :/
Thanks for the heads up!
I'm wondering whether your laptop would work as a Hackintosh?
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I'm wondering whether your laptop would work as a Hackintosh?
Good God! Why would I want to do that?!?!? :)
I'm waiting on the Linux distro that allows you to emulate 68k Amiga and use it as the GUI giving access to Linux and Wine, etc.
It's coming, it's coming! ;)
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Good God! Why would I want to do that?!?!? :)
There is only one reason and that is for Logic Pro. :)
I'm waiting on the Linux distro that allows you to emulate 68k Amiga and use it as the GUI giving access to Linux and Wine, etc.
It's coming, it's coming! ;)
Yeah but AEROS won't work on your laptop because it uses a recent version of Xorg. :/
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There is only one reason and that is for Logic Pro. :)
Yeah but AEROS won't work on your laptop because it uses a recent version of Xorg. :/
Hmmm... actually OctaMED S.S. and all my hardware does the job, I don't need Logic Pro (as cool as it may be). As for this Laptop, I may well leave Winblows on it and sell it in order to buy one that gives me less grief.
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Hmmm... actually OctaMED S.S. and all my hardware does the job, I don't need Logic Pro (as cool as it may be). As for this Laptop, I may well leave Winblows on it and sell it in order to buy one that gives me less grief.
Intel and Nvidia GPUs are your safest bet for Linux support.
On a side note, have you ever tried FL Studio? It runs
great on Linux with the WineASIO drivers and a realtime kernel.
I made a drumstep tune with it last year to get a feel for it and I really liked it. Not used it since though.
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Intel and Nvidia GPUs are your safest bet for Linux support.
On a side note, have you ever tried FL Studio? It runs
great on Linux with the WineASIO drivers and a realtime kernel.
I made a drumstep tune with it last year to get a feel for it and I really liked it. Not used it since though.
I have, it's a pretty nifty program, but again, I prefer to compose on my Amiga via OctaMED S.S., MIDI, and real hardware.
Here's what I've got:
Kaossilator I, Kaos Pad 3, MicroKorg, Tascam DR-07, Akai XR-20 Drum Machine, ART Tube MP Microphone Preamp (Model 127), Mic with Mic Stand, and a few other odds and ends like a lap harp and such. Oh, and let's not forget the A1200 with 80Mhz 060! ;)
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I have, it's a pretty nifty program, but again, I prefer to compose on my Amiga via OctaMED S.S., MIDI, and real hardware.
Here's what I've got:
Kaossilator I, Kaos Pad 3, MicroKorg, Tascam DR-07, Akai XR-20 Drum Machine, ART Tube MP Microphone Preamp (Model 127), Mic with Mic Stand, and a few other odds and ends like a lap harp and such. Oh, and let's not forget the A1200 with 80Mhz 060! ;)
Phwoar!! :)
I'm 100% software based these days (Apart from my Yamaha KX-25 controller keyboard).
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Phwoar!! :)
I'm 100% software based these days (Apart from my Yamaha KX-25 controller keyboard).
I think that's generally how it goes...
Those of us who started off software based, tend to end up with hardware, and those who began with hardware, end up leaning towards software in the end. :)
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I have, it's a pretty nifty program, but again, I prefer to compose on my Amiga via OctaMED S.S., MIDI, and real hardware.
Here's what I've got:
Kaossilator I, Kaos Pad 3, MicroKorg, Tascam DR-07, Akai XR-20 Drum Machine, ART Tube MP Microphone Preamp (Model 127), Mic with Mic Stand, and a few other odds and ends like a lap harp and such. Oh, and let's not forget the A1200 with 80Mhz 060! ;)
Have you ever tried Renoise ? its like Octamed on some serious steroids - cross platform too (Linux / Windows / OSX) Really short learning curve too - the majority of the key mappings are the same as Octamed.
http://www.renoise.com/
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Have you ever tried Renoise ? its like Octamed on some serious steroids - cross platform too (Linux / Windows / OSX) Really short learning curve too - the majority of the key mappings are the same as Octamed.
http://www.renoise.com/
I have, it's REALLY cool!!! I just wish it was for AROS or MorphOS.
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Should I be sticking with 32bit distros or 64bit?
My CPU's of course are 64bit.
Yes, I can't believe I'm still dabbling with this stuff after I have said numerous times in this thread that I'm fed up. ;)
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Should I be sticking with 32bit distros or 64bit?
My CPU's of course are 64bit.
Yes, I can't believe I'm still dabbling with this stuff after I have said numerous times in this thread that I'm fed up. ;)
How much RAM have you got?
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How much RAM have you got?
8Gb Yo!
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8Gb Yo!
64-bit.